OldJeff

Seriously.........If you have trouble making the minimum payouts for any program, GTFO of the biz and go get a Mc Job, you are somply not cut out for this, and pretty much just annoy the shit out of people that know how to and are making money

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I can see how that is a problem if you send out to 300 different programs.

I send the most of my stuff to CCBill Solo Girl sites - I am still a solo girl guy. I always meet the minimum requirements. So I'm good. The rest... I don't worry about too much.

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Ferus

If you have trouble making the minimum payouts for any program, it's your own fault - period!

Not your host, the program, the biller, the surfer, the time of the year, the suns position or tubes.. its YOUR OWN FAULT.

Learn from it and get better

signupdamnit

If you can't see alternate reasons for someone having a problem with it then the problem might be between your ears after all. Not everyone follows your same business model or mine. They could have 300 sponsors with $20,000 tied up between them all. They could be sending 2,000 clicks a month on average to each of those 300 (600,000 clicks). I kind of agree with you in that you should only send to those who you can make the monthly payment with (for many reasons) but that is up to others to decide on their own.

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shouldn't something like that be taken into consideration within the business model of the webmaster when choosing this strategy?

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TheSquealer

Yes, everyone understands that you just find it impossible to make money in your own business. Thats all you talk about... you failing. Day in... day out.

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Nasty

Guess your figuring if someone is not meeting minimum payments they are not sending enough traffic or high enough quality traffic? I have programs that I have 5 sales in the first month and then 6 months later the one that puts me at minimum payment never happens. Been doing this long enough now and like many, learned the hard way. I have a pretty good handle on who I can trust with my traffic and who I cant now. I always make minimum on my top 3-4 programs.

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This message is hidden because PR_Glen is on your ignore list.

Sigh. I guess I'll have to put you back on the ignore list. I had you off for the last couple weeks. I make money still in adult and I'm still in IM full time. It's just not as much as with almost everyone else here and I think we have a right to complain.

Anyway If you don't like my posts then you probably should put me on ignore dude because I'm going to say what I want. That's not all I talk about here at all. I probably made 5 times as many business posts here this week as you made posts not talking about the Zimmerman case. Count 'em. To the ignore list you go. Later.

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TheSquealer

Put me on ignore (i care?). I understand how the truth can be painful. Much easier to go through life ignoring it and blaming others. It's best that you don't listen to people who actually make money and continue blaming anyone and anything for your failures.

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nikki99

some programs min payouts are $300

with $300 u make 1 month living in Thailand or the Phillipines

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Sly

So don't sign up with that program and focus on a program that you can make minimum payout with? I'm not sure why you would sign up to a program that has rules that would impact you that you don't think you can follow. This is like buying a car and complaining because you can't make the loan payment. You have options. Pick an option within your abilities.

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To be fair there are many old affiliates with old sponsors who joined, put up links, and sent traffic when they had the standard $50 payout or when they were with CCBill. Then the program later either increased the minimum or they switched to Nats. Even if you pull all links you still have rebills or earned money sitting there.

I have lots of money tied up in programs like this that I will probably never see. I'm not stupid enough to keep sending the program real traffic (if they convert 1:15,000) and they won't send me what they owe until I meet the minimum. At some point they will go out of business and chances are they will never pay me then either.

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I recommend that you contact the program and ask them to close your account and issue monies. I have affiliates request this from time to time and I have no problem doing that.

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OldJeff

If someone is using 300 different sponsors they are not too bright, or they are relying on making sales by accident.

2000 clicks a month to a sponsor, not even enough to even start to evaluate if a sponsor can convert or not, when 1 sale can cut your ratio in half............your doing it wrong

Huge mistake people make is spreading their self too thin with sponsors.

20,000 clicks a day to ANY sponsor will get you attention from them, and respect, 66 hits per day gets you placed on the sponsor ignore list.

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signupdamnit

I see the name and the join date so I would think you knew this but times were once very different. Under some models it made sense to send to 300 different sponsors (I had thousands). How many sponsors does a review site have or soemone like Freeones? Sending 2,000 hits a month to a sponsor now means you are lucky to get a sale a month but it used to mean several sales once.

The attention thing never mattered much if you were just a revshare affiliate not looking for a payout bump. A "low hit shaver" was never much of a concern either. It was presumed you would be treated fairly and be paid the commissions on the sales you sent even if you only sent five joins a year.

I completely agree that it is different now.

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signupdamnit

It's not a big deal to me. In most cases I leave links up until the conversion rate is really bad (1:10000) or if they closed or pissed me off badly for some reason. I've contacted two sponsors in 15 years for an early payout. One cheerfully did it and the other ignored my messages.

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The Porn Nerd

I can understand the concerns about minimum payouts, from both the Sponser and the Affiliate's perspective (for my Program, which is CCBill, I have minimums set to $20). From a Sponser's POV it can be annoying if an affiliate complains time and again, every month, etc. A few times is human nature so be compassionate i.e., not a douschebag. LOL

From Affiliate's POV I can TOTALLY understand. I chose CCBill for these reasons:

tiny minimum payouts (basically 2 sales, get a check)
never any questions about payments
(probably the best part for affs) consolodation of programs into a single check (thereby avoiding the whole minimum payout issue altogether, generally).

As some have said, what if you promote 300 Programs and have $xx,xxx 'spread out' amongst them. It would drive me nuts. (Fuck, I promoted Fame Dollars for 8 seconds and have like $49 sitting there for two years. Sometimes I want to put links back up for a day, join myself, then get the payout. grrrr!)

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I disagree in part, I send traffic to a shit load of different sponsors, some convert like crazy and I can hit my minimum $400 in a week.
Others convert some less and I reduce the minimum down to $250 or $200.

Even more barely convert at all yet I still send traffic, these sites bring in like $7 a month or something and I have the minimum set at $100. Any less and it's just not worth it for me.

Then you have the sponsors you used to promote that still hold $247 of your money for the last 3 years that refuse to pay out because you didn't meet the minimum payment. I even tried to reduce the payout threshold and they refused.

nexcom28

I send less than 66 hits a day to many of my sponsors but I think I get more signups than your 20k clicks

seeandsee

This is old problem, and i think min should be 50$ for checks!

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I maintain

With the exception of high traffic review type sites (Like Free Ones) sending to a LOT of different sponsors is like throwing shit against the wall, sure a little sticks, but most of it falls on the floor.


Oh and my "join date" to the industry was August 1997, and my opinions on Affiliate sales are based on analyzing 17 million affiliate joins

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Congratulations, I think, don't know you or have any idea who your are. I do know I have never met any affiliate doing more than 50 sales a day that use more than a couple sponsors.

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Due

if you are sending traffic to 300 different programs you are not promoting them, you are just linking to it and hoping for the best.

hosted galleries, feeds and other automatic content updates works for finding the programs that works as they will give you an occasional sale here and there depending on how much traffic you have. those sales should be used to pick who you wish to promote to get some real sales. that will take you from the 1 to 5 sales / day to 10-30 sales / day
that's probably why you do better with solo girls since its targeted.

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that is true, when I had TGP and thumb preview sites back in the days I used to add their hosted galleries to fill the site and then the ones that performed I would make custom galleries or sometimes just add a full page ad instead and that worked like a charm. also very important is to keep removing the non producing sponsors.

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Socks

Well Jeff, let me introduce you to a few affiliates you've never met.

Have you heard of Freeones?
Or maybe TheBestPorn? RabbitsReviews?

C'mon man.

Minimum payouts really affect review sites especially, and are used as a weapon by sponsors against their affiliates. Ever wonder why some companies have 4, 5, 15 different programs? Minimum payouts.

If I promote three programs that have $200 minimums, that's $600 I'm potentially tying up in a bank account that can't be accessed, withdrawn from, transferred from, etc. I can see the money, I just can't have it. And it may NEVER get paid out to me.

I still somehow manage to get checks every single day, and minimum payouts seriously affect me.

Socks

People still have some really shitty views about money.

That $50 "shouldn't matter" to you. etc.. Get the fuck outta here. That's dinner. It doesn't matter how many dinners I have locked and loaded. Money is money.

Barefootsies

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You can always use CCBill programs

OldJeff

I believe I have heard of those site, and as I stated EXCLUDING review site. Oh and Rick payed for my first suite at the Monte Carlo in Vegas, so no you are not actually introducing me to anyone.

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Well then.

Let me introduce you to something you don't know.

paid
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(of work or leave) For or during which one receives pay: "a one-month paid vacation".
(of a person in a specified occupation) In receipt of pay: "a paid, anonymous informer".
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salaried - stipendiary

Socks

But you're right Jeff.

The more money I have tied up in virtual bank accounts that I can't access the better.

Obviously!

looky_lou

You are such a Player. Congratulations!

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Wow, you're the greatest affiliate that ever fucking lived.
Can my pit lick peanut butter off your dick ?

The REAL money makers are building their brand while financially setting themselves up for life as you're creating these idiotic self-righteous sanctimoniousness threads!

media

We do about 1:20 -1:40 with The Best Porn and Rabbits Reviews.. we have much more than 40 hits coming in a day from these destinations... We do good numbers with FreeOnes as well, but we don't have much of the "Porn Star" or "Model Specific" crowd that their surfers seek.. so it's a bit harder for them to qualify their traffic to us...

Review sites probably pre-target and pre-sell traffic better than anyone in the adult marketplace.

Not everyone out there takes 2000 hits to make a sale if you know what the hell you're doing... some people have been dominating a certain niche for years and still know how to do so...

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Pushing to many sponsors also mitigates risk. When one stops paying, gets sold, stops updating or hits some other speed bump.... It helps to only have them be 5% of your portfolio rather than 95%

Minimum payouts aren't an issue at all if you factor them into your $/click sent (which is the most important number for any affiliate)

If for example I send:
2,000 clicks to sponsor A and get a check for $100.00
2,000 to sponsor B and earn $100 but get no check due to not reaching their minimum
2,000 to sponsor C and earn 0 and get no check due to no conversions

Sponsor B above did not outperform sponsor C... They both paid me 0/2000
Sponsor A outperformed both B and C and paid me 100/2000

In simple terms, sponsors with high minimums need to convert better than sponsors with low minimums to earn traffic.
Same for sponsors with high payout fees compared to those with low payout fees or biweekly vs weekly payouts.

It always comes back to $/click sent (once you rule out scammers and are dealing with apples vs apples)

fuzebox

There is an amazing amount of truth in this thread

OldJeff

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If you cannot make the minimums, the problem is your business model, not the fault of sponsors. I on the other hand do not run into people that do not make the minimum, as those webmasters are not worth the time.

Have a nice day

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OldJeff

Who are you ???

I was responding to an insult, I do not now, nor have I ever claimed to be a "player", fact is I have been in this business a very long time, know a lot of people, and I have opinions from both the affiliate, and the sponsor point of view.

90% of the bitching on this board about shaving, minimum payments, middle men, are pretty much nonsense.

If you can't make the minimum - change what you are doing, a sponsor is not going to absorb the cost involved in sending payment to people that generate 2 sales a month. Too many affiliates have a mind set that sponsors exist to pay them money, sponsors are running a fucking business, that is why I have a cut off of who I will buy traffic from.

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OldJeff

Sad that I could fix that for a copywriter ;)

Please take notice I have nothing to disagree with your post, you hit the nail on the head, YOU control tour traffic, YOU decide what you send to, YOU would not send where you do not make the minimum payment.

YOU understand that sponsors have minimums set for business reasons, and alter YOUR business, you do not blame them.

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Yeah obviously I don't think everyone out there makes a sale at 1:2000. It depends. Also you can make the link text "Click here to pay $30 a month to subscribe to SexStarvedMilfs now!" and probably do 1:100 at the expense of your CTR. But on average whether many players will like to admit it or not I think the average webmaster is right around 1:2000 for paysites if not worse at this time.

Now I know someone is going to take a potshot and say "only the ones who don't know what they are doing" or some other thing. This happens all the time here and is typical GFY rep or bullshit speak. But common sense and reality tells a different story. Affiliates would not be leaving the industry if they were able to convert most sponsors at 1:500 nor would the sponsors be closing down sometimes dozens per week.

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signupdamnit

I think the bottom line here is that if you don't like the minimum payments then avoid the sponsor. If they change them for the worse, blacklist the sponsor, blacklist the owner, pull all links, and find another sponsor. If OldJeff doesn't like it then tell him to go fuck himself just like he pretty much told you when you complained of the minimums.

Nobody can force you to use a given sponsor. Nobody can force you to listen to some guy's egotistical bullshit on Go Fuck Yourself. It's up to you to run your own business and decide for yourself.

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When I launched the program for tubecamgirl I had set minimum to $10, and since I also pay nearly daily on demand... I soon had to change minimum to $20, since lots of people was simply asking me a $10 transfer every single damn day on paxum, payoneer, webmoney's
Then they made with $20's... so with some I dealt they should wait for it to be at least $100, but I can see they (especially filipino and third world) really care to get even a $20 a single day sooner. I even think they choice my program because of mid-week payouts as they may probably not want to wait mondays...

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I think a reasonable compromise is for a sponsor to send you a check if you've been sitting at the minimum payment level for some time. Maybe also make it configurable so that affiliates who pay fees for foreign checks won't be mailed something that will cost them more to cash than its face value.

OldJeff

NOW THIS IS A POST I CAN STAND BEHIND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



However I made a general post about complaining did not single anyone out

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I stand corrected. You are not a Player. Congratulations!

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Exactly!

If you have made $195 of your minimum $200 and you have moved out of the niche or you just don't want to support the sponsor for some reason. You should be paid that $195 at request, not be told "no, you didn't meet your damn minimum".

OldJeff. you sound like a bit of a pratt to be honest.

mineistaken

Its all good as long as program pays out what is owed (bellow minimum) when you decide that that sponsors is not good for you.

signupdamnit

Standard business practices are to close out accounts owed at the end of the fiscal year and to pay any amount outstanding. Many porn companies used to do this once. But as we all know there is more than our fair share of scumbags in this industry and eventually it became acceptable to not do this and to use the minimum as a way to steal money from low volume affiliates or affiliates who have otherwise moved on.

The new trend now is to also refuse to payout to affiliates below the minimum who request it along with a closing of their account.

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