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_Richard_ · 08-02-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

As far as I can tell the original source is...

http://www.chronicle.su/news/snowden...nd-chemtrails/

It's clearly a spoof site like the onion. Their current headline is "Justin Bieber: Anonymous Psyop Shill".

god im so sorry

50 bullshit articles

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

A failure? The guy just told the US citizens how their government is illegally spying on them. That's all, nothing else.

wait, i thought you were just rattling on about torture and guantanamo and extreme shit.

make up your mind.

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

A failure? The guy just told the US citizens how their government is illegally spying on them. That's all, nothing else.

btw, this is the 3rd time you've mentioned illegal shit uncovered. the bolding on the word pushed me over the edge, he hasn't revealed anything illegal in the usa people.

you might need to get up to speed if you want to point finger.

just a punk · 08-02-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the bolding on the word pushed me over the edge, he hasn't revealed anything illegal in the usa people.

Really? Is is legal to your government to spy on you? Congrats on that then.

PR_Glen · 08-02-2013, 01:16 PM

lots of wishful thinking and dreaming going on in this thread...

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 01:19 PM

in the most simple of terms:

we had an opportunity here. according to snowden himself he still has the most damaging documents of all, unreleased. if the *story* had been able to stay focused on those document, i.e. if they were revealed and damaging, then we had a chance of this being a catalyst for positive change. the story would have maybe created transparency laws and more.

instead, the nsa has now come out and said, fuck yeah, we snoop it fucking all man, fuck you, business as usual.

the half-hearted attempt, the lack of valor, doomed the entire opportunity. that has everything to do with how snowden chose to handle it. look, a couple months ago it took me about 15 minutes to see the history of how these things go, snowden certainly could have done that. i never claim to be smart but i do claim to look into things and try and base my view on the history, which is what i've done here.

lost opportunity is due to snowden. ending up on the lamb in russia isn't good for anybody.

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 01:31 PM

what planet do you live on that doesn't have a snooping government?

not saying it's cool, just point out you are not exempt.

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Really? Is is legal to your government to spy on you? Congrats on that then.

directfiesta · 08-02-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the funniest part of you snowden sympathizers is he revealed absolutely nothing that has changed anything or that was not already known. yet he's your hero and you'll cling to some uneducated view of history to keep sucking your hero dick so you make this about my view.

that's funny.

so what is your problem then....

Today, in the USA, every paper, in the gov or its agencies are '' TOP SECRET ,, .... even the toilet paper ...

He is a whistleblower, and the country heard the whistle !

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

so what is your problem then....

Today, in the USA, every paper, in the gov or its agencies are '' TOP SECRET ,, .... even the toilet paper ...

He is a whistleblower, and the country heard the whistle !

no, the nsa heard the whistle and "all" of those stories are now re: the nsa stating for the record they snoop and it's perfectly legal.

not only that, but any of the other below the fold stories are about our fucked up politicians endorsing the nsa and their snooping programs.

my *problem* is snowden did more harm than good. i'm not saying there's a blueprint for how to become an ex-nsa snoop leaker, but his ill-thought out plan not only defeated any opportunity/chance/hope for change actually caused more harm by putting just enough data out there to have the government defend the nsa snooping and to cause the nsa to say yup, we snoop and according to snowden it's all very legal.

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just a punk · 08-02-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

what planet do you live on that doesn't have a snooping government?

I don't know. My own fucked up government never claimed that it's a free country. I know how exactly my government is spying on me. It does use CORM and CORM2. They don't work permanently, they can't catch encrypted traffic etc. At least I'm informed about that shit, I know how to avoid it and I don't believe that my country is land of the free.

Do you?

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I don't know. My own fucked up government never claimed that it's a free country. I know how exactly my government is spying on me. It does use CORM and CORM2. They don't work permanently, they can't catch encrypted traffic etc. At least I'm informed about that shit, I know how to avoid it and I don't believe that my country is land of the free.

Do you?

do i what? do i believe my country is the land of the free?

please. i'm a porner. i had to come to terms years ago with the fact that my government isn't on my side.

just a punk · 08-02-2013, 02:08 PM

Excuse me. Is "porner" not a citizen in the US or what? Do you consider yourself as a 2nd sort? Really. Please explain it, because I didn't get it at all.

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Excuse me. Is "porner" not a citizen in the US or what? Do you consider yourself as a 2nd sort? Really. Please explain it, because I didn't get it at all.

rly? porner = pornographer. i make my living in the pornography industry.

just a punk · 08-02-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

rly? porner = pornographer. i make my living in the pornography industry.

Excuse me. Is "pornographer" not a citizen in the US or what? Do you consider yourself as a 2nd sort? Really. Please explain it, because I didn't get it at all.

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Excuse me. Is "pornographer" not a citizen in the US or what? Do you consider yourself as a 2nd sort? Really. Please explain it, because I didn't get it at all.

why explain it to you?

_Richard_ · 08-02-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Excuse me. Is "pornographer" not a citizen in the US or what? Do you consider yourself as a 2nd sort? Really. Please explain it, because I didn't get it at all.

i think i see your point.

a good comparison would be a homosexual in russia would be a 'second class citizen'.. right?

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i think i see your point.

a good comparison would be a homosexual in russia would be a 'second class citizen'.. right?

thank you!

just a punk · 08-02-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i think i see your point.

a good comparison would be a homosexual in russia would be a 'second class citizen'.. right?

It also depends. How exactly Russian homos will realize they are 'second class citizens'?

just a punk · 08-02-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

thank you!

You are welcome

_Richard_ · 08-02-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It also depends. How exactly Russian homos will realize they are 'second class citizens'?

so you're saying the special laws targeting homosexuals etc.. those mean they're UBER class citizens, rather than 'no better than dogs'?

I should tell everyone in the city to stop pouring out your booze, and stop planning on boycotting your olympics

you aren't discriminating against these folks, you're putting them on a PEDESTAL

aren't these miscommunications funny?

just a punk · 08-02-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

so you're saying the special laws targeting homosexuals etc.. those mean they're UBER class citizens, rather than 'no better than dogs'?

I should tell everyone in the city to stop pouring out your booze, and stop planning on boycotting your olympics

you aren't discriminating against these folks, you're putting them on a PEDESTAL

aren't these miscommunications funny?

You will be very surprised but there is a ton homosexuals in Russian. There is is ton of homosexual clubs too. What's a problem with them?

_Richard_ · 08-02-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You will be very surprised but there is a ton homosexuals in Russian. There is is ton of homosexual clubs too. What's a problem with them?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...c-problem.html

them? nothing

I am not surprised at all. However, i am surprised at your countries behaviour.

Honestly some rednecks/immigrants are still bent outta shape about it here in Canada.

One joke about homophobia and the 'why' of it all, generally straightens them right out.

if you don't mind the pun : D

just a punk · 08-02-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...c-problem.html

I didn't get it. Reilly.

P.S. As usually, it's all turns into offtopic. GFY is just... GFY.

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You will be very surprised but there is a ton homosexuals in Russian. There is is ton of homosexual clubs too. What's a problem with them?

under current state of affairs there, i'd advise snowden to stay far away from these homosexual clubs you mention.

just a punk · 08-02-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

under current state of affairs there, i'd advise snowden to stay far away from these homosexual clubs you mention.

Cool, tell it to Snowden

_Richard_ · 08-02-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I didn't get it. Reilly.

P.S. As usually, it's all turns into offtopic. GFY is just... GFY.

you asked what the problem was. i sent you the link. if you don't understand, i can't say im surprised.

nico-t · 08-02-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Guys, I really don't understand why do you wish death to Snowden. How exactly he betrayed your country? Did he reveal some military secrets or what? The guy just explained how your government is illegally watching you for your money. WTF with you? Has the USA became the USSR version 2.0 already?

successful police state propaganda & brainwashing. Im amazed so many people fall for it, like they havent heard about nazi Germany and how Hitler had so many supporters.

dyna mo · 08-02-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Cool, tell it to Snowden

i'm sure he's listening.

Crazy Enough · 08-02-2013, 09:43 PM

I would love to live in Russia for one year. That's the good thing of being brazilian: we don't have problems with any nation in the world, only internal problems with ourselves.

winter_ · 08-02-2013, 10:10 PM

i think snowden really is stupid and thinks whoever associates with him in any way is stupid too. logistically, how does running to hong kong from los angeles or where ever in the united states then get transported to moscow, russia, again, make logistical sense? if he was on his way back to be prosecuted by united states law in the united states?

snowden is essentially a traitor and good for him he has been saved by the russians but i don't really care.

BFT3K · 08-02-2013, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Guys, I really don't understand why do you wish death to Snowden. How exactly he betrayed your country? Did he reveal some military secrets or what? The guy just explained how your government is illegally watching you for your money. WTF with you? Has the USA became the USSR version 2.0 already?

Seriously.

just a punk · 08-03-2013, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i think i see your point.

a good comparison would be a homosexual in russia would be a 'second class citizen'.. right?

Of course not. The homosexuals here are mostly the 1s class citizens. All homosexuals I know, I know from TV because they are famous singers, actors etc. We even have a saing here: "Wanna be rich and famous? Be a gay then."

So I didn't get your comparison.

dyna mo · 08-03-2013, 05:37 AM

good job snowden, today's news cycle is all about how snowden is tired and misses his girlfriend. now that's a story that will create change!

p.s. the same girl he bailed on and left with the rent due. classy turnaround.

MaDalton · 08-03-2013, 05:53 AM

too bad - now i am going to miss him when i'm in Moscow next Thursday

just a punk · 08-03-2013, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

That WOULD be torture. Stuck in an airport, unable to experience the amazing night life, good vodka, and amazing women right outside.

Yep, Moscow is a very cool city. I've been to many places and I do confirm that Moscow is the best one to spend time in.

Just FYI: the yearly budget of Moscow is $52.4 billions, so it's a second city in the World after New York ($65.9 billions). For example, the budget of London is only $18.9 billions.

just a punk · 08-03-2013, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

too bad - now i am going to miss him when i'm in Moscow next Thursday

Are you gonna be in Moscow? For how long?

MaDalton · 08-03-2013, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Are you gonna be in Moscow? For how long?

unfortunately just for 2 hours in airport transit on my way to Cuba

just a punk · 08-03-2013, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

unfortunately just for 2 hours in airport transit on my way to Cuba

8char

just a punk · 08-03-2013, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

do i what? do i believe my country is the land of the free?

please. i'm a porner. i had to come to terms years ago with the fact that my government isn't on my side.

I'm gonna to explain my question. Some time ago the United States of America was considered as the best country in the World because of the freedom. Everybody knew that in the USA you are free. But what's about now? Where are those freedoms today? Could you say that you (as an US citizen) are more free than somebody say in EU, Brazil, Argentina, Russia etc? Do you have more rights than me or what?

Everything that comes from the USA nowadays does strongly remind me of the USSR in its worst exhibition.

dyna mo · 08-03-2013, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I'm gonna to explain my question. Some time ago the United States of America was considered as the best country in the World because of the freedom. Everybody knew that in the USA you are free. But what's about now? Where are those freedoms today? Could you say that you (as an US citizen) are more free than somebody say in EU, Brazil, Argentina, Russia etc? Do you have more rights than me or what?

Everything that comes from the USA nowadays does strongly remind me of the USSR in its worst exhibition.

i'm not in a freedom competition with you. i couldn't care less if you have more or less freedom than me or what exact freedoms you have now that you didn't have yesterday or wtfever. enjoy your life, do what you need to do, live where you choose to. if you don't like it, change it. works for me.

candyflip · 08-03-2013, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Guys, I really don't understand why do you wish death to Snowden. How exactly he betrayed your country? Did he reveal some military secrets or what? The guy just explained how your government is illegally watching you for your money. WTF with you? Has the USA became the USSR version 2.0 already?

Funny you mention this. I was just reading this article:

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For decades, Russia was represented in Hollywood as a shadowy power where secret police spied on citizens and freedom was illusory. But thanks to Snowden's revelations and the subsequent political fallout, Americans are starting to realize that their country has been an even more powerful surveillance state than the USSR ever was. And now, Russia is granting asylum to an American citizen who dared to reveal how much surveillance was actually going on in the States. It seems like a weird historical about-face.

http://io9.com/is-america-the-new-russia-1006054089

k0nr4d · 08-03-2013, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

instead of being what he claims he is, a human rights activist, snowden cowardly used the bulk of what he stole as a bargaining chip to allow him to be granted asylum in the human rights capital of the world- russia.

that's not hero behavior. that's a jackass.

You would do differently? He'd just end up beign a martyr instead of a hero...

BFT3K · 08-03-2013, 07:45 AM

What Snowden did took balls. He is a hero, and not a traitor at all.

The government-owned media has clearly done its job.

dyna mo · 08-03-2013, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You would do differently? He'd just end up beign a martyr instead of a hero...

and that's exactly why i think snowden is a complete fuckup.

this isn't supposed to be about him. it's supposed to be about the information. but due to snowden being a complete absolute fuckup, it's about whether snowden dies or is a hero.

that's bullshit. what you are all saying is you are accepting the attention about this being diverted from the data collection problem and making it entirely about snowden and whether or not he is a hero or a martyr or a leaker or a whistleblower or a good guy or a bad guy.

but his real true huge fuckup was in releasing just enough data for the nsa to admit to it because it is not illegal.

that's not hero level shit, that's fuckup level shit.

MaDalton · 08-03-2013, 08:15 AM

i said it before, i'll say it again: what the NSA does might not be illegal in the US when they don't do it to US citizens (really, they don't?) but it is illegal in many other countries

therefore i don't blame you when you are unhappy with Snowden but many other people actually appreciate to have their eyes opened.

and no, the extend of the data mining done by the NSA was not public knowledge yet

geedub · 08-03-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

unfortunately just for 2 hours in airport transit on my way to Cuba

Please tell me you're going somewhere other than Varadero? Cuba is so fun.

MaDalton · 08-03-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by geedub

Please tell me you're going somewhere other than Varadero? Cuba is so fun.

actually Havana and Varadero - and something else i forgot

i have a Cuban friend who is already there and organizes everything for us

no hotels, no tourist guides, staying with locals... should be fun

dyna mo · 08-03-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i said it before, i'll say it again: what the NSA does might not be illegal in the US when they don't do it to US citizens (really, they don't?) but it is illegal in many other countries

therefore i don't blame you when you are unhappy with Snowden but many other people actually appreciate to have their eyes opened.

and no, the extend of the data mining done by the NSA was not public knowledge yet

you make this sound like an either/or proposition when you say

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you are unhappy with Snowden but many other people actually appreciate to have their eyes opened.

these aren't mutually exclusive.

the fact is he didn't reveal anything illegal and to make that worse, is claiming he is still hiding the really bad shit the nsa does because he is skeered for his life.

and i am sure you mean you are appreciative of the fact that snowden's effort revealed germany's own snooping efforts and for also being in cahoots with usa intel snooping.

MaDalton · 08-03-2013, 08:37 AM

we'll never agree on this - starting with the legal/illegal thing

your legal <> my legal

dyna mo · 08-03-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

we'll never agree on this - starting with the legal/illegal thing

your legal <> my legal

again, if it were up to me it would be illegal. not sure why that gets lost here. he didn't reveal anything illegal, that doesn't mean i am ok with it, contrary, i've said it umpteen times in this thread, he fucked up an opportunity by only revealing a slice of what he claims he has, that slice has been determined to be perfectly legal, case closed, the government and media has moved on to snowden being upset about the girl he bailed on.

i know it's important at gfy to find things to disagree on, in spite of several posts completely contrary to that. but i am scratching my head why peeps think that just because i am stating he released nothing illegal that i am ok with that and the intel gathering.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,964	in the most simple of terms: we had an opportunity here. according to snowden himself he still has the most damaging documents of all, unreleased. if the story had been able to stay focused on those document, i.e. if they were revealed and damaging, then we had a chance of this being a catalyst for positive change. the story would have maybe created transparency laws and more. instead, the nsa has now come out and said, fuck yeah, we snoop it fucking all man, fuck you, business as usual. the half-hearted attempt, the lack of valor, doomed the entire opportunity. that has everything to do with how snowden chose to handle it. look, a couple months ago it took me about 15 minutes to see the history of how these things go, snowden certainly could have done that. i never claim to be smart but i do claim to look into things and try and base my view on the history, which is what i've done here. lost opportunity is due to snowden. ending up on the lamb in russia isn't good for anybody. Last edited by dyna mo; 08-02-2013 at 01:20 PM..

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MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,822	i said it before, i'll say it again: what the NSA does might not be illegal in the US when they don't do it to US citizens (really, they don't?) but it is illegal in many other countries therefore i don't blame you when you are unhappy with Snowden but many other people actually appreciate to have their eyes opened. and no, the extend of the data mining done by the NSA was not public knowledge yet __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

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winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	i think snowden really is stupid and thinks whoever associates with him in any way is stupid too. logistically, how does running to hong kong from los angeles or where ever in the united states then get transported to moscow, russia, again, make logistical sense? if he was on his way back to be prosecuted by united states law in the united states? snowden is essentially a traitor and good for him he has been saved by the russians but i don't really care.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,964	good job snowden, today's news cycle is all about how snowden is tired and misses his girlfriend. now that's a story that will create change! p.s. the same girl he bailed on and left with the rent due. classy turnaround.

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