Are there any good reasons WHY McDonalds workers shouldn't be earning $15 to $20 an hour? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

A person should be paid according to their skill level. Not one penny more. Unskilled labor should be paid accordingly. Skilled labor should be rewarded accordingly.

Robbie most of these guys don't realize the amount of work it takes to move ahead, the guys pulling down big bucks that I know are working 80+ hours a week.. a big time CEO has his day slotted out in 15 min increments with meetings all day long, usually 12+ hour days...

my business took me years to set up at 80 hours a week plus... even now I don't really make that much. six figures is all ... day before yesterday I worked 4am until 10pm and only netted $1900... and almost 47.3% of that goes out to taxes.

so a guy working 40 hours a week serving up tacos, and not even very well, should have everything I've worked my ass of for... amazing

this theory that money somehow created itself and then was stolen by the rich and needs to be returned damn quick is what your seeing and the thought that a big screen TV is guaranteed on the constitution...

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

If the minimum wage went to $38,000 the unemployment numbers would soar.

75% of all new jobs are created by small business. 50% of all workers are employed by small businesses. Most small businesses would fail or never get launched if entry level jobs started at such an absurd figure.

All your boarder line restaurant franchises as well as mom&pop locations would fold. So would a large percentage of franchised McDonalds.

But hey, some dumb 18 year old mother of 2 would be making $38,000 a year selling $10. Big Macks to a declining cliental. Wonderful.

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the biggest hurdle to owning and operating a small business is surviving the taxes the first few years.. . I know the first 2 years I was in business taxes lifted almost every penny of my cash surplus

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

"you can only charge what the market will bear" EXACTLY!! And if your cost of doing business is higher that your profit margins guess what? You close the the store, everyone is out of a job.

Ever do business projections Tony? Ever own a retail store? Ever try and plug in $38,000 as a starting wage in a service oriented business and see a positive bottom line?

Impossible. A dream. American consumers won't pay for it.

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until recently porn has been based on the drug dealer model.... 'you need what I have and fuck you if you don't like it' this isn't the case anymore... let these guys figure out how it really works now

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

The overall theory is that if McDonald's paid $20/hr other fast food places and low wage places like Walmart would be forced to do the same. Then since those people would be making more money they would have a higher standard of living and those of them that are currently also collecting some kind of government aid like food stamps, housing assistance, health insurance, daycare help etc would no longer need it or need as much of it. This would lower the government's costs and thus lower taxes. In the end you might have to pay a small amount more for the things you buy, but the tax savings would more than offset it.

The problem with the theory is that the government never really lowers taxes. They would just find other ways to spend that money so we would end up at the same tax rate while also paying more for many goods and services. This would then leave us with only the hope that these overall higher wages made for a better economy where everyone made more money and were better off, but I have yet to see any real evidence that this would actually happen.

In the end, sure, these places could pay a lot more (I read a few years ago that Walmart could double most of their employees pay and only have to raise their prices by about 1.5%-2% to cover the cost), but it doesn't appear that these thing really have a large, overall benefit to the economy as a whole.

Kane there will be NO tax savings... ever.. the gov will blow the money, then blow smoke up your ass., just like they do every fucking day... anyone that thinks paying higher min wages will drop expenditures is living in a dream.

another issue is most businesses only make a +/-3% net... Wal-Mart does 3.6% so rising the prices by 1.5%-2% is kinda crazy don't you think?

the issue is that the reports and politicians have NEVER run a business and talk weird shit to grind personal agendas...

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Exactly.

However, that does not even get into the REAL COST to the business. Just because some Mcwebmaster makes minimum wage, that does not represent the ACTUAL COST to that business. There is a lot of additional expense for any one worker that most never factor in. If you provide a worker with vacation time, health or other benefits, insurance, workman's comp, taxes, uniforms, whatever.

The point being, all of that is an additional cost to the business over and above the hourly wage expense to one working employee. It seems that when people are throwing around these numbers, they somehow always forget all of these other expenses and cost to the business for this worker. I can assure you it's much higher than their hourly wage.

If a $10.00/hour (over minimum wage) is getting health benefits of any kind from their employer, especially if they have a family, they are truly making more like $15.00+ an hour as a TRUE COST to that business once you break down the cost of health policy over their hours worked. Add in vacation and personal days off, and the rest that each worker represents in TRUE COST and it blows a lot of these numbers out of the water.

When does it end? We need to provide these people $20.00/hour jobs for flipping McBurgers, provide them outfits, health insurance, paid leave, workman's comp, 401k unti the cost to the business is $40-50/hour per worker?!?!?! How much more per big mac will the consumer be willing to pay to achieve this?

making $100 per hour to bolt on car fenders worked pretty good for the car manufactures didn't it?

bushwacker · 08-04-2013, 06:55 AM

Well you can certainly tell in this thread who has, or had owned a small business, and who hasn't.

tony286 · 08-04-2013, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

making $100 per hour to bolt on car fenders worked pretty good for the car manufactures didn't it?

no one made $100 an hour bolting on car fenders. I worked on the line for gm in 84. The car businesses had problems not because of unions like your favorite pundits say. It was poor management at the top. They made cars the consumer didnt want. Ford is union and is doing fine, they were never in trouble.Without a middle class there is no porn business. its that simple. And with people cheering pay them as little as possible when each walmart store costs the tax payer 900k gov programs because they pay them shit. They use you to profit. That's corporate welfare. Now you got a problem with the person on welfare buying cigarettes and beer and having an iphone. But the company costs you billions that's fine. lol

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

no one made $100 an hour bolting on car fenders. I worked on the line for gm in 84. The car businesses had problems not because of unions like your favorite pundits say. It was poor management at the top. They made cars the consumer didnt want. Ford is union and is doing fine, they were never in trouble.Without a middle class there is no porn business. its that simple. And with people cheering pay them as little as possible when each walmart store costs the tax payer 900k gov programs because they pay them shit. They use you to profit. That's corporate welfare. Now you got a problem with the person on welfare buying cigarettes and beer and having an iphone. But the company costs you billions that's fine. lol

read this and understand: the government is NEVER going to lower taxes. the thought that over paying unskilled workers will drop government expenditures is ludicrous.

I have no issue, I live in REALITY. you seem to be the one with the unrealistic expectations and a total lack of basic business understanding, and this is causing your issues.

let me guess, if we would apologize to the Muslim world, they would leave us alone and be our BFF's right? if we would just spend another 12 billion dollars a year on programs for minorities, the minorities would stop using drugs, being in gangs, unwed teen mothers would evaporate? if we would totally outlaw guns, murders would stop completely, if we would stop military spending the entire world would be our BBF forever and look up to us, if we mandate minimum wage to $25-$30 an hour there will be no more welfare... I get all that right Tony?

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker

Well you can certainly tell in this thread who has, or had owned a small business, and who hasn't.

AND who is getting government assistance in one form or another. I once heard that if you are not getting welfare any other government assistance or money from the government in anyway you are the enemy...

Barefootsies · 08-04-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker

Well you can certainly tell in this thread who has, or had owned a small business, and who hasn't.

True dat.

Eric · 08-04-2013, 07:30 AM

I worked at McDonalds as a kid, the majority of the people I worked with fit into two categories:

A) Kid in high school that needed a job with flexible hours
B) Adult that didn't or barely finished High School and didn't do shit with their lives

In most cases the workers from A were the ones that actually worked the hardest. Now, of course, this was 20+ years ago, and many kids I see these days are lazy fucks too because of Mommy and Daddy putting them on a pedestal and telling them constantly that their shit doesn't stink. So hard work never enters their blood stream.

With all of this said there was an article posted back in march that has resonated with me since I first read it back then.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...t-you-pay-for/

Harold Myerson writes in a terrific piece published in today’s WashPo—

“One lesson that emerges from the experience of low-end retailers is that putting workers in crummy, low-wage jobs tends to yield crummy service as well. McDonald’s earnings have fallen, the Wall Street Journal reports, and a management webcast to franchise owners acknowledged that customer dissatisfaction is rising in part because “service is broken.” Myerson adds, “Some of the most successful retailers follow a different path. As MIT management professor Zeynep Ton argued in Harvard Business Review last year, Costco and Trader Joe’s pay their workers far more than many of their competitors, offer their employees opportunities for promotion and enjoy markedly lower worker turnover and far higher sales per employee than their low-road counterparts. Sales per employee at Costco are nearly double that at Sam’s Club.(emphasis added)”

One of those things that makes you go hmmmm...

L-Pink · 08-04-2013, 07:32 AM

Flipping burgers used to be a part time job for teens that gave them extra money and served as an example of why they needed to have a good education or trade. Not a way to support a family.

Again, society is lowering the bar for those that don't take personal responsibility to make themselves valuable in the marketplace.

Barefootsies · 08-04-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric

kids I see these days are lazy fucks too because of Mommy and Daddy putting them on a pedestal and telling them constantly that their shit doesn't stink. So hard work never enters their blood stream.

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

society is lowering the bar for those that don't take personal responsibility to make themselves valuable in the marketplace.

Kolargol · 08-04-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Well, it has a racial element when BECAUSE OF MINIMUM WAGE LAWS, young people with no skills can't be hired. If you are young and have no skills, your output is probably not worth the minimum wage and mandatory benefits and other expenses related to employing you. So, you don't get hired. Most of the guys who suffer this are *DISPROPORTIONATELY* BLACK and ethnic minorities. ABOLISHING MINIMUM WAGE LAWS would do more for racial progress in America than all of Al Sharpton's divisive BS. Indeed, it was labor unions who pushed for minimum wage laws to protect union workers from the low wage price competition of African-Americans. See below for more info:

Don't bring racial element - minimum wages are in also in countries with no ethnic minorities.

SuckOnThis · 08-04-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Flipping burgers used to be a part time job for teens that gave them extra money and served as an example of why they needed to have a good education or trade. Not a way to support a family.

Again, society is lowering the bar for those that don't take personal responsibility to make themselves valuable in the marketplace.

That may have been true 20 years ago but today almost half of college graduates are forced to take jobs that require no degree and 38% of them are forced to take minimum wage jobs.
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?p...6-4fb05e443d93

Not to mention the average yearly cost for college is now close to $30,000 a year.

I read an article the other day that half the people with law degrees arent practicing law simply because they cannot find work.

Robbie · 08-04-2013, 08:42 AM

Saw a guy on the news late last night saying that there are 3 million TRADE jobs available in the U.S. right now. But people aren't qualified to take them.

He said that Caterpillar is practically begging for qualified heavy engine mechanics right now. Pay STARTS in the $40,000 + range. After 2 years you can be making $120,000 a year.

But there aren't enough trained people who went to a vocational "tech" school as opposed to a university to fill those positions.

And the irony is that vo-tech schools are really cheap and easy to get in.

He also pointed out that people who learn "trades" can't be "outsourced". You can't outsource that mechanic to China. You can't outsource a plumber that comes to your home to fix a leak (and if you've hired one lately then you KNOW they make great money).

If people don't want to work an entry level fast food job that is designed for high school kids...there are options to become a SKILLED laborer and learn a trade and make a great living.

Also...everyone over 18 should start voting and get rid of all these lifetime politicians who are magically rich while the country goes to hell and nobody can find a good job...and even if they do they get taxed almost half of everything they make (sales, local, state, fed)

Rochard · 08-04-2013, 08:47 AM

I worked fast food for seven years. At first it was because I needed it. Later on I got a much better job, but still worked part time because fast food was fun. It was a great place to meet chicks - in fact, that's how I met my wife.

I did some volunteer work a while back, running a food booth for our local charity for eight hours at a concert (Journey in fact). It kicked my ass.

PornoMonster · 08-04-2013, 08:49 AM

Sounds good, but everything else will slide to the correct price, thus making it .... You make the same %...

If you set Min wage at X amount, guess what you are still the Bottom, and once EVERYTHING YOU buy increases the small X amount suggested, guess what, the money is back to the TOP of the Stock Holders and Businesses....

I guess you can keep it local, ma and pop stores, and also the local Drug Dealers, which now will charge more..

Robbie · 08-04-2013, 08:49 AM

Rochard...I'd like a quarter pounder with cheese combo please. Make it large with coke to drink, and an apple pie as well. See ya at the drive up window. lol

Robbie · 08-04-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Sounds good, but everything else will slide to the correct price, thus making it .... You make the same %...

If you set Min wage at X amount, guess what you are still the Bottom, and once EVERYTHING YOU buy increases the small X amount suggested, guess what, the money is back to the TOP of the Stock Holders and Businesses....

I guess you can keep it local, ma and pop stores, and also the local Drug Dealers, which now will charge more..

Yep...except ONE thing: Porn. We can barely sell paysite memberships at the same price we were selling them for 15 years ago. Can't raise the price because of piracy.

So yeah...great idea! Let's accelerate the cost of living even more!

PornoMonster · 08-04-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the biggest hurdle to owning and operating a small business is surviving the taxes the first few years.. . I know the first 2 years I was in business taxes lifted almost every penny of my cash surplus

Exactly, and if you Hire someone... Wow the taxes you have to pay..

Now I know why there are so many independent contractors and people pay that way only...

SuckOnThis · 08-04-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Saw a guy on the news late last night saying that there are 3 million TRADE jobs available in the U.S. right now. But people aren't qualified to take them.

He said that Caterpillar is practically begging for qualified heavy engine mechanics right now. Pay STARTS in the $40,000 + range. After 2 years you can be making $120,000 a year.

But there aren't enough trained people who went to a vocational "tech" school as opposed to a university to fill those positions.

And the irony is that vo-tech schools are really cheap and easy to get in.

He also pointed out that people who learn "trades" can't be "outsourced". You can't outsource that mechanic to China. You can't outsource a plumber that comes to your home to fix a leak (and if you've hired one lately then you KNOW they make great money).

If people don't want to work an entry level fast food job that is designed for high school kids...there are options to become a SKILLED laborer and learn a trade and make a great living.

Also...everyone over 18 should start voting and get rid of all these lifetime politicians who are magically rich while the country goes to hell and nobody can find a good job...and even if they do they get taxed almost half of everything they make (sales, local, state, fed)

I saw the same guy a few weeks ago saying the same thing. The gist of it was that kids these days don't think its cool to go to a trade school or to work those types of jobs and from what I've seen I agree. Kids these days are so narcissistic they all think they're going to be famous or that they'll make a million dollars a year playing video games.

Robbie · 08-04-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Exactly, and if you Hire someone... Wow the taxes you have to pay..

Now I know why there are so many independent contractors and people pay that way only...

Yep you have to pay matching social security taxes for every employee. The govt. double dips on it. (and still can't manage to keep social security from going bankrupt in the near future)

Of course all these anonymous people on here who claim to be big "businessmen" in the U.S. and have all these employees...seem to not have knowledge of that.

Nope, they just go out of their way to pay UNSKILLED workers (though why anyone in the tech industry would have unskilled or unexperienced people doesn't make any sense) far more than minimum wage...just so they can "feel good" about it.

Yeah, right.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-04-2013, 08:58 AM

Be careful what you ask for ... you might just get it ...

Dirty D · 08-04-2013, 09:05 AM

If you want to make more money, increase your skill set.

There are two ways for people to earn money.

1. Work Hard

2. Work Smart

Business Owners have to do both.

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric

I worked at McDonalds as a kid, the majority of the people I worked with fit into two categories:

A) Kid in high school that needed a job with flexible hours
B) Adult that didn't or barely finished High School and didn't do shit with their lives

In most cases the workers from A were the ones that actually worked the hardest. Now, of course, this was 20+ years ago, and many kids I see these days are lazy fucks too because of Mommy and Daddy putting them on a pedestal and telling them constantly that their shit doesn't stink. So hard work never enters their blood stream.

With all of this said there was an article posted back in march that has resonated with me since I first read it back then.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...t-you-pay-for/

Harold Myerson writes in a terrific piece published in today?s WashPo?

?One lesson that emerges from the experience of low-end retailers is that putting workers in crummy, low-wage jobs tends to yield crummy service as well. McDonald?s earnings have fallen, the Wall Street Journal reports, and a management webcast to franchise owners acknowledged that customer dissatisfaction is rising in part because ?service is broken.? Myerson adds, ?Some of the most successful retailers follow a different path. As MIT management professor Zeynep Ton argued in Harvard Business Review last year, Costco and Trader Joe?s pay their workers far more than many of their competitors, offer their employees opportunities for promotion and enjoy markedly lower worker turnover and far higher sales per employee than their low-road counterparts. Sales per employee at Costco are nearly double that at Sam?s Club.(emphasis added)?

One of those things that makes you go hmmmm...

in and out as well... the workers at Costco seems very happy to be working there for sure.... HOWEVER not really sure the business model will work in fast food due to quantities involved... you can't blow out big box sales on cheeseburgers AND you can force vendors to drop their pricing...

BTW I tired this with my staff with mixed result... one girl got hooked on dope with the higher income and became completely unreliable... several others viewed be as a soft touch and fucked me over

Dirty D · 08-04-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker

Well you can certainly tell in this thread who has, or had owned a small business, and who hasn't.

Exactly QFT

woj · 08-04-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Be careful what you ask for ... you might just get it ...

some McDonalds actually outsourced drive through order taking to a call center in a different state... next logical step is to outsource it to India...

[http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/te...nted=all&_r=0]

Grapesoda · 08-04-2013, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

some McDonalds actually outsourced drive through order taking to a call center in a different state... next logical step is to outsource it to India...

[http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/te...nted=all&_r=0]

many places do that... great biz to own is my thinking

dyna mo · 08-04-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

So your whole economic experience comes from eating chicken at KFC today...what a special gift you have. Are you also able to solve your towns infrastructure issues by peering your head out of your moms trailer?

wait, so you try to zing me for sharing a funny& timely anecdotal one time experience that was made in jest, then you write this like you are some sort of expert.

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

I saw the same guy a few weeks ago saying the same thing. The gist of it was that kids these days don't think its cool to go to a trade school or to work those types of jobs and from what I've seen I agree. Kids these days are so narcissistic they all think they're going to be famous or that they'll make a million dollars a year playing video games.

jtfc, you fucking trolls are not old enough to post here.

dynastoned · 08-04-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Robbie most of these guys don't realize the amount of work it takes to move ahead, the guys pulling down big bucks that I know are working 80+ hours a week.. a big time CEO has his day slotted out in 15 min increments with meetings all day long, usually 12+ hour days...

my business took me years to set up at 80 hours a week plus... even now I don't really make that much. six figures is all ... day before yesterday I worked 4am until 10pm and only netted $1900... and almost 47.3% of that goes out to taxes.

so a guy working 40 hours a week serving up tacos, and not even very well, should have everything I've worked my ass of for... amazing

this theory that money somehow created itself and then was stolen by the rich and needs to be returned damn quick is what your seeing and the thought that a big screen TV is guaranteed on the constitution...

SuckOnThis · 08-04-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

wait, so you try to zing me for sharing a funny& timely anecdotal one time experience that was made in jest, then you write this like you are some sort of expert.

Exactly. And maybe today after you're finished helping your step dad change the alternator in his Ford LTD you can come back and tell us everything thats wrong with Detroit.

dyna mo · 08-04-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Exactly. And maybe today after you're finished helping your step dad change the alternator in his Ford LTD you can come back and tell us everything thats wrong with Detroit.

ok, back from getting that alternater changed, takes about 15 minutes, i've changed plenty, it sits right on top

and sure, i can help you out understanding what's wrong with detroit, fuck, i can school you on that with 1 word

cupholders.

now go fuck yourself.

winter_ · 08-05-2013, 01:10 AM

if they can afford to, why not. but then it might be successful and it will help their business because i will see another mcdonalds open up two blocks down the road from the other one.

Stephen · 08-05-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

If you have never owned a small business employing minimum wage workers you don't realize most are over-paid at minimum wage.

Maybe the problem is under educated young females with children. Fix that PERSONAL problem before telling a business owner to help rectify their piss poor life decesions.

+1 there

Barefootsies · 08-05-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Maybe the problem is under educated young females with children. Fix that PERSONAL problem before telling a business owner to help rectify their piss poor life decesions.

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Obviously some here have never owned a business employing minimum wage workers.

Listening to you is like having a virgin tell me how good a pussy feels.

Fucking hilarious.

BFT3K · 08-06-2013, 11:42 AM

The Magical World Where McDonald's Pays $15 an Hour?

STORY HERE

DomainPimpMark · 08-06-2013, 11:48 AM

As far as I'm concerned, McD's fine dining, pay dem hoes what dey worf.

Rochard · 08-06-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Rochard...I'd like a quarter pounder with cheese combo please. Make it large with coke to drink, and an apple pie as well. See ya at the drive up window. lol

WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT ROBBIE?

lol!

Robbie · 08-06-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

The Magical World Where McDonald's Pays $15 an Hour?

STORY HERE

From that story:
"So how exactly do McDonald's and other chains manage to turn a profit abroad while paying an hourly wage their American workers can only fantasize about while picketing? Part of the answer, as you might expect, boils down to higher prices. Academic estimates have suggested that, worldwide, worker pay accounts for at least 45 percent of a Big Mac's cost."

It also has a chart on that page that shows the cost of a Big Mac in different areas of the world.

So much for "Magical"

Rochard · 08-06-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

some McDonalds actually outsourced drive through order taking to a call center in a different state... next logical step is to outsource it to India...

[http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/te...nted=all&_r=0]

Oh no.

We have a Panda Express with a drive through, and I can't do the drive through any more - I can't handle a Mexican trying to do Asian food in broken English with a Spanish accent... At least not without laughing.

_Richard_ · 08-06-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Oh no.

We have a Panda Express with a drive through, and I can't do the drive through any more - I can't handle a Mexican trying to do Asian food in broken English with a Spanish accent... At least not without laughing.

all 'chinese' food down yonder is gross

signupdamnit · 08-06-2013, 11:53 AM

There are other reasons but the biggest reason is basically that many people on the right would be jealous of the fast food workers. True, if you stop and think about it.

pornguy · 08-06-2013, 12:01 PM

So now they will get 15$ an hour to do as little as they can and bitch about still not making enough.

and if you think thats the only increase will be about 68 cents you are quite wrong.

BFT3K · 08-06-2013, 12:01 PM

Millions of additional people making more money equals millions of people with extra money to buy things.

I sell things, so that helps me and my business out a whole bunch. Not sure how things work on the other side of reality.

Jel · 08-06-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buncha

This "68 cents" claim originated from a Huffington Post article last week. It was debunked the next day by the Columbia Journalism Review:

And so HuffPo posted a retraction:

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By the reckoning of Bonnie Riggs, a restaurant industry analyst at market information and advisory firm the NPD Group

Robbie · 08-06-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Millions of additional people making more money equals millions of people with extra money to buy things.

I sell things, so that helps me and my business out a whole bunch. Not sure how things work on the other side of reality.

Because millions of people doing a skilled job and legit making more money WOULD do that.

Forcing a business to pay unskilled labor that kind of money for entry level jobs isn't going to do anything but raise prices. Dude...what are you thinking?

And by the way...teenagers wouldn't buy memberships to our paysites anyway.

kane · 08-06-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Millions of additional people making more money equals millions of people with extra money to buy things.

I sell things, so that helps me and my business out a whole bunch. Not sure how things work on the other side of reality.

The thought is that if you start paying McDonald's employees $15 per hour then the guy who is making $15 per hour for a much harder job will want $25 per hour and the guy making $25 per hour will want $40.

It won't be long until wages go up across the board and with them prices will go up across the board, so you might have more money in your pocket, but everything costs more so you don't have any real increased buying power.

Barefootsies · 08-06-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And by the way...teenagers wouldn't buy memberships to our paysites anyway.

Correct. Nor are die hard democrats going to magically flip to become a republican, among many other examples. The point being, that you should focus your time and energy on those who are WILLING to pay for porn. Stop wasting your time with those who won't or don't. It's a fool's errand.

Clips4Sale has proven for a decade plus that people are willing to pay for porn, and even pay more for a single clip than a monthly membership costs with access to hundreds or thousands of clips for the same money. You should be focusing in on THOSE paying customers instead of trying to force free loaders and broke ass jokes into paying.

rocky1234 · 08-06-2013, 02:01 PM

I don't really see the problem with paying people $15 per hour to flip burgers. That's still subsistence level in the united states.they not gonna get rich. but the thing is, as long as there are people that will work for less then the companys have no incentive to increase the pay.

08-04-2013, 07:30 AM	#111
Eric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Helm! Posts: 8,818	I worked at McDonalds as a kid, the majority of the people I worked with fit into two categories: A) Kid in high school that needed a job with flexible hours B) Adult that didn't or barely finished High School and didn't do shit with their lives In most cases the workers from A were the ones that actually worked the hardest. Now, of course, this was 20+ years ago, and many kids I see these days are lazy fucks too because of Mommy and Daddy putting them on a pedestal and telling them constantly that their shit doesn't stink. So hard work never enters their blood stream. With all of this said there was an article posted back in march that has resonated with me since I first read it back then. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...t-you-pay-for/ Harold Myerson writes in a terrific piece published in today’s WashPo— “One lesson that emerges from the experience of low-end retailers is that putting workers in crummy, low-wage jobs tends to yield crummy service as well. McDonald’s earnings have fallen, the Wall Street Journal reports, and a management webcast to franchise owners acknowledged that customer dissatisfaction is rising in part because “service is broken.” Myerson adds, “Some of the most successful retailers follow a different path. As MIT management professor Zeynep Ton argued in Harvard Business Review last year, Costco and Trader Joe’s pay their workers far more than many of their competitors, offer their employees opportunities for promotion and enjoy markedly lower worker turnover and far higher sales per employee than their low-road counterparts. Sales per employee at Costco are nearly double that at Sam’s Club.(emphasis added)” One of those things that makes you go hmmmm... __________________ No One

08-04-2013, 08:42 AM	#116
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Saw a guy on the news late last night saying that there are 3 million TRADE jobs available in the U.S. right now. But people aren't qualified to take them. He said that Caterpillar is practically begging for qualified heavy engine mechanics right now. Pay STARTS in the $40,000 + range. After 2 years you can be making $120,000 a year. But there aren't enough trained people who went to a vocational "tech" school as opposed to a university to fill those positions. And the irony is that vo-tech schools are really cheap and easy to get in. He also pointed out that people who learn "trades" can't be "outsourced". You can't outsource that mechanic to China. You can't outsource a plumber that comes to your home to fix a leak (and if you've hired one lately then you KNOW they make great money). If people don't want to work an entry level fast food job that is designed for high school kids...there are options to become a SKILLED laborer and learn a trade and make a great living. Also...everyone over 18 should start voting and get rid of all these lifetime politicians who are magically rich while the country goes to hell and nobody can find a good job...and even if they do they get taxed almost half of everything they make (sales, local, state, fed) __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

08-04-2013, 08:47 AM	#117
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,915	I worked fast food for seven years. At first it was because I needed it. Later on I got a much better job, but still worked part time because fast food was fun. It was a great place to meet chicks - in fact, that's how I met my wife. I did some volunteer work a while back, running a food booth for our local charity for eight hours at a concert (Journey in fact). It kicked my ass. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

08-04-2013, 08:49 AM	#118
PornoMonster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,257	Sounds good, but everything else will slide to the correct price, thus making it .... You make the same %... If you set Min wage at X amount, guess what you are still the Bottom, and once EVERYTHING YOU buy increases the small X amount suggested, guess what, the money is back to the TOP of the Stock Holders and Businesses.... I guess you can keep it local, ma and pop stores, and also the local Drug Dealers, which now will charge more.. __________________ $6 a Month 4 Blade Razors, 4 Cartridges, Includes shipping! Domains 4 Sale CashForVideos.com - Pussy.biz - FootPorn.com - SoloMovie.com - CollegeGirlCams.com - AmateurCamGirls.com - PR3 4 Letter Domain

08-04-2013, 08:49 AM	#119
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Rochard...I'd like a quarter pounder with cheese combo please. Make it large with coke to drink, and an apple pie as well. See ya at the drive up window. lol __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

08-04-2013, 06:55 AM	#106
bushwacker Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: so. fla. Posts: 2,817	Well you can certainly tell in this thread who has, or had owned a small business, and who hasn't.

08-04-2013, 07:32 AM	#112
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,152	Flipping burgers used to be a part time job for teens that gave them extra money and served as an example of why they needed to have a good education or trade. Not a way to support a family. Again, society is lowering the bar for those that don't take personal responsibility to make themselves valuable in the marketplace.

08-04-2013, 08:58 AM	#124
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08-04-2013, 09:05 AM	#125
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08-05-2013, 01:10 AM	#134
winter_ So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Seattle Posts: 750	if they can afford to, why not. but then it might be successful and it will help their business because i will see another mcdonalds open up two blocks down the road from the other one.

08-06-2013, 11:42 AM	#137
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	The Magical World Where McDonald's Pays $15 an Hour? STORY HERE

08-06-2013, 11:48 AM	#138
DomainPimpMark Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 76	As far as I'm concerned, McD's fine dining, pay dem hoes what dey worf. __________________ Mark Bowles - Chief Ambassador DomainPimp - We Got What You Need - Open a Player Account & Get Busy Buy & Sell Hot Domain Names - ICQ: 605992802 - Email: mark 'at' domainpimp 'dot' net

08-06-2013, 11:53 AM	#143
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	There are other reasons but the biggest reason is basically that many people on the right would be jealous of the fast food workers. True, if you stop and think about it. __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

08-06-2013, 12:01 PM	#144
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,912	So now they will get 15$ an hour to do as little as they can and bitch about still not making enough. and if you think thats the only increase will be about 68 cents you are quite wrong. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

08-06-2013, 12:01 PM	#145
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Millions of additional people making more money equals millions of people with extra money to buy things. I sell things, so that helps me and my business out a whole bunch. Not sure how things work on the other side of reality.

08-06-2013, 02:01 PM	#150
rocky1234 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 274	I don't really see the problem with paying people $15 per hour to flip burgers. That's still subsistence level in the united states.they not gonna get rich. but the thing is, as long as there are people that will work for less then the companys have no incentive to increase the pay.