arock10

Well I am with you on the universal healthcare from that other thread. Healthcare is a whole different broken system

You get sick, can't afford healthcare because you make $9.67 an hour, can't work at your mcdonalds job because you are sick so you get fired, lose your lease... hey then your just homeless heh.

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This is some females second form of income to the household.
If not, again the company should pay for that females bad decisions?

But hey, if they do not make poverty level, the gov makes up for that....

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kane

I recently read that the average Walmart that employs 300 people will also cost the taxpayers between $900K and $1.7 million per year in public benefits.

The reason is that the wages are so low that the people working there also get food stamps, housing assistance, likely daycare assistance, medical coverage and maybe even cash.

To me that seems pretty crazy!

Barefootsies

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Is there a copy of that with better resolution? I'd like to send it to my mailing list of 6000+ internet marketers. Give them a little push.

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Barefootsies

You don't seem to catch on to Robbie's point and just keep pointing to excuses the sheeple use before asking for their next entitlement.

When you get a job, your goal should be to acquire skills and advance, the same as when you attend college or go to school. This is about acquiring knowledge or skills that you can better use in your life to your own advantage. Whether it's a car salesman, fry cook, lawn boy whatever. Your goal is to learn everything you can (assuming you like this profession) and then either try and get a promotion if one's available, or use those skills to leap frog to the next job, better pay or position, and standard of living. The point being, your goal should not be set at 32 year old fry cook for 5 years.

Why is this concept so hard to understand? You work, you apply what you've learned, you then move on to the next gig that should pay more, or be more rewarding then the last. This is not mystery science theatre. Life is about learning everything you can and applying what you have learned to give you a better advantage.

Of course, this takes time, patience, and WORK. Something few seem willing to do.

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Robbie

What the fuck are you talking about "bust your ass"???

Look...I could go out and dig fucking ditches in the hot sun and make minimum wage. THAT is "busting your ass". And it's worth about minimum wage.

Taking my order at the fucking drive thru window is not, has never been, and never will be "busting your ass".

How much does it take to get through to you that "YES" minimum wage is paid for jobs that require NOTHING but the minimum ability???

And "YES" if a person is good at their job, stays with it a long time, and REALLY busts their ass...they can move up the chain and make more money.

What is wrong with that simple idea? Entry level job...minimum pay. I don't give a fuck how old you are...it's asking me if I want "fries with that". It doesn't deserve even minimum wage.

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SBJ

some people do not want to listen to anything but this speaks volume to what is wrong with fast food. According to most posters here they think a unskilled cashier is only worth $7.25 and if they want a livable wage they should work harder..

Ok so that unskilled worker works his or her ass off to get promoted to shift manager and STILL makes under $10 per hour. A manager is not a unskilled job.

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Define "livable" wage, please.

If they had an "unlivable" wage, would they be dead? Would they be homeless? Cause it seems like this has been going on for some time now and they're all still alive and doing just fine.

The cost of food and shelter is independent from what McDonalds pay their workers. Feel free to blame the Government for their involvement in monetary policy that's led to a higher cost of living. $7.25/hour would be more "livable" (whatever that means) if everything wasn't so expensive.

And maybe they should work their ass off trying to find a better job. It takes a special kind of stupid to suggest the sole act of "working your ass off" (how hard can you work at taking orders and flipping burgers?) should equate to an increase in wage.

SBJ

I would say read it yourself but since you can't even read my post I know you won't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage

So a managers job isn't a better job? They have to wear a shirt and tie yet they still make under $10 per hour

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This thread kind of kicks ass.

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Barefootsies

You are muddying the water with your fodder.

The actual store manager of a McDonalds, you know... the one with all of the responsibility in regards to where the buck stops.... they make considerably more than $10.00 an hour and obviously have a lot more to their "job" that just being the 'P.O.C.' or shift manager.

What I mean is, you need to accurately look at their responsibilities and what work they do in regards to their pay. Obviously McDonalds does, and you can see clear as day the difference in their pay checks.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/McDo...aries-E432.htm

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I like how you, Robbie, and Minte continue to preach as if it'll make a difference.

Some people say they are glad others don't work hard because it makes everything easier for them. While immediately this is true, human civilization suffers because of it. You dupe people into some schemes and it only causes a rippling effect in the economy.

Despite the hard cold facts, people will continue to buy into get rich schemes.

I live in central Iowa, near Iowa Stat University, and a guy named Dane Maxwell attended some of the same social clubs that I'm currently in (Toastmasters among them).
His podcast is the most downloaded of all of Pat Flynn's Smart Passive Income podcast episodes.

no ideas no expertise no money business plan

The idea was to go out, find a need in the market, and then hire people to do all the work for you and possibly get them to take a cut from your business plan instead of upfront payment. From all my experience, unless you are a developer that is overly charitable or completely unwise with your time, that would be a terrible choice with just a random individual.
Though it had some interesting points, it was fundamentally flawed, and even though in it's relative infancy the program he runs has yet to produce anyone with stellar success.

My point is the same with diet and exercise books, there are tweaks and fundamental principles, but you get to a point where you just need to execute. How simple is it to understand: eat less, burn more?
With the exception of inheritance I have yet to meet anyone who was very wealthy who didn't work at least 60-90+ hours a week.

Barefootsies

Pearls before swine.

True dat. Funny how that works.

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I currently make mid 5-figures/month and spend less than $1,000/month.

Here's what my budget looks like:

$200/month -- Food -- I get fruits, vegetables and poultry delivered by Safeway. Once a week, $50 each time.
$125/month -- Health Insurance Premiums -- Employees get H.I through their employers (add that in to their wages)
$35/month -- Virgin Mobile cell service
$19.99/month - Internet
$400/month - Rent (because rooming saves money)
$0/month - Car
$0/month Car insurance
$0/month Cable TV
$<$50 Entertainment

If I was literally working at McDonalds I would:

Switch to pay as you go cell service and only use it for important calls.
Cancel my internet (McDonalds has free Wi-Fi )
I'd stop buying organic food and only buy in-store (delivery cost $6)
I'd rent a tiny room -- cut my rent down to $200 - $300/month.
Use only public transit

And this would all last a few months before I went through a temp agency or somewhere that could get me a new job ASAP that pays better.

Or, I could be stupid, sit at McDonalds, complain all day, shake my fist at the sky and think the world owes me something.

Eschaton

Also note: I wear shoes from 2011. Old beat up tennis shoes. In November of last year I finally bought new clothes (about $300 worth) but it'd had been roughly 4 years. I use bio-degradable laundry detergent that lasts absolutely forever and your clothes stay vibrant and don't get worn like they would with mainstream stuff.

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Robbie

Fuck...I don't know anymore.

People in this thread actually think that it's a great idea to pay a guy taking my order at a McDonald's drive thru $15 an hour. Un-fucking-real.

I don't know what else to say.

I've already pointed out that a job that requires unskilled labor is compensated as such. But no...in today's America, everybody should get paid a "living wage" just because...and no other fucking reason.

No wonder it's so easy for me to wander through life and run circles around so many people. It's not because I'm so "good". It's because most of the rest of you are so damn sorry assed.

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topnotch, standup guy

All things considered, why is that way back in 1960's, when the minimum wage had a hell of a lot more purchasing power than it has now, the economy was doing so well?

Why is that?

Were the rich not really rich back then perhaps?

Or was it maybe because the not-so-rich had more discretionary income to pump back into the economy?
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Barefootsies

I am pretty sure you already knew this however. If you have spent any amount of time talking to others outside this industry, whether friends...family... or complete strangers who are bawling in your ear about their dreams that will never happen from the barko lounger. After listing to their whining, you tell them how easy it is to make good money if they would just do this this and this, go here there and so forth. Whether it's something online, or their own ideas. I know I have done this a hundred times if not more for friends, or complete strangers. They could be making $1/5/10k in 60-90 days if they would just do these steps and actually follow through.

Instead of giving you ONE reason why they CAN, they have dozen of excuses why they CAN'T. You can't help those types.

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That's exactly the point. The Government's intervention into the economy has distorted everything and now people want businesses to compensate for mistakes they didn't even make.

Robbie

I keep seeing people writing that on here too. And though I don't want to be anecdotal... Can ANYBODY name one person who is working a job at Walmart and is on welfare?

I don't know any. The people at the Walmart in South Carolina where I lived were mostly older ladies working the checkout. Yeah...they got "govt. assistance", because they were already on social security. A lot of them were widowed and got their dead husbands social security as well. And yep, they were older and were on Medicare as well.

Those stats are trying to make it sound like these people are 30 year old healthy, smart, vibrant people working these jobs and are so beat down by "the man" that they have to go on the govt. dole even though they are working their little hearts out.

And that is bullshit. They are skewing those stats. I dare anybody on here to go to Walmart and find a young person working who is on Welfare (and isn't the crippled guy greeting you at the front of the store).

They are taking all the old people (and the handicapped, because Walmart hires them more than any other company) and skewing those stats with the money those folks ALREADY would get from the govt. no matter where they work.

People need to start reading between the lines and seeing the agendas of the people who come up with such bullshit.

The people pushing that Walmart crap are the fucking unions who stand to make hundreds of millions of dollars if they can only get Walmart unionized.

It's misinformation put out to the people to try and bully Walmart.
I guess back in the "old days" the union would have simply had their mafia bosses send in "the boys" and make Walmart an offer they couldn't refuse.

Fucking crooks.

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Robbie

I have tried to help dozens of people over the last 17 years when I first got in this business.

And I came from playing in a touring rock band 7 nights a week, making $200 a week. I LEARNED how to live with that "unlivable wage" (what a crock of shit that term is).

Once I got into the adult entertainment industry I found a million ways to make money online.

Hell, we used to make a fortune selling leads for people to sign up for American Express.

But no matter what I tried to do to help people...not ONE of them listened. Not one.

Not anybody in my family. And not one of my friends.

And I did everything I could to help them...including hiring some of them. And even then, I couldn't get them to take a deep breath and jump into the deep water. They all wanted to be taken care of and get a weekly paycheck.

Stupid.

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SBJ

I never said they should be paid $15. I think they should start out at $10 or $11 with the lower managers making close to $15 (again a manager is a skilled job)

I look at it like this. When I was a teenager in the 80's I had a few fast food jobs till I went to a factory job after HS. The min wage I was paid back then paid for 3.5-4 gallons of gas. Today's min wage barely pays for 2 gallons of gas. So it is clear that the min wage has not went up with the cost of living.

I never said you should be able to fully support yourself on a mcd starting wage...

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That is the world in which we live. No one wants to LEARN how to catch a fish. They want you to bust your ass doing all of the work, and then you just GIVE THEM a fish "just because" you can afford to do so.

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Not sure I get your point.

It was the government that set the minimum wage way back then when the economy was booming and continued to do well for quite some time thereafter.

Admittedly, we had a functional government back then, but that's neither here nor there with respect to this discussion.
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Barefootsies

If you're working a minimum wage job, you are going to have to sacrifice period.

- Move back home, assuming your parents still alive.
- Get a roommate(s)
- Car pool. Ride the bus.
- Shop at 2nd hand stores
- Use free wi-fi hot spots
- Learn to cook at home and cheaply

My point is, you can easily cut your expenses by 75% if you had too. Most people do not want to make these sacrifices. They would rather drive their OWN car (gas, insurance, car payment) and live in their OWN place (100% of rent, utilities, food, etc.), have their OWN high speed internet connection to check email ($19-50.00/month), be able to eat out at Red Lobster, or order pizza a few times a week, etc..

The point being, you can cut a lot of that out or pool your money for savings to get your own shit or greater buying power. Sure, I did not like doing those things either when I had too, but I did. It can be done. People just do not want to make those sacrifices and instead want a handout so that they can enjoy a standard of living on their terms without working for it.

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The only time I really like this scenario is this culturally induced mentality makes it
very easy to pick up beautiful young girls. Granted you'd never want to marry one
of them.

Also, since when did paying for everything count for nothing?

johnnyloadproductions

I'm guessing this thread is cathartic to you, considering you live in Michigan where there has been a mass exodus of people that were highly paid but for the most part not very skilled.

The other part that sickens me are entitlements. I love stories where everyone at a shop banded to get it unionized, come to work one morning and the plant is closed down.
A weld shop I worked at for a couple years would find ways to get rid of people who even thought about it. Granted a union is good in some instances, but if a company is underwater, it's a ball and chain to the bottom.

Barefootsies

What's happening in this state has nothing to do with me. Most of that is on the other side of the state and has little bearing on what goes on over here on the west side other than having to hear the news stories. Most of the industry on the west side has little to nothing to do with the automotive industry. It's not to say there is absolutely nothing here, but those jobs around here (auto parts) were never high paying in the first place.

The only relation this thread has for me, much like Robbie, is that we have worked hard and sacrificed to get where we are in life and enjoying some level of comfort from that focus and dedication. If you have actually done this yourself, and gotten to the point of some security, you become infuriated that others are constantly making excuses why THEY can't do it, or feel that they should get hand outs/entitlements "just because", or $15.00 an hour for minimum work and effort on the back of others who are more successful.

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Apologies, shouldn't assume.

Still enjoying all the posts.

kane

The article I read mostly quoted a study that showed the almost all of the government help came in the form of various food assistance programs.

The people who work at Walmart make very little so those that have kids in school, their kids qualify for the free or reduced meal programs. In many states they offer free breakfast and lunch. The other costs came from earned income credits on taxes for low income people, medicaid health insurance for low income people, energy assistance, food stamps, section 8 and/or other housing assistance.

While some of this like housing assistance, food stamps and energy assistance can easily mean older people, the child care, child lunch and tax stuff is aimed at people with kids who are poor.

I have no idea what the breakdown is by age group, but the big costs were housing, child care and food assistance which means a good amount of this money is going to the non-elderly. I have no doubt in my mind that there are a decent number of people working at walmart for small wage, but they get enough government assistance that they live a reasonable life and have little motivation to work harder and move up the ladder.

Robbie

kane, go into Walmart and look at the employees. Ask yourself...does that mesh with what you read in those stats?

Do I know people with kids who work at Walmart? Yes. Do their kids get "free lunch" at school? I have no idea. I do know that the girls I know personally at Walmart who have a kid, have enough money to go out to the local bars and to eat out at restaurants and even buy a little weed.

They also get employee discounts on everything in Walmart (which is pretty sweet...I've done some Christmas shopping at K-Mart by giving a friend of mine the money and made out like a bandit with her buying everything with her discount)

I'm not going to subscribe to this b.s. that people with jobs are being mistreated somehow because they are ringing you up at the cash register at Walmart or taking your order at McDonalds.

Why aren't you and I doing that? Why aren't you and I working at Walmart or at McDonalds?
Because we had bigger things in mind. And our money that we make shows it.

Just like a doctor makes more than a guy paving the road. Does the guy paving the road work "harder". You bet your ass he does. But that doesn't mean he "deserves" as much money as the doctor who has the intelligence and the education and skills.

One thing is for sure...99.99% of the people are "worker bees". I don't know why that is. But I'm glad of it. Makes it easier for ambitious people to rise up.

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kane

I actually think the handouts are helping to keep these people in the lower wage jobs and they are also helping to keep wages for jobs like this down.

A while back I watched a documentary about poverty in the US. One of the people they followed was a woman who admits she was dumb and got knocked up at 18. Right after her kid was born the kids dad went to jail for a long time.

Three years later she gets married to another guy. They end up having three kids together and for 5-6 years lived a very normal, happy life. They both worked, made a decent living and had a normal middle class life. Then one day he decided he didn't want that anymore and left. Just disappeared. She has no idea where he is. From time to time he pops up on the state's radar when he starts working and they take money from his checks to pay back child support, but then he quits the job and disappears again. He is a deadbeat.

She has a full time job working at an assisted living center. She doesn't make much and has 4 kids so she gets food stamps, housing assistance (they live in a nice 4 bedroom house) daycare assistance and other things so she lives a decent life with all of these government programs.

At her job she started coming up with some good ideas for actives for the residents. Her boss was so impressed that she offered her a huge promotion. The company has 8 different facilities. She would be in charge of the activities for all of them and oversea the people at each place that worked with the residence. It was a big pay increase. She sat down and crunched the numbers and realized that if she took the job she would make too much and no longer qualify for her aid. If that happened it would be the equivalent of a 25% loss in pay. She went to her boss, explained the situation and her boss told her that if she had a bachelors degree she would be a in a different pay grade and they could pay her more for this job and she would get better raises so her starting pay would be about the same as the combination of benefits plus wages that she has now and it would increase as she got raises. So they agreed to promote her, but not give her a raise and the company paid for her to got to school. When she got the degree she would get the big raise and a bonus check that would make up for the lack of a raise now, but for now she could stay on the benefits while getting the degree.

She came right out and said she likely wouldn't have taken the job had they not given her the option of going back to school because she didn't want to lose her government aid. I think that is prevailing thought for a lot people. I would bet there are plenty of younger people working at walmart making a shitty wage and getting plenty of government handouts and the combination of the two of them allow them to live a decent life so they don't have a lot of motivation to go out and do better.

I grew up in a small town where there were a decent number of poor people. I was on the free lunch program because we were poor and I would guess that at least 50% of the students were was well. I would guess that those who work at Walmart and are the sole bread winners for their houses and have kids are getting food stamps and free lunches and other things. Some may be getting more than others, but I would not be at all shocked to see it.

Sorry for the long ass post. It is 3am and I am rambling.

arock10

According to that link the average McDonalds store manager makes under $15 an hour, $40k a year.

So you can bust your ass at min wage, then eventually move up to $9.76 an hour which is $20k a year. And then waaaay down the line you can finally manage a whole store on salary for $40k a year. Which is probably a lot more then 40 hours a week.

And only then the lower middle class dream can finally be achieved.

We the taxpayers are subsidizing these corporations low wages. They pay them below a liveable wage, then they require government aide to survive in various forms. So who pays... the tax payers. Yea thats YOU

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arock10...where do you keep getting this "bust your ass" bullshit?

NO guy at McDonalds asking me for my order over the drive thru speaker is "busting his ass".

He's doing an unskilled job that requires no education, no skills, nothing...and he does it sedentary in air conditioning without even breaking a sweat.

And again...what McDonalds workers are getting "govt. subsidies"??? Maybe the retired guy or lady who is bored and wants to supplement their Social Security Checks. But they get that money ANYWAY.

The young people working their first jobs there shouldn't be getting govt. subsidies.

And the few stone cold stupid people that work there in their 30's and can't figure a way to move up the ladder past fry cook don't DESERVE any more money.

Why the fuck does McDonalds have to be responsible for those people? They already give them employment.

You seriously are off base on this. NOBODY at Mc-Fucking-Donalds is "busting their ass" and an entry level job asking me if I want fries with that isn't even worth minimum wage.

Think about that. And don't tell me about my tax dollars "subsidizing" them. I think that comes from skewed stats that don't differentiate the retired folks who work there for extra money.

Also...IF my tax dollars help some of those people...then so be it. The U.S. govt. MIGHT spend 1/100th of 1% of our taxes on helping people.
They spend the rest of it on the military so we can kill people worldwide.

I'd much rather help some half-retarded dumb fuck who can't figure out how to do anything but take my order at McDonalds than to build one more drone to kill people with.

EDIT: I love how liberals will scream that the govt. doesn't spend much money on welfare when fiscal conservatives complain about it. But when they want to go after "evil" corporations...they pull out the "welfare card" like it's a huge expenditure that we must stop. lol

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arock10

http://thecontributor.com/economy/wh...nald%E2%80%99s

Again, by paying them less, they double their profits at the taxpayers expense.

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I'm just saying raise the min wage a few bucks to bring it in line with cost of living increases. I don't care if its the easiest job ever, the minimum wage has been in decline since the 1970s.

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Then why don't all those people quit and find a better job?

And how much money does Walmart SAVE the "taxpayers" when you shop there. Oh, I guess they don't put that into the equation. Or how much Walmart pays in local, state, and federal taxes for that store. Oh, left that out too.

No, I'm not mad at them. I'm bewildered that you are eating up this pro-union lobbyists horseshit without questioning it at all.

The govt. said it so it MUST be true!
Think about that while they spy on you, search you at the airport, and take YOUR tax dollars and siphon it off to their cronies in the military industrial complex.

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arock10

I keep getting the "bust your ass" bullshit because I keep hearing how everyone busts their ass and moves up the ladder. Well, busting your ass and moving up the ladder doesn't improve a lot of peoples' situation

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But isn't one of the factors of cost of living increases caused by higher wages?

Fuel costs and higher wages are what drive that. I bought a coca cola at the 7-11. It was $1.89 for a single coke!

That same coke was 5 cents when I was a kid. And 20 cents when I was a teenager.

What "magic" happened that caused it to go up in price? Laws of economics say that when something is mass produced and sold it goes DOWN in price. But yet...that coke is outrageously priced.
I don't know how a kid can go to the store anymore and have a soda at those prices.

The cost of living just magically went up I guess. No reason. It just goes up....at least that's what the politicians seem to want us all to believe I guess.

Or could it be factors like the GOVT. printing so much money that the value of the dollar has dropped like a rock? Coupled with union demands, the cost of fuel to transport the product...and you have a 5 cent soda being sold for almost 2 bucks.

Must be McDonalds or Walmarts fault.

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Robbie

Yes it does and yes it can.

But one thing is for sure...sitting in the drive thru window at McDonalds to collect your paycheck and not doing anything over and above to stand out...will NEVER get you ahead.

In other words NOT busting your ass GUARANTEES you will not move ahead in life.

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/schoolrules.asp not bills words

SBJ

exactly! No one said they had to get $15 per hour.. The $15 originally was a bargaining chip for hopes of $11 or $12.

I've said it before but no one will listen.. in the 80's when I worked a min wage fast food job I was able to buy almost 4 gallons of gas with a hours wage but today the $7.25 barely buys 2 gallons. So common sense tells us that the cost of living is going up way faster than min wages.

Que the "well then go out and get a better paying job.." BS

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He said above EVEN the HEAD manager at mcd only makes $15 per hour! Now tell me how that is going to support anyone at a "skilled job" level?

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One of my theories is that people who are getting government money while working at these jobs have little motivation to quit and find better jobs because they are living a decent life on the government dollar.

Say for example you are a single mom working at McDonald's making $9/hr. Because you don't make very much you get food stamps, housing assistance, day car assistance, food assistance if you kid goes to school and energy assistance. Total your government money works out to the equivalent of making an additional $10 per hour so you are living the life of someone who is making $19/hr. If that is the case this person may have little motivation to try to find a job where they will make $13-$14/hr but because they make more and lose much if not all of their government money.

A friend of mine's sister is one of these people. She is 24 years old, healthy, in good physical shape and obviously capable of taking care of herself. She has a 3yr old daughter. She applied for welfare and gets $350 per month in food stamps, some cash (I'm not sure how much) and free health insurance. She then qualified for housing assistance. They told her they would pay up to $850 per month towards her rent and she had to pay any difference above or beyond that and if the place was less than that she had to co-pay $30 per month. The catch was that she had to work at least part time to get this. So she got a job working at some fast food place and only works about 20 hours per week. She moved into a 2 bedroom apartment and the government pays all but $30 of the rent. They also started giving her childcare money which she uses to pay one of her friends to watch her kid on the days she works.

So she barely works, yet lives in a nice apartment, has a car, has cable, internet, laptop, big screen TV, iPhone and dresses nicely. If you saw her walking down the street you would assume she was an average, everyday middle class mom. You would never guess she only works 20 hours per week flipping burgers.

She has zero interest in going to school or getting a better job or working more. Her job actually offers her more hours and she turns them down because if she makes much more money they will take away some of the welfare cash they give her. When I heard about this I was floored and from what I understand it is more common than you might realize.

Just to humor myself I went to McDonald's today for lunch. I went inside so I could get a decent look at the people working there. The manager is a guy I went to high school with and who graduated a year before me. I had seen him in here before and knew this. He has worked here since high school. I don't know how much he makes, but he is manager so it is likely in the $40K range. Of the remaining staff that I could see about half of them seemed to be high school age and the other half were adults. Not elderly, but people clearly in their 20's and 30's. I was a little surprised to see that many people of that age here.

Robbie

Ok, I think I'm on board with all of this giving unskilled labor more money!

Let's do it!

And...oh wait a minute, the cost of living has went up right? And yet I can barely charge $29.99 for a paysite membership (I used to charge $34.99).

I CAN'T raise my price. Porn is free.

This isn't fair!!! People should just give me money because I haven't been able to raise my price since 2008. So I am falling fast behind the "cost of living".

I demand that people voluntarily pay me $39.99 a month to make it "fair" so I can make the same amount of money with the cost of living factored in.

Let's all do it! This is gonna be GREAT!

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-Robbie
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