How do pornstars survive just making porn?

[slapass]

The pool of possible sites seems way to small to keep even the best looking girls active for long. I have some stars/actresses that I do the surfer thing of stalking them when they do new shoots and it seems one a month is pretty active. How can they survive on that? So let's say I miss 2/3. They are still under 10k/month when they are peaking.

[Sly]

Escorting.

[bean-aid]

Suck more dick... mo dick, mo money

[GAMEFINEST]

my red book

[iSpyCams]

Escorting, dancing, sugar daddies, solo sites, camming. They do whatever they can just like everybody else.

[JockoHomo]

Sucking cock and working a PinkBerry (sometimes at the same time)

Don't ask me how I know.

[ErectMedia]

Cams, Working the pole and Escorting wherever the shoot is

[signupdamnit]

If they are smart, cams. That's what I would be doing. If you can make $200+ a day camming from home there is no reason to do a hardcore shoot for $400 or whatever it is going for these days unless you like that.

I don't get why women would escort either if you can do cams and make the kind of money I hear about.

[VikingMan]

Privates and escorting mainly. The few girls who don't gravitate to broke abusive assholes get to keep their money.

[geedub]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If they are smart, cams. That's what I would be doing. If you can make $200+ a day camming from home there is no reason to do a hardcore shoot for $400 or whatever it is going for these days unless you like that.

I don't get why women would escort either if you can do cams and make the kind of money I hear about.

Pornstar escorts aren't backpage.com hookers. It costs more than $200 bucks to fuck one "as an escort".

[Captain Kawaii]

I wait for the $40 - 15 minute specials.

[Jim_Gunn]

For most of the new girls in the business, it's a very short term thing. Many last as little as a matter of a few days, weeks or a few months. And in that time as a cute new girl, they are often heavily booked up back to back to back as there are still quite a few companies and producers that shoot on a regular basis.

Most of them quit pretty quickly anyway for reasons having nothing to do with running out of work. For the minority of attractive models that truly want to sustain their careers as adult performers there's still a decent amount of work to be had if they have the looks and do good scenes, plus as mentioned they can supplement their income doing various things from escorting, stripping, webcamming, music videos and the like. Plus there's always Charlie Sheen and Russell Brand to pick up the slack.

[IceMaster]

Most work in McDonalds.

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I wait for the $40 - 15 minute specials.

takes me that long to pull my massive schlong out

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

For most of the new girls in the business, it's a very short term thing. Many last as little as a matter of a few days, weeks or a few months. And in that time as a cute new girl, they are often heavily booked up back to back to back as there are still quite a few companies and producers that shoot on a regular basis.

Most of them quit pretty quickly anyway for reasons having nothing to do with running out of work. For the minority of attractive models that truly want to sustain their careers as adult performers there's still a decent amount of work to be had if they have the looks and do good scenes, plus as mentioned they can supplement their income doing various things from escorting, stripping, webcamming, music videos and the like. Plus there's always Charlie Sheen and Russell Brand to pick up the slack.

Thanks for Charlie Sheen and his like. The bad news is I was thinking that in the old days there was no way to really find out where a girl had been as quickly as today. Hit a few tubes and you have most of her sets pretty quickly...

[MagicWand]

after reading and talking to many cam girls because i have no life i would say escorting there isn't anything those bitches aren't going to do for some tens of thousands of extra bucks from some ballers and business men!

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If they are smart, cams. That's what I would be doing. If you can make $200+ a day camming from home there is no reason to do a hardcore shoot for $400 or whatever it is going for these days unless you like that.

I don't get why women would escort either if you can do cams and make the kind of money I hear about.

There is no way a webcam girl makes the same as an escort

[sojproductions]

camming and sugar daddies, you'd be amazed at how much some guys will send to models, its an addiction for some.

[Spunky]

Nothing wrong with hiring a lady to escort you for the evening,especially if their hot

[NinjaSteve]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

For most of the new girls in the business, it's a very short term thing. Many last as little as a matter of a few days, weeks or a few months. And in that time as a cute new girl, they are often heavily booked up back to back to back as there are still quite a few companies and producers that shoot on a regular basis.

Most of them quit pretty quickly anyway for reasons having nothing to do with running out of work. For the minority of attractive models that truly want to sustain their careers as adult performers there's still a decent amount of work to be had if they have the looks and do good scenes, plus as mentioned they can supplement their income doing various things from escorting, stripping, webcamming, music videos and the like. Plus there's always Charlie Sheen and Russell Brand to pick up the slack.

Good info right there. I heard popular ones can do really well stripping. But I wonder what their life is like after 5-10 years once they exit the scene if they were not a "top 10" pornstar. Like.. Teen Kelly... do they get desk jobs, do people recognize them?

Originally Posted by IceMaster

Most work in McDonalds.

That makes a lot of money ... maybe ... http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/1117373-reasons-mcdonalds-workers-shouldnt-earning-15-20-hour.html

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by MagicWand

after reading and talking to many cam girls because i have no life i would say escorting

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

There is no way a webcam girl makes the same as an escort

Originally Posted by sojproductions

camming and sugar daddies, you'd be amazed at how much some guys will send to models, its an addiction for some.

Cam girls from Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Colombia, Philippines are in cams to make money from cams 50% and 50% to fish for "sugar daddies" who will send western unions just because she is cute, rarely they take a plane to meet (rarely escort). As a cam site we get *every single week* a note from studios that girl X was fired "because getting western union off site and off studio from the guys". We don't much care as a site (should we be the police?) but studios do.

Cams girls from USA, Canada, and esp. pornstars: since they are local to the customers (trip to meet is very small), they are in cams to make money from cams 1% and 99% to fish for "escort" and "sugar daddies". The fact you find pornstars in cams does not mean they do relevant money from cams, but this is a good promotion (as backpage now, and craigslist before) to find guys for "local stuff". Note: some guys send them lots of money without even want any sex, believe it or not... perhaps it is shy guys, or they would feel bad to betray wife, whatever, not every nerd have the courage to meet a pornstar; still some of these have the sillyness to send $500+ a month to pay the bills for just a "thanks".

[Choopa_Pardo]

Originally Posted by JockoHomo

Sucking cock and working a PinkBerry (sometimes at the same time)

That place has good frozen yogurt.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by geedub

Pornstar escorts aren't backpage.com hookers. It costs more than $200 bucks to fuck one "as an escort".

Porn star escorts in LA usually get $1,000 minimum. I chatted with a retired porn girl who's now pimping out current porn girls, and she tells me some of the really popular girls get >$2k/hr.

A couple years ago, a particularly beautiful porn girl was tweeting photos of her trip to Europe--staying in a luxurious villa, and partying on a multi-million dollar yacht. Her former agent (he fired her for escorting) told me she was "seeing" an Arab prince and was making $20k/day.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

For most of the new girls in the business, it's a very short term thing. Many last as little as a matter of a few days, weeks or a few months. And in that time as a cute new girl, they are often heavily booked up back to back to back as there are still quite a few companies and producers that shoot on a regular basis.

Most of them quit pretty quickly anyway for reasons having nothing to do with running out of work. For the minority of attractive models that truly want to sustain their careers as adult performers there's still a decent amount of work to be had if they have the looks and do good scenes, plus as mentioned they can supplement their income doing various things from escorting, stripping, webcamming, music videos and the like. Plus there's always Charlie Sheen and Russell Brand to pick up the slack.

I have a felling that they quit because they realize it is work.

.

[geedub]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I have a felling that they quit because they realize it is work.

.

Nothing like getting the pussy and quite possibly the butthole worn out on a full time schedule.

[Penny24Seven]

I have 5 girls that have worked with me for over seven years now and 4 of the 5 have made over half a million dollars. Lots of their friends have made over 100K working with them. I have been doing this for 13 years and now I only film 1 day a week.
I do not film content for sites. I might sell it in bulk after I have a lot but that is not what I do.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Brian837

I have 5 girls that have worked with me for over seven years now and 4 of the 5 have made over half a million dollars. Lots of their friends have made over 100K working with them. I have been doing this for 13 years and now I only film 1 day a week.
I do not film content for sites. I might sell it in bulk after I have a lot but that is not what I do.

This exactly what I am talking about. 500k/7 years is 70k a year. Or did you mean per year? But assuming lifetime then they made 200k the first year, then 100k, then less, then ... And seeing as how 18 year old's are not brain surgeons normally, they probably have 15 LV purses and no savings after the first two years.

Escorting has to be the norm or they would all have to working other jobs to keep food on the table.

[JP-pornshooter]

$2k/hr escorting - well perhaps for a select few but if you look at some of the sites promoting escort porn stars i think the real rate is 300-500 /hr.

most of the girl work the strip tour, matter fact many of them only do porn to get a bigger name to draw crowds stripping, this is where the real money is..

caming is on the bottom of the food chain, lots of hours and not so much $$ but you can do it without leaving your home.

eventually most girls find their way into a mainstream lifestyle, with a regular job and a family. i dont think they easily are discovered.. unless they have stalkers. many of the models i have shot over the years i would never recognize if i ran into them on the street.

[Penny24Seven]

Originally Posted by slapass

This exactly what I am talking about. 500k/7 years is 70k a year. Or did you mean per year? But assuming lifetime then they made 200k the first year, then 100k, then less, then ... And seeing as how 18 year old's are not brain surgeons normally, they probably have 15 LV purses and no savings after the first two years.

Escorting has to be the norm or they would all have to working other jobs to keep food on the table.

they make a little more as each year passes but I do not do it like others do. I have years of customers that buy custom videos from me, they pay good money and write the script. Girls have customers that want a new video once a week, month or whenever.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

$2k/hr escorting - well perhaps for a select few but if you look at some of the sites promoting escort porn stars i think the real rate is 300-500 /hr.

most of the girl work the strip tour, matter fact many of them only do porn to get a bigger name to draw crowds stripping, this is where the real money is..

caming is on the bottom of the food chain, lots of hours and not so much $$ but you can do it without leaving your home.

eventually most girls find their way into a mainstream lifestyle, with a regular job and a family. i dont think they easily are discovered.. unless they have stalkers. many of the models i have shot over the years i would never recognize if i ran into them on the street.

This ^^ They change their names and can't be found.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

$2k/hr escorting - well perhaps for a select few but if you look at some of the sites promoting escort porn stars i think the real rate is 300-500 /hr.

most of the girl work the strip tour, matter fact many of them only do porn to get a bigger name to draw crowds stripping, this is where the real money is.

A lot of girls escort during their downtime when they feature dance in other cities.

[nikki99]

sucking cocks

[Porno Dan]

I shoot as much or more than any single studio in Los Angeles.

Quite frankly the only porn 'stars' that make all of their income from scenes and scenes alone, are brand new girls.

Within a few weeks, to months at the most, the vast majority of them will meet other models who introduce the world of being a prostitute

[Zeiss]

Ever heard of Dubai?

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I shoot as much or more than any single studio in Los Angeles.

Quite frankly the only porn 'stars' that make all of their income from scenes and scenes alone, are brand new girls.

Within a few weeks, to months at the most, the vast majority of them will meet other models who introduce the world of being a prostitute

This seems to be the answer as it keeps getting repeated by those who would know.

[Trend]

Sidenote: I'm just stunned at the attitude around here toward the models. Maybe the comments are tongue in cheek but fuck.

Please don't take what I write below as a "know it all" statement. The only reason I can make these statements is because I work with entertainers and company owners. I'm a finance guy who dabbles online. I don't know jack shit about generating traffic or programming and less about the nuances of photography / videography & editing.

But I do know numbers.


Money From Scenes:

Maybe I just run in different circles but the women I call friends / clients have been in the industry for 3+ years minimum. They are all getting $1300 a scene minimum. They shoot as often as they want. I just got off the phone with someone who travels to LA every other month and stays for 16 days. She shoots 14 scenes and is always booked. That's $109K per year just from shoots. She's going on her 6th year.


Money From Cams:

I have a lot of experience with this one especially with porn star cams. I don't run the studio, I don't get a piece of the action.. I have just helped a number of them set their pricing, manage their finances, set up a company etc. If they put in 4 hours a day it's $500 minimum in their pocket before taxes. Even the non-porn stars who know how to cam make great money. What's great money? Well .. we helped a rather plain looking but polished housewife here in suburban hell set up her cam account etc. She is dedicated and cams M-F for 6 hours a day. She grossed $127k last year. That's more than her husband makes as a college professor.


Feature Dancing:

Club owners tell me that they are only booking "A" list talent right now. The economy has hit the clubs pretty hard so they are not taking any chances on booking anything but the "A" listers. The average rate here on the east coast for "A" listers is $450 per show and they are booking them for an average of 5 shows. A friend was in town featuring and she asked me if I could chaperone while she was here. Basically I helped her get to and from the club, hung out in the dressing room, helped her with wardrobe, set up the table between shows for DVD sales .. photos etc and helped collect / count the cash at the end of the night. In total, between her feature fee from the club and cash from DVD sales, dances etc she cleared $6800 over the 5 shows ( Th, Fri, Sat ). This number is consistent with what I see / hear from clients as well.

Escorting:

Not sure who said it but I swear I saw someone say $300 - $500 per hour. For any pornstar listed in lets say the Freeones global top 50 and who is working with one of the top few agents ... its $1400 / hr minimum. Question for you guys... there is a really negative tone when many of you talk about escorting.. why is that? The only difference between escorting and shooting scenes is the camera and who pays who IMO. The best escorts .. are priceless IMO. God love em! Now no one can escort 8 hrs a day but experience would indicate 2-3 clients a day for a 4-5 day tour. Lets call it an average of 18 booked hours per tour. That's a minimum of $25,200 per tour minus 15-30% to the "Tour Manager". The smart ones actually claim most if not all of this money.

Website:

This has radically changed in the past 5 years. I do a lot of financial pro-formas / forecasting / analysis. I see the numbers from the accountants. I'll put it this way ... there are exceptions to the rule but many "pornstars" on that Freeones global top 50 make $2500-$3500 / month from their sites.


Exit Strategy:

This is where many fall short. The smart women who treat this as a career can work a long time and make a lot of money. But all things come to an end. What they should all ask themselves is... Then What?

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Trend

Sidenote: I'm just stunned at the attitude around here toward the models. Maybe the comments are tongue in cheek but fuck.

Please don't take what I write below as a "know it all" statement. The only reason I can make these statements is because I work with entertainers and company owners. I'm a finance guy who dabbles online. I don't know jack shit about generating traffic or programming and less about the nuances of photography / videography & editing.

But I do know numbers.


Money From Scenes:

Maybe I just run in different circles but the women I call friends / clients have been in the industry for 3+ years minimum. They are all getting $1300 a scene minimum. They shoot as often as they want. I just got off the phone with someone who travels to LA every other month and stays for 16 days. She shoots 14 scenes and is always booked. That's $109K per year just from shoots. She's going on her 6th year.


Money From Cams:

I have a lot of experience with this one especially with porn star cams. I don't run the studio, I don't get a piece of the action.. I have just helped a number of them set their pricing, manage their finances, set up a company etc. If they put in 4 hours a day it's $500 minimum in their pocket before taxes. Even the non-porn stars who know how to cam make great money. What's great money? Well .. we helped a rather plain looking but polished housewife here in suburban hell set up her cam account etc. She is dedicated and cams M-F for 6 hours a day. She grossed $127k last year. That's more than her husband makes as a college professor.


Feature Dancing:

Club owners tell me that they are only booking "A" list talent right now. The economy has hit the clubs pretty hard so they are not taking any chances on booking anything but the "A" listers. The average rate here on the east coast for "A" listers is $450 per show and they are booking them for an average of 5 shows. A friend was in town featuring and she asked me if I could chaperone while she was here. Basically I helped her get to and from the club, hung out in the dressing room, helped her with wardrobe, set up the table between shows for DVD sales .. photos etc and helped collect / count the cash at the end of the night. In total, between her feature fee from the club and cash from DVD sales, dances etc she cleared $6800 over the 5 shows ( Th, Fri, Sat ). This number is consistent with what I see / hear from clients as well.

Escorting:

Not sure who said it but I swear I saw someone say $300 - $500 per hour. For any pornstar listed in lets say the Freeones global top 50 and who is working with one of the top few agents ... its $1400 / hr minimum. Question for you guys... there is a really negative tone when many of you talk about escorting.. why is that? The only difference between escorting and shooting scenes is the camera and who pays who IMO. The best escorts .. are priceless IMO. God love em! Now no one can escort 8 hrs a day but experience would indicate 2-3 clients a day for a 4-5 day tour. Lets call it an average of 18 booked hours per tour. That's a minimum of $25,200 per tour minus 15-30% to the "Tour Manager". The smart ones actually claim most if not all of this money.

Website:

This has radically changed in the past 5 years. I do a lot of financial pro-formas / forecasting / analysis. I see the numbers from the accountants. I'll put it this way ... there are exceptions to the rule but many "pornstars" on that Freeones global top 50 make $2500-$3500 / month from their sites.


Exit Strategy:

This is where many fall short. The smart women who treat this as a career can work a long time and make a lot of money. But all things come to an end. What they should all ask themselves is... Then What?

Far be it from me to get in a pissing match with you, but for everyone you quote above, there are other stories.

Money From Scenes: Most of the talent I know don't make as much as you quote above or book that easily. And they are very hot and do good scenes. As most other posters say, some leave so quickly that it is difficult to get any additional marketing from them after a few weeks. Probably 50% of what is shot never makes it to the market.

Money From Cams: I'd say more like $50 an hour, based on models when they are honest, and discussions on stripperweb <admitted heresay.

Feature Dancing: Don't know shit about this, but again, on stripperweb, they don't seem too happy.

Escorting: $1400 may be what touring AGENCIES get, but the talent gets half or a little more than that. Regular escorts get ..... $300 - $500 even if they have done a few scenes. Unknown girls get $200/hr average.

Website: So many solo girl web sites have gone down, and so many never made money at all.

Overall I'd say your figures represent the top 10% of the market. Either that means you only work with the best (perhaps only they can afford your services) or perhaps that has simply been your experience.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I have a felling that they quit because they realize it is work.

[slapass]

I must not live near the feature dancing tour. I have never seen one here where I live in the Midwest.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Far be it from me to get in a pissing match with you, but for everyone you quote above, there are other stories.

I agree. I am not going to argue whether I believe that this guy's particular porn star clients or friends are making that much money. But he describes a situation with extremely business savvy models doing everything right and maximizing every opportunity available to them to the utmost. That's like asking what the "average" rock band signed to a major label contract makes and then using the Rolling Stones as an example.

[Jman]

Strip, Cam and escort. If they are lucky enough they will end up being one of Charlies Angels ;)

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Overall I'd say your figures represent the top 10% of the market. Either that means you only work with the best (perhaps only they can afford your services).

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

That's like asking what the "average" rock band signed to a major label contract makes and then using the Rolling Stones as an example.

Quote for truth.

[CaptainHowdy]

Why do you care on the first place??

[marcop]

Originally Posted by Trend

Money From Scenes:

Maybe I just run in different circles but the women I call friends / clients have been in the industry for 3+ years minimum.

You only know women who've been in the business a minimum of three years? Seeing as most girls are in and out of the biz in well under three years, that's hardly a representative sample. And although $800 is still considered that "standard" rate for b/g, I know of girls doing quick scenes for as low as $300-$500

[kane]

I saw an interview with a porn girl a while back who said she could make 10 times what she does in videos just feature dancing at strip clubs around the country. It means she is always on the road, but the money is great.

Back before I was ever in this business I went with some friends to see some porn girl who was appearing at a strip club. She came out, danced for about 20-30 minutes in a few different outfits and interacted with the crowd. I don't know what she was paid to appear,but she made several hundred in tips during the dancing then after she sold Polaroid pictures that she would take with you and then sign for $20 a pop. She had about 20 guys get pictures and several other guys bought her panties and other stuff she had. One guy ended up going to a private room for a private dance with her. No idea what that costs.

This was just the first to two shows she was going to do that night and she was there for three days.

She made some nice scratch that weekend.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Why do you care on the first place??

Just a surfer moment. I have favorites just like everyone and I noticed they were not that active and it seemed unlikely they were making much money.

[Trend]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Far be it from me to get in a pissing match with you, but for everyone you quote above, there are other stories.

Money From Scenes: Most of the talent I know don't make as much as you quote above or book that easily. And they are very hot and do good scenes. As most other posters say, some leave so quickly that it is difficult to get any additional marketing from them after a few weeks. Probably 50% of what is shot never makes it to the market.

Money From Cams: I'd say more like $50 an hour, based on models when they are honest, and discussions on stripperweb <admitted heresay.

Feature Dancing: Don't know shit about this, but again, on stripperweb, they don't seem too happy.

Escorting: $1400 may be what touring AGENCIES get, but the talent gets half or a little more than that. Regular escorts get ..... $300 - $500 even if they have done a few scenes. Unknown girls get $200/hr average.

Website: So many solo girl web sites have gone down, and so many never made money at all.

Overall I'd say your figures represent the top 10% of the market. Either that means you only work with the best (perhaps only they can afford your services) or perhaps that has simply been your experience.

No "pissing match" taken

Maybe I am working with an unusual group. I just don't see numbers anywhere near what you are quoting here.

[Trend]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I agree. I am not going to argue whether I believe that this guy's particular porn star clients or friends are making that much money. But he describes a situation with extremely business savvy models doing everything right and maximizing every opportunity available to them to the utmost. That's like asking what the "average" rock band signed to a major label contract makes and then using the Rolling Stones as an example.

I'm not saying that there aren't women making less in the industry but this list is not making less than that.

If any of them are.. they are either being scammed or they are doing something wrong.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Trend

I'm not saying that there aren't women making less in the industry but this list is not making less than that.

If any of them are.. they are either being scammed or they are doing something wrong.

Some of those girls aren't even in the business anymore. And for what it's worth, a lot of people in general, not just porn stars constantly "do something wrong" the entirety of their lives and never manage to put more than two nickels together at the same time.

[Trend]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Some of those girls aren't even in the business anymore. And for what it's worth, a lot of people in general, not just porn stars constantly "do something wrong" the entirety of their lives and never manage to put more than two nickels together at the same time.

Regarding "aren't even in the business anymore" .. you know what I meant though right?
The top 50 ...top 100 active.

My point does not have to do with what they keep .. my point is that the top women make more than what was being portrayed.

I truly desire that more of them keep and invest in their futures. Done wisely adult can provide them one heck of a future.

I'll put it this way.

There are more than 10 of those women on that list that own more than 10 properties. That's an exit plan.