Community Standards laws and TGP

[SleazyDream]

Ok, I'm going to pose a community standards idea here. It's for nude pics and hardcore couples and 3some sex scenes - nothing freaky - normal healthy sex fantasies.

I'm going to compare a clean TGP to satelite or Digital Cable TV.

The arguement is TGP is going down cause kids can access porn without proff of ID. Ok - well then why are mini-satelite and digital cable TV companies allowed to broadcast porn ?

Any kid can access a porn movie just by hitting the select key on the remote controll - no credit card required. Some cable providers even have hardcore porn channels included in cable packages. - even the smallest package allows a TV watcher to access porn with the click of a button on a remote without a credit card.

ohhh wait a second - you have to sign up to the cable company to get cable - .... you don't have to sign up to an internet provider to get internet access do you..... oh wait a sec...... guess that arguement don't work. One has to pay for their internet access just like one has to pay a cable/satelitte company.

ohhh - I know. Satelitte and cable companies have these systems that allow RESPONSIBE parents to block out certain channels for their kids.. ahhh - that's what makes porn on satelitte and cable acceptable.

funny thing is most any RESPONSIBLE parents can block out all legitimate TGPs on a computer with a similar option denying access to adult sites.

folks, what is going down is SPAM - Spam specifically uses sites not blocked out to get around filters and such. Spam tries to get at people who don't want to see adult programing and targets those who have taken steps to aviod it. Adult spam is sent to people who have never looked at an adult site in their lives blasting hardcore nude photos in their faces without concent.

The last time I heard fearless george address porn he was talking about Adult spam. I remember him saying grandma's and children were getting emails to adult sites. Any company involved in spam beware - that's where the hammer will fall.

[TheJimmy]

Very good points, and I agree...

Also why I'd suggest anyone wanting to stay in the email marketing game to ensure they only send out true adult members and opt-in lists...

sending raw harvested emails out to unsuspecting people is like getting nonadult listings on engines on purpose and sending those hits to a fisting site.... same concept...

[Dawgy]

sleazy ur logic is way too.... logical.... for our government to comprehend.

excellent post tho

[FATPad]

TOO MUCH FREE PORN! VIVA LA DIRECTTV2!

[Makingcoin]

Originally posted by SleazyDream
Spam tries to get at people who don't want to see adult programing and targets those who have taken steps to aviod it. Adult spam is sent to people who have never looked at an adult site in their lives blasting hardcore nude photos in their faces without concent.

I agree that adult spam is reaching people who have never looked at an adult site. But what about the mailers who mail to lists that have used their cc's before by signing up to an adult site?

Why would someone mailing adult sites want to target people that don't want to look at adult content? That makes no sense to me.

[Snake Doctor]

What's a TGP?

[FlyingIguana]

i hope you're right. i hope they go after companies and the spammers themselves. nail the bastards

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Makingcoin



I agree that adult spam is reaching people who have never looked at an adult site. But what about the mailers who mail to lists that have used their cc's before by signing up to an adult site?

Why would someone mailing adult sites want to target people that don't want to look at adult content? That makes no sense to me.

mailers are send to email address NOT PEOPLE- a husband bought a porn site but the wife may get the email and be forced to see porn spam even via a qualified email list. With a TGP or TV only the person who CHOSES to see porn sees it.

Choice is the difference - spam doesn't even give the person who choses to see porn the right to pick at what time they choose to be exposed to it. Eben a porn surfer doesn't want a big porn spam comming in when relatives are looking at the email pics he just got from grandma.


basically spam forces porn on people and even with the BEST lists porn IS forced on people who don't want to see it- with TGPs it's ONLY people who go looking for porn. BIG difference.

[.:Frog:.]

Governments need to pass strict anti-spam laws before we see spam slowdown.

[Interlude]

The difference is that satelite and digital TV porn are owned by major companies, and most porn sites are owned and operated by single folks or very small companies.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.
Governments need to pass strict anti-spam laws before we see spam slowdown.

they will come before porn laws - first will be porn spam laws

[titmowse]

i see your point.

[Juggernaut]

See the thing about spam is this: It's just like telemarketing, it's intrusive, annoying and rude. It should be made illegal. Anything that is forced on you, without your consent, adult content or not, should be made illegal.

There should be a new compliance law. Anyone collecting email address' on their website to send to their members, should be only allowed to collect from a secure server with a certificate of authenticity. The purpose of the certificate is so anyone can identify the remote computer.

For that matter, I don't see why all commercially driven mail can't be controlled by a single company or government body (by law), similar to regular paper mail (for example USPS in America). The purpose of this would be that the only people who receive mass mail, are those that have opted-into an agreement to receive such mail.

I like getting some e-mail, like webmaster news, online laws and other such things. Maybe free e-mail service providers should be restricted to a maximum of 2 outgoing e-mail sends at a time? with a limit between each send.

I know spam will be hard to defeat (there being send mail and programs made to automate a sending process), but let's face it, there are still a lot of loopholes that should be plugged up, especially when it comes to identifying and filtering unwanted content. Hosting companies should take some responsibility over a client of theirs that has a proven track record for spam.

By default, programs that allow e-mail to download from a server, should be set to prevent adult and otherwise obscene content. Like the filters they have in place (now) for regular mail to prevent bombs and other such hazards.

[models]

yes, if anything, it is the unsolicitied porn email spammers that will infuriate governments enough to take action against some kinds of adult content.

pushing porn unto the unwilling, or in many times minor children by email is morally repungnant. it gives the entire adult industry a black eye.

my minor children and elderly mother have email accounts.

and some asswipe will computer generate their email address every single day and send them shit with a cloaked header that looks innocuous.

and the kids and mom will open an email which automatically will open to an html page showing some sort of explicit or bizarre content.

and EVERYONE with an email address will receive this.

and this IS causing a HUGE backlash currently against the adult web business.

this isn't about censorship, this is about irresponsible marketers foisting their shit upon the unwilling, and i am not a prude.

[gothweb]

Here's a way to illustrate just how bad this is. Imagine if telemarketers did what spammers are doing:

Can you imagine the phone ringing, and its a phone sex line trying to make a quick sale with hardcore talk? Little Billy answers the phone, and they keep going.

Clearly porn spam isn't cool.

[Jer]

Very good points, SleazyDream.

[eroswebmaster]

Sleazy while most of your post is valid and brings up good points the main difference between cable/satellite and the net I would say is the accessability to hardcore.

I don't know how it's set up where you are but here and everywhere I've lived if you want to view the porn channel you have to access it via pay per view.

While anyone can access unlimited porn on the net for free.

A father or mother may not realize their kid is surfing such sites, and shame on them for not monitoring their kid's surfing habits, or putting things in place to limit such occurences...but I tell you what if the kid is accessing the porn channel on any cable system I've been a customer of the dad sure as hell will notice it at the end of the month when he gets the bill...especially when the rate is like $8.95 per viewing.

But I agree, there are far more important things that the Bush administration will consider before they go after TGPs IMO, but eventually there still is a chance they will go after those as well.

[Carrie]

I agree that unsolicited spam - of any type - is a PITA, and porn spam is bad on so many levels and for so many reasons.
I don't agree there should be one governing body that oversees mass mailings like the Post Office - just look at how inefficient and overbudget the PO is and you'll realize the folly of that pretty quickly.
As for the satellite - the only *porn* I've seen on it is only accessible via Pay Per View or by ordering a special add-on package (same with cable). There are some risque R-rated movies on there, though.

While spam might be the sooner target, I think any freely accessible hardcore is the target right behind it. (KP, rather than spam, is what I believe is the immediate target.)
And I welcome it... if cracking down on spammers is going to help our bottom lines, just imagine what getting rid of free hardcore will do.

The downside to that "wish" though is that anyone can get a server in the Netherlands and keep showing the money shots for free without fear of the law.

What do you guys think of regulating all porn to a .XXX TLD? (If they could, that is.)

[DyannaDoes]

The problem is, the US government doesn't even understand what they are getting into. And neither do most parents. Fine, shut down every .com adult site in the US . . . will the free porn go away? No. In fact, it'll get worse.

And that doesn't even get into the part of the equation that has to do with file sharing progams, email, etc.

[completetosser]

Fine, shut down every .com adult site in the US . . . will the free porn go away? No. In fact, it'll get worse.

I agree totally, not only would the free porn get worse, but the spam porn would probably double or triple overnight.

Personally, I think that if the government is going to crackdown on anything, it should be the scumbags peddling CP and the sickos who buy it.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Carrie
I agree that unsolicited spam - of any type - is a PITA, and porn spam is bad on so many levels and for so many reasons.
I don't agree there should be one governing body that oversees mass mailings like the Post Office - just look at how inefficient and overbudget the PO is and you'll realize the folly of that pretty quickly.

Actually the PO is it's own company it is not ran by the government.

Also don't believe the hype, it is quite profitable. Sure they tell you they are losing out on all that money from emails...lol but see they break their little company down into even smaller divisions...the one that handles Priority mail is seeing a lot of cash due to the internet.

Things such as eBay (hundreds of smaller clones out there), priority mail is still one of the cheaper ways to send a package, unless you're talking about real weighty items.

[Ramster]

Hardcore porn on TV. If you're in Canada just turn on one of the Movie Network channels on Saturday night. Most nights now it's hardcore with cock showing and penetration. AT 11:30! Not 2am but actually before midnight. That's fucked.