The anti-immunization people will love this

[baddog]

Somalia has an outbreak of polio; more cases than the rest of the world combined. 7 out of 10 children are not properly immunized.

[Harmon]

Who the fuck is anti-immunization?

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Who the fuck is anti-immunization?

People who prefer court cases over science, plain and simple .

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Who the fuck is anti-immunization?

wehateporn. The good news is that you know you're always on the right side of issues if you disagree with him.

[wehateporn]

105 cases in 7 months an outbreak? Pfff..what a joke! That's nothing compared to the recent 47,500 cases of a form of paralysis (twice as deadly as Polio) which Bill Gate's vaccines caused in India. The majority of the world's Polio comes from the Oral Polio Vaccine.

"?while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere [First, do no harm] was violated."

Indian J Med Ethics. 2012 Apr-Jun;9(2):114-7.


On another note, if you have your tonsils intact you don't have to worry about Polio.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Who the fuck is anti-immunization?

Youtube educated geniuses too young to remember all the people there used to be wearing callipers.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

On another note, if you have your tonsils intact you don't have to worry about Polio.

I used to get sore throats all the time as a kid until I had my tonsils removed.

[kane]

I love what Joe Rogan said about the anti-immunization crowd. He said a guy told him that he has hasn't had the vaccination for something (I don't remember the virus) and he has never gotten it so clearly it isn't needed. Rogan pointed out to him that the reason he hasn't gotten it is because everyone else is vaccinated so we aren't giving it to him.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by kane

I love what Joe Rogan said about the anti-immunization crowd. He said a guy told him that he has hasn't had the vaccination for something (I don't remember the virus) and he has never gotten it so clearly it isn't needed. Rogan pointed out to him that the reason he hasn't gotten it is because everyone else is vaccinated so we aren't giving it to him.

The anti-immunization crowd isn't the best at critical thinking.

[2012]

[Si]

Originally Posted by baddog

I used to get sore throats all the time as a kid until I had my tonsils removed.

I had the polio sugar cube, wasn't killed, still have my tonsils, had tonsilitis mutliple times, refused treatment.

TB, Polio, Measels etc. If you don't want to give your children a vaccine, good luck with that unless they live in a bubble.

They probably do though, so it'll work.

[noshit]

Originally Posted by baddog

Somalia has an outbreak of polio; more cases than the rest of the world combined. 7 out of 10 children are not properly immunized.

So duped and unawake. It's almost beyond belief.

[iwantchixx]

My ex had the polio vaccine when she was two years old and here's what followed starting within days:

1. Her brain shut down. Complete reset. As if the previous two years of her life never existed. An infant once again.
2. Her feet curled in, grotesquely.
3. Her back curved into an insane extreme case of spinebifida (sp?).
4. Her immune system was destroyed.
5. Doctors finally stabilized her by 4 years old and she had to relearn everything. Her mother would tell me that her daughter died and a new daughter was reborn once she was stabilized. not same person at all.

Turned out to be related to the use of mercury in the vaccine and she successfully sued the local government for enforcing the vaccine. Some people cannot handle it and it's been well documented. There's even newer evidence showing it may be the reason behind ADHD as well as the always-thought-about relation to other mental issues.

Is the vaccine worth it? For sure, it has stopped the spread of many epidemics but I do believe parents should have a right to choose since the risk is there for permanent physical and/or mental damages.

But.. it doesn't matter what proofs have been shown against vaccination, any evidence or personal experiences to prove such are met with people throwing tinfoil-hat comments at them. Don't believe everything your health professionals and governments tell you because like most of us, they're in the dark about it themselves and the good of the greater public outweighs the good of one individual who gets sick from it in a few thousand.

[Frank21]

Originally Posted by kane

I love what Joe Rogan said about the anti-immunization crowd. He said a guy told him that he has hasn't had the vaccination for something (I don't remember the virus) and he has never gotten it so clearly it isn't needed. Rogan pointed out to him that the reason he hasn't gotten it is because everyone else is vaccinated so we aren't giving it to him.

If those immunisations work so good and have no side-effect whatsoever. Why the fuck would you care or even force other people to get this shots?

what is it 48 shots for every american before they turn 18?

And hey what are those americans healthy and smart these days

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by baddog

I used to get sore throats all the time as a kid until I had my tonsils removed.

And I still have my tonsils so it's not for everyone.

[noshit]

"My ex had the polio vaccine when she was two years old and here's what followed starting within days:

1. Her brain shut down. Complete reset. As if the previous two years of her life never existed. An infant once again.
2. Her feet curled in, grotesquely.
3. Her back curved into an insane extreme case of spinebifida (sp?).
4. Her immune system was destroyed.
5. Doctors finally stabilized her by 4 years old and she had to relearn everything. Her mother would tell me that her daughter died and a new daughter was reborn once she was stabilized. not same person at all.

Turned out to be related to the use of mercury in the vaccine and she successfully sued the local government for enforcing the vaccine. Some people cannot handle it and it's been well documented. There's even newer evidence showing it may be the reason behind ADHD as well as the always-thought-about relation to other mental issues.

Is the vaccine worth it? For sure, it has stopped the spread of many epidemics but I do believe parents should have a right to choose since the risk is there for permanent physical and/or mental damages.

But.. it doesn't matter what proofs have been shown against vaccination, any evidence or personal experiences to prove such are met with people throwing tinfoil-hat comments at them. Don't believe everything your health professionals and governments tell you because like most of us, they're in the dark about it themselves and the good of the greater public outweighs the good of one individual who gets sick from it in a few thousand."



I hear this more often than not.
Sorry to be contrary to your opinion but Vaccines are Not worth it and they didn't stop 'shit' for any kind of 'epidemics'.
But excellent post and i hear you and your Ex's pain.

This thread starter who calls himself baddog has a lot of waking up to do.

Great Post

[baddog]

Apparently you failed to read what he said. "Is the vaccine worth it? For sure, it has stopped the spread of many epidemics . . . "

[baddog]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

And I still have my tonsils so it's not for everyone.

No shit?

[onwebcam]

In U.S., flu vaccine worked in just over half of those who got it
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...91K16D20130221

Considering it's a live virus I wonder how many contracted the flu from the vaccine itself? I'd say most. Especially since most get sick after receiving it.

[noshit]

Originally Posted by baddog

Apparently you failed to read what he said. "Is the vaccine worth it? For sure, it has stopped the spread of many epidemics . . . "

I didn't fail to read any thing. Sure it has. Just ask CNN.

[Frank21]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

In U.S., flu vaccine worked in just over half of those who got it
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...91K16D20130221

Considering it's a live virus I wonder how many contracted the flu from the vaccine itself? I'd say most. Especially since most get sick after receiving it.

flu is a different strand every year, while the flu vaccine is made for the flu of previous year.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Frank21

flu is a different strand every year, while the flu vaccine is made for the flu of previous year.

So you think that injecting live contractable virus' of other sorts doesn't cause outbreaks? It is admitted that many outbreaks are due to the vaccinated spreading it to the unvaccinated.

Polio outbreak sparked by vaccine, experts say
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21149823/n...e-experts-say/

I haven't been vaccinated for anything since probably 5th grade and had at most 5 in my life, just fine here. Mumps and measels? My parents made an effort for me to get them and again just fine.

[VikingMan]

The lead researcher for the HPV vaccine is warning about the dangers yet the willfully ignorant masses still think all vaccines are good.

Ok go ahead and pump your kids full of this shit. I don't give a fuck any longer. So many kids are all fucked up with peanut allergies, autism, brain damage, etc etc what is a few more million. I say give your kids a double dose of vaccines!

[kane]

Originally Posted by Frank21

If those immunisations work so good and have no side-effect whatsoever. Why the fuck would you care or even force other people to get this shots?

what is it 48 shots for every american before they turn 18?

And hey what are those americans healthy and smart these days

1. I never said they have no side effects.

2. I am not a doctor nor a scientist, but my understanding is that if everyone stopped getting immunized for many of these things we would once again see large outbreaks of them again like we used to. That is why we continue to immunize.

3. I'm guessing many American's are unhealthy because they have a diet that consists of 4,000 calories a day of sugar and lard, not because they got a polio vaccine.

4. There are stupid people everywhere you go in this world.

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

So you think that injecting live contractable virus' of other sorts doesn't cause outbreaks? It is admitted that many outbreaks are due to the vaccinated spreading it to the unvaccinated.

Polio outbreak sparked by vaccine, experts say
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21149823/n...e-experts-say/

I haven't been vaccinated for anything since probably 5th grade and had at most 5 in my life, just fine here. Mumps and measels? My parents made an effort for me to get them and again just fine.

You should test your theory out. Volunteer to go work in a place that is currently suffering an outbreak of something that you have not been immunized for. You should be just fine.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by kane

You should test your theory out. Volunteer to go work in a place that is currently suffering an outbreak of something that you have not been immunized for. You should be just fine.

I would say the same for you. Go hang out for a few days with a few people who have just been immunized with polio or anything else and not be yourself and get back with us.

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

I would say the same for you. Go hang out for a few days with a few people who have just been immunized with polio or anything else and not be yourself and get back with us.

I have never said the immunization process is perfect. I have worked places where they offered the flu shot for free, everyone in the office gets one and then a number of people get the flu. This is no shock to me. You have to be careful with how you administer the vaccines.

Still, I think they do far more good than harm.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

My ex had the polio vaccine when she was two years old and here's what followed starting within days:

1. Her brain shut down. Complete reset. As if the previous two years of her life never existed. An infant once again.
2. Her feet curled in, grotesquely.
3. Her back curved into an insane extreme case of spinebifida (sp?).
4. Her immune system was destroyed.
5. Doctors finally stabilized her by 4 years old and she had to relearn everything. Her mother would tell me that her daughter died and a new daughter was reborn once she was stabilized. not same person at all.

Turned out to be related to the use of mercury in the vaccine and she successfully sued the local government for enforcing the vaccine. Some people cannot handle it and it's been well documented. There's even newer evidence showing it may be the reason behind ADHD as well as the always-thought-about relation to other mental issues.

Is the vaccine worth it? For sure, it has stopped the spread of many epidemics but I do believe parents should have a right to choose since the risk is there for permanent physical and/or mental damages.

But.. it doesn't matter what proofs have been shown against vaccination, any evidence or personal experiences to prove such are met with people throwing tinfoil-hat comments at them. Don't believe everything your health professionals and governments tell you because like most of us, they're in the dark about it themselves and the good of the greater public outweighs the good of one individual who gets sick from it in a few thousand.

How long ago was this?
I have heard this was the case a long time ago, but since the amount of Mercury has been reduced, eliminated, or use a synthetic version of it.
It has reduced the shelf life of the Vaccine, but well worth it to remove the mercury..

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by kane

You should test your theory out. Volunteer to go work in a place that is currently suffering an outbreak of something that you have not been immunized for. You should be just fine.

I was just about to say this..... HA

[Petra]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Who the fuck is anti-immunization?

Well, I'd say a good majority living in the dutch bible belt since we're over 1,000 (mostly little kids) infected now.

[wehateporn]

By the way, it's not 'anti-immunization', it's anti-vaccine, there's a distinct difference between the two. A vaccine is an attempt to immunize, the clinical efficacy is based on how many people developed antibodies, in some cases over 90%, however antibodies are not immunity at the cellular level which is why many vaccinated people still catch the disease they were vaccinated against. Also vaccine-induced immunity expires, sometimes after as little as 5 years. Real immunity from catching a disease lasts a lifetime.

Watch from 17 Minutes 56 Seconds for 3 minutes

The late great George Carlin knew the score

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

By the way, it's not 'anti-immunization', it's anti-vaccine, there's a distinct difference between the two. A vaccine is an attempt to immunize, the clinical efficacy is based on how many people developed antibodies, in some cases over 90%, however antibodies are not immunity at the cellular level which is why many vaccinated people still catch the disease they were vaccinated against. Also vaccine-induced immunity expires, sometimes after as little as 5 years. Real immunity from catching a disease lasts a lifetime.

so the whole small pox being eradicated for decades in western countries was just a fluke? That disease killed infinitely more people than a vaccine has ever had.

is your goal here to harm people? It always seems like it.

[seeandsee]

Medicament industry fatal errors never paid up...

[donkevlar]

There are many different vaccines, it's not a cut and dry "they're all good" or "they're all bad". You can't compare polio to the flu to anything else.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

so the whole small pox being eradicated for decades in western countries was just a fluke? That disease killed infinitely more people than a vaccine has ever had.

is your goal here to harm people? It always seems like it.

Small Pox was eradicated through quarantine, at best the vaccines speeded the process up slightly, though they could spread Small Pox by themselves and also left people with nasty autoimmune diseases.

Australia and New Zealand didn't use Small Pox vaccine programs, yet Small Pox was still eradicated in both countries.

[scottybuzz]

wehateporn is just a troll.

there is no point arguing with him. he has been proven down right wrong many times.
If he is actually serious about what he says then he has a mental condition for sure.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by donkevlar

There are many different vaccines, it's not a cut and dry "they're all good" or "they're all bad". You can't compare polio to the flu to anything else.

Very true donkevlar

There are many people who go for a safer, reduced and spaced out vaccine schedule as is discussed on this website

http://www.smartvax.com/index.php?op...06&I temid=50

There are some obvious vaccines to avoid where the risk of the vaccine clearly outweighs the benefit e.g. Haemophilus Influenzae Type b (Hib) which can leave you with Diabetes Type 1. Flu vaccines are pointless, they're about as effective as sugar pills, Chicken Pox and Mumps are also silly vaccines for mild childhood illnesses. The Tetanus vaccine doesn't work, it leaves around 14 out of 100 Asthmatic (good news for Pharma sales) and is one of the most dangerous, Tetanus is only a risk if you've got severe burns or something else extreme, even then it can be treated with antibiotics.

[Tom_PM]

I don't think there's any "anti-immunization across the board for all time and for all ailments" crowd. I think that it's simply easier to dismiss a group when you paint them as total freaks though. Nobody in their right mind would be against all immunizations. Plenty in their wrong mind might be, but the same can be said of people who think the world is flat or who think that AIDS was created by the white man to kill blacks.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by baddog

Somalia has an outbreak of polio; more cases than the rest of the world combined. 7 out of 10 children are not properly immunized.

I've read you can get tuberculosis ridding the subway on LA