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signupdamnit · 08-19-2013, 05:06 PM

According to CNN Friend Finder Networks (AFF/cams.com) did $314.4 million in revenue last year.

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=FFNT

Since they are one of few publicly traded companies (though recently delisted from NASDAQ) they are one of few we have real revenue numbers for.

Name the other companies you think do more than them.

1. Manwin
2. CCBill ?
3. Gammae

What do you think about Verotel, Epoch, Zombaio?

No pissing here, please. Let's just identify the big guys and gals in the industry.

Just Alex · 08-19-2013, 05:09 PM

Talk about profit and not revenue. I heard FF stock was pulled off from NASDAQ

signupdamnit · 08-19-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Talk about profit and not revenue. I heard FF stock was pulled off from NASDAQ

I'm personally more curious about revenue at the moment but that does make more sense when comparing the success of various companies.

BAKO · 08-19-2013, 05:29 PM

I'm making a good living advertising AFF. That's all I know :-)

CAHEK · 08-19-2013, 05:33 PM

pauliexray · 08-19-2013, 05:34 PM

Not gammae,, yes manwin.

Maybe LFP too.

Oh, and definitely Smash pictures lol and ttboy company

EddyTheDog · 08-19-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK

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signupdamnit · 08-19-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pauliexray

Not gammae,, yes manwin.

Maybe LFP too.

Oh, and definitely Smash pictures lol and ttboy company

Thanks for the input. Some new ones to me.

LFP = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Flynt_Publications right?

brassmonkey · 08-19-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK

its not just them its the whole business. there are major things that will change in adult. spamming days are over.

no more bulked search engine results with spam.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 08-19-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

According to CNN, Friend Finder Networks (AFF/cams.com) did $314.4 million in revenue last year.

The issue with FFN isn't how much revenue they generated, but how much money the business lost.

FFN has lost big money every year since the Marc Bell/Penthouse purchase. And let's not forget that much of their revenue was derived from advertising/partnering with piracy sites, etc.

ADG

signupdamnit · 08-19-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

I'm making a good living advertising AFF. That's all I know :-)

I didn't start the topic to pick on AFF or anything. I chose them because they are one of few companies who have their numbers published.

EddyTheDog · 08-19-2013, 05:52 PM

AFF brings back memories -

Legendary Lars - What's he upto these days?...

_Lush_ · 08-19-2013, 06:18 PM

ccbill does about a billion a year according to one article about Ron Cadwell I read. And with fees of 12+ percent per transaction thats 120,000,000 in there pockets each year before paying thier expenses

http://au.pfinance.yahoo.com/photos/...yers/15950067/

pauliexray · 08-19-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I didn't start the topic to pick on AFF or anything. I chose them because they are one of few companies who have their numbers published.

interesting ignore list btw signupdamnit

are there ANY other current puclicly traded adult companies? noof? playboy?

signupdamnit · 08-19-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pauliexray

interesting ignore list btw signupdamnit

are there ANY other current puclicly traded adult companies? noof? playboy?

Playboy was public at one time from what I understand. According to Wikipedia in 2010 their revenue was $210 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_Enterprises

I thought there was another one as well but the name escapes me.

The ignore list thing isn't to be a dick. It's to let people know not to waste their time and for people to see why I might not respond. Sometimes it's the best thing to do.

Elli · 08-19-2013, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

AFF brings back memories -

Legendary Lars - What's he upto these days?...

He's doing alright.

EddyTheDog · 08-19-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

He's doing alright.

I am feeling nostalgic - How is Sagi?..

Going back when progs valued affiliates - I was short of cash - as usual lol - AFF bought my rebills at a fair price...

I just asked and got some cash hours later - I was given a fair price.....

Those where the days...

Affiliates and progs didn't always rage war against each other.....

Barefootsies · 08-19-2013, 07:04 PM

Ask will76.

EddyTheDog · 08-19-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Ask will76.

lol - Give him my love...

AmeliaG · 08-19-2013, 07:20 PM

I think a lot of companies could gross $314.4 mill, if they racked up $602.9 million of debt. Their financials are painfully bad. Look at their balance sheets and you'll note that $472.1 million of that debt is in the last year. No offense, but anyone who is impressed by that performance needs to repeat 2nd grade math.

AmeliaG · 08-19-2013, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Talk about profit and not revenue. I heard FF stock was pulled off from NASDAQ

Their shareholders lost $176.4 million worth of equity this past year. (And more than a hundred mill for each of the preceding few public years as well.)

signupdamnit · 08-19-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I think a lot of companies could gross $314.4 mill, if they racked up $602.9 million of debt. Their financials are painfully bad. Look at their balance sheets and you'll note that $472.1 million of that debt is in the last year. No offense, but anyone who is impressed by that performance needs to repeat 2nd grade math.

I only used them because they are about the only public porn company I know of. So you have published numbers.

To be fair to them I think most of their debt is to the old owners of the company for the purchase. According to CBS they were making $115 million in payments every year for that debt alone. They paid $500 million to purchase the company. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_1...tag=bnetdomain

Interesting comments btw on the 2011 CBS article at the end about advertising revenue.

signupdamnit · 08-19-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by _Lush_

ccbill does about a billion a year according to one article about Ron Cadwell I read. And with fees of 12+ percent per transaction thats 120,000,000 in there pockets each year before paying thier expenses

http://au.pfinance.yahoo.com/photos/...yers/15950067/

Good one. Looks like it's a pretty recent statement too.

signupdamnit · 08-19-2013, 08:27 PM

Interesting thought here about Manwin and the tube part of their business only.

Assume 100 million visits a day. (good high estimate or no?)
Assume they can somehow squeeze $3 cpm

$300,000 per day
$109 million a year

Assume $5 cpm instead
$182.5 million a year

I would have thought it would be more. This is just one aspect of their business though.

The Porn Nerd · 08-19-2013, 09:03 PM

You also have to fsctor in HUGE companies in Germany and Japan that no one ever mentions. Many of these companies have generic names so it's a real task to try and find who actually owns who or what.

How many profitable companies are involved with adult but you'd never know it from their corporate name/persona?

Mike Dutch · 08-19-2013, 09:47 PM

Dont forget:
Livejasmin
Streamate
MFC

I know a few others that do +300K per day easily. [revenue]

Signupdamit, 300K [revenue] is a very low quess

srockhard · 08-19-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Dutch

I know a few others that do +300K per day easily. [revenue]

Signupdamit, 300K [revenue] is a very low quess

I think he said 300m as in $300,000,0000/year ....so looking at close to million dollar days... #fuckyeahmillionaires

Dankasaur · 08-19-2013, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I'm personally more curious about revenue at the moment but that does make more sense when comparing the success of various companies.

Revenue means nothing, it's about profits. $300mil revenue doesn't mean anything if it cost them $400mil to make.

AmeliaG · 08-19-2013, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I only used them because they are about the only public porn company I know of. So you have published numbers.

To be fair to them I think most of their debt is to the old owners of the company for the purchase. According to CBS they were making $115 million in payments every year for that debt alone. They paid $500 million to purchase the company. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_1...tag=bnetdomain

Interesting comments btw on the 2011 CBS article at the end about advertising revenue.

It looks like an average of about $90 million per year of that is just the interest on their massive debt. If their net income is averaging around $40 million, that is a pretty easy equation.

Of the company's $452.2 in assets, $390.6 is listed as intangibles. Odds are that most of that is Penthouse, meaning that they may make the assets portion look stronger with that acquisition, but the overall debt to equity ratio is kinda ridiculous, especially when one factors in their clear overpayment for the Penthouse brand. Those intangibles should be heavily impaired, if anyone were paying attention.

adult-help · 08-20-2013, 12:34 AM

damn,so much money

trevesty · 08-20-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Dutch

Dont forget:
Livejasmin
Streamate
MFC

I know a few others that do +300K per day easily. [revenue]

Signupdamit, 300K [revenue] is a very low quess

Indeed. There are quite a few companies/programs with very little to no board presence who do six figures per day.

seeandsee · 08-20-2013, 02:02 AM

AFF made 314m revenue ???

ajrocks · 08-20-2013, 06:28 AM

How much of that is loss though. That company runs on debt.

adultmobile · 08-20-2013, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Dutch

Dont forget:
Livejasmin
Streamate
MFC

^^ This
But more mfc/streamate than livejasmin these days. The livejasmin company does money more with mainstream investments lately, I think.

HomerSimpson · 08-20-2013, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by _Lush_

ccbill does about a billion a year according to one article about Ron Cadwell I read. And with fees of 12+ percent per transaction thats 120,000,000 in there pockets each year before paying thier expenses

http://au.pfinance.yahoo.com/photos/...yers/15950067/

and with all that amount of cash their system still looks like its from 1990s

Grapesoda · 08-20-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

AFF brings back memories -

Legendary Lars - What's he upto these days?...

Lars has a site selling vintage cars and motorcycles... the really sweet cars and bikes I post are from his new sites... http://www.legendaryfind.com/

Grapesoda · 08-20-2013, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Interesting thought here about Manwin and the tube part of their business only.

Assume 100 million visits a day. (good high estimate or no?)
Assume they can somehow squeeze $3 cpm

$300,000 per day
$109 million a year

Assume $5 cpm instead
$182.5 million a year

I would have thought it would be more. This is just one aspect of their business though.

a few babes.com shooters are looking for work and brazzers a slowed as bit in LA, playboy hasn't been paid

Due · 08-20-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

It looks like an average of about $90 million per year of that is just the interest on their massive debt. If their net income is averaging around $40 million, that is a pretty easy equation.

Of the company's $452.2 in assets, $390.6 is listed as intangibles. Odds are that most of that is Penthouse, meaning that they may make the assets portion look stronger with that acquisition, but the overall debt to equity ratio is kinda ridiculous, especially when one factors in their clear overpayment for the Penthouse brand. Those intangibles should be heavily impaired, if anyone were paying attention.

they are paying 15% apr ? That's insane! It should be possible to refinance to turn s profit if their revenues are not declining

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signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	FriendFinder Netwroks did $314M revenue last year. Name other adult companies who you think do more According to CNN Friend Finder Networks (AFF/cams.com) did $314.4 million in revenue last year. http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=FFNT Since they are one of few publicly traded companies (though recently delisted from NASDAQ) they are one of few we have real revenue numbers for. Name the other companies you think do more than them. 1. Manwin 2. CCBill ? 3. Gammae What do you think about Verotel, Epoch, Zombaio? No pissing here, please. Let's just identify the big guys and gals in the industry. __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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