skyler haters

[dyna mo]

so do you like her now?

[AllAboutCams]

She is getting better
























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Also you just cannot take a kid like that

[Sarah_Jayne]

Sure but it is also self preservation. If anybody but Hank investigates then her hands are pretty dirty at this stage.

That said, she isn't anywhere near as annoying as her sister.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Also you just cannot take a kid like that

Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne

Sure but it is also self preservation. If anybody but Hank investigates then her hands are pretty dirty at this stage.

That said, she isn't anywhere near as annoying as her sister.

i had to lol when marie tried to klepto the baby, same ole marie! maybe she's the most consistent of them all. i'm still trying to sort out why the writers felt the need to get peeps liking skyler. any ideas? it does seem inconsistent to me, so i am *guessing* there's a reason it was so important in this episode.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i had to lol when marie tried to klepto the baby, same ole marie! maybe she's the most consistent of them all. i'm still trying to sort out why the writers felt the need to get peeps liking skyler. any ideas? it does seem inconsistent to me, so i am *guessing* there's a reason it was so important in this episode.

Maybe so we are clear as to which side she will be on in the upcoming family civil war. I wonder when Walt Jr comes into all of this chaos.

I can't wait until Hank figures out Jesse's connection. What deal is going to be made there?

Marie would be the last person I would have look after my kid even if its dad was a drug lord.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne

Maybe so we are clear as to which side she will be on in the upcoming family civil war. I wonder when Walt Jr comes into all of this chaos.

I can't wait until Hank figures out Jesse's connection. What deal is going to be made there?

Marie would be the last person I would have look after my kid even if its dad was a drug lord.

i haven't watched it again yet. will later today but the episode struck me as very hatfield/mccoy, the sides are being made clear. i fully expect shrader to *break* pinkmann's silence and those 2 work together against team ww/skyler.

that's the only reason i can think of atm for why skyler done what she done last nite. choosing to lawyer up v. spilling to shrader at the diner? was not expecting that. BUT shrader's way of handling it could have made her irrationally decide on the spot,

he's such a dickhead!!

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i haven't watched it again yet. will later today but the episode struck me as very hatfield/mccoy, the sides are being made clear. i fully expect shrader to *break* pinkmann's silence and those 2 work together against team ww/skyler.

that's the only reason i can think of atm for why skyler done what she done last nite. choosing to lawyer up v. spilling to shrader at the diner? was not expecting that. BUT shrader's way of handling it could have made her irrationally decide on the spot,

he's such a dickhead!!

Thats too easy to guess

[bronco67]

I think Skylar already flipped to being "all in" a long time ago.

Even though Lydia is a little worm, I just love that character because she's so funny. Ordering the deaths of 5 men, then being too squeamish to see the bodies.

[Relentless]

She lost a lot of my respect when she stood there pleading for her daughter back. She should have grabbed her sister by the hair and yanked her back to her senses.

Skyler has always had some 'carmella soprano' in her, she doesn't 'like' the business but she is shrewd enough to be helpful when she wants to be, and she isn't about to go into witness protection without a storage unit full of cash.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I think Skylar already flipped to being "all in" a long time ago.

Even though Lydia is a little worm, I just love that character because she's so funny. Ordering the deaths of 5 men, then being too squeamish to see the bodies.

i bet those shoes she was wearing were $2500.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I think Skylar already flipped to being "all in" a long time ago.

Even though Lydia is a little worm, I just love that character because she's so funny. Ordering the deaths of 5 men, then being too squeamish to see the bodies.

Her death is going to be interesting when it happens.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i bet those shoes she was wearing were $2500.

Approx $625.

The shot of Lydia fastidiously climbing down the metal ladder into their underground methamphetamine bunker, fastidiously and uncomfortably placing her red Louboutin shoe soles on each filthy industrial rung . . . well, it is pure genius.

[Choopa_Pardo]

I never said I HATED Skylar, but she's fully invested in this, and she's going down with the ship.

[dyna mo]

i'm prolly gonna wee my pants due to excitment during the episode that shows ww getting back in the game. he's gotta get back in right?

someone will find that moneys and he'll have to start over.

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm prolly gonna wee my pants due to excitment during the episode that shows ww getting back in the game. he's gotta get back in right?

someone will find that moneys and he'll have to start over.

there is too much heat for him to take a risk like that....

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

there is too much heat for him to take a risk like that....

but the portending in the first episode of this season, where he pulls up to the house and gets the rycin.....he was in deep shit, i figure that has to be because he got back in rather than fighting shrader.

[epitome]

What if Walt and Hank conspire together to make Lydia and that young guy (forget his name) the enemy? Then Hank still solves the case and his family is protected.

With the cancer being back I think Hank knows why Walt did it and is wrestling with acceptance.

[seeandsee]

point me on what second is she?

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by epitome

What if Walt and Hank conspire together to make Lydia and that young guy (forget his name) the enemy? Then Hank still solves the case and his family is protected.

With the cancer being back I think Hank knows why Walt did it and is wrestling with acceptance.

ooooooooh

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by epitome

What if Walt and Hank conspire together to make Lydia and that young guy (forget his name) the enemy? Then Hank still solves the case and his family is protected.

With the cancer being back I think Hank knows why Walt did it and is wrestling with acceptance.

That's Todd. Weirdly, the AMC official press room for journalists actually has him tagged as Jesse, so apparently his name is forgettable.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i haven't watched it again yet. will later today but the episode struck me as very hatfield/mccoy, the sides are being made clear. i fully expect shrader to *break* pinkmann's silence and those 2 work together against team ww/skyler.

that's the only reason i can think of atm for why skyler done what she done last nite. choosing to lawyer up v. spilling to shrader at the diner? was not expecting that. BUT shrader's way of handling it could have made her irrationally decide on the spot,

he's such a dickhead!!

Why would she have rolled? She had accepted the benefits of the life. She wasn't going to turn it off just like that.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sly

Why would she have rolled? She had accepted the benefits of the life. She wasn't going to turn it off just like that.

actually, it would not have been a roll, based on her history of how she treats ww and how he has shit all over her, it would have been a relief finally, imo, not a time to lawyer up. i don't think anyone can disagree it was certainly out of character. not saying that's wrong, peeps irl act of out character all the time based on events, nevertheless, i'm wondering what the motivation was for the writers and consequently, the skyler character to do an about face.

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I think Skylar already flipped to being "all in" a long time ago.

Even though Lydia is a little worm, I just love that character because she's so funny. Ordering the deaths of 5 men, then being too squeamish to see the bodies.

At what point did you think Skyler was "all in"? For me, this is the FIRST time I've seen her standing up. All last season, she was behaving like a battered housewife. One thing I can say about Skyler is, she is smart. She may have been annoying and had me praying for her quick and painless death scene, but she knows her shit. She handled the car wash acquisition with grace and she is now showing Hank that she's no fool.

Gloves off.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by epitome

What if Walt and Hank conspire together to make Lydia and that young guy (forget his name) the enemy? Then Hank still solves the case and his family is protected. With the cancer being back I think Hank knows why Walt did it and is wrestling with acceptance.

Putting it all on Lydia and Meth Damon would be a very good way to go. His ties to prison gangs etc also make it believable he could have done this all from the start on his own probably. Gets Hank out of the family issue, the medical bill payment dilemma and makes a lot of sense EXCEPT.... Hank is too Captain Ahab and Walt is his big white whale. I don't see Hank doing what's smart... his pride would get in the way.

[dyna mo]

so does anybody else think ww is gonna get back in? or will the finale be a strictly ww v. shrader dealio?

[TheSquealer]

skylar will order the hit on Hank

[kane]

I have never really hated Skylar. At times she can be a little annoying, but to me she is just a person who has had her life turned upside down, first by being knocked up at an older age then by her husband getting cancer then by finding out her husband was a meth dealer.

I have enjoyed watching her go from average person to straight up gangster.

Had Hank figured this out a few seasons ago when she was hating Walt she likely would have flipped and given Hank everything. Now she has had a taste and is fully invested herself so she has to protect herself in all of this as well.

Still, she could demand that she get full immunity in exchange for handing over Walk and she would likely get it and that might still happen.

I subscribe to the theory that Hank either kills her or has her killed. if he thinks she is going to roll over on him that might be the reason he does it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Choopa_Pardo

I never said I HATED Skylar, but she's fully invested in this, and she's going down with the ship.

i've hated skylar since s1, she's from the same family as marie, the annoying gene carried over.

but i don't think was the intent of the writers, which is why i am wondering if how this was handled was not also some sort of attempt to get the skylar character less hated/more liked, i certainly am not alone in not liking that character. not sure if it worked though, it may have backfired.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

I have never really hated Skylar. At times she can be a little annoying, but to me she is just a person who has had her life turned upside down, first by being knocked up at an older age then by her husband getting cancer then by finding out her husband was a meth dealer.

I have enjoyed watching her go from average person to straight up gangster.

Had Hank figured this out a few seasons ago when she was hating Walt she likely would have flipped and given Hank everything. Now she has had a taste and is fully invested herself so she has to protect herself in all of this as well.

Still, she could demand that she get full immunity in exchange for handing over Walk and she would likely get it and that might still happen.

I subscribe to the theory that Hank either kills her or has her killed. if he thinks she is going to roll over on him that might be the reason he does it.

Yeah, she's been nothing but practical and pragmatic every step of the way. I doubt that would change at the end.... not to mention, she's already said she's not going to Hank and steered Walt from it. If Walt is dying, so is evidence and the case. Without hard evidence against her, Walt dead and millions of dollars buried in the desert, what does she gain by flipping? She's already implicated and no matter what, they can't come forward without giving up the money, forfeiting all property, losing the kids etc... so... no point in that.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i've hated skylar since s1, she's from the same family as marie, the annoying gene carried over.

but i don't think was the intent of the writers, which is why i am wondering if how this was handled was not also some sort of attempt to get the skylar character less hated/more liked, i certainly am not alone in not liking that character. not sure if it worked though, it may have backfired.

I disliked her since she essentially claimed rape with Walt.

[Relentless]

Loved when Saul suggested sending Hank to Belize... wondering how long before he recommends sending Skyler there too.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Yeah, she's been nothing but practical and pragmatic every step of the way. I doubt that would change at the end.... not to mention, she's already said she's not going to Hank and steered Walt from it. If Walt is dying, so is evidence and the case. Without hard evidence against her, Walt dead and millions of dollars buried in the desert, what does she gain by flipping? She's already implicated and no matter what, they can't come forward without giving up the money, forfeiting all property, losing the kids etc... so... no point in that.

i'm not seeing what's practical and pragmatic about getting in bed with a dope kingpin when your brother in law is offering you a way out + she didn't know any of the things you mentioned when she was at the diner. she thought the mula was still in storage, had just heard about the cancer, etc, for me the pragmatic skyler would have let out a sigh of relief and accepted the fbi/shrader's offer.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne

I disliked her since she essentially claimed rape with Walt.

so your jaw had to drop when she chose to get an attorney and left in a huff or no?

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

so your jaw had to drop when she chose to get an attorney and left in a huff or no?

I think she likes the game aspect of it all now. If she thinks she can get the better of Hank and keep her family clean, she'll try. It mostly about her but if it saves Walt too then it does.

[boziffous]

Originally Posted by kane

I have never really hated Skylar. At times she can be a little annoying, but to me she is just a person who has had her life turned upside down, first by being knocked up at an older age then by her husband getting cancer then by finding out her husband was a meth dealer.

I have enjoyed watching her go from average person to straight up gangster.

Had Hank figured this out a few seasons ago when she was hating Walt she likely would have flipped and given Hank everything. Now she has had a taste and is fully invested herself so she has to protect herself in all of this as well.

Still, she could demand that she get full immunity in exchange for handing over Walt and she would likely get it and that might still happen.

This

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm not seeing what's practical and pragmatic about getting in bed with a dope kingpin when your brother in law is offering you a way out + she didn't know any of the things you mentioned when she was at the diner. she thought the mula was still in storage, had just heard about the cancer, etc, for me the pragmatic skyler would have let out a sigh of relief and accepted the fbi/shrader's offer.

She's guilty as well
Hank can't offer her immunity from prosecution
Hank wasn't offering her a deal.. he was under the assumption that she was a victim and hostage of a violent drug dealer (as he stated repeatedly)
Hank was over zealously trying to extract information

She will go to prison
She will lose her children
She will lose her home
She will lose the car wash
She will lose the money

She dummied up and threatened to get a lawyer. Thats the only smart choice.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

She's guilty as well
Hank can't offer her immunity from prosecution
Hank wasn't offering her a deal.. he was under the assumption that she was a victim and hostage of a violent drug dealer (as he stated repeatedly)
Hank was over zealously trying to extract information

She will go to prison
She will lose her children
She will lose her home
She will lose the car wash
She will lose the money

She dummied up and threatened to get a lawyer. Thats the only smart choice.

i would bet shrader knew she was complicit when he met her at the diner and was blowing that off to enlist her to nab ww, shrader knew and knows he doesn't have enough to convict, move forward.

the reason i bet he knew is because marie mentioned all of that during her 1/2 of a conversation with skyler on the bed last nite. if she knew how skylar knew all the way back when, then certainly shrader knows too, but he needs, or thought he needed skyler's info.

[kane]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

She's guilty as well
Hank can't offer her immunity from prosecution
Hank wasn't offering her a deal.. he was under the assumption that she was a victim and hostage of a violent drug dealer (as he stated repeatedly)
Hank was over zealously trying to extract information

She will go to prison
She will lose her children
She will lose her home
She will lose the car wash
She will lose the money

She dummied up and threatened to get a lawyer. Thats the only smart choice.

This isn't the first time she has played the dumb card to get out of trouble. There was the incident with her former boss and the IRS where she acted like an idiot who got hired because of her tits.

That was one of the first glimpses that she was really willing to do what it takes to not get caught.

[boziffous]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm not seeing what's practical and pragmatic about getting in bed with a dope kingpin when your brother in law is offering you a way out + she didn't know any of the things you mentioned when she was at the diner. she thought the mula was still in storage, had just heard about the cancer, etc, for me the pragmatic skyler would have let out a sigh of relief and accepted the fbi/shrader's offer.

But it seems that Hank doesn't know just how involved Skyler is or for how long she has known. If Hank knew he might not willing/able to come with that same kind of offer to help her.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

This isn't the first time she has played the dumb card to get out of trouble. There was the incident with her former boss and the IRS where she acted like an idiot who got hired because of her tits.

That was one of the first glimpses that she was really willing to do what it takes to not get caught.

This wasn't "playing dumb" though. He went fishing for info, comforting her by saying how he understood she was just the victim... then he pulled out a recorder. She refused to talk. She wanted a lawyer... he put 2 and 2 together... Smash cut to her sister coming over and her leaving her sister with the impression that it was not only true, but that she was complicit along the way - even having knowledge of Hank getting shot beforehand and said nothing to change that.

Also, the tax stuff was again a practical matter of self preservation.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by boziffous

But it seems that Hank doesn't know just how involved Skyler is or for how long she has known. If Hank knew he might not willing/able to come with that same kind of offer to help her.

i think he knew at the diner. certainly a voice in the back of his head had this part sorted out, marie burped it all out later and she's not the sharpest brain on the show, and he's portrayed as the smart one.

[kane]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This wasn't "playing dumb" though. He went fishing for info, comforting her by saying how he understood she was just the victim... then he pulled out a recorder. She refused to talk. She wanted a lawyer... he put 2 and 2 together... Smash cut to her sister coming over and her leaving her sister with the impression that it was not only true, but that she was complicit along the way - even having knowledge of Hank getting shot beforehand and said nothing to change that.

Also, the tax stuff was again a practical matter of self preservation.

True. I guess the better way of saying it is that Skyler is good at acting like everything is normal and she has nothing to do with Walt's activities until the light is shined on her then she is willing to what it takes to save her own ass.

I think she is just buying time. There was that argument they had where she finally said to him that she would do what it takes to keep the kids safe and that eventually the cancer would come back and essentially set them free of him. It wasn't long after that when she decided to help him out. She is in survival mode and may be just hoping the cancer comes back and kills Walk then she and the kids are free, and if she plays her cards right she is free and has a boatload of money.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

She is in survival mode and may be just hoping the cancer comes back and kills Walk then she and the kids are free, and if she plays her cards right she is free and has a boatload of money.

I think the opening scene of the first episode with Walt going into the abandoned house, which has "Heisenberg" written on the wall and where he has a full head of hair, suggests A LOT is going to happen while Walt is alive.

[dyna mo]

i'm thinking i'lll just have to chalk this one up as a tech glitch. i can only imagine how difficult it is to weave a complex show while dev'ing the characters at the same time. it's not out of the question to need to have a character act out of character to point the overall show in the direction the producers want it to go.

besides, i prolly would have never noticed it if i weren't so into the show and trying to dissect the characters.

[Tofu]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I think the opening scene of the first episode with Walt going into the abandoned house, which has "Heisenberg" written on the wall and where he has a full head of hair, suggests A LOT is going to happen while Walt is alive.

And it was THAT graffiti on his wall that intrigued me the most! I want to know the story of how that got there!

Exciting times, ahead.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Putting it all on Lydia and Meth Damon would be a very good way to go. His ties to prison gangs etc also make it believable he could have done this all from the start on his own probably. Gets Hank out of the family issue, the medical bill payment dilemma and makes a lot of sense EXCEPT.... Hank is too Captain Ahab and Walt is his big white whale. I don't see Hank doing what's smart... his pride would get in the way.

LOL Meth Damon. Remembered his name... Todd.

After I wrote that I thought about the opening scene on episode 9 and the abandoned house. I doubted myself and then thought about how the ricin could be to kill off someone that was going to rat on him. Todd seems loyal; they went out of the way to show how loyal he is. I picture Lydia trying to save her own ass, so Walt makes sure that will not happen. Maybe the house was abandoned because because they all moved away until the DEA made the move on Lydia and Todd; but Lydia sent him a message with the spray paint.

Walt was just a boring chemistry teacher before he became Heisenberg. Hank could come around and decide his family is more important than taking down Walt, who has gotten out and doesn't have much time left. He'd want to take someone down though... so Lydia and Todd are perfect for that and they were both very messy with those meth lab deaths.

I really want it to end with Walt healthy, out of the biz and everyone happy. I know it's probably not going to end up that way though because that is what most want.

[dyna mo]

the problem is the mula and that big speech about it ww gave skyler on the bathroom floor about it. during another scene, when ww was at the back of the money van i was stumped wondering what ww had planned for that cash, burn it even. i did think he was finally going to go burn the money, just like a previous episode. but he stashed it and is giving skyler an ultimatum over it. if skyler agrees and ww turns himself in, then skylar will fight for that money, which will have been found by then as well.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Tofu

And it was THAT graffiti on his wall that intrigued me the most! I want to know the story of how that got there!

Exciting times, ahead.

Yeah, the fact that it was his own house and that clearly a lot of time had past given its condition and that he had a full head of hair would suggest to me that he walked away from it all somehow. Probably Lydia will get blamed for it all and Hank will give Walt a pass because he hasn't got enough direct evidence against him.

[dyna mo]

wouldn't the graffitti suggest that the public knows ww = heisenberg?

also, the fencing off of the house made me think the house was fenced off as a meth house by authorities as well.

[Relentless]

I'd love to see Walt find out that Walt Jr. is using meth and watch Mr. White have to come to terms with that.