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Old 08-19-2013, 03:56 PM   #51
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Skyler has never been about morality.

Skyler has always been about control.

She threatened Walt with divorce, when he did not want one. As soon as he signed, then she held the power by not signing.

She liked controlling Walt and threatened him with his kids etc. when she lost control.

No way was she going to go for Hank offering to step in and take control.

I think her character has been totally consistent.
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Old 08-19-2013, 05:30 PM   #54
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She lost a lot of my respect when she stood there pleading for her daughter back. She should have grabbed her sister by the hair and yanked her back to her senses.
Baby is not a thing, its pretty dangerous to grab her and yank her while she is holding the child. Imho 100% natural behaviour for any mother and not only mother, any rational person would not go "with force" there.
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Approx $625.

The shot of Lydia fastidiously climbing down the metal ladder into their underground methamphetamine bunker, fastidiously and uncomfortably placing her red Louboutin shoe soles on each filthy industrial rung . . . well, it is pure genius.
I don't get it - these shoes are simple classic design, you can buy those at any brand for like 100, 200$ tops. What idiot would pay 625?
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I don't get it - these shoes are simple classic design, you can buy those at any brand for like 100, 200$ tops. What idiot would pay 625?
same type of "idiot" that buys a $10k watch or $200 bottle of wine or $5k mac?
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Skyler has never been about morality.

Skyler has always been about control.

She threatened Walt with divorce, when he did not want one. As soon as he signed, then she held the power by not signing.

She liked controlling Walt and threatened him with his kids etc. when she lost control.

No way was she going to go for Hank offering to step in and take control.

I think her character has been totally consistent.
i looked at her on the divorce as caving in, then she lets ww back in the house and goes and bangs ted to get even. i guess i can see that as some sort of control, but hmm, not sure.

+ i always thought she was playing catch up....ww's constant dissapperances over the early seasons and she always took marie's crap up until she would explode over it or be absolutely forced to deal with it.

not to mention her acting like she did on the bathroom floor with walt.

who knows though, one never tries to dissect gossamer right?

but it's fun anyhoo eh


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I don't get it - these shoes are simple classic design, you can buy those at any brand for like 100, 200$ tops. What idiot would pay 625?

The type of idiot who would take over a meth wholesaling business, minus its key source of competitive advantage.
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The type of idiot who would take over a meth wholesaling business, minus its key source of competitive advantage.
she's a savvy idiot too, those are cheap for louboutin.
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i think he knew at the diner. certainly a voice in the back of his head had this part sorted out, marie burped it all out later and she's not the sharpest brain on the show, and he's portrayed as the smart one.
Hank doesn't know about Skyler's involvement with the money laundering or the situation with Ted Beneke. Hank is only looking at her as the victim at that point when they meet at the diner. Hank says to Skyler something along the lines of "you need to get out in front this and prove to everyone that you have nothing to hide." Problem is that Skyler has a lot to hide.
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was it weird that lydia had the entire cooking crew killt just to get a 10% increase in quality? it was like 68%->78%. seems harsh for not a big roi. ww was cooking at what was it 98% ?
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Hank doesn't know about Skyler's involvement with the money laundering or the situation with Ted Beneke. Hank is only looking at her as the victim at that point when they meet at the diner. Hank says to Skyler something along the lines of "you need to get out in front this and prove to everyone that you have nothing to hide." Problem is that Skyler has a lot to hide.
that makes sense. but either way, skyler has a lot to hide right? so it just seems weird (to me) that skyler, the woman who was smoking in the house a couple seasons ago to hasten along walt's cancer she loathed him that much, has fully got his back now and was a nurturing wife on the bathroom floor.

i think there must be a big reason to do that. either to placate skyler haters or to bring her into the ending based on this. not saying it's a bad thing or sullies the show, as per usual, i enjoy chatting about the show.
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was it weird that lydia had the entire cooking crew killt just to get a 10% increase in quality? it was like 68%->78%. seems harsh for not a big roi. ww was cooking at what was it 98% ?
Yeah, gotta be something more than just the small increase in quality. I thought Walt's was 99.1% pure or higher but that Gayle would need a gas chromatograph(sp?) to determine exactly.
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that makes sense. but either way, skyler has a lot to hide right? so it just seems weird (to me) that skyler, the woman who was smoking in the house a couple seasons ago to hasten along walt's cancer she loathed him that much, has fully got his back now and was a nurturing wife on the bathroom floor.

i think there must be a big reason to do that. either to placate skyler haters or to bring her into the ending based on this. not saying it's a bad thing or sullies the show, as per usual, i enjoy chatting about the show.
If Skyler only knew about it for the amount of time that Hank is thinking she knew about it, and the only reason she didn't say anything was because she was scared, then I think it's reasonable to portray her as a victim.

I think there is a chance that Skyler still does flip on Walt. With Walt's cancer back and if it looks like he isn't gonna be able to beat it this time maybe he has Skyler flip on him just so she can be able to keep the kids for sure.
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Hank doesn't know about Skyler's involvement with the money laundering or the situation with Ted Beneke. Hank is only looking at her as the victim at that point when they meet at the diner. Hank says to Skyler something along the lines of "you need to get out in front this and prove to everyone that you have nothing to hide." Problem is that Skyler has a lot to hide.
Exactly. Hank himself admits that he only has pieces of the puzzle. He has no idea how deeply involved in all of this Skyler is.

I think, if nothing else, he wants to believe she is just the victim here, but when she lawyered up and wouldn't talk to her sister I think he might be changing his mind.
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Yeah, gotta be something more than just the small increase in quality. I thought Walt's was 99.1% pure or higher but that Gayle would need a gas chromatograph(sp?) to determine exactly.
it's another reason that suggests to me ww will be back cooking.

all that money being made such a big deal, i mean the scene with big dude laying on it was classic, but just the sheer spectacle of that fucking cube of cash, it was over the top, perhaps a reason to go over the top with that + ww's speech on how important that money is, is that money is going to get lost/taken/used.
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If Skyler only knew about it for the amount of time that Hank is thinking she knew about it, and the only reason she didn't say anything was because she was scared, then I think it's reasonable to portray her as a victim.

I think there is a chance that Skyler still does flip on Walt. With Walt's cancer back and if it looks like he isn't gonna be able to beat it this time maybe he has Skyler flip on him just so she can be able to keep the kids for sure.
i can see shrader seeing her as strictly a victim, but only due to his own ego blinding him from his intellect and consequently, seeing her victimization as an opportunity to finally get heisenberg. i mean he wasn't meeting her in the diner to console a victim, he was there to take advantage of what his emotions causing him to see as a victim that he could exploit.
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What if Walt and Hank conspire together to make Lydia and that young guy (forget his name) the enemy? Then Hank still solves the case and his family is protected.

With the cancer being back I think Hank knows why Walt did it and is wrestling with acceptance.
As much as I liked the ending you came up with, it wouldn't be bloody enough. I think everyone with the exception of Walt is going to die. As far as Hank wrestling with acceptance, I don't see it. Hank hasn't been this upset since Marie called his mineral collection rocks. Hank is more than a little fucking pissed at Walt.

Oh and Skylar is a cunt for having to make Walter Jr. almost beg her to fix the bacon on Walt's plate for his birthday.

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As much as I liked the ending you came up with, it wouldn't be bloody enough. I think everyone with the exception of Walt is going to die. As far as Hank wrestling with acceptance, I don't see it. Hank hasn't been this upset since Marie called his mineral collection rocks. Hank is more than a little fucking pissed at Walt.

Oh and Skylar is a cunt for having to make Walter Jr. almost beg her to fix the bacon on Walt's plate for his birthday.

It's wishful thinking on my part.
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i'm not seeing what's practical and pragmatic about getting in bed with a dope kingpin when your brother in law is offering you a way out + she didn't know any of the things you mentioned when she was at the diner. she thought the mula was still in storage, had just heard about the cancer, etc, for me the pragmatic skyler would have let out a sigh of relief and accepted the fbi/shrader's offer.
I don't see it either, the first two episodes of this season ahve been building her up to be more of a hard ass herself.

Telling Lydia to leave and never return, siding with Walt even when Hank was offering a way out. Plus don't forget she had an affair before Walt became a drug dealer so she is a self serving cunt and has a history of it.
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Plus don't forget she had an affair before Walt became a drug dealer so she is a self serving cunt and has a history of it.
Walt had been cooking meth for a while before Skyler had the affair with Ted Beneke in season 3.
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As much as I liked the ending you came up with, it wouldn't be bloody enough. I think everyone with the exception of Walt is going to die. As far as Hank wrestling with acceptance, I don't see it. Hank hasn't been this upset since Marie called his mineral collection rocks. Hank is more than a little fucking pissed at Walt.

Oh and Skylar is a cunt for having to make Walter Jr. almost beg her to fix the bacon on Walt's plate for his birthday.



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i thought he was referring to ww after becoming a cook but before taking over gus's doper kingpin position.
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Yeah, gotta be something more than just the small increase in quality. I thought Walt's was 99.1% pure or higher but that Gayle would need a gas chromatograph(sp?) to determine exactly.

I believe the reason was that Lydia had a $50 million order from the Czech Republic which required higher purity and that meth lords crew wouldn't let anyone else cook on their turf, so it wasn't like she could just run a competing kitchen.
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it's another reason that suggests to me ww will be back cooking.

all that money being made such a big deal, i mean the scene with big dude laying on it was classic, but just the sheer spectacle of that fucking cube of cash, it was over the top, perhaps a reason to go over the top with that + ww's speech on how important that money is, is that money is going to get lost/taken/used.

I agree the most fun moment in this episode is totally when Huell and Saul Goodman?s other henchman hit the storage space to move the huge stacks of cash and just have to lie down on them.
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Hank gets Jessie out of the jail thinking that he will be able to get info from him and prevent him from spilling the beans to anyone else.

Lydia and Todd either lure Jesse to come and cook for them or possibly kidnap him and force him to cook for them against his will.

Walt fakes the deaths of himself, Skyler and the kids in a shootout / fire / explosion at the car wash. Hank and Marie might even be some of the remains inside assumed to be Walt and his family.

Walt, Skyler and the kids disappear to the North East and assume new identities through the guy Saul referred him to a few seasons ago, but Skyler had spent the money needed paying Ted's tax debts.

Walt heads back to Albuquerque to finish up loose ends. The ricin is for Lydia. She is always drinking coffee or something when they meet in a restaurant. He knows he can poison her easily at a meeting. The big gun is to take out Todd and the rest of his gang and rescue Jesse.

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What do you guys think about the radio controlled car in the in front of Hanks house?

I think it means something. Maybe Walt will use a remote controlled car to kill Hank. Drive a bomb into his garage.
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That's Todd. Weirdly, the AMC official press room for journalists actually has him tagged as Jesse, so apparently his name is forgettable.
I totally missed this reply.

Honestly, when she said the name Todd, I had forgotten who he was until he popped up on top of the manhole.

I think we'll be seeing more of him in these final episodes.
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same type of "idiot" that buys a $10k watch or $200 bottle of wine or $5k mac?
Similar, but not the same thing. Takes too much to elaborate.

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The type of idiot who would take over a meth wholesaling business, minus its key source of competitive advantage.
I was talking about people who buy them in real life.
I get designer shoes when they look different or special, but these are just basic black leather heels with red sole. Thats not of special category. If you take some quality high heels in 150$ range and slapped this brand name it would be exactly the same thing.
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I agree the most fun moment in this episode is totally when Huell and Saul Goodman?s other henchman hit the storage space to move the huge stacks of cash and just have to lie down on them.
wasn't that fun? i admit, i get so amped up watching this show i have to pause and soak up the rare funny bits like that, when i watched last week's episode again, i found the star trek bit even funnier.

interesting that the main characters are all so completely serious that the henchmen are used for occasional comic relief.
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That's Bill Burr, very funny stand-up comedian. Search for his city tours on youtube, hilarious.

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That's why he seemed so familiar. Damn. Can't believe I didn't notice that.
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don't forget todd was a main character on friday night lights! i thought his being cast as todd was fucking brilliant!

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That's Bill Burr, very funny stand-up comedian. Search for his city tours on youtube, hilarious.

Thanks! I've totally watched him on Comedy Central, but I hadn't made the connection.
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Yes I still hate her. Not only is the actress who plays the character of Skylar BY FAR THE WORST ACTOR ON THE SHOW the character of Skylar is a dumb pig whore.

The only other character on that show I hate is her shoplifting/baby stealing/neurotic dumb sister.

Oh and Giancarlo Esposito got ROBBED for the best supporting actor award. Aaron Paul got the award. He is good but Giancarlo (Gus) was epic!

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Mark Margolis also got robbed.
What he did as uncle tio... with no lines, a wheelchair bell and facial expressions was extraordinary.
How he got nominated and lost to some guy from Justified, ill never understand.
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Oh and Giancarlo Esposito got ROBBED for the best supporting actor award. Aaron Paul got the award. He is good but Giancarlo (Gus) was epic!

This guy was amazing. He took such an impossible premise and made it completely believable.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:42 PM   #89
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Mark Margolis also got robbed.
What he did as uncle tio... with no lines, a wheelchair bell and facial expressions was extraordinary.
How he got nominated and lost to some guy from Justified, ill never understand.
yes I agree he was great as well

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yes I agree he was great as well

and that bell! it was like having tinnitus, lol.......frack, it reminded me of a sergio leone western with a squeaky windmill that he insisted to go on for minutes...........why............................. ..
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I thought the M60 was a weird choice. But maybe for someone who doesn't have much gun knowledge it makes sense he would pick the biggest gun he could get, not realizing it's more of a support weapon. He needs something agile and light like the MP5, or maybe the AK-S.

M60 is a crew based weapon and a newbie might get killed before even has a chance to use it. The writing on Breaking Bad is so good I'll bet there's a semi-comical scene when he tries to work that thing for the first time.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:58 PM   #92
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I thought the M60 was a weird choice. But maybe for someone who doesn't have much gun knowledge it makes sense he would pick the biggest gun he could get, not realizing it's more of a support weapon. He needs something agile and light like the MP5, or maybe the AK-S.

M60 is a crew based weapon and a newbie might get killed before even has a chance to use it. The writing on Breaking Bad is so good I'll bet there's a semi-comical scene when he tries to work that thing for the first time.
good eye! that last episdoe is shaping up to be a tony montana ending, which *could* makes sense, tyhe creater has said in the past ww was modeled after the movie/tony montana
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wasn't that fun? i admit, i get so amped up watching this show i have to pause and soak up the rare funny bits like that, when i watched last week's episode again, i found the star trek bit even funnier.

interesting that the main characters are all so completely serious that the henchmen are used for occasional comic relief.
I wondered if they were giving them a bit more personality since Saul is getting a spin off.
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This guy was amazing. He took such an impossible premise and made it completely believable.
He also changed the way that I look at el pollo loco staff
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Moving forward:

Hank gets Jessie out of the jail thinking that he will be able to get info from him and prevent him from spilling the beans to anyone else.

Lydia and Todd either lure Jesse to come and cook for them or possibly kidnap him and force him to cook for them against his will.

Walt fakes the deaths of himself, Skyler and the kids in a shootout / fire / explosion at the car wash. Hank and Marie might even be some of the remains inside assumed to be Walt and his family.

Walt, Skyler and the kids disappear to the North East and assume new identities through the guy Saul referred him to a few seasons ago, but Skyler had spent the money needed paying Ted's tax debts.

Walt heads back to Albuquerque to finish up loose ends. The ricin is for Lydia. She is always drinking coffee or something when they meet in a restaurant. He knows he can poison her easily at a meeting. The big gun is to take out Todd and the rest of his gang and rescue Jesse.

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What do you guys think about the radio controlled car in the in front of Hanks house?

I think it means something. Maybe Walt will use a remote controlled car to kill Hank. Drive a bomb into his garage.
That would be a nice wrap up for the series.
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I wondered if they were giving them a bit more personality since Saul is getting a spin off.
wait, whut? the saul show... nice right? hopefully it will be good,,, i hadn't come across that news,,,,,,,,,,,,but i guess that means he makes it out alive......
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wait, whut? the saul show... nice right? hopefully it will be good,,, i hadn't come across that news,,,,,,,,,,,,but i guess that means he makes it out alive......
Yeah, the spoiler aspect was what came to mind when I read it too. It has been kicked around in press for a while but before the season started it was confirmed.
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Yeah, the spoiler aspect was what came to mind when I read it too. It has been kicked around in press for a while but before the season started it was confirmed.
yeah, then i bet they are certainly dev'ing those guys up then i like them too. good characters to work with.
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I read an article today about North Korea having a huge meth problem. Maybe Walt will hide there.

http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2...emic/?mod=e2tw
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interesting article written by anna gunn

http://www.today.com/entertainment/b...sue-8C10995619


At some point on the message boards, the character of Skyler seemed to drop out of the conversation, and people transferred their negative feelings directly to me. The already harsh online comments became outright personal attacks. One such post read: ?Could somebody tell me where I can find Anna Gunn so I can kill her?? Besides being frightened (and taking steps to ensure my safety), I was also astonished: how had disliking a character spiraled into homicidal rage at the actress playing her?

But I finally realized that most people?s hatred of Skyler had little to do with me and a lot to do with their own perception of women and wives. Because Skyler didn?t conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender.
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