DOJ arrested Texas woman for illegally voting 5 times in same election

[Vendzilla]

DOJ arrested Texas woman for illegally voting 5 times in same election

A few days later, the DOJ brings a lawsuit to stop the new Texas voter ID law

?Just days after the U.S. Department of Justice arrested a Texas woman for illegally voting five times in the same election, the Obama administration is suing to stop Texas? commonsense voter ID law,? Abbott said in a statement, referring to the arrest on Tuesday of a Brownsville woman for her alleged actions during a 2012 runoff. ?The U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled that voter ID laws do not suppress legal votes, but do help prevent illegal votes. Voter IDs have nothing to do with race and they are free to anyone who needs one.?

He also accused the department of teaming with state Democrats on the redistricting controversy.

?By intervening in the redistricting case, the Obama DOJ is predictably joining with Democrat state legislators and Members of Congress and the Texas Democratic Party, who are already suing the State. Also, by challenging the 2011 redistricting plans, Eric Holder is trying to resurrect a law that was never implemented and no longer exists ? and then sue it,? he said.

http://www.texastribune.org/2013/08/...tricting-maps/

It sounds like the DOJ is being used by the democratic party to strenghen their vote numbers.

Just to keep on all this, remember that the supreme court ruled that having voters show an Photo ID is constitutional according to Crawford v. Marion county election board

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawfor...Election_Board


I guess Eric Holder doesn't give a shit what the Supreme Court ruled, he has to defend the democrats will?

[ThunderBalls]

And *gasp* she was caught.

Another non story.

[PornMD]

I really think the whole disenfranchisement based on lack of ID argument is extremely fucking thin. I'm all for arguing against the Republican side of a lot of things, but something as important as voting in a country with shit-tons of illegals should need an ID.

[96ukssob]

Another successful story of tax dollars being well spent.

All truthfulness, I bet this investigation "cost" upwards over $2mm

[2MuchMark]

Vendzilla,

The truth is there is almost no voter fraud committed by people voting more than once or lying about who they are etc.

The real voter fraud is being commited by republicans in office who are stripping away voter rights and making it harder for minorities to vote.

It's no secret that more black people, brown people and students voted democrat in the past 2 elections. These stats, available anywhere, is what sickens republicans the most. Republicans simply cannot win on their platform or ideology. What they want is old, out of date, racist and just plain wrong.

Here's what republicans need to get though their heads. Everyone has the RIGHT to vote. It should be easier, not harder, to vote. Women must have the right to terminate their pregnancy. Black and brown people are just as smart and or have the same abilities and rights as white people. Labour and other unions are a good thing. Gays should be allowed to marry. Obamacare, which was originally a republican idea, is a good thing. Socialized medicine is a good thing. Socialism is NOT communism (get fucking over it you dumb fucks!). There is no excuse for not having a basic understanding of science and how the world works. The EPA is Not a job killer - it is a world saver. Etc, etc etc.

The fucking republican office now cannot win on their platform alone. The only way they can win is to steal elections. They do this by taking away voter rights and keeping people stupid thanks to fox news. Fox lies to their audience, keeps them scared, and feeds their own opinions back to them, all under republican control.

America is a beautiful country, but your political system is seriously fucked up.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

And *gasp* she was caught.

Another non story.

You're the only non story here is you, nothing to contribute because you have no thought

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You're the only non story here is you, nothing to contribute because you have no thought

How many times a day do you get your Depends changed? Now there's a real story.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by **********

Vendzilla,

The truth is there is almost no voter fraud committed by people voting more than once or lying about who they are etc.


America is a beautiful country, but your political system is seriously fucked up.

While I agree our system is fucked up, it's because people like Eric Holder is going against the Supreme court

Here's a great article that shows what I'm talking about
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...aud/53658158/1

"The electoral system cannot inspire public confidence if no safeguards exist to deter or detect fraud or to confirm the identity of voters." That was the conclusion of the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, headed by former president Jimmy Carter and former secretary of State James Baker. The commission recommended stronger photo-identification requirements at the polls. Its logic was straightforward and convincing: Americans must show photo identification for all kinds of day-to-day activities, such as cashing checks or entering government buildings. The many photo ID requirements we encounter in our daily lives are legitimate, effective security measures. Securing the ballot box is just as important.



What the DOJ and the democrats have a problem with it they want all forms of ID to be accepted. I contend that state ID's are fine for security.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

How many times a day do you get your Depends changed? Now there's a real story.

I love when a troll insults me on the forum and won't dream of it in person.

Find something else to do Tinker Balls

[sandman!]

more bullshit

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I love when a troll insults me on the forum and won't dream of it in person.

Yea cause I'm terrified of an old guy wearing Depends.

[Mr Spock]

Originally Posted by **********

Vendzilla,

The truth is there is almost no voter fraud committed by people voting more than once or lying about who they are etc.

The real voter fraud is being commited by republicans in office who are stripping away voter rights and making it harder for minorities to vote.

It's no secret that more black people, brown people and students voted democrat in the past 2 elections. These stats, available anywhere, is what sickens republicans the most. Republicans simply cannot win on their platform or ideology. What they want is old, out of date, racist and just plain wrong.

Here's what republicans need to get though their heads. Everyone has the RIGHT to vote. It should be easier, not harder, to vote. Women must have the right to terminate their pregnancy. Black and brown people are just as smart and or have the same abilities and rights as white people. Labour and other unions are a good thing. Gays should be allowed to marry. Obamacare, which was originally a republican idea, is a good thing. Socialized medicine is a good thing. Socialism is NOT communism (get fucking over it you dumb fucks!). There is no excuse for not having a basic understanding of science and how the world works. The EPA is Not a job killer - it is a world saver. Etc, etc etc.

The fucking republican office now cannot win on their platform alone. The only way they can win is to steal elections. They do this by taking away voter rights and keeping people stupid thanks to fox news. Fox lies to their audience, keeps them scared, and feeds their own opinions back to them, all under republican control.

America is a beautiful country, but your political system is seriously fucked up.

Aren't you a Canadian? fuckwit

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Yea cause I'm terrified of an old guy wearing Depends.

I'm pretty sure you are terrified of the girl scouts and leaving your parents basement.

Tinker Balls, you should change your name to that

[kane]

To me a larger form of voter fraud is often carried out by those running the elections and the parties involved in them.

Let's go back in time to 2004. John Kerry Vs. George W Bush. It was going to be a close election and likely would come down to a couple of key states. One of those states was Ohio. The person in charge of overseeing the elections in that state also happened to be heavily involved in the Bush's campaign. To me, that right there is a huge conflict of interest. Add into it the mix that he is on record as saying that he would do whatever it took to deliver Ohio to Bush.

About a week or so before election day it is announced that there will be a rule change. In the past if a voter showed up at the wrong precinct the people at that precinct would call the correct one, verify that this person was on the voter rolls there and hadn't already voted then let them vote at the place they were at. They changed that rule. Now the workers at a precinct could look up the correct one for you, but you then had to go there to vote.

The next problem illuminates why that first one is a big deal. In conservative heavy locations there was plenty of voting machines so people could get in and out quickly. Many precincts had an excess of voting machines. In the democrat heavy areas there was a huge shortage. Some large areas were only given a few machines. This caused very long lines.

Put them together and you have issues. Say you accidentally go to the wrong place, stand in line for four hours and then are told you can't vote, you have to go to a different place. You go there and see another four hour long line. Many people would just say fuck it and go home.

Add to this that there were several reports of the votes being counted incorrectly by the machines. For example. There might be a county that had 10,000 registered voters in it. Kerry might get around 4,000 votes. Other 3rd party candidates got a total of 500 between them. So Bush should get around 5,500, but the computer counted his total as 25,000. We are then told it is a glitch and the actual number is being accurately counted. There were several of these glitches that night and none of them ever gave extra votes to anyone but Bush.

Anyway, if you are interested in it there is a book about what happened that night and numerous articles about it. A lot of shady shit went on that night.

I'm not just attacking the republicans here, just using this an example. If we want real laws to protect voting integrity we need to worry less about who has what ID card and do more to regulate how the elections are held, who controls and them and how things are handled. It isn't who votes that matters, it is who counts the votes.

[Socks]

The fact that both parties aren't all over the voting machines makes it clear how much of a sham the elections really are. There is no difference between the two parties, only used as a tool to divide and conquer.

[Tom_PM]

Stats on voter fraud bring it to something like 1/10th of 1 percent. It's a scapegoat, red herring, bullsh*t made up "reason" for disenfranchising legitimate voters by imposing ridiculous restrictive rules. Rock on.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

While I agree our system is fucked up, it's because people like Eric Holder is going against the Supreme court

Here's a great article that shows what I'm talking about
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...aud/53658158/1

"The electoral system cannot inspire public confidence if no safeguards exist to deter or detect fraud or to confirm the identity of voters." That was the conclusion of the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, headed by former president Jimmy Carter and former secretary of State James Baker. The commission recommended stronger photo-identification requirements at the polls. Its logic was straightforward and convincing: Americans must show photo identification for all kinds of day-to-day activities, such as cashing checks or entering government buildings. The many photo ID requirements we encounter in our daily lives are legitimate, effective security measures. Securing the ballot box is just as important.



What the DOJ and the democrats have a problem with it they want all forms of ID to be accepted. I contend that state ID's are fine for security.

Except there is almost no voter fraud, certainly nothing statistically significant that is being prevented by these laws. The reason republicans push these voter laws is simply to make it harder for their opposition to vote. They are passing laws for a reason that doesn't exist

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It sounds like the DOJ is being used by the democratic party to strenghen their vote numbers.

Sounds to me like... The DOJ is, um, I don't know, doing it's fucking job?

DOJ found someone breaking the law, DOJ is trying to ensure it doesn't happen again.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

DOJ arrested Texas woman for illegally voting 5 times in same election

A few days later, the DOJ brings a lawsuit to stop the new Texas voter ID law

It may be hard for you to think this one all the way through, but lets try anyway...

DOJ busts a woman voting 5 times without the new Texas voter ID law.

Perhaps DOJ is confident that existing voter registration laws will allow it to properly do its job?

You do know that the fight is over the Supreme Court ruling in June that states do not have to obey certain parts of the 1965 Voter Rights Law, including the requirement that they notify the DOJ before changing their voting laws?

You do know why the 1965 Voter Rights Law came about, right?

You realize that it is Southern states that hate the 1965 Voter Rights Law, right?

Finally, you realize that it has predominately been the Southern states that have tried to smother the rights of minorities, right? It did not stop when the Civil War ended.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by bossku69

Another successful story of tax dollars being well spent.

All truthfulness, I bet this investigation "cost" upwards over $2mm

Based on what?

Originally Posted by **********

Vendzilla,

The truth is there is almost no voter fraud committed by people voting more than once or lying about who they are etc.

The truth is, as a Canadian your opinion means naught.

Originally Posted by Socks

The fact that both parties aren't all over the voting machines makes it clear how much of a sham the elections really are.

See above.

[bronco67]

You think bringing up a story about 5 votes is some kind of counter to the nationwide push by Republican controlled states to shut out the opposition by slipping through specially tailored legislation?

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by **********

Vendzilla,

The truth is there is almost no voter fraud committed by people voting more than once or lying about who they are etc.

The real voter fraud is being commited by republicans in office who are stripping away voter rights and making it harder for minorities to vote.

It's no secret that more black people, brown people and students voted democrat in the past 2 elections. These stats, available anywhere, is what sickens republicans the most. Republicans simply cannot win on their platform or ideology. What they want is old, out of date, racist and just plain wrong.

Here's what republicans need to get though their heads. Everyone has the RIGHT to vote. It should be easier, not harder, to vote. Women must have the right to terminate their pregnancy. Black and brown people are just as smart and or have the same abilities and rights as white people. Labour and other unions are a good thing. Gays should be allowed to marry. Obamacare, which was originally a republican idea, is a good thing. Socialized medicine is a good thing. Socialism is NOT communism (get fucking over it you dumb fucks!). There is no excuse for not having a basic understanding of science and how the world works. The EPA is Not a job killer - it is a world saver. Etc, etc etc.

The fucking republican office now cannot win on their platform alone. The only way they can win is to steal elections. They do this by taking away voter rights and keeping people stupid thanks to fox news. Fox lies to their audience, keeps them scared, and feeds their own opinions back to them, all under republican control.

America is a beautiful country, but your political system is seriously fucked up.

BULLSHIT

You have to have an ID to do almost anything in this country. Well my state anyway.
They need to show ID to get Gov assistance.
ID to Drive
Buy Alcohol
Go to the club
GET A JOB
Porn Store
Rent a car
Cash a check
The list is Endless on how much I use my ID card for.
My State gives you the ID card needed to Vote for FREE.

[icymelon]

one person cheats and then they need to make laws? really? and you don't think this is a ploy by the GOP to try to squeeze a few more votes? read the bills they are passing it's more than just id's.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

BULLSHIT

You have to have an ID to do almost anything in this country. Well my state anyway.
They need to show ID to get Gov assistance.
ID to Drive
Buy Alcohol
Go to the club
GET A JOB
Porn Store
Rent a car
Cash a check
The list is Endless on how much I use my ID card for.
My State gives you the ID card needed to Vote for FREE.

None of those things mentioned, except voting, are specifically guaranteed rights.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by epitome

None of those things mentioned, except voting, are specifically guaranteed rights.

So,
To claim your Right as an American, you should prove you are one...

Thanks...

[PornoMonster]

Oh to get insurance you have to have an ID.
Obama said it is your right to health insurance.........

[blackmonsters]

The caught a whole ONE of them?

Wow, things are way out of control.

[potter]

How exactly would a voter ID law stop her from voting 5 times? It's a voter ID law, not an install computers at every election which show who has or has not voted yet law.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The only proof of a voting right is citizenship proved by;

1. Notarized birth certificate
2. Naturalization Certificate
3. US passport

State IDs, driver's licenses, EBT certificates of eligibility/IDs don't prove jack-shit.
All the federal government needs to do is issue national IDs that state citizenship status -- are you sure you really want that?

Voting fraud was proved in Texas

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by potter

How exactly would a voter ID law stop her from voting 5 times? It's a voter ID law, not an install computers at every election which show who has or has not voted yet law.

When I vote, they look up my name and address on the voting list and then line it out ... Archaic but it cant be tampered with -- they use ink.

[potter]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

When I vote, they look up my name and address on the voting list and then line it out ... Archaic but it cant be tampered with -- they use ink.

So, you then go visit another polling place right? Come on, I shouldn't have to walk you through this. My original statement was very clear.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by epitome

It may be hard for you to think this one all the way through, but lets try anyway...

DOJ busts a woman voting 5 times without the new Texas voter ID law.

Perhaps DOJ is confident that existing voter registration laws will allow it to properly do its job?

You do know that the fight is over the Supreme Court ruling in June that states do not have to obey certain parts of the 1965 Voter Rights Law, including the requirement that they notify the DOJ before changing their voting laws?

You do know why the 1965 Voter Rights Law came about, right?

You realize that it is Southern states that hate the 1965 Voter Rights Law, right?

Finally, you realize that it has predominately been the Southern states that have tried to smother the rights of minorities, right? It did not stop when the Civil War ended.

I know about the Voters rights act of 1965
First
The Act was passed by the U.S. Congress over strong opposition within the Democratic Party. President Lyndon Johnson asked Republican Minority Leader Everett Dirksen for help [2] in breaking the Democratic filibuster. Dirksen spoke on the Senate floor,
? The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing of government, in education, and in employment. It must not be stayed or denied. It is here! ?
Under Johnson, the Senate had not been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a Civil Rights Bill. With Republican support, the final count showed 44 Democrats and 27 Republicans voting to end the filibuster, with 23 Democrats and only 6 Republicans opposed. The formal Senate vote on the bill took place on June 19, 1964. It passed overwhelmingly, 73-27.
The final Senate vote on August 4 was 49 Democrats and 30 Republicans in favor, one Republican and 17 Democrats opposed. Segregationists who voted against the Voting Rights Act were J. William Fulbright [3], awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Bill Clinton, and Al Gore, Sr., father of Democratic Presidential Nominee Al Gore.

Second the section you are going on about, the requirement of the states to notify the DOJ before changing their voting laws, was only suppose to be temporary, 5 years, and has been extended several times

Third, Bill Clinton violated the Voters Rights act of 1965 while the Governor of Arkansas

Clinton vs Jeffers
The Supreme Justices wrote:
Bill Clinton does not dispute here -- that violations of the fourteenth or fifteenth amendment justifying equitable relief have occurred in Arkansas. In May 1990, the district court turned to those claims, holding that "the State of Arkansas has committed a number of constitutional violations of the voting rights of black citizens." J.S. App. A5. In particular, the court determined that the "State has systematically and deliberately enacted new majority-vote requirements for municipal offices, in an effort to frustrate black political success in elections traditionally requiring only a plurality to win." In 1990...Devotion to majority rule for local offices lay dormant as long as the plurality system produced white office-holders. But whenever black candidates used this system successfully -- and victory by a plurality has been virtually their only chance of success in at-large elections in majority-white cities ? the response was swift and certain. Laws were passed in an attempt to close off this avenue of black political victory.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Obama said it is your right to health insurance.........

He would be wrong.

Originally Posted by potter

So, you then go visit another polling place right? Come on, I shouldn't have to walk you through this. My original statement was very clear.

I don't know about IL, but in CA you only have one polling station you can vote at. Relatively confident they are not sending a printout of every registered citizen to every polling station in the state.

[Why]

texas has been fucking with their voters for far too long, about time someone slapped them around a bit.

those fucks keep re-arranging districts to get rid of the last few bastions of blue in the state so they can steamroll democracy. there is much more to this argument then simply showing ID.

fuck texas!

[crockett]

When I lived in Daytona I voted in three diffrent districts yet I didn't move a single time. Each year it was a diffrent location due to republicians jerrymandering and trying to steal the elections.

One year they managed to have my vote thrown out, by challenging my right to vote.

Republicans are pretty much dirt on my shoes as far as I'm concerned. Democrats might not be perfect or even close, but at least they arent trying to destroy this country.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Why

texas has been fucking with their voters for far too long, about time someone slapped them around a bit.

those fucks keep re-arranging districts to get rid of the last few bastions of blue in the state so they can steamroll democracy. there is much more to this argument then simply showing ID.

fuck texas!

Originally Posted by crockett

When I lived in Daytona I voted in three diffrent districts yet I didn't move a single time. Each year it was a diffrent location due to republicians jerrymandering and trying to steal the elections.

One year they managed to have my vote thrown out, by challenging my right to vote.

Republicans are pretty much dirt on my shoes as far as I'm concerned. Democrats might not be perfect or even close, but at least they arent trying to destroy this country.

Gerrymandering, changing district lines has been going on since the 1780s, Patrick Henry tried to shape Virginia's House district lines to block James Madison from serving in the first U.S. Congress.

I know there are times when it has to be done, because of people moving and some counties growing a lot faster than others, but I'm against this practice for the soul use of getting themselves re-elected.

Republicans and Democrats do this and it's wrong.

They are even counting prisoners in prisons as non voters, to up the population to help move lines in their favor. I was living in Nor Cal when they shifted the lines and come voting day, most people didn't know where to vote because they had been going to the same place for over 30 years. Someone finally parked their car there and handed out maps.

[kane]

Originally Posted by crockett

When I lived in Daytona I voted in three diffrent districts yet I didn't move a single time. Each year it was a diffrent location due to republicians jerrymandering and trying to steal the elections.

One year they managed to have my vote thrown out, by challenging my right to vote.

Republicans are pretty much dirt on my shoes as far as I'm concerned. Democrats might not be perfect or even close, but at least they arent trying to destroy this country.

It is politics as usual.

The republicans look around and see the voter landscape changing. Latinos are the fastest growing segment of the population in this country. The current generation that is age 15-25 is far more liberal than many previous generations when it comes to social causes. They don't have the racial and sexual hangups their parents and grandparents do. They go to church much less and they are often for gay marriage.

This means the republicans have a couple of options. If they want to win the white house they will have change some of their positions on certain issues and they will have to nominate a candidate that can at least draw some of these votes over to them. That is going to be hard to do because more and more people are registering as independents. Many of those remaining registered republicans are hardcore right wingers. Since they are the ones that vote for their nominee it is hard for a moderate to win the nomination.

So, at the moment it doesn't look like they are changing the party line. The next best option is to make sure that they always hold at least one of the houses. With the redistricting that they have done they have helped themselves out a lot as far as being able to win seats in the house. Of course, the side effect of this is that some of these seats are going to extreme right wingers who won't work with the rest of the republican party so those seats aren't doing them as much good as they would like. Both parties will play the redistricting game, but right now the republicans are in charge of that and they are waging an all our redistricting battle.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

When I vote, they look up my name and address on the voting list and then line it out ... Archaic but it cant be tampered with -- they use ink.

Exactly....

Only way around this is to register several names and addresses, thus needing an ID.
Yes, you could get an ID for All the addresses, but umm yeah...

[tony286]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...ed-states.html
A new nationwide analysis of more than 2,000 cases of alleged election fraud over the past dozen years shows that in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which has prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tougher voter ID laws, was virtually non-existent.

The analysis of 2,068 reported fraud cases by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation since 2000. With 146 million registered voters in the United States, those represent about one for every 15 million prospective voters.

The News21 report is based on a national public-records search in which reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of alleged fraudulent activity -- including registration fraud; absentee-ballot fraud; vote buying; false election counts; campaign fraud; the casting of ballots by ineligible voters, such as felons and non-citizens; double voting; and voter impersonation.

The analysis found that there is more alleged fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than in any of the other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of alleged absentee-ballot fraud and 400 cases involving registration fraud. Requiring voters to show identification at the polls -- the crux of most of the new legislation -- would not have prevented those cases.

The analysis also found that more than 46 percent of the reported election-fraud allegations resulted in acquittals, dropped charges or decisions not to bring charges.

In many cases, people simply made mistakes. Felons or non-citizens sometimes registered to vote or cast votes because they were confused about their eligibility. Some voters accidentally cast their ballots twice or went to the wrong precinct. And election officials made mistakes, such as clerical errors -- giving voters ballots when they had already voted -- and errors because of confusion about eligibility.

Claudel Gilbert, a Haitian immigrant in Ohio who had changed his address in 2006, received two registration cards in the mail and said he thought he had to vote in both places for his vote to count. In four other cases, people were accused of double voting for filling out their ballot and their spouses'.

Voter impersonation

Voter-impersonation fraud has attracted intense attention in recent years as Republicans and others have argued that strict voter-ID laws are needed to prevent widespread fraud.

The case has been made repeatedly by the Republican National Lawyers Association. Part of the group's mission is advancing "open, fair and honest elections," and it has compiled a list of about 375 election-fraud cases, based mostly on news reports.

News21 examined those cases and found that 77 were alleged fraud by voters. Of those, News21 could verify that 33 resulted in convictions or guilty pleas. The analysis shows no cases of voter-impersonation fraud.

Many voter-ID supporters argue that the measures are needed to ensure the integrity of elections, no matter how many violations have occurred.

"Whether you have proof of it or not, what in the heavens is wrong with showing an ID at polls?" said Bill Denny, a Republican state representative in Mississippi who sponsored his state's voter-ID bill.

Civil-rights and voting-rights activists condemn the ID laws as a way of disenfranchising minorities, students, senior citizens and the disabled.

"It's simply a new big burden on the backs of people who just want to have their voices heard during elections," said Eddie Hailes, managing director and general counsel of the Advancement Project, a civil-rights group challenging voter-ID laws in Texas, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Indiana and Georgia were the first states to pass strict voter-ID laws, in 2007 and 2008, respectively.

Efforts accelerated after the elections of 2010, when Republicans took over statehouses across the country. Since then, Republican-dominated legislatures -- with the exception of Rhode Island, where Democrats passed a photo-ID law -- have considered 62 ID bills.

Nine states -- Alabama, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin -- passed stricter voter-ID laws, though only the Kansas, Pennsylvania and Tennessee measures are scheduled to be in effect by November.

The Pennsylvania law has drawn considerable attention, particularly after Republican Mike Turzai, Pennsylvania's House majority leader, said in a video that has since gone viral that the state's new law "is going to allow Governor (Mitt) Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania -- done."

Last week, a state judge upheld the Pennsylvania law, but opponents vowed to appeal.

In a pretrial stipulation, Pennsylvania officials said they would offer no evidence that "in-person voter fraud has in fact occurred in Pennsylvania or elsewhere" or that "in-person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absence of a Photo ID law."

Pennsylvania officials, who responded to the News21 public-record requests, also reported no cases of Election Day voter-impersonation fraud since 2000.

Stealing federal elections

Some advocates of voter-ID laws say voter fraud is used to steal federal elections.

In one of the few cases in the News21 database explicitly involving federal candidates, four Indiana Democratic Party officials were accused in 2008 of forging signatures on petitions to get then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the state primary ballot. No one was convicted.

The News21 analysis shows that 34 states had at least one case of registration fraud -- an irregularity that occurred during the registration process, not when someone voted -- and that many such cases were associated with third-party voter-registration groups.

The solution, some say, is to enact new laws while also making it easier to vote.

Trey Grayson, a former Republican Kentucky secretary of state and now the director of the Institute of Politics at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, suggests that voter-identification laws could be paired with Election Day registration.

Grayson criticizes many opponents of voter-identification laws, suggesting that their focus on voter suppression may have an adverse effect on turnout.

"One of the criticisms I would have of the attorney general and others who have made this a big deal," he said, "is, by raising the issue and the way they are raising it, rather than trying to go around and get people IDs, sort of raising the specter of all this, they may also be suppressing the vote with their reaction to it."



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...#ixzz2d764FjHd

[arock10]

Originally Posted by tony286

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...ed-states.html
A new nationwide analysis of more than 2,000 cases of alleged election fraud over the past dozen years shows that in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which has prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tougher voter ID laws, was virtually non-existent.

The analysis of 2,068 reported fraud cases by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation since 2000. With 146 million registered voters in the United States, those represent about one for every 15 million prospective voters.

The News21 report is based on a national public-records search in which reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of alleged fraudulent activity -- including registration fraud; absentee-ballot fraud; vote buying; false election counts; campaign fraud; the casting of ballots by ineligible voters, such as felons and non-citizens; double voting; and voter impersonation.

The analysis found that there is more alleged fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than in any of the other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of alleged absentee-ballot fraud and 400 cases involving registration fraud. Requiring voters to show identification at the polls -- the crux of most of the new legislation -- would not have prevented those cases.

The analysis also found that more than 46 percent of the reported election-fraud allegations resulted in acquittals, dropped charges or decisions not to bring charges.

In many cases, people simply made mistakes. Felons or non-citizens sometimes registered to vote or cast votes because they were confused about their eligibility. Some voters accidentally cast their ballots twice or went to the wrong precinct. And election officials made mistakes, such as clerical errors -- giving voters ballots when they had already voted -- and errors because of confusion about eligibility.

Claudel Gilbert, a Haitian immigrant in Ohio who had changed his address in 2006, received two registration cards in the mail and said he thought he had to vote in both places for his vote to count. In four other cases, people were accused of double voting for filling out their ballot and their spouses'.

Voter impersonation

Voter-impersonation fraud has attracted intense attention in recent years as Republicans and others have argued that strict voter-ID laws are needed to prevent widespread fraud.

The case has been made repeatedly by the Republican National Lawyers Association. Part of the group's mission is advancing "open, fair and honest elections," and it has compiled a list of about 375 election-fraud cases, based mostly on news reports.

News21 examined those cases and found that 77 were alleged fraud by voters. Of those, News21 could verify that 33 resulted in convictions or guilty pleas. The analysis shows no cases of voter-impersonation fraud.

Many voter-ID supporters argue that the measures are needed to ensure the integrity of elections, no matter how many violations have occurred.

"Whether you have proof of it or not, what in the heavens is wrong with showing an ID at polls?" said Bill Denny, a Republican state representative in Mississippi who sponsored his state's voter-ID bill.

Civil-rights and voting-rights activists condemn the ID laws as a way of disenfranchising minorities, students, senior citizens and the disabled.

"It's simply a new big burden on the backs of people who just want to have their voices heard during elections," said Eddie Hailes, managing director and general counsel of the Advancement Project, a civil-rights group challenging voter-ID laws in Texas, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Indiana and Georgia were the first states to pass strict voter-ID laws, in 2007 and 2008, respectively.

Efforts accelerated after the elections of 2010, when Republicans took over statehouses across the country. Since then, Republican-dominated legislatures -- with the exception of Rhode Island, where Democrats passed a photo-ID law -- have considered 62 ID bills.

Nine states -- Alabama, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin -- passed stricter voter-ID laws, though only the Kansas, Pennsylvania and Tennessee measures are scheduled to be in effect by November.

The Pennsylvania law has drawn considerable attention, particularly after Republican Mike Turzai, Pennsylvania's House majority leader, said in a video that has since gone viral that the state's new law "is going to allow Governor (Mitt) Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania -- done."

Last week, a state judge upheld the Pennsylvania law, but opponents vowed to appeal.

In a pretrial stipulation, Pennsylvania officials said they would offer no evidence that "in-person voter fraud has in fact occurred in Pennsylvania or elsewhere" or that "in-person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absence of a Photo ID law."

Pennsylvania officials, who responded to the News21 public-record requests, also reported no cases of Election Day voter-impersonation fraud since 2000.

Stealing federal elections

Some advocates of voter-ID laws say voter fraud is used to steal federal elections.

In one of the few cases in the News21 database explicitly involving federal candidates, four Indiana Democratic Party officials were accused in 2008 of forging signatures on petitions to get then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the state primary ballot. No one was convicted.

The News21 analysis shows that 34 states had at least one case of registration fraud -- an irregularity that occurred during the registration process, not when someone voted -- and that many such cases were associated with third-party voter-registration groups.

The solution, some say, is to enact new laws while also making it easier to vote.

Trey Grayson, a former Republican Kentucky secretary of state and now the director of the Institute of Politics at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, suggests that voter-identification laws could be paired with Election Day registration.

Grayson criticizes many opponents of voter-identification laws, suggesting that their focus on voter suppression may have an adverse effect on turnout.

"One of the criticisms I would have of the attorney general and others who have made this a big deal," he said, "is, by raising the issue and the way they are raising it, rather than trying to go around and get people IDs, sort of raising the specter of all this, they may also be suppressing the vote with their reaction to it."



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nah bro we need protection from fraud. its everywhere!!!!!!

[kane]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Exactly....

Only way around this is to register several names and addresses, thus needing an ID.
Yes, you could get an ID for All the addresses, but umm yeah...

The simple solution is to vote by mail. When you register you have to put your SSN on the registration card. They send all registered voters a ballot. You fill it out and mail it back. They scan the ballot and it shows that you have voted.

Then, as you say, the only way to commit fraud would be to register several times, however, you would need several different social security numbers for this.

This solves the problem. No ID needed. No standing in lines. No questionable voting machines. It is simple and easy.

[Vendzilla]

I think the only way that the full public will trust the vote is if there are state ID's involved.

Having trust with both sides would be a good thing

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think the only way that the full public will trust the vote is if there are state ID's involved.

Having trust with both sides would be a good thing

Why do you hate democracy?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by kane

The simple solution is to vote by mail. When you register you have to put your SSN on the registration card. They send all registered voters a ballot. You fill it out and mail it back. They scan the ballot and it shows that you have voted.

Then, as you say, the only way to commit fraud would be to register several times, however, you would need several different social security numbers for this.

This solves the problem. No ID needed. No standing in lines. No questionable voting machines. It is simple and easy.

Your SSN was never meant to be used as a id, so it's a bad idea to tie it to a voters id.

[SuckOnThis]

Another Conservative Admits Voter ID Laws Work To Suppress The Vote

[kane]

Originally Posted by crockett

Your SSN was never meant to be used as a id, so it's a bad idea to tie it to a voters id.

Why is that? It is good enough for the IRS, why isn't it good enough for a voter ID.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by crockett

Your SSN was never meant to be used as a id, so it's a bad idea to tie it to a voters id.

Originally Posted by kane

Why is that? It is good enough for the IRS, why isn't it good enough for a voter ID.

As important as a person's right to vote is, they could come up with a new voter registration system that works like a SSN. I still can't believe that the SSN card hasn't been updated to be made out of something besides paper. Even food stamps have gone the way of EBT

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by epitome

None of those things mentioned, except voting, are specifically guaranteed rights.

You need an ID to purchase a firearm, and that is a specifically guaranteed right....

...and voting can cause a hell of a lot more problems and even deaths than owning a gun....














.

[kane]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You need an ID to purchase a firearm, and that is a specifically guaranteed right....

...and voting can cause a hell of a lot more problems and even deaths than owning a gun....














.

I can buy a firearm from a private party with no ID.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You need an ID to purchase a firearm, and that is a specifically guaranteed right....

...and voting can cause a hell of a lot more problems and even deaths than owning a gun....














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I can buy a firearm from a private party and the only restriction is they can't know I'm a felon. I could be a felon but they don't actually have to check. This is the only restriction.


clearly we need looser gun control, this is oppressing my rights