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Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 07:55 AM

Judge in rape case criticized for light sentence, remarks about victim

'Montana jurist gives a former teacher 30 days in jail for the rape of a 14-year-old student, and then calls the victim 'older than her chronological age.'

A Montana judge has come under fire after handing down a 30-day sentence to a former high school teacher convicted of raping a 14-year-old student and for making statements in court that the victim was "older than her chronological age" and "as much in control of the situation" as her teacher.

Outrage is particularly sharp in Billings, where the crime took place, because the girl committed suicide in 2010, just shy of her 17th birthday, as the criminal case was pending. A protest was planned for Thursday, and organizers have called on Montana District Judge G. Todd Baugh to resign.

The uproar began Monday when Baugh sentenced Stacey Dean Rambold, 54, to 15 years in prison on one count of sexual intercourse without consent, but then suspended all but 31 days and gave him credit for one day served. Prosecutors had asked for 20 years in prison, with 10 years suspended.

Baugh said that after reviewing statements made by the girl before her death, he concluded that she was a troubled youth. He then made the controversial remarks, including that he thought the girl had been "as much in control of the situation" as Rambold. The girl's mother, Auliea Hanlon, was in the courtroom and screamed at the judge before storming out, according to the Associated Press.

On Wednesday, Baugh apologized in a letter to the Billings Gazette newspaper, conceding his words were "demeaning of all women." He also said that while a 14-year-old "obviously" cannot consent, "I think that people have in mind that this was some violent, forcible, horrible rape.? It was horrible enough as it is just given her age, but it wasn't this forcible beat-up rape."

Under Montana state law, minors under the age of 16 cannot consent to sex.

"I don't believe in justice anymore," Hanlon said in a statement. "She wasn't even old enough to get a driver's license."

Protest organizer Sheena Rice called the judge's language "horrific."

"Judges should be protecting our most vulnerable children ? not enabling rapists by placing blame on victims," she said.

Rambold was first charged in 2008 with three felony counts of sexual intercourse without consent after the girl reported to a church counselor that she had been sexually assaulted by a teacher, court documents show.

After the girl's death, Rambold admitted to one rape charge and entered a plea agreement in which the case would be dismissed provided he complete a sex-offender treatment program and meet other conditions, including having no unsupervised contact with children.

Prosecutors re-filed the charges in December after learning he had been terminated from the treatment program for having unsupervised visits with family members who were minors, according to court documents.

Jay Lansing, Rambold's attorney, had argued that Rambold had "already suffered as a result of his conduct," losing his career and his standing in the community. Lansing, who argued for the same sentence Baugh ultimately delivered, declined to comment Wednesday.

Prosecutor Scott Twito said his office was reviewing the sentence, which relied on an exception in state law that gives the judge latitude on sentencing in cases of sex with minors.

"I think the outcome could have been very different if the judge didn't have the freedom to make those choices," said Marian Bradley, president of Montana's National Organization for Women. Bradley and others are asking the governor and attorney general to review Baugh's actions.

In a statement to The Times, Gov. Steve Bullock said Baugh's comments left him "angry" and "disappointed," but that the Judicial Standards Commission handles complaints about a judge's actions.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...,1463530.story

whOaKemosabe · 08-29-2013, 07:56 AM

sounds fucked up, yet if she would not have commited suicide he would have got longer term? no

Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by whOaKemosabe

sounds fucked up, yet if she would not have commited suicide he would have got longer term? no

I'm thinking she shouldn't have been shamed into suicide, and yes they guy should no longer be a judge and the teacher should get life

_Richard_ · 08-29-2013, 08:31 AM

yes it does

and it says a great deal about that judge.

Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

yes it does

and it says a great deal about that judge.

and who appointed

_Richard_ · 08-29-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

and who appointed

well, i suppose, but id be wanting to ask a few questions on why this guy seems to think a 14 year old child would be able to 'make her own decisions', and exactly what thought process/experience made him come to that rather fucked up conclusion.

Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

well, i suppose, but id be wanting to ask a few questions on why this guy seems to think a 14 year old child would be able to 'make her own decisions', and exactly what thought process/experience made him come to that rather fucked up conclusion.

AND the guy is a teacher

_Richard_ · 08-29-2013, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

AND the guy is a teacher

im talking specifically about the judge.. one just doesn't 'think up' that a 14 year old is capable of making the same level of decisions as an adult

without prior 'justification'..

adendreams · 08-29-2013, 09:04 AM

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Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

im talking specifically about the judge.. one just doesn't 'think up' that a 14 year old is capable of making the same level of decisions as an adult

without prior 'justification'..

there is no real justification for a teacher abusing a 14 year old girl, that's criminal. no 14 year old girl can be expected to have clear, strong boundaries and can be very easily manipulated. the teacher is a solid predator... who places no value on anyone's needs except his own...

the judge is an asshole and should be fired... imagine that was your daughter

Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

OK GFY here is your chance to actually do something other than bitch:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/res...w&r_by=8646657

lets help remove that fucking judge

thanks, you just search that up?

adendreams · 08-29-2013, 09:13 AM

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adendreams · 08-29-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

thanks, you just search that up?

signed them last night

when a judge says this about a 14 year old victim, that she was "older than her chronological age" - he's probably a child rapist himself

_Richard_ · 08-29-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

there is no real justification for a teacher abusing a 14 year old girl, that's criminal. no 14 year old girl can be expected to have clear, strong boundaries and can be very easily manipulated. the teacher is a solid predator... who places no value on anyone's needs except his own...

the judge is an asshole and should be fired... imagine that was your daughter

yea you're not really getting what i am saying, anyway.

i didn't realize the kid was a minority.. all this makes a lot more sense.

Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

yea you're not really getting what i am saying, anyway.

i didn't realize the kid was a minority.. all this makes a lot more sense.

In had no idea the kid is a minority... that make it okay to you?

Va2k · 08-29-2013, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

OK GFY here is your chance to actually do something other than bitch:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/res...w&r_by=8646657

lets help remove that fucking judge

DONE and posted on my own personal face book account! Thanks!

Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fungus

DONE and posted on my own personal face book account! Thanks!

now we need to get a petition going to get the fuck out of Syria

_Richard_ · 08-29-2013, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

In had no idea the kid is a minority... that make it okay to you?

what did you just imply?

Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

what did you just imply?

why did you bring up race?

"i didn't realize the kid was a minority.. all this makes a lot more sense."

your comment makes no sense to me at all, even though is seems that your comment makes sense to you...

_Richard_ · 08-29-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

why did you bring up race?

"i didn't realize the kid was a minority.. all this makes a lot more sense."

your comment makes no sense to me at all, even though is seems that your comment makes sense to you...

i didn't realize the child was a minority.

Do you think if the child was white, the judge would have said the same things?

adendreams · 08-29-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i didn't realize the child was a minority.

Do you think if the child was white, the judge would have said the same things?

Valid point to bring up - NO CHANCE that guy would have walked if the victim had been a pretty little white girl.

Grapesoda · 08-29-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i didn't realize the child was a minority.

Do you think if the child was white, the judge would have said the same things?

have no idea, don't really think about kids any other way than kids unless I need too by circumstance.... why are you always looking to play the race card? you fucked up or something?

_Richard_ · 08-29-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Valid point to bring up - NO CHANCE that guy would have walked if the victim had been a pretty little white girl.

you get into arizona.. there is over 500 non-investigated sexual assault cases against minors.. who are mostly hispanic

just fubar.

CyberHustler · 08-29-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Valid point to bring up - NO CHANCE that guy would have walked if the victim had been a pretty little white girl.

freecartoonporn · 08-29-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

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adendreams · 08-30-2013, 08:24 AM

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brassmonkey · 08-30-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 08-30-2013, 02:14 PM

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Judge Apologizes for Teen Rape Remarks, Not Sentence

A Montana judge is under fire for sentencing a 54-year-old former teacher to just 30 days in jail for raping a 14-year-old girl who later committed suicide.

District Judge G. Todd Baugh, in sentencing Stacey Rambold on Monday, said victim Cherice Moralez was "as much in control of the situation" as her teacher, referring to Cherice as a troubled youth "older than her chronological age," the Billings Gazette reports.

Cherice was 16 when she killed herself in 2010 after the case was sent to criminal court.

Baugh stood by his decision Tuesday and again Wednesday.

"Obviously, a 14-year-old can't consent. I think that people have in mind that this was some violent, forcible, horrible rape," Baugh said Tuesday. "It was horrible enough as it is, just given her age, but it wasn't this forcible beat-up rape."

Wednesday, the judge apologized for his remarks but not the sentence.

"I don't know what I was thinking or trying to say," he told the Gazette. "It was just stupid and wrong."

He submitted a letter to the editor expanding, saying he was "not sure just what I was attempting to say, but it did not come out correct."

"What I said is demeaning of all women, not what I believe and irrelevant to the sentencing," Baugh wrote. "My apologies to all my fellow citizens."

He told the paper he would more thoroughly explain his reasoning behind the sentence and add it to the court file this week.

The sentence came after Rambold was terminated in November from a sex-offender treatment program that was part of a deal to defer prosecution for felony rape, the Gazette reports.

Rambold had been having unsupervised visits with minors, who were family members, and did not inform counselors that he had been having sexual relations with a woman.

The judge said he wasn't convinced that the reasons for Rambold's termination from the program warranted the 10-year prison term recommended by prosecutors.

After his 30-day jail term ends, Rambold will be on supervised probation for 15 years and must register as a sex offender.

Wednesday, the newspaper reported, Baugh reiterated that the sentence was "appropriate given the nature of the case." He compared Monday's hearing to "a probation violation in which a defendant is resentenced for violating terms of a suspended sentence," the Gazette wrote.

Cherice's mother, Auliea Hanlon, left Monday's sentencing hearing screaming, "You people suck," the Gazette reported. Some victims advocates are calling for the judge to be censured.

Tuesday, Hanlon issued a written statement: "As I looked on in disbelief, Judge Baugh stated that our teenage daughter was as much in control of the situation as her teacher was," she wrote. "She wasn't even old enough to get a driver's license. But Judge Baugh, who never met our daughter, justified the paltry sentence saying she was older than her chronological age.

"I guess somehow it makes a rape more acceptable if you blame the victim, even if she was only 14."

A protest was planned for Thursday near the Yellowstone County Courthouse in Billings.

"Something is not right with our system when a judge can make that kind of decision," Marian Bradley of the Montana National Organization for Women told the Gazette. "Unless we show our outrage, none of our children are safe, and no one will think of us. I think the judge needs to be reviewed, and he needs to be sanctioned."

Bradley said she will circulate a petition calling for the state to investigate Baugh's sentence, although county prosecutors said it was within state sentencing guidelines.

?Judge Baugh, who never met our daughter, justified the paltry sentence saying she was older than her chronological age. I guess somehow it makes a rape more acceptable if you blame the victim, even if she was only 14.? ? Auleia Hanlon, victim's mother.

Baugh told the newspaper Tuesday that he stood by his comments that Cherice was a troubled youth who was older than her age when it came to sexual matters. That didn't make Rambold's sex with Cherice any less of a crime, he said.

The teen's death complicated the case, Baugh said.

"I think what people are seeing is a sentence for rape of 30 days. Obviously on the face of it, if you look at it that way, it's crazy," the judge said. "No wonder people are upset. I'd be upset, too, if that happened."

Baugh told the newspaper Tuesday that he stood by his comments that Cherice was a troubled youth who was older than her age when it came to sexual matters. That didn't make Rambold's sex with Cherice any less of a crime, he said.

The teen's death complicated the case, Baugh said.

"I think what people are seeing is a sentence for rape of 30 days. Obviously on the face of it, if you look at it that way, it's crazy," the judge said. "No wonder people are upset. I'd be upset, too, if that happened."

ADG

cherrycrush · 08-31-2013, 03:04 PM

yea its kinda fucked up

nexcom28 · 08-31-2013, 03:21 PM

Reminds me of this similar story http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-8748494.html

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 09-04-2013, 10:51 AM

UPDATE: A new hearing has been ordered. The teacher convicted of rape is now facing a minimum of two years.

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A 30-day rape sentence given to a teacher who admitted to raping his 14-year-old student may be illegal, according to the Montana judge who imposed it.

The judge scheduled a new hearing for Friday.

"The Defendant shall be present at argument as the Court, if necessary and appropriate, will amend the mandatory minimum portion of the sentence," read a court order filed Tuesday.

It appears the mandatory minimum is two years, not 30 days, the order said.

"In this Court's opinion, imposing a sentence which suspends more than the mandatory minimum would be an illegal sentence," it continued.

The case drew widespread attention when District Judge G. Todd Baugh imposed the 30-day sentence on Stacey Dean Rambold and made controversial comments about the victim, saying she "seemed older than her chronological age."

There is an investigation into the judge's earlier 30-day sentence being conducted as well.

ADG

08-29-2013, 07:55 AM	#1
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	does this seem completely fucked up to you? Judge in rape case criticized for light sentence, remarks about victim 'Montana jurist gives a former teacher 30 days in jail for the rape of a 14-year-old student, and then calls the victim 'older than her chronological age.' A Montana judge has come under fire after handing down a 30-day sentence to a former high school teacher convicted of raping a 14-year-old student and for making statements in court that the victim was "older than her chronological age" and "as much in control of the situation" as her teacher. Outrage is particularly sharp in Billings, where the crime took place, because the girl committed suicide in 2010, just shy of her 17th birthday, as the criminal case was pending. A protest was planned for Thursday, and organizers have called on Montana District Judge G. Todd Baugh to resign. The uproar began Monday when Baugh sentenced Stacey Dean Rambold, 54, to 15 years in prison on one count of sexual intercourse without consent, but then suspended all but 31 days and gave him credit for one day served. Prosecutors had asked for 20 years in prison, with 10 years suspended. Baugh said that after reviewing statements made by the girl before her death, he concluded that she was a troubled youth. He then made the controversial remarks, including that he thought the girl had been "as much in control of the situation" as Rambold. The girl's mother, Auliea Hanlon, was in the courtroom and screamed at the judge before storming out, according to the Associated Press. On Wednesday, Baugh apologized in a letter to the Billings Gazette newspaper, conceding his words were "demeaning of all women." He also said that while a 14-year-old "obviously" cannot consent, "I think that people have in mind that this was some violent, forcible, horrible rape.? It was horrible enough as it is just given her age, but it wasn't this forcible beat-up rape." Under Montana state law, minors under the age of 16 cannot consent to sex. "I don't believe in justice anymore," Hanlon said in a statement. "She wasn't even old enough to get a driver's license." Protest organizer Sheena Rice called the judge's language "horrific." "Judges should be protecting our most vulnerable children ? not enabling rapists by placing blame on victims," she said. Rambold was first charged in 2008 with three felony counts of sexual intercourse without consent after the girl reported to a church counselor that she had been sexually assaulted by a teacher, court documents show. After the girl's death, Rambold admitted to one rape charge and entered a plea agreement in which the case would be dismissed provided he complete a sex-offender treatment program and meet other conditions, including having no unsupervised contact with children. Prosecutors re-filed the charges in December after learning he had been terminated from the treatment program for having unsupervised visits with family members who were minors, according to court documents. Jay Lansing, Rambold's attorney, had argued that Rambold had "already suffered as a result of his conduct," losing his career and his standing in the community. Lansing, who argued for the same sentence Baugh ultimately delivered, declined to comment Wednesday. Prosecutor Scott Twito said his office was reviewing the sentence, which relied on an exception in state law that gives the judge latitude on sentencing in cases of sex with minors. "I think the outcome could have been very different if the judge didn't have the freedom to make those choices," said Marian Bradley, president of Montana's National Organization for Women. Bradley and others are asking the governor and attorney general to review Baugh's actions. In a statement to The Times, Gov. Steve Bullock said Baugh's comments left him "angry" and "disappointed," but that the Judicial Standards Commission handles complaints about a judge's actions. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...,1463530.story

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08-29-2013, 07:56 AM	#2
whOaKemosabe So Fucking Stoned... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,968	sounds fucked up, yet if she would not have commited suicide he would have got longer term? no

08-29-2013, 08:31 AM	#4
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,984	yes it does and it says a great deal about that judge.

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nexcom28 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,716	Reminds me of this similar story http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-8748494.html