Compulsory Speed Limiters for British Cars?

[wehateporn]

EU plans to install speed limiters in ALL cars?

http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/eu-plans...rs-in-all-cars

"EU plans to mandate speed limiters in all cars have been revealed ahead of formal proposals being published in the autumn ? and British Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin is reportedly furious with them.

The proposals would see all cars in the EU fitted with speed limiter technology. This would read road speed limit signs and automatically slow the car down if it was going too fast.

The plans are said to be part of proposals being developed by the EC?s Mobility and Transportation department ? so-called ?Intelligent Speed Adaptation?, or ISA, would be a key part of the new road safety scheme.

The technology already exists in many new cars, which have cameras mounted by the rear-view mirror that scan for speed limit signs and display the limit on the dashboard.

The new EU plans would be a step further though, actually braking the car and not allowing it to travel faster than the signposted limit for that road.

Roads that do not carry signs would use speed limit information stored in the sat nav system and stick to that speed limit instead ? technically making it impossible to go faster than 70mph.

Such technology is already used in trucks and HGVs. The EU reportedly favours it because it?s cheap and easy ? and able to harness technology already being fitted by car manufacturers.

The EU would also demand older cars to be retrofitted with the new technology, to ensure no car on the road could go faster than 70mph.

Mail Online says McLoughlin ?erupted? when he read about the plans, and has instructed British officials to block the moves. ?This has Big Brother written all over it,? a source told the news channel.

30,000 people die every year on EU roads: the EC believes 6,000 of them could be saved every year by the adaptation of speed limiter technology.

There were 1,754 road deaths on UK roads last year: the lowest since records began in 1926."

http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/eu-plans...rs-in-all-cars

[nexcom28]

This my friends is the future of motoring right here.

Actually, fuck it.. this is the future of society. Big brother watching everything and controlling all, mock it all you like it's only a matter of time.

[JFK]

fucking ridiculous , I hope the Germans will stand up and be counted

[DVTimes]

In germany you can drive any spped you want on motorways so i cannot see them having it.

personaly i would not mind it if you could turn it on or off.

i say this as in leeds we have sooo many speed cameras and often your not sure what speed you can do. often it goes from 40 to 30.

[DWB]

I usually don't like anyone telling the people what to do, but in this case I welcome it. It will saves lives and probably lower insurance rates. With lower speed accidents, car manufactures may be able to make the cars a little cheaper too.

Speeding or driving like a dick head isn't a right.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

EU plans to install speed limiters in ALL cars?

http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/eu-plans...rs-in-all-cars

"EU plans to mandate speed limiters in all cars have been revealed ahead of formal proposals being published in the autumn ? and British Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin is reportedly furious with them.

The proposals would see all cars in the EU fitted with speed limiter technology. This would read road speed limit signs and automatically slow the car down if it was going too fast.

The plans are said to be part of proposals being developed by the EC?s Mobility and Transportation department ? so-called ?Intelligent Speed Adaptation?, or ISA, would be a key part of the new road safety scheme.

The technology already exists in many new cars, which have cameras mounted by the rear-view mirror that scan for speed limit signs and display the limit on the dashboard.

The new EU plans would be a step further though, actually braking the car and not allowing it to travel faster than the signposted limit for that road.

Roads that do not carry signs would use speed limit information stored in the sat nav system and stick to that speed limit instead ? technically making it impossible to go faster than 70mph.

Such technology is already used in trucks and HGVs. The EU reportedly favours it because it?s cheap and easy ? and able to harness technology already being fitted by car manufacturers.

The EU would also demand older cars to be retrofitted with the new technology, to ensure no car on the road could go faster than 70mph.

Mail Online says McLoughlin ?erupted? when he read about the plans, and has instructed British officials to block the moves. ?This has Big Brother written all over it,? a source told the news channel.

30,000 people die every year on EU roads: the EC believes 6,000 of them could be saved every year by the adaptation of speed limiter technology.

There were 1,754 road deaths on UK roads last year: the lowest since records began in 1926."

http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/eu-plans...rs-in-all-cars

With idiots like you on their roads, who can blame them?

[Brent 3dSexCash]

I actually thought this speed control thing was a joke when i first read it. More depressing than governments actually coming up with this idea is people actually agreeing with it.

[L-Pink]

No guns, no hauling ass, what a pussy country.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by DWB

I usually don't like anyone telling the people what to do, but in this case I welcome it. It will saves lives and probably lower insurance rates. With lower speed accidents, car manufactures may be able to make the cars a little cheaper too.

Speeding or driving like a dick head isn't a right.

Who are you and what did you do with DWB, lol? It's completely against your outlaw world view and lifestyle to support the government artificially limiting the speed at which cars can move at. Not to mention incredibly dangerous from a practical perspective if a vehicle can't move or accelerate at will to avoid obstacles.

[sandman!]

what happens if you break the camera in the car ?

[Si]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Not to mention incredibly dangerous from a practical perspective if a vehicle can't move or accelerate at will to avoid obstacles.

Really? Please give me an example.

[georgeyw]

I cannot see this working very well.

Cars jamming on their brakes automatically when they come across new roadworks signs, older cars would never ever be able to be retrofitted with this tech unless it was at a huge expense.

Another example of idiocy by the vapid wastes that are in politics...

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by Si

Really? Please give me an example.

It's self explanatory. If a person driving cannot determine the speed, acceleration and/or maneuvering capabilities of the vehicle they are driving down the road then the vehicle is simply not under the full and direct control of the driver.

[Robbie]

Wow, that would be very dangerous.

Say you were passing another vehicle and there is traffic coming up on you in the opposite direction. If you hit the limit and the speed is governed on you...you're gonna end up dead.

[TrafficTitan]

Or the numbnuts next to you is turning into your lane right into you and you go to speed up to avoid him but can't.

[k0nr4d]

This is just politicians pretending to do something...it will never pass because old cars won't have speed limiters. No one would buy these new cars unless they offered some crazy tax incentive or something. No one buying the cars means job losses, etc. People would instead buy old cars that aren't throttled, which would reduce the amount of new "more safe" cars with all their new radars and stuff to automatically stop and keep you in your lane and make sure you don't fall asleep etc. It'll never go through, and even if it does the same people that do chiptuning would be able to strip that limiter off no problem. My car had a 250kph limiter that's been removed...

As for not being able to do it because of germany - that's not a problem, they'd just apply speed limits. Most german highways have speed limits anyways - not that many are unlimited anymore.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Not to mention incredibly dangerous from a practical perspective if a vehicle can't move or accelerate at will to avoid obstacles.

very good point. though the argument against that will be that the number of lives the speed limiter technology saves will be far greater than those who will die because of it.

not sure how i feel about it, pretty much like smokers felt when they were stopped from smoking anywhere, though a smoker can go outside and smoke and smoke inside his own home.

why i think there should be more national referendums where people can actually vote on things that really change the way they live and die - representative democracy is fine most of the time but people should be able to directly vote on some issues. i don't think people should vote directly on going to war or not or what the income tax rates should be but on simple to understand issues like this and the legalisation of popular recreational drugs they should.

[Markul]

They been talking about putting chips in cars to introduce road pricing for years in this country, with a chip like that you could easily also fine people for violating the speed limits - it's fucking lame. Who comes up with these ideas?

[baggg]

good luck introducing this to the germans

[Minte]

Someone will make a fortune coming up with a way to deactivate or block it.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

Fuck dat shit, can't wait to see the M25, 4 lanes all stuck at 70mph with nobody being able to overtake, be like a convoy. Anyway Cameron will probably go for it, same principle as his porn bullshit, some parents (the minority) can't use filters so everybody has to have filters. Some people (the minority) can't drive properly so everybody has to be speed limited. It's fucking bullshit and I'm having none of it.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Who are you and what did you do with DWB, lol? It's completely against your outlaw world view and lifestyle to support the government artificially limiting the speed at which cars can move at. Not to mention incredibly dangerous from a practical perspective if a vehicle can't move or accelerate at will to avoid obstacles.

I was just thinking the same thing lol
Ds

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Who are you and what did you do with DWB, lol? It's completely against your outlaw world view and lifestyle to support the government artificially limiting the speed at which cars can move at. Not to mention incredibly dangerous from a practical perspective if a vehicle can't move or accelerate at will to avoid obstacles.

He's in the basement and I ain't letting him go for anything less than... $10.

I really don't want the government to meddle with anyone, for anything, but do cars really need to do 180+ MPH? It really doesn't matter to me who slows cars down, but if we were all capped at 70 MPH, then that is what we would deal with, as we don't need to be driving any faster than that anyway. If we do, we can hit the track.

My motorbike scooter does something like 90 MPH!!! Who needs a bike that goes that fast to drive around on public roads? Yes, you should be able to drive however you want, but not at the risk of everyone else. If they could contain you so you would only kill yourself, then speed on. Otherwise, why go that fast?

Where I live, we're #6 IN THE WORLD for road accident deaths. (source) The USA is #107. You can not fathom some of the carnage I've seen here, and continue to see regularly, always due to speeding and/or drinking and driving. If cars and bikes here only went 70 MPH, it would probably cut the accidents and deaths down dramatically. And that, I'm all for, however it needs to happen.

Will some get into accidents because they can not speed out of the way? Probably. People will still die, they just won't die in the numbers they do now. No where near.

The fair thing to do is have an autobahn style road in every country where those who want to speed, can speed. Everyone else drives on the normal road and with slower cars and bikes. The choice would then be yours. And after having survived a high speed accident where I should have been killed, and seeing all the accidents here, I will gladly take the slow road where the cars and bikes are capped at a slower speed.

Having said all of that, none of this is going to happen anytime soon, so it's not even worth getting worked up over. I can't imagine the nightmare of converting old cars and forcing everyone into it. Just doesn't seem possible.

[Scott McD]

Funny thing is, it wasn't that long ago they were talking about INCREASING the speed limit to 80mph...

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by baggg

good luck introducing this to the germans

Whats so specifically hard about Germans? Autobahns has no limit hence speed would not be limited there.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Whats so specifically hard about Germans? Autobahns has no limit hence speed would not be limited there.

"The EU reportedly favours it because it?s cheap and easy ? and able to harness technology already being fitted by car manufacturers."

Last time I checked, Germany was in the EU

[Si]

I think a GPS system, where it can pinpoint the limit to the area the car is in, would be a good move. Nobody needs 200mph in a school zone or city.

Give the cars a 10mp/h or km/h margin for error.

Tracks where people should be free to persue their own desires to go fast, would also fall under the GPS system and allow the already legal practise of going nuts on a private track.

If you're going to do it, by no means should it infringe on anyone's privacy. The system does it's job, and people go about their (slightly safer, hopefully) business.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

Originally Posted by Si

I think a GPS system, where it can pinpoint the limit to the area the car is in, would be a good move. Nobody needs 200mph in a school zone or city.

Give the cars a 10mp/h or km/h margin for error.

Tracks where people should be free to persue their own desires to go fast, would also fall under the GPS system and allow the already legal practise of going nuts on a private track.

If you're going to do it, by no means should it infringe on anyone's privacy. The system does it's job, and people go about their (slightly safer, hopefully) business.

You are talking absolute "fantasy" SHIT, who the fuck has ever driven 200MPH IN THE UK ? Even on a motorway, nevermind a fucking backroad school street full of fucking HUMPS. Seriously unless you live and drive in the UK you can shut the fuck up !

[shake]

I doubt that will ever happen, think of what would happen to all the revenue from catching speeders.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

I am not a NUMBER I am a FREE MAN, I will not be stamped, controlled or filed or dictated to:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zKjFgdgp7yY

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by JFK

"The EU reportedly favours it because it?s cheap and easy ? and able to harness technology already being fitted by car manufacturers."

Last time I checked, Germany was in the EU

You completely missed his and my point:
He posted fast speed autobahn and was talking specifically about Germany as if they would not agree to lower speed limits. They would not have to because this system is not about lowering speed limits, its about making cars respect the limits. Autobahn is no limit so this system would not do anything in autobahn.

[L-Pink]

A device governing cell phones would save far more lives that one limiting top speed. How many 70 plus mph accidents really occur compared to texting/talking "driving while distracted" accidents at all speeds.

[Si]

Originally Posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

You are talking absolute "fantasy" SHIT, who the fuck has ever driven 200MPH IN THE UK ? Even on a motorway, nevermind a fucking backroad school street full of fucking HUMPS. Seriously unless you live and drive in the UK you can shut the fuck up !

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news...rway-1-5988526

28 over the limit.

http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/loca...more-1-3063504

"Information obtained by the man showed that during a period of speed measurement last November, a number of vehicles were clocked doing speeds well over the 30 mph limit, with one driver caught doing 76.2 mph."

46.2 over the limit.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/lo...-doing-2237596

"after being clocked at speeds over 117mph in his old Volvo."

Plenty more where they came from.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by Si

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news...rway-1-5988526
28 over the limit.

Wow, seems like a bit of an overreaction... no one here would pull you over for 98mph on the highway

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by nexcom28

This my friends is the future of motoring right here.

Actually, fuck it.. this is the future of society. Big brother watching everything and controlling all, mock it all you like it's only a matter of time.

exactly. And still there are people who believe governments give a fuck about your freedoms. They all see us as low life cattle.

[Si]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Wow, seems like a bit of an overreaction... no one here would pull you over for 98mph on the highway

Just an example of some that make the news.

The escort person above obviously didn't read my post properly anyway, I never said "people drive 200mph in school zones" or, "people are always doing 200mph round London", I meant nobody needs the ability to do 200mph on regular roads "Nobody needs 200mph".

He/she's obviously not a fan of Top Gear.

Why shouldn't a car be limited to 40 mph in a 30 mph speed limit? Why shouldn't a Ferrari be limited until you take it to Brands Hatch, or wherever else offer track days where you can legally let rip?