Rochard

But the United States isn't an empire. We don't need to expand. We don't take land. We bitch smack people, and then leave.

Perhaps we should change that.

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DWB

I didn't make up the links I posted, those either really happened or are about to happen. The real wtf is up is clear in all of those links. And if you spend some time looking deeper into each one, you'll get a lot more info about it. I just quickly listed them. A lot of shit going on right now that is hardly being talked about.

However, I could be wrong and it is all a coincidence. In fact, I hope I am wrong because it sickens me to watch this happen over and over again. However, I'm just looking at what is actually going on and comparing it with what Clark said, and he's a very reputable person. The pieces fit.

notinmybackyard

You know I have come to actually enjoy your internet personality. I hope you are similar in normal life.

So to be the devil's advocate to your argument with 2 questions.

You say and imply that the chemical weapons need to be removed at any cost. How do you feel about the United States and great Britain's use of depleted uranium in Iraq? (Recently Isreal used depleted uranium on Syria)

Depleted Uranium has/is causing hundreds perhaps thousands of birth defects, not to forget that there are thousands of people dying from cancers and that their environment is now a severely toxic wasteland incapable of being cleaned up.

How is taking a nation's nuclear waste and bombing innocent people somehow acceptable but poison gas is not?

Just to make my perspective clear : I do not believe in nations or any form of gouvernement. I believe a happy world is one in which all politicians and military commanders have had their necks placed in the yoke of a guillotine. The only side I support in this conflict (and all conflicts) is that of the innocent. I view people that support war, declare war and willing go and fight wars as subhuman cancerous disease.

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nico-t

They do take land: economically.

mikesinner

It seems perfectly fine for the U.S to use chemical weapons in Vietnam and Iraq but when other countries do it we need to bomb them back to the stone age. This country is full of ignorant hypocrites.

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dyna mo

i try to stay current. i'm not going to pretend i understand everything i read and know but those links don't prove your comments, which i don't get to begin with.

because the op thread topic is a bullshit assesment that the "end goal" of obama's is the same as every president before him for the past few presidents- iran, based on a bullshit article that doesn't even remotely report that.

but that's not enough conjecture for gfy, you have to add to it with hallway chittychat about this big plan to invade 7 nations that not only isn't based in fact, it's not supported by history.

that's going to get me to reply.

DWB

Wrong.

By definition, the USA is an empire.

Wrong.

Most major countries are securing resources currently for the future. They will be needed and will be what future wars are fought over. As populations rise globally, the demand for those resources become greater.




Wrong.

The USA was built on stolen land.

Wrong again.

We almost never leave once we invade a country. The "battle" may be over, but we never leave.

DWB

I'm not trying to persuade you. You're an intelligent dude who will come to his own conclusion when the time comes. I'm just pointing out events that are actually taking place that you were not aware of. Maybe when you have some free time you'll dig into those and get a clearer picture of what is going on there and the set up that's taking place for future conflicts.

dyna mo

we'll see. that said, there's no clear picture to be had from reading some internet stories. it takes a lot more than that. but i do have a fundamental understanding of the diplomatic picture between african nations and the usa.

but tbh, my goals these days are to stay focused on shooting porn pictures and learning how to play the guitar.

i need to do a better job at that.

_Richard_

we should give him another nobel peace prize.. just to see what happens..

Vendzilla

Do we really need another war?
Barry got in office because Bush was waging 2 wars and people were sick of it, period!
Now those same people want us to attack another country? Fuck You!
If we need to send a message fine, park some submarines off the coast and launch a volley of Tomahawks at the presidential palace or where ever Assad lives and vaporize the building. Get good intel to make sure he is there. If we miss, wait for him to stick his head up and make that block of mud huts disappear. But lets not place our servicemen in danger and let's not kill thousands of civilians in the process, OK?

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baddog

So, what happens when you blow up a chemical weapons depot?

Ah, so we can ignore anything and everything coming form you that has anything at all to do with politics. Thanks for the clarification.

Sorry, you are wrong


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an extensive group of states or countries under a single supreme authority, formerly esp. an emperor or empress.

winter_

turkey should invade, if the conflict is not kept within syria but it has to be regional rather than worldly then so be it. where are all the bleeding hearts for african children one dies every two seconds.

scottybuzz

If the USA are after these 7 countries then can someone explain to me what's stopping a Sadam v2 taking advantage of the chaos in Iraq and coming to power ? Same for Libya , Egypt Afghanistan
Then it's the same problem all over again
It's not as if they are installing their own governments in these countries.

_Richard_

gotta research all those vaccines somehow!

notinmybackyard

You are more than welcomed. (sincerely)

Listening to politicians has the invariable effect of taking even the most thoughtfully prudent rational individual and turning them into no better than that of a dumb dog that is content to chase it's own tail for amusement.

It is the same arguments, the same excuses and the same head games played over and over again. In layman's terms... They lie and we die.

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That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

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winter_

what we are seeing is a twenty first century colonisation of the middle east by americans or the new jew, the zionist. they learnt it from the british, they didn't know better.

noshit

Close but not quite. What you have is a Globalist takeover that is falling apart; due to the awakening of the people.
The nightmarish sycophants will attempt to get more violent and bold as they vanish forever.
Freedom will reign (no pun intended)

Rochard

Where have we increased land in the past fifty years? Hawaii?

Where is the US "securing resources"? We were just in Iraq, one of the major oil producers in the world, and we just... Left.

Did we steal land from them? Or did a nation rise up around them?

This might be true. We are still in Europe, and still in Japan.

However, seems we have left Iraq (have we fully left yet?) and we plan on leaving Afghanistan.

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Rochard

Seems the plan is "no boots on the ground" which means missile strikes.

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winter_

correct, it is that too. globalisation in my mind depending how those companies help society is okay, but all i read about is suffering, misery... pain, all of that they are supposed to be causing. also an out of control mass-media continuing to divide the united states. how do people like bill o'reilly and bill maher sleep at night.

pornmasta

which means cowardness

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The DOD says it would take 75,000 just to secure the chemical weapons..

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mstyanda

I guess what I don't understand is where the line is between humane and inhumane war or weaponry. Chemical warfare killing a bunch of people is some how worse than bombs or guns doing it? Dead is dead. Yes it is sad for children and women to be killed in wars but it is a fact of life and part of EVERY war that has ever happened on earth.

It baffles me why we need to intervene in a civil war. Has absolutely nothing to do with us beyond our need to sling our huge dick around showing it to a bunch of countries who already think our huge penis size is a facade of days gone by, and they are sadly correct in that thinking.

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noshit

They both know the truth. And sleep less and less as the noose gets closer to their neck.
Lies need truth to exist.

Nuremberg like trials are not far away for the traitors of our Constitution.
You can see them panicking now.

noshit

Only You would believe that.

baddog

I guess you did not watch the congressional hearings. The "plan" is no boots on the ground but Kerry refused to put it in writing because you never know what might happen. "Syria could implode" which would require we enter to secure the WMD's from being used against us or our allies. In other words, we are going in.

We don't leave, we use mercs.

Rochard

I wouldn't call it cowardness. Since 2001 the US has over run two countries and removed their governments from power, and much more. At the same time, the United States is tired of dedicating it's resources and spending it's money to deal with problems that should be handled by the US. If the a revolution breaks out in Quebec or Mexico City, then we can get involved. Otherwise, this is a Middle Eastern Problem, or even a Russian problem.

At the same time we could just toss over missiles all day long without much effort.

The US needs to stay out of this.

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Vendzilla

Or video games AKA Drone attacks

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Rochard

I did not watch the congressional hearings. I do not have that kind of free time that you have.

The "plan" is "no boots on the ground". That was the plan with Libya, and for the most part that's the way it went down.

Saying "Syria might implode" is ignoring the obvious - Syria has already imploded. We are way past that point.

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_Richard_

and so far, you have spent 1 billion in encouraging 'this'

not that common dialogue discusses that, or, even realizes.

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dillonaire

Dont worry. Dick Cheney didnt even listen to the hearings either and he was there, but those hearings can be soo boring so he played online poker instead.

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baddog

Yeah, it is pretty difficult to put it on one of the dozens of monitors you have or just have the audio in the background. And C-SPAN plays it over and over, so not much of an excuse.

Cheney?

baddog

I can't help but notice you are the top poster in this thread.

And Kerry said it, not me.

DWB

IMHO, it's all bad. No one should be using any of it. There should be a global clean up, every country, even the USA, and everyone cleans their act up and gets rid of weapons and agents that can cause long term damage to the unborn and living.

They are STILL having birth defects in Vietnam from Agent Orange after all these years, so the long term fallout from any of the stuff used these days is going to be beyond catastrophic. Of course, none of it will make western media, and it will be well hidden from western eyes, but a hell on earth is bring created right now.

Amen. So many distractions.

Bombing the depots directly is a really bad idea. I'm sure they have other ways of taking care of them. But I wouldn't support bombing the weapons themselves. The collateral damage, long term and short, would be too great. From what I've read, there are special forces on the ground there from multiple countries, including NATO, so my guess is they are looking for safer alternatives.

Meh. Depends on what definition you're looking for and what context.

American Imperialism

We have expanded by placing our military in key positions globally, as all Empires before us did. That is what Empires do. We have not "taken" land from these countries, but we do not leave. Gitmo is a prime example of this. The Cubans have never cashed a single check written from the US government for the lease of that land. They want us to go, we refuse.

Middle East, Africa, Asia...

We never leave. Not even Iraq. US troops are leaving and being replaces by mercenaries, paid for by the US tax payer, costing them somewhere around $3.5 billion a year. However, that hardly gets a blurb of news. All you hear is the US is pulling out as planned, well done, we did it! Nothing could be further from the truth. It's just a pony show to gear up for the next elections so the democrats can claim they ended the war. Ignorant Americans won't know any better and thank them for bringing their boys home.

Oh... the best part... For the first time EVER, the mercenaries are being commanded by the State Department.

See post above. Same is going to happen in Afghanistan.

Like the business of rebuilding a nation once we destroy it, there is HUGE money in private security contractors. War = huge profits for those in the war business.