Australian General Election

[winter_]

does kevin rudd have a hope in hell of retaining the prime ministers office?

i suppose if i were to bet money on it, i would have rudd as my favourite, and he is actually a favourite amongst the social media left it appears as labor is a leftist party.

check this out.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=grqp-JQMFuM

the right wing media of australia are already calling this a landslide for abbot and who is the right wing media godfather? keith rupert murdoch.

gina rhinehart apparently has a lot to do with it as well. imagine that, a mining magnate sitting on the board of directors of foxtel, what does she know about media?

[fitzmulti]

I voted for all of the above...

[winter_]

if tony abbot becomes another murdoch puppet in australia and gina rhinehart is sitting on the board of directors for fairfax media and rupert murdoch is still there like a disease, could we see absolute power corrupting absolutely in australia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Rinehart

and no gina rhinehart is the kind of woman you could see on watchingmymomgoblack.com.

[AllAboutCams]

I voted greens i can not stand any of the main cunts

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Wasn't Hitler originally from there!



ADG

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Austria is esteemed.

[CurrentlySober]

When it comes to the Australian General Election... I enjoy, and feel rewarded, by inserting varoise things up my sweaty poo hole...

[winter_]

i just woke up out of bed and abbot won the election as predicted.

i don't get it, julia gillard ruined all of rudd's chances of winning again because what happened was she ousted him from the leadership in a coup, but when she became leader and prime minister she wasn't a very good one, dumping the leadership nearer the end of her term and leaving rudd holding the bag it seems.

[winter_]

er, tony abbott with a second t and gina rinehart without a first h.

if murdoch is still being chased out of britain after the news of the world scandal, and in the united states he is actually under investigation by the federalies for playing dirty over the atlantic too, maybe in australia now they are either re-grouping or taking a final stand as the great murdoch mafia?

i have been watching the headlines and i know what james murdoch has been up to too... all no friends of mine, i don't associate with those people in any way, no friends of anyone i know either i should hope, because they are so over.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by winter_

i just woke up out of bed and abbot won the election as predicted.

i don't get it, julia gillard ruined all of rudd's chances of winning again because what happened was she ousted him from the leadership in a coup, but when she became leader and prime minister she wasn't a very good one, dumping the leadership nearer the end of her term and leaving rudd holding the bag it seems.

That is not what occurred .........

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by winter_

i don't get it, julia gillard ruined all of rudd's chances of winning again because what happened was she ousted him from the leadership in a coup, but when she became leader and prime minister she wasn't a very good one, dumping the leadership nearer the end of her term and leaving rudd holding the bag it seems.

That's a load of shit, Are you even Australian?

[rowan]

So monkey boy is now the prime minister. We're all fucked.

[Aka_Bluey]

Thank fuck labor got shown the door in a big way

[Bourke]

Today is a bad day. Abbott is going to be a fucking nightmare. Did you all remember to wind your clocks back 50 years and lube up your arseholes? Fucking Abbott. Shit.
At least Rudd and all the leadership politics is gone. Labor learned a very hard lesson, disunity is political death. Shorten, Albonese or Bowen will be the next Labor leader and the party will be behind them. I'm predicting the next election will swing back to Labor after people have a gut full of Abbott being a far right religious nutjob.

Lastly, anyone who is involved in Adult, who did not vote for the Sex Party is a fool. Who is going to be more on your side than a party which is born of the adult industry?

[winter_]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

That is not what occurred .........

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

That's a load of shit, Are you even Australian?

then lets get this straightened out, how does history play out between those two in that party?

i knew a girl named julie, she reminds me of a koala.

[Bourke]

Rudds ego was what happened. His ego and arrogance led to him being wildly unpopular in political circles and was spilling over into the general population. Most people thought of him as being pushy and arrogant. Several viral videos of him getting all sweary at staffers did not help his image at all. Many within his own party conspired against him. At the time Gillard was quite popular, as was Shorten. Shorten had been advised to wait, so he backed Gillard for the power struggle. She was convinced by Labor members to stand for leadership, she did and she won. Her govt was actually very successful but they were TERRIBLE at explaining their policies and advertising their successes. The Murdoch owned media was good at bashing them and the media as a whole made a stability issue where there was not one. It got so bad that the media's constant running stories and asking questions about the leadership actually CREATED the disunity. I think it was always Rudd's plan to try to get the top job back despite his claims otherwise. Coming in to the election it was obvious Labor was going to get thrashed because of all the leadership speculation making them appear unstable. Polling was showing a lot of support for Rudd as the media spun the change of power as Gillard knifing him in the back. Aussies don't like that sort of thing so there was quite a lot of support for him. Several of the so called "faceless men of Labor" who had supported the change to Gillard backflipped. The general feeling was that under Gillard Labor would lose so badly that it would take several elections to come back from such a massive loss whereas under Rudd the losses might be mitigated and they could potentially come back the following election (which I think is a high likelyhood. Abbott is a complete twat, the population will realise that and the alternative will be a now stable Labor party under Shorten or Albanese). So Gillard moved to put an end to the speculation, a spill was called and Rudd won.
Gillard ruined nothing, she did a fucking good job during a very hard time and was absolutely slammed for damn near everything she did. With the exception of the now famous Misogyny Speech attacking Abbott, which was roundly applauded. She did not take anything from Rudd nor was it her that ruined the Labor parties chances in this election. Disloyalty, disunity and the hyper aggressive, unbelievably biased Murdoch press was what caused the undoing of the Labor party in this election. The population confused leadership politics with policies and were mislead by the press. End of.

[Aka_Bluey]

At least now, the Australian government might stop spending money we do not have, stop borrowing money,

"Labor has no regard for the value of taxpayers' money, leaving a massive debt for our children to pay."
Source

How many billions of Australian tax payer dollars in wasted programs below.

Boats - They could not stop the boats
Mining tax
Carbon tax - "There will be no Carbon tax under a government i lead"
NBN
School Halls
Pink Batts - 4 workers died
Stimulus' cheque's
Etc....

And we can not forget these two.
Peter Slipper
Health Service Union & Craig Thomson


Kevin Rudd & Labor - The Past Six Years



Ray Hadley's Gangnam Style - Labor Party song

[Bourke]

-The "budget black hole" is a smoke screen, a total non event.
-Why would we want to stop the boats, other than the safety of the refugees?
-How exactly does the resources tax cost millions?
- The carbon tax is good policy and the reports that it has driven prices up and average incomes down have proven not to be true.
-The NBN was going to be one of the best things that ever happened to this country. Abbott's version is a fucking joke. Eastern Bloc countries have better fucking internet than this plan will provide.
-School halls project was badly managed but it provided a lot of jobs and helped drive the economy.
-The free insulation program was just about the worst managed thing I have seen in a long time, I will definitely not argue this one...
- It has been well shown that the stimulus cheques were a good idea.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by Bourke

-The "budget black hole" is a smoke screen, a total non event.
-Why would we want to stop the boats, other than the safety of the refugees?
-How exactly does the resources tax cost millions?
- The carbon tax is good policy and the reports that it has driven prices up and average incomes down have proven not to be true.
-The NBN was going to be one of the best things that ever happened to this country. Abbott's version is a fucking joke. Eastern Bloc countries have better fucking internet than this plan will provide.
-School halls project was badly managed but it provided a lot of jobs and helped drive the economy.
-The free insulation program was just about the worst managed thing I have seen in a long time, I will definitely not argue this one...
- It has been well shown that the stimulus cheques were a good idea.

Do you know when the NBN stops? i move in to a new house in about a years time and was looking forward to NBN. Do they cancel the current work?

[Bourke]

The NBN does not stop. It is altered to the Abbott/Turnbull model of fiber to the node and copper to the house. You can always pay for fiber from the node to your house. IT businesses, big business, schools, unis and hospitals are supposedly all going to get fiber direct, supposedly. But I will believe that when I fucking see it. LNP is going to be slashing funding from hospitals and schools. Why would they spend money on fiber internet to the school but remove funding for other upgrades? Any houses already with fiber to the premise will obviously stay that way, the rest of us just have to suck it up. Labor NBN would have been a massive boost for Aus economy. Libs will likely build it then sell it off to Telstra like they sell everything else they get their fucking mitts on.

This model will be something in the order of 25-100 MBps, the Labor plan was going to be closer to 1000MBps.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by winter_

i just woke up out of bed and abbot won the election as predicted.

i don't get it, julia gillard ruined all of rudd's chances of winning again because what happened was she ousted him from the leadership in a coup, but when she became leader and prime minister she wasn't a very good one, dumping the leadership nearer the end of her term and leaving rudd holding the bag it seems.

Originally Posted by winter_

then lets get this straightened out, how does history play out between those two in that party?

i knew a girl named julie, she reminds me of a koala.

Julia did not *dump* her leadership.

Straight enough for you?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Bourke

Lastly, anyone who is involved in Adult, who did not vote for the Sex Party is a fool. Who is going to be more on your side than a party which is born of the adult industry?

Sex Party gets my vote!



ADG

[Aka_Bluey]

Originally Posted by Bourke

-The "budget black hole" is a smoke screen, a total non event.

The gross Australian federal debt was A$58,284,000 as of 31 August 2007.
The gross Australian federal debt was A$244,325,881,000 as of 31 August 2012.
Source

Originally Posted by Bourke

-Why would we want to stop the boats, other than the safety of the refugees?

To get control of our borders, instead of them being flooded by 46,241 under Labor, who ever from where ever. Know who we are letting in. The billions spent on this could have been spent on our own homeless, hospitals, etc. John Howard had this problem stopped and under control. Tony Burke interview with Ray Hadley. 753 boats carrying 46 241 people have arrived in Australian waters under Labor Source

Originally Posted by Bourke

-How exactly does the resources tax cost millions?

In having to implement it, funny how the 2 largest mining companies have not made near the profit they have made in the past since it came in, or that could be due the the deals they did with Julia Gillard, go figure. Large mining projects have stopped/stalled, mining investment stopped/stalled.

Originally Posted by Bourke

- The carbon tax is good policy and the reports that it has driven prices up and average incomes down have proven not to be true.

Mate really... Why have power prices gone through the roof? Why are manufacturing job going offshore, why is Ford closing their plant in Geelong in your state? Xstrata to close smelting, refining in Mount Isa and Townsville with loss of 500 jobs
Source. Etc.

Originally Posted by Bourke

-The NBN was going to be one of the best things that ever happened to this country. Abbott's version is a fucking joke. Eastern Bloc countries have better fucking internet than this plan will provide.

Hey, i do agree with you, in it would be good for Australia. If Labor had gone at this with a business plan from the start, instead of a blank check, its been the same as school halls they way it is being implemented.

Originally Posted by Bourke

-School halls project was badly managed but it provided a lot of jobs and helped drive the economy.

Pure waste, yes someone got a big drink out of it and it was no the tradies down the bottom. I have not got time to find the link, but a select few at the top, the few large companies that were awarded the contracts, then subcontracted them out to the next company that got a big drink, and so on till the people at the bottom that did the job got puck all, and some never got paid. And as one example of how it was we were over charged by these few pucken large comapnies to do this project, "Questions have been raised about the construction aspects of the Building the Education Revolution (BER) scheme, with a pre-fabricated library at Berridale Public School costing $908,000 under the stimulus spending, while a double brick, toilet block built before the scheme cost just $330,000."

Originally Posted by Bourke

-The free insulation program was just about the worst managed thing I have seen in a long time, I will definitely not argue this one...

Yes i do agree.

Originally Posted by Bourke

- It has been well shown that the stimulus cheques were a good idea.

Again pure wasted money. They were still sending out stimulus cheques this year, even tho the global financial meltdown ended 4 years ago.

" A STAGGERING 6000 people - including overseas backpackers - have received Labor's $900 "stimulus" payment since January 1- even though the global financial meltdown ended four years ago. "
Source

[Bourke]

Anyone can cite articles mate.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-2...on-tax/4846060

Yours said a business THOUGHT that SPECULATION about the carbon tax was what caused the demise of their business... not exactly facts. The FACTS are that disposable income has increased, that prices have not sky rocketed. My household bills have remained the same, as has everyone I know. The carbon tax has been just like the GST. Everyone ran about screaming that the sky was going to fall and then it was introduced and everyone went "oh, is that it?" The only real effect was that business earning less than 70k a year, who then realised they were going to do more than that had to start collecting GST and doing a little more paperwork.

Our national debt is still low, yes it went up. EVERYONES went up. We went through the GFC remember? You know that thing that Rudd and Swan managed to largely insulate us from? By doing deals with China and the US to capitalise on the resources boom, by ensuring money was circulating (with a stimulus package and putting money into school halls, and a few other things. Some of which were poorly handled but they did have the desired effect. Money circulated.) Spending got us through it (distance helped) and now Abbott is talking about being austere. Austerity has proven to work so well elsewhere hasnt it?

John Howard had nothing stopped. There are more wars and more displaced people, hence there are more refugees. Simple as that.

Look, we could argue every point but its doubtful either of is going to change strongly held political views is it?

[Aka_Bluey]

Originally Posted by Bourke

Look, we could argue every point but its doubtful either of is going to change strongly held political views is it?

So true. And i take my hat off to you, for the the way you brought forward, your point of view. Let us hope this government can help move Australia forward.

[winter_]

this.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10782768

[winter_]

are there any calls for rudd to step down as the leader of the party? if he can stay on another three years and win the prime ministers office a second time that would be great.

i am not an australian but a new zealander and i have been reading kevin rudd was responsible for a very nanny state government when he was in power the first time, is that true?

should australians be concerned or even afraid if rupert murdoch continues to have a foothold on media in that country, and up until recently, gina rinehart buying a significant stake in fairfax media? is it for money or control? or both?

[Bourke]

Rudd already stepped down. Announced it in his speech after the election was decided. Leader will be either Albanese or Shorten.

Howard was the start of the push toward a nanny state, Rudd moved Labor to center-right as the Libs moved farther right. Hence the continued push toward being a nanny state. Abbott will be SO much worse than either of them. Dude is a fucking far right Christian nutjob.

Australians should be concerned, because the media is hijacking politics. We have seen this happen a lot in other countries but never before has it been done so blatantly here.

As a kiwi, why do you give a shit? Shouldnt you be more concerned about the lack of jobs in nz and the near constant earthquakes?

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by Bourke

Rudd already stepped down. Announced it in his speech after the election was decided. Leader will be either Albanese or Shorten.

Howard was the start of the push toward a nanny state, Rudd moved Labor to center-right as the Libs moved farther right. Hence the continued push toward being a nanny state. Abbott will be SO much worse than either of them. Dude is a fucking far right Christian nutjob.

Australians should be concerned, because the media is hijacking politics. We have seen this happen a lot in other countries but never before has it been done so blatantly here.

As a kiwi, why do you give a shit? Shouldnt you be more concerned about the lack of jobs in nz and the near constant earthquakes?

Probably check he can still get on the rock n roll instantly if he moves over here. Pretty sure the era of easy money for Kiwis is over now though isn't it? Fuckers use to come over here and leech off the system.

[rowan]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

Probably check he can still get on the rock n roll instantly if he moves over here. Pretty sure the era of easy money for Kiwis is over now though isn't it?

Yep, they can live here as a permanent resident, but don't have access to benefits that Australian citizens do. And I don't think it's possible to become a citizen, not easily anyway. Kiwis living in AU end up stuck in a kind of limbo.