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Connor · 09-24-2013, 02:02 AM

Some coverage from Webmaster Access:

Offshore Banking and EU Taxes:

http://www.ynot.com/content/119205-a...headaches.html

State of the live cams business:

http://www.ynoteurope.com/live-cams-fall-free-too/

adultmobile · 09-24-2013, 09:11 AM

Interesting. As cam site program I feel to comment.

"Kijel [] suggesting free cam sites are doing to the live-cam business what tube sites like PornHub.com did to the pay-site model. ?They?re tubing the webcam model,? he said."

Guess why we called one of our sites TubeCamgirl (we have other non-free cam sites still). But the fault is not of chaturbate, bongacams or such, it was mfc/cam4 to tube first. Others had to tube the cams too as a reaction, just like tgp's was tubed before. Let (for absurd) mfc stop to allow free shows, most others would stop free shows too.

"The panelists agreed that now is not the time for companies to consider launching their own cam networks. Capitol required to compete with established market leaders represents too high a barrier to entry."

Ok it is not easy to launch cam sites, but panelists represented the estabilished market leaders, they're not going to encourage others to setup competing cam companies, I guess.

"For example, existing law requires EU companies based in the Netherlands to collect VAT from all customers at the rate applicable in the Netherlands, regardless where in the EU customers are based."

Yah that's what we do, and damn Dutch VAT rate was raised to 21% from 19% as of October 2012. Even Cyprus VAT raised, was 13% on 2002 and is 19% now, no more worth to setup there (and remember the Manwin Germany <-> Cyprus tax drama). Just count this 21% of tax in your stats for euro sales, and that's it.

Connor · 09-24-2013, 03:10 PM

It's true, established programs don't want more competition... but more than just that, I think they also want affiliates. And so they want to make the point that if someone has an interest in making money from live cams, try working with them, etc.

Poppy · 09-24-2013, 07:20 PM

Good reads.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-24-2013, 07:30 PM

Apple needs to learn that rtmp is a good protocol.

georgeyw · 09-24-2013, 07:49 PM

It is interesting which sites are dead against the free model.... Sites that are not so easy to convert for the most part...

xNetworx · 09-24-2013, 08:00 PM

Finally, the panelists agreed that now is not the time for companies to consider launching their own cam networks...

KillerK · 09-24-2013, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

It is interesting which sites are dead against the free model.... Sites that are not so easy to convert for the most part...

Anyone can see the free model is going to ruin it.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-24-2013, 08:16 PM

@connor;

You don't work for free -- I don't work for free -- XloveCam's models, studios and affiliates don't work for free ...

Freemium is a concept to make a profit no more than that ...

If you watch the freemium webcam sites you will see it is the models that make bank that stick around.

It's hardly the time for the gnashing of teeth and the wailing of women -- adult webcam sex is alive and well just evolving ;)

At Schipol AMS leaving for Greece -- have a great time in Budapest -- all the world is a stage ...

Once you peel a banana which end had the stem?

Connor · 09-25-2013, 04:04 AM

Barry, I think a lot of the panelists agree. Most felt free is just another business model, and they indicated they all work regularly with the free sites, buy traffic from them, etc.

Personally, I'd be worried a little about free if in their shoes, but it's not quite the same problem as tubes, there is still room to make plenty of money with premium cams.

Connor · 09-25-2013, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamBoss

Finally, the panelists agreed that now is not the time for companies to consider launching their own cam networks...

adultmobile · 09-25-2013, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapid

Apple needs to learn that rtmp is a good protocol.

Even in late Android you don't have Flash, you need to install it in pirate/hack mode.
Simply if Flash not there (iphone, ipad, several Androids), you should use the Apple (Cupertino) HLS streaming with HTML5, which is supported by Android too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming
https://developer.apple.com/library/...MediaGuide.pdf

Wowza supports it from 2.x (include audio transcoding) and that's what we use. Apple won in this case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Personally, I'd be worried a little about free if in their shoes, but it's not quite the same problem as tubes.

Tubes monetize with pay cams, it make sense free cams monetize with pay cams too.
The free cams are more a way to keep more guys sticky in the site, better they hang for free in your free cam site than in someone else's, as when it is the moment they buy something, they do from the site where they are, not from where they aren't.
There will be always pay cams, because it is interactive and can be exclusively produced in private by the only specific model the user care at, he will not care to other models he is not in flirt with, even if 1000 models available and naked, he love this specific one and wants to talk her daily.
I can't say the same for pay prerecorded content, you can simply copy it, and the video can not tell the viewer "I love you, I am your gf", this is quite a difference. Of course only a small % of the porn surfers will believe a cam girl love him or finds him handsome and funny (most are less delusional than that), the cams convert a small % of people but they spend a lot, each.

adultmobile · 09-25-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CamBoss

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09-25-2013, 04:04 AM	#10
Connor Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,294	Barry, I think a lot of the panelists agree. Most felt free is just another business model, and they indicated they all work regularly with the free sites, buy traffic from them, etc. Personally, I'd be worried a little about free if in their shoes, but it's not quite the same problem as tubes, there is still room to make plenty of money with premium cams. __________________ YNOT v5 IS NOW LIVE! \| SEEN YNOT MAIL YET?