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GAH · 10-07-2013, 04:08 AM

All this federal shutdown crap, the non-negotiation, wanting to extend the $16.7 trillion borrowing limit, I'm getting fed up with the USA. America's system of democracy just isn't working. You have a House of Representatives and a Senate. If they don't agree (usual outcome), the government stops working. Eight hundred thousand sent home on gardening leave! How embarrassing is that for a country? You'd imagine the President would step in and bang their heads together, after all, he's the most powerful man on earth, isn't he? But it seems he can't. How can the USA go around the world selling democracy when at home it's as wonky as Woody Allen continuing to say he's the father of Mia Farrow's Sinatra-lookalike son.

After bankrupting the British Empire, Europe and most of the world (thank you Lehmans), America appointing itself the world's policeman, trying to rid the region of tyrants and madmen... almost all of whom are still there. America must scratch their substantial chins every day and wonder why so much of the world choose to be led by generals, lunatics or religious fanatics when instead they could have hamburgers the size of an SUV and a billion cheese flavoured products that contain no cheese at all. At least you know where you are with a dictator. He makes a decision and that is it. Your head comes off and your neighbours disappear if you disagree.

I see three credible applicants for the job as dictator to put forward: Chuck Norris, Oprah Wimfray and Ron Jeremy. I did consider others, like Lance Armstrong, Stevie Wonder, Madonna, Kim Kardashian, Katy Perry or Paris Hilton, but they have too many minuses, they just couldn't do the job properly.

Just a thought!

Captain Kawaii · 10-07-2013, 05:10 AM

You should seriously consider Donald Trump. He "knows" stuff.

slapass · 10-07-2013, 05:48 AM

Putin is a good example... oh wait.

Black All Through · 10-07-2013, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Putin is a good example... oh wait.

Vlad is a perfect example!

wehateporn · 10-07-2013, 07:05 AM

sperbonzo · 10-07-2013, 07:43 AM

http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/0...ss-is-doing-it

Government Shutdown: Congress Is Doing Its Job
Doing nothing is often more constructive than doing something.

David Harsanyi | October 6, 2013

Liberal pundits and politicians like to refer to them as "hostage takers," "anarchists," "political terrorists," "lemmings with suicide vests" and so on. Grass-roots conservatives think they're a bunch of weak-kneed RINO defeatists. They have no charismatic stars, few compelling ideas, no one leading a Gingrich-like grand ideological charge against liberal institutions. There is no cohesive strategy to speak of, no Tom DeLay whipping the troops into line, no ideological cohesion, no chance of winning very much.

And they're probably the best thing going in Washington right now.

As we maneuver through another shutdown saga, John Boehner's fate reminds me of the scene in Woody Allen's "Love and Death" in which a blundering war hero, returning from the Napoleonic Wars, is confronted by a Russian nobleman:

Nobleman: I understand your heroism was quite inadvertent.

Allen: You should have such inadvertent heroism.

There is a metaphysical truth that most small-government types would likely agree on but rarely admit: Most of the time, doing nothing is a lot more constructive than doing something. And no one's done nothing quite like the Boehner-led House. Sure, there's a lot of big talk from Republican senators, but it's the House that doesn't get stuff done.

After the passage of health care reform, the most consequential legislation in many of our lifetimes (enacted without a single vote from the minority), a new regulatory regime for the financial sector and a nearly trillion-dollar stimulus that funded an array of left-wing hobbyhorses, proper checks and balances finally kicked in. The House slowed the progressive agenda in 2010, stopping the majority's steamrolling. Unless the GOP loses the House in 2014, Barack Obama's seen his last major reform.

And when the House "anarchists" do hold out, as they did with the debt ceiling in 2010, they've compelled the majority to make genuine compromises. Now, according to the Congressional Budget Office, sequestration only trims about $44 billion in 2013 -- or 1.5 percent of the budget. Sad as it is, that makes sequestration one of the most successful spending cuts in the past two decades. Even more significantly, it illustrates to many voters that, contra the Chicken Littles, a cut isn't tantamount to national suicide.

That's not to say that this brand of "hostage taking" (nee "negotiations") hasn't taken its toll. It seems that pundits have suffered most. "Is this the kind of government our Founding Fathers envisioned?" asks a worked-up Roger Simon in his syndicated column. The answer is: Yes, it probably is. In a republic, majoritarian rule is checked, and the president doesn't get to unilaterally dictate which legislation is negotiable.

Obamacare passed. The Supreme Court told us that government's coercing Americans to purchase health care is kosher. Americans went ahead and voted for Obama a second time around. That's life. And political reality means that Republicans probably won't be able to stop Obamacare any time soon -- if ever. At some point, they'll fold.

But in the meantime, the minority is using every leverage point available to try to slow implementation. That is neither unprecedented nor unfathomable. Does the minority know what the heck it's doing? I doubt it. But at the end of the day, the country is still talking about Obamacare rather than some phony administration "job bill." That's a win.

Boehner, even if his heroism happens to be mostly inadvertent, doesn't get enough credit for having stopped scores of progressive ideas -- and often in the face of tremendous pressure. Obama, once on track to implement more wide-ranging reforms than any president since FDR, now nips at the margins through executive orders, court challenges and regulation by fiat. It's hardly ideal. But if you believe that's a positive development, thank the House.

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Tom_PM · 10-07-2013, 08:20 AM

Obama gave into them in 2011 when they did it, so now they've learned to just do it every time. He's correcting his error now by telling the whiney babies to go suck an egg.

HelmutKohl · 10-07-2013, 08:47 AM

ilnjscb · 10-07-2013, 09:36 AM

I hate to say it but.... usually republics (USA is not a democracy - look it up) do devolve into imperialism at some point. It goes 1. We need a temporary savior 2. We need another, longer term savior 3. Oh, the savior named himself "savior for life" 4. Oh, now the saviorship is inherited 5. Now we have an emperor

How long does the US have? That has too many variables to contemplate.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-07-2013, 10:03 AM

10-07-2013, 04:08 AM	#1
GAH Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 88	Democracy? USA needs a dictator, quick. All this federal shutdown crap, the non-negotiation, wanting to extend the $16.7 trillion borrowing limit, I'm getting fed up with the USA. America's system of democracy just isn't working. You have a House of Representatives and a Senate. If they don't agree (usual outcome), the government stops working. Eight hundred thousand sent home on gardening leave! How embarrassing is that for a country? You'd imagine the President would step in and bang their heads together, after all, he's the most powerful man on earth, isn't he? But it seems he can't. How can the USA go around the world selling democracy when at home it's as wonky as Woody Allen continuing to say he's the father of Mia Farrow's Sinatra-lookalike son. After bankrupting the British Empire, Europe and most of the world (thank you Lehmans), America appointing itself the world's policeman, trying to rid the region of tyrants and madmen... almost all of whom are still there. America must scratch their substantial chins every day and wonder why so much of the world choose to be led by generals, lunatics or religious fanatics when instead they could have hamburgers the size of an SUV and a billion cheese flavoured products that contain no cheese at all. At least you know where you are with a dictator. He makes a decision and that is it. Your head comes off and your neighbours disappear if you disagree. I see three credible applicants for the job as dictator to put forward: Chuck Norris, Oprah Wimfray and Ron Jeremy. I did consider others, like Lance Armstrong, Stevie Wonder, Madonna, Kim Kardashian, Katy Perry or Paris Hilton, but they have too many minuses, they just couldn't do the job properly. Just a thought!

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10-07-2013, 07:43 AM	#6
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/0...ss-is-doing-it Government Shutdown: Congress Is Doing Its Job Doing nothing is often more constructive than doing something. David Harsanyi \| October 6, 2013 Liberal pundits and politicians like to refer to them as "hostage takers," "anarchists," "political terrorists," "lemmings with suicide vests" and so on. Grass-roots conservatives think they're a bunch of weak-kneed RINO defeatists. They have no charismatic stars, few compelling ideas, no one leading a Gingrich-like grand ideological charge against liberal institutions. There is no cohesive strategy to speak of, no Tom DeLay whipping the troops into line, no ideological cohesion, no chance of winning very much. And they're probably the best thing going in Washington right now. As we maneuver through another shutdown saga, John Boehner's fate reminds me of the scene in Woody Allen's "Love and Death" in which a blundering war hero, returning from the Napoleonic Wars, is confronted by a Russian nobleman: Nobleman: I understand your heroism was quite inadvertent. Allen: You should have such inadvertent heroism. There is a metaphysical truth that most small-government types would likely agree on but rarely admit: Most of the time, doing nothing is a lot more constructive than doing something. And no one's done nothing quite like the Boehner-led House. Sure, there's a lot of big talk from Republican senators, but it's the House that doesn't get stuff done. After the passage of health care reform, the most consequential legislation in many of our lifetimes (enacted without a single vote from the minority), a new regulatory regime for the financial sector and a nearly trillion-dollar stimulus that funded an array of left-wing hobbyhorses, proper checks and balances finally kicked in. The House slowed the progressive agenda in 2010, stopping the majority's steamrolling. Unless the GOP loses the House in 2014, Barack Obama's seen his last major reform. And when the House "anarchists" do hold out, as they did with the debt ceiling in 2010, they've compelled the majority to make genuine compromises. Now, according to the Congressional Budget Office, sequestration only trims about $44 billion in 2013 -- or 1.5 percent of the budget. Sad as it is, that makes sequestration one of the most successful spending cuts in the past two decades. Even more significantly, it illustrates to many voters that, contra the Chicken Littles, a cut isn't tantamount to national suicide. That's not to say that this brand of "hostage taking" (nee "negotiations") hasn't taken its toll. It seems that pundits have suffered most. "Is this the kind of government our Founding Fathers envisioned?" asks a worked-up Roger Simon in his syndicated column. The answer is: Yes, it probably is. In a republic, majoritarian rule is checked, and the president doesn't get to unilaterally dictate which legislation is negotiable. Obamacare passed. The Supreme Court told us that government's coercing Americans to purchase health care is kosher. Americans went ahead and voted for Obama a second time around. That's life. And political reality means that Republicans probably won't be able to stop Obamacare any time soon -- if ever. At some point, they'll fold. But in the meantime, the minority is using every leverage point available to try to slow implementation. That is neither unprecedented nor unfathomable. Does the minority know what the heck it's doing? I doubt it. But at the end of the day, the country is still talking about Obamacare rather than some phony administration "job bill." That's a win. Boehner, even if his heroism happens to be mostly inadvertent, doesn't get enough credit for having stopped scores of progressive ideas -- and often in the face of tremendous pressure. Obama, once on track to implement more wide-ranging reforms than any president since FDR, now nips at the margins through executive orders, court challenges and regulation by fiat. It's hardly ideal. But if you believe that's a positive development, thank the House. . __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber Last edited by sperbonzo; 10-07-2013 at 07:45 AM..

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ilnjscb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,870	I hate to say it but.... usually republics (USA is not a democracy - look it up) do devolve into imperialism at some point. It goes 1. We need a temporary savior 2. We need another, longer term savior 3. Oh, the savior named himself "savior for life" 4. Oh, now the saviorship is inherited 5. Now we have an emperor How long does the US have? That has too many variables to contemplate.

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