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Robbie · 10-15-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

South Carolina seceded, and the first shots fired were by rebel forces at Ft Sumter, so how does that make the Civil War (as most people refer to it) a war of Northern Aggression (led by those damn Republicans).
ADG

I got married in Charleston, SC and took the ferry out to Fort Sumter many times. Very cool.

South Carolina had seceded from the "union" of states (yeah, like anybody can EVER leave...lol)

The governor asked the United States govt. to leave Ft. Sumter (which is in the harbor of Charleston).

The United States refused of course (do we ever leave anywhere in the world...hell, we're still in Germany and Japan lol).

Then the governor sent forces in to take the fort.

Kind of bad on both sides. The Confederate States Of America didn't invade the United States Of America. It was the U.S. forces that then invaded the CSA.

And if you know your history you know that what Gen. Sherman did was an atrocity. If it were done in modern times it would be a war crime and he would have been tried and executed by the world courts.

THAT is why it's called the "War Of Northern Aggression" by many Southerners.

Having said that...most of the young guys in the southern states who run around with their confederate flags ARE using them because they are racist. Plain and simple.

They don't represent any of the culture, manners, and civilized society of the Old South.

A true Southern Gentleman of the mid-1800's would find these modern day white trash rednecks disgusting and without any honor or pride in themselves.

mineistaken · 10-15-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Having said that...most of the young guys in the southern states who run around with their confederate flags ARE using them because they are racist. Plain and simple.

Thats what white guilters fucked up, genuine non racist people from the South are afraid to take ou tte flag because liberals and white guilters automatically label them as racists..

Just Alex · 10-15-2013, 04:09 PM

Oops.

dyna mo · 10-15-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

so a german could say the nazi flag is really a symbol of their heritage, and not a hate symbol?

2 vastly different situations, but nevertheless, i don't think it's of value to disavow/neglect/look away from the controversial parts of a country's history.

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Originally Posted by bronco67

That all great, and true. It's a valid symbol of a heritage specific to a large part of the country, the slavery thing notwithstanding. But that flag in front of a black president's White House means a whole other thing, and you know that. Look at the intent behind it, and you'll have the correct reaction, which should be "that guy is part of the problem."

could be. on the other hand- the 2 flags could represent to this person things that are supposed to be good, recall that the confederate flag was adopted by the south after war was declared, not before, and the war is very much about the south suceeding, now certainly a big reason for them wanting to do that was slavery but, the fact is the war was about bringing the south back in line with northern society and government.

my point is the flag is historically not tied to slavery and very much tied to the military and the values it was fighting for of breaking free from the union.

certainly the media has perverted this over time and numbskulls have as well, but i think it's important to not that there people that look to that flag for something much different, like the lynrd skynrd's of the world.

so back to dude with the 2 flags, why would a racist out to act like a racist in front of the white house also make sure to include a huge ass usmc flag too? that's not an incidental part of his schtick.

Grapesoda · 10-15-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Thats what white guilters fucked up, genuine non racist people from the South are afraid to take ou tte flag because liberals and white guilters automatically label them as racists..

personally could care less about the rebel flag one way or another, not really into symbolism to be honest about it... although I know many people use symbol's to align themselves or identify themselves.... I would say mostly people with no inner certainty of who they are.

and I have no shame in being of southern heritage, or of Irish/Celtic decent... in fact I'm of the first generation born off the farm... there is no shame in being poor, Celtic or a farmer...

noshit · 10-15-2013, 05:55 PM

This thread, Authoritarian Democrats link the confederate flag to 'racism' when in fact, it is nothing more than a proud expression of Southern Heritage.

If the Authoritarian Democrats were honest, they would talk about how it was the Democrats that started hate groups; including the Ku Klux Klan, that they so conveniently link to the Confederate Southern Heritage flag.

Grapesoda · 10-15-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by noshit

This thread, Authoritarian Democrats link the confederate flag to 'racism' when in fact, it is nothing more than a proud expression of Southern Heritage.

If the Authoritarian Democrats were honest, they would talk about how it was the Democrats that started hate groups; including the Ku Klux Klan, that they so conveniently link to the Confederate Southern Heritage flag.

only non whites are allowed to be proud of their heritage

thought Bedford Forest started the Klan? he had black troops and adopted black kids

Major (Tom) · 10-15-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Oops.

i want to kick a field goal through those teeth
ds

mineistaken · 10-15-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by noshit

This thread, Authoritarian Democrats link the confederate flag to 'racism' when in fact, it is nothing more than a proud expression of Southern Heritage.

If the Authoritarian Democrats were honest, they would talk about how it was the Democrats that started hate groups; including the Ku Klux Klan, that they so conveniently link to the Confederate Southern Heritage flag.

Well said

garce · 10-15-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

What if black people went around all the time with chains on because it's "heritage"?
Wouldn't that be dumb and maybe it would only be done to cause "white guilt"?

OH WAIT!!

That's what all those gold chains we wear are meant for.
Nevermid.

You do realize that more liberal "commie" countries like Canada and Great Britain (which at the time were one and the same) abolished slavery about 32 years before the United States did? Don't get much grief in Canada or the U.K. about slavery, though. Damn! What a difference a single generation makes! No white guilt in Canada!

But maybe there should be...

theking · 10-15-2013, 06:13 PM

The best known Confederate flag is their Battle Flag and is the one most often displayed. It is displayed by different people with different agendas...and I think the majority agenda is to express that one is a "Rebel" or rebellious...marching to a different drum beat...a different kind of bear...etc. These types do not usually have a racist or political agenda but are a "rebel without a cause"...so to speak.

LAJ · 10-15-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

That's like saying "I am a loser and proud of it".

oPeN yOuR eYeS.

Exactly. Proud to remind everyone your ancestors had their asses handed to them for being completely un patriotic fucks.

Like the current day tea partiers.

noshit · 10-15-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Proud to remind everyone your ancestors had their asses handed to them for being completely un patriotic fucks.

An 'Un-Patriotic Fuck' is an Authoritarian Democrat. Like You.

Helix · 10-15-2013, 07:45 PM

We need some Native Americans to check in with their perspective on all of these racist/political/rights bullshit arguments.

bronco67 · 10-15-2013, 08:07 PM

Boehner is supposedly bringing the Senate bill to the floor tomorrow for a vote. Is he finally going to fall on his sword and prevent default? I doubt it because the inmates are still running the asylum.

Grapesoda · 10-15-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Exactly. Proud to remind everyone your ancestors had their asses handed to them for being completely un patriotic fucks.

Like the current day tea partiers.

So your thinking is an industrial society can be subdued by an agricultural socity?

Vendzilla · 10-15-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Exactly. Proud to remind everyone your ancestors had their asses handed to them for being completely un patriotic fucks.

Like the current day tea partiers.

Sorry but this makes no sense, the Tea Party are completely patriotic. They love their country and don't want it changed. It may be different from what you want, but calling them unpatriotic because they favor different policies than you do is in itself unpatriotic.

Or am I wrong and you favor free speech?

bronco67 · 10-15-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Sorry but this makes no sense, the Tea Party are completely patriotic. They love their country and don't want it changed. It may be different from what you want, but calling them unpatriotic because they favor different policies than you do is in itself unpatriotic.

Or am I wrong and you favor free speech?

Trying to torpedo the government and people's lives is patriotic? It sounds more like terrorism.

If they want a revolution, they should take up arms and see what happens. Or play the game that's been established. So many people's lives have been affected by their fucking shenanagins. My 401k (or yours) could be losing a massive amount of money because of the ripple effects. People are not getting a paycheck for weeks because of these self-centered ignorant fucks. I hope these renegades in Congress get hounded by angry people wherever they go. Especially Ted Cruz.

Vendzilla · 10-15-2013, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Trying to torpedo the government and people's lives is patriotic? It sounds more like terrorism.

If they want a revolution, they should take up arms and see what happens. Or play the game that's been established. So many people's lives have been affected by their fucking shenanagins. My 401k (or yours) could be losing a massive amount of money because of the ripple effects.

So you're against freedom of speech then? Check!

"Could be" sounds like you have no proof

So people that protest over things you agree with are ok then?

LAJ · 10-15-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Sorry but this makes no sense, the Tea Party are completely patriotic. They love their country and don't want it changed. It may be different from what you want, but calling them unpatriotic because they favor different policies than you do is in itself unpatriotic.

Or am I wrong and you favor free speech?

Nah... they think they are being patriotic but they aren't. They don't understand what is in their own best interests, much less what's best for the country. So they continue to lash out against the big bad black "muslim". But that's fine... they'll be an irrelevant thing of the past... just like the Confederacy.

2MuchMark · 10-15-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You're an idiot and know shit about it

This was written in 2006, but it's history that the democratic party hates when people find out about it

To begin with, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists, in contrast to the pro-slavery Democratic Party. It was Abe Lincoln, a Republican President, who led the North to victory in the Civil War and freed the slaves while the Democrats did everything in their power to keep black Americans down.

Fast forward to 1898 in Wilmington, N.C., where Democrats murdered black Republicans so they could stage, ?the nation?s only recorded coup d?etat.? Then, in 1922, Democrats in the Senate filibustered a Republican attempt to make lynching a federal crime. A little later on, FDR nominated former Klansman Hugo Black to the Supreme Court. Contrast that to Republican President Dwight Eisenhower, who actually ?sent troops? to ensure that schools in Little Rock, Ark., were desegregated and ordered the ?complete desegregation of the Armed Forces.? Noticing any trends?

But, that was such a long time ago, right? Things really changed in the ?60s, didn?t they? Yes, Americans ? particularly black Americans ? really owe Democratic President Lyndon Johnson a debt of gratitude for destroying American families and causing the number of illegitimate births to skyrocket ? by pushing entitlement programs that made it much easier to have children out of wedlock.

Remember George ?segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever? Wallace standing in the door of an Alabama schoolhouse to keep black children from being able to go to school with whites? George Wallace was a Democrat. Remember Bull Connor turning water hoses and dogs on civil rights protestors? Bull Connor was a Democrat.

But, what about the revolutionary Civil Rights Act of 1964? That?s where the Democrats showed their mettle and Republicans were proven to be racists. Right? Wrong. 82% of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 versus only 64% of Democrats. Furthermore, a few years later, it was Republican Richard Nixon who first put teeth behind affirmative action.

But, what about today? You?d think that with Democrats receiving upwards of 90% of the black vote in some cases, that there would be few, if any, prominent black Republicans while black Americans would be amongst the biggest power players in the Democratic Party. However, the opposite has often turned out to be true. Once you look past the gerrymandered districts that have to remain in place because so many liberal whites simply won?t vote for black candidates (There are only five black Democrats in the House representing majority white districts), you?ll see that the Republican Party has surpassed the Democrats in many areas.

there's more if you want to read it
http://www.humanevents.com/2006/07/0...d-republicans/

Jesus Christ dude, RELAX!! I disagree with alot of what you say but I don't call you names. Just chill the fuck down, have a beer, and re-read my question:

"So, you're ok with the party you love being associated with racists?"

The Party you LOVE is the republican party. The RACISTS I'm talking about is the Confederate-flag waving person and the Tea-Party that gave speeches at the same rally without denouncing him.

That's it, that's all. For fuck sakes..!

As for democrats receiving 90% of the black vote, do you really blame black people for this? Republicans are so pissed off because they think their message is not being received that they rely on voter suppression, especially black voter suppression, and gerrymandering instead of trying to actually do something that the American people, which includes Black and Brown people not just old white people, want.

2MuchMark · 10-15-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Give me a fucking break. Why didn't you say "Isn't it to bad people like that try to associate themselves with the party you love" People that twist everything around to fit their personal agenda sicken me.

You're smarter than that. So what's your agenda ???????

Sorry L-Pink but this wasn't my point. Let me try again.

Ted Cruz & Sarah Palin believe what they believe and say what they want to say, to advance their political agenda, right?

My question is, why didn't they denounce the guy with the confederate flag?

Is it because I'm wrong and its not a racist symbol, and it is ok to wave it at the White house in 2013? Maybe, but plenty of other people on the news anyway seem to be really upset by this.

Or is it because Cruz and Palin didn't know or don't know that its a racist symbol?

Or is it because they love anything that stirs up hate for Obama?

I tend to think that the last one is correct, but hey I could be wrong....

My point is this : What McCain took the mic away from the woman who called Obama and Arab was a Good thing. McCain basically said that he won't go low, and that he would keep it a fair fight and argue opinions and ideas intelligently. If McCain could do it, why couldn't Palin or Cruz?

Peace.

Robbie · 10-15-2013, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Ted Cruz & Sarah Palin believe what they believe and say what they want to say, to advance their political agenda, right?

My question is, why didn't they denounce the guy with the confederate flag?

My guess would be that neither person even knew that guy was there.

I was driving in my car today and surfing channels on the radio and hit Sean Hannity's radio show and stopped for a minute to listen.

I'm pretty sure that he is about as "conservative" as they get.

And he was talking about the confederate flag guy and the other guy who said that Obama should "put down the koran"
Sean Hannity said that both people were stupid and "idiots".

And then he very correctly pointed out that Democrats and the media are focusing on these two idiots instead of the valid points that the tea party people were making.

Instead of reporting about the debt being almost 17 trillion dollars now...and that Congress and the Pres. want to raise the Debt Ceiling (which was a law created 40 something years ago so that we COULD NOT go any further) yet again, all the media is reporting is the ONE guy holding a confederate flag.
Nice deflection from what's going on huh?

The debt ceiling has been raised over 50 times since it was started. It's completely useless if they just raise the amount every time. Why even have it?

It was supposed to stop the govt. from spending more than it makes.

But Hannity pointed out that instead of that being the focus...the media and the Democrats are putting the public relations smackdown on the Tea Party and showing a lunatic with a confederate flag and a guy who said something that was just plain stupid.

To say that represents all those tea party people would be like saying that George Zimmerman represents all Hispanic people.
Or Jeffery Dahmer represents all White people.

It's just not so.

I don't believe that citizens who are Democrats are all just like Nancy Pelosi either.

I personally think that Palin is bat shit crazy. She is a religious NUT.

Sen. Ted Cruz on the other hand? Smart guy. And he's got balls.

And we are seeing what the Republican and Democrat parties do to anybody who dares go against "Business As Usual" in politics.
They are out to destroy him.

The pundits on CNN and MSNBC talk about him like he's "crazy", and talk about "The adults getting back in the room" when they refer to the career/lifetime scumbag politicians in both parties who are attacking him.

Really? The "adults" are the ones who have ran up 17 trillion and want to keep raising the debt ceiling so they can borrow more money.
And the guy saying "Enough" is the child?

Only in politics could that bizarre scenario exist.

dyna mo · 10-15-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Is it because I'm wrong and its not a racist symbol, and it is ok to wave it at the White house in 2013? Maybe, but plenty of other people on the news anyway seem to be really upset by this.

you are wrong.

it is ok to wave that flag in front of the white house in 2013, moresothanfuckingever.

and as i've stated several times here and elsewhere, you get too much of your opinion on matters from the other's opinions of the news.

the funny part again is the liberal bloggers globbed on to this guy and made him the poster boy and then point their fingers at palin (for some fucking reason) and cruz as if those 2 were supposed to single this guy out and denigrate him because he's waving a fucking flag.

not to mention they all avoid the usmc flag issue.

that's an insanely false argument on so many levels.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 10-15-2013, 11:47 PM

One little historical note to anyone that would say that the Civil War (or War Between the States) was not about slavery, just read some of the secession statements:

Texas:

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We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

That in this free government *all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights* [emphasis in the original]; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.

Georgia:

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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation.

For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery?..The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin.

It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose.

Mississippi:

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??..Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery? the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.

These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.

These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation.

There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin?.?

ADG

tony286 · 10-16-2013, 05:34 AM

Its interesting besides ww2 we didnt have a deficit as a country until Reagan lowered tax rates and middle class wages became flat. Since Reagan, we have had a deficit ever since. Welfare and food stamps aint causing it.

tony286 · 10-16-2013, 05:43 AM

I would safely say 75 percent of people are in the tea party is because a black guy is president. We get a white guy from either party next election they will disappear because they lose most of their membership .

tony286 · 10-16-2013, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I got married in Charleston, SC and took the ferry out to Fort Sumter many times. Very cool.

South Carolina had seceded from the "union" of states (yeah, like anybody can EVER leave...lol)

The governor asked the United States govt. to leave Ft. Sumter (which is in the harbor of Charleston).

The United States refused of course (do we ever leave anywhere in the world...hell, we're still in Germany and Japan lol).

Then the governor sent forces in to take the fort.

Kind of bad on both sides. The Confederate States Of America didn't invade the United States Of America. It was the U.S. forces that then invaded the CSA.

And if you know your history you know that what Gen. Sherman did was an atrocity. If it were done in modern times it would be a war crime and he would have been tried and executed by the world courts.

THAT is why it's called the "War Of Northern Aggression" by many Southerners.

Having said that...most of the young guys in the southern states who run around with their confederate flags ARE using them because they are racist. Plain and simple.

They don't represent any of the culture, manners, and civilized society of the Old South.

A true Southern Gentleman of the mid-1800's would find these modern day white trash rednecks disgusting and without any honor or pride in themselves.

They actually call Gen Sherman the father of modern warfare. Sherman's massive destruction helped bring the war to a close quicker.

tony286 · 10-16-2013, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Sorry but this makes no sense, the Tea Party are completely patriotic. They love their country and don't want it changed. It may be different from what you want, but calling them unpatriotic because they favor different policies than you do is in itself unpatriotic.

Or am I wrong and you favor free speech?

Patriotic? Going to a couple of rallies to say fuck obama doesnt make one a patriot and its kind of an insult to the real patriots who died for this country.

OldJeff · 10-16-2013, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Its interesting besides ww2 we didnt have a deficit as a country until Reagan lowered tax rates and middle class wages became flat. Since Reagan, we have had a deficit ever since. Welfare and food stamps aint causing it.

Uh, the first deficit was in 1919, sorry to mess up your Regan bash with relevant facts

Grapesoda · 10-16-2013, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

They actually call Gen Sherman the father of modern warfare. Sherman's massive destruction helped bring the war to a close quicker.

took everything my family had, and if you were to study any military warfare at all you find this a very old tactic, BTW just think how loud you would be crying if an American force did that today

dyna mo · 10-16-2013, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

One little historical note to anyone that would say that the Civil War (or War Between the States) was not about slavery, just read some of the secession statements:

Texas:

Georgia:

Mississippi:

those quotes entirely show that the war was about the secession, not about slavery.

from those quotes-

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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation.

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There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin?.?

the debate on this aspect of the war is long over. slavery was A big part of what led to seceeding, that attempt to suceed let to the northern aggression and the start of the civil war.

tony286 · 10-16-2013, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

took everything my family had, and if you were to study any military warfare at all you find this a very old tactic, BTW just think how loud you would be crying if an American force did that today

actually civilwar.org would disagree with you
http://www.civilwar.org/education/hi...t-sherman.html

We do that now and you dont see me cry. We kill 20 in a wedding party because they think maybe a terrorist is in the bunch. I think we shouldnt be there.

tony286 · 10-16-2013, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

those quotes entirely show that the war was about the secession, not about slavery.

from those quotes-

the debate on this aspect of the war is long over. slavery was A big part of what led to seceeding, that attempt to suceed let to the northern aggression and the start of the civil war.

It wasnt northern aggression, it was the us government coming in because secession is an unconstitutional act.

dyna mo · 10-16-2013, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

It wasnt northern aggression, it was the us government coming in because secession is an unconstitutional act.

tony, in fact, it was not an unconstitiutional act, viriginia for instance, included the right to secede in their ratification of becoming a state in the union. a couple others as well, i can't recall.

dyna mo · 10-16-2013, 07:01 AM

more on the legality

A little-known fact of the Constitution is that two of the largest states -- Virginia and New York -- made the right to withdraw from the union explicit in their acceptance of the Constitution. And in such an agreement between parties as is represented by the Constitution, a right claimed by one is allowed to all.

Grapesoda · 10-16-2013, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

actually civilwar.org would disagree with you
http://www.civilwar.org/education/hi...t-sherman.html

We do that now and you dont see me cry. We kill 20 in a wedding party because they think maybe a terrorist is in the bunch. I think we shouldnt be there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthage

The Romans pulled the Phoenician warships out into the harbour and burned them before the city, and went from house to house, capturing and enslaving the people. Fifty thousand Carthaginians were sold into slavery.[17] The city was set ablaze, and razed to the ground, leaving only ruins and rubble

I think the lack of general history is what causes 'liberalism' to be honest about it... and if your family had been burned out you would have a different view. just pointing this out as I have no emotional connection to the civil war, other than basic interest in military history.. one thing I have noticed about 'liberals' is the total lack of empathy for anyone that disagrees with their 'opinions'... first step on the road to genocide

Best-In-BC · 10-16-2013, 07:11 AM

You Americans, LOL, Million and One Ways to be One .

blackmonsters · 10-16-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

took everything my family had, and if you were to study any military warfare at all you find this a very old tactic, BTW just think how loud you would be crying if an American force did that today

Create some more slave states and test your theory of loud crying when it's burnt to the ground again.

Grapesoda · 10-16-2013, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Create some more slave states and test your theory of loud crying when it's burnt to the ground again.

you actually have no idea of the history of slavery do you? you think ignorance is funny? or are you getting a kick out of my family being killed and driven off their land?

blackmonsters · 10-16-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you actually have no idea of the history of slavery do you? you think ignorance is funny? or are you getting a kick out of my family being killed and driven off their land?

I'll restate my response since you are so sensitive about me whining about slavery everyday.

Restated : No one will cry out loud if the American government burnt down a newly created slave state in this country. We will cheer watching the slave state burn.

dyna mo · 10-16-2013, 08:20 AM

bronco67 · 10-16-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

My guess would be that neither person even knew that guy was there.

I was driving in my car today and surfing channels on the radio and hit Sean Hannity's radio show and stopped for a minute to listen.

I'm pretty sure that he is about as "conservative" as they get.

And he was talking about the confederate flag guy and the other guy who said that Obama should "put down the koran"
Sean Hannity said that both people were stupid and "idiots".

And then he very correctly pointed out that Democrats and the media are focusing on these two idiots instead of the valid points that the tea party people were making.

Instead of reporting about the debt being almost 17 trillion dollars now...and that Congress and the Pres. want to raise the Debt Ceiling (which was a law created 40 something years ago so that we COULD NOT go any further) yet again, all the media is reporting is the ONE guy holding a confederate flag.
Nice deflection from what's going on huh?

The debt ceiling has been raised over 50 times since it was started. It's completely useless if they just raise the amount every time. Why even have it?

It was supposed to stop the govt. from spending more than it makes.

But Hannity pointed out that instead of that being the focus...the media and the Democrats are putting the public relations smackdown on the Tea Party and showing a lunatic with a confederate flag and a guy who said something that was just plain stupid.

To say that represents all those tea party people would be like saying that George Zimmerman represents all Hispanic people.
Or Jeffery Dahmer represents all White people.

It's just not so.

I don't believe that citizens who are Democrats are all just like Nancy Pelosi either.

I personally think that Palin is bat shit crazy. She is a religious NUT.

Sen. Ted Cruz on the other hand? Smart guy. And he's got balls.

And we are seeing what the Republican and Democrat parties do to anybody who dares go against "Business As Usual" in politics.
They are out to destroy him.

The pundits on CNN and MSNBC talk about him like he's "crazy", and talk about "The adults getting back in the room" when they refer to the career/lifetime scumbag politicians in both parties who are attacking him.

Really? The "adults" are the ones who have ran up 17 trillion and want to keep raising the debt ceiling so they can borrow more money.
And the guy saying "Enough" is the child?

Only in politics could that bizarre scenario exist.

The Tea Party does have some valid points about the debt, deficit, etc. But the way they go about it...whoo boy. They come off like a bunch of ignorant assholes. They're a repellent bunch of morons to most people with half a brain. Like I said before --go on any Tea Party forum and read some of the posts. They're rabid, negative, paranoid, vitriolic. Basically things most people want no part of.

bronco67 · 10-16-2013, 08:22 AM

Are there people here trying to make the case for the civil war not being about slavery? Now you need to go see a head doctor.

Grapesoda · 10-16-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I'll restate my response since you are so sensitive about me whining about slavery everyday.

Restated : No one will cry out loud if the American government burnt down a newly created slave state in this country. We will cheer watching the slave state burn.

never happen. so just keep on cryin'

dyna mo · 10-16-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Are there people here trying to make the case for the civil war not being about slavery? Now you need to go see a head doctor.

i'm not making the case at all, i'm the messenger. tons of scholarly articles on the matter.

slavery led to the secession, the secession lead to war.

if that doesn't make sense to you, that's cool.

_Richard_ · 10-16-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

those quotes entirely show that the war was about the secession, not about slavery.

from those quotes-

the debate on this aspect of the war is long over. slavery was A big part of what led to seceeding, that attempt to suceed let to the northern aggression and the start of the civil war.

dyna mo · 10-16-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i have no idea what this pic is supposed to mean. could you explain it? i was replying to adg in discussion. he made a respectful comment re: the conclusions that scholars have made that i reported here, i respectfully replied.

dyna mo · 10-16-2013, 08:48 AM

As a panel of historians emphasized in 2011, "while slavery and its various and multifaceted discontents were the primary cause of disunion, it was disunion itself that sparked the war."

http://www.hnn.us/article/137673

Vendzilla · 10-16-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Patriotic? Going to a couple of rallies to say fuck obama doesnt make one a patriot and its kind of an insult to the real patriots who died for this country.

It's patriotic to let your elected officials know you don't like what they are doing!

It's called free speech, ANYONE that is against that it UNpatriotic.

You should maybe spend some time reading what the founding fathers think about free speech? Do you really think they would have not let people protest the government?
Barry all but took away the right to protest on federal land.

It's a flag people, it's called a rebel flag. To most people that wave it, it's a symbol of being rebellious.

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