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Vendzilla · 10-23-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Do you think Obama built this site in the oval office? He is in the end responsible but it is hardly his personal issue that it does not wrk at this point.

It's his job to do exactly that, it's his law, it's his presidency. He is suppose to give a rats ass about it!!
He has the responsibility to do more than sign a bill into law and walk away from it.

Did you know that all the prisons are ready to sign up all the inmates to Obamacare and in LA, I hear commercials every morning pushing for Illegal Aliens getting on it too, Just needs a judge to say it's unconstitutional and there you go, bloated government and economic meltdown

Rochard · 10-23-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It's his job to do exactly that, it's his law, it's his presidency. He is suppose to give a rats ass about it!!
He has the responsibility to do more than sign a bill into law and walk away from it.

Yes, it's his job to go over every line of HTML and PHP code and god only knows what else is being used. And he has to supervise the installation of all servers too, and hook them on himself.

Congress will just take another vacation, then try to drag the entire bill back into court again.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Did you know that all the prisons are ready to sign up all the inmates to Obamacare and in LA, I hear commercials every morning pushing for Illegal Aliens getting on it too, Just needs a judge to say it's unconstitutional and there you go, bloated government and economic meltdown

Sure, commercials are pushing for illegal aliens to get into it too. (In fact, that wouldn't be a bad idea - more people paying into the system instead of milking it.)

dyna mo · 10-23-2013, 04:34 PM

again, it would be a simple question-

update me on the status of my legacy/website.

it's his legacy, it's his show, it's his program he clinged to while the economy was taking a shit.

as is being proven, when your shit does not work, you get the blame. the reason for that is because it's your responsibility.

a president knows this

Minte · 10-23-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Yes, it's his job to go over every line of HTML and PHP code and god only knows what else is being used. And he has to supervise the installation of all servers too, and hook them on himself.

Congress will just take another vacation, then try to drag the entire bill back into court again.

Sure, commercials are pushing for illegal aliens to get into it too. (In fact, that wouldn't be a bad idea - more people paying into the system instead of milking it.)

You wouldn't have asked to see it..maybe kick the tires..take it for a test drive.
Have a meeting or two with the people actually tasked to get it done?
That's what the president does. Just in my little company I have to be sure that when we commit to a deadline it happens. I at least ask questions throughout the process.
I get status reports, if there are going to be issues I know about them before hand. I don't come up with lame excuses after the fact. If Obama was in the private sector and ran his business like this he wouldn't last 1 year.

It's basic management 101.

dyna mo · 10-23-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

You wouldn't have asked to see it..maybe kick the tires..take it for a test drive.
Have a meeting or two with the people actually tasked to get it done?
That's what the president does. Just in my little company I have to be sure that when we commit to a deadline it happens. I at least ask questions throughout the process.
I get status reports, if there are going to be issues I know about them before hand. I don't come up with lame excuses after the fact. If Obama was in the private sector and ran his business like this he wouldn't last 1 year.

It's basic management 101.

you mean you would not leave the success of your entire operation up to the database guy?

Rochard · 10-23-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

You wouldn't have asked to see it..maybe kick the tires..take it for a test drive.
Have a meeting or two with the people actually tasked to get it done?
That's what the president does. Just in my little company I have to be sure that when we commit to a deadline it happens. I at least ask questions throughout the process.
I get status reports, if there are going to be issues I know about them before hand. I don't come up with lame excuses after the fact. If Obama was in the private sector and ran his business like this he wouldn't last 1 year.

It's basic management 101.

You would so wouldn't you?

But think about it just for a moment. I am sure that Obama had multiple meetings on this. But the website is just one small aspect of what the bill is. Do you think the website was really discussed for more than five minutes? At best he got a brief overview of how they planned to make it work. I'm pretty sure they Obama didn't review the types of servers used, or even which data center was going to be used.

Even if Obama got the full walk through, did he have enough experience to know how to make this work?

This is just like the IRS and the ATF crap mentioned in this thread. Does the IRS really brief the president on what groups has a high percentage of fraud? And how it investigates them? Does the ATF brief the President on operations before they start? Update them while they are ongoing? I mean, the entire Fast & Furious thing seems to have Vendzilla pretty upset even though it started and ran under Bush for two years.

Does the transportation department brief the president on road projects and the impacts they have all communities? Does the health department brief the president on changes on laws with selling meat?

Better yet... Why isn't the Congressional Science Committee get involved? I mean, other than the fact that Congress is controlled by the GOP and has no interest in seeing this working?

Do you see my point? The President doesn't have full knowledge of every aspect of every issue that every US government department is working on. He might know the basics, but again, do you really want Obama deciding what software to use? What servers to use?

Rochard · 10-23-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

You wouldn't have asked to see it..maybe kick the tires..take it for a test drive.
Have a meeting or two with the people actually tasked to get it done?
That's what the president does. Just in my little company I have to be sure that when we commit to a deadline it happens. I at least ask questions throughout the process.
I get status reports, if there are going to be issues I know about them before hand. I don't come up with lame excuses after the fact. If Obama was in the private sector and ran his business like this he wouldn't last 1 year.

It's basic management 101.

Let me rephrase my answer...

When they put the fountain in at your business, did you have a discussion about about what kind of pipes they used? Or what kind of sealant they used? No, you hired someone to do the job, asked a handful of questions, and then let them do their job.

Minte · 10-23-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You would so wouldn't you?

But think about it just for a moment. I am sure that Obama had multiple meetings on this. But the website is just one small aspect of what the bill is. Do you think the website was really discussed for more than five minutes? At best he got a brief overview of how they planned to make it work. I'm pretty sure they Obama didn't review the types of servers used, or even which data center was going to be used.

Even if Obama got the full walk through, did he have enough experience to know how to make this work?

This is just like the IRS and the ATF crap mentioned in this thread. Does the IRS really brief the president on what groups has a high percentage of fraud? And how it investigates them? Does the ATF brief the President on operations before they start? Update them while they are ongoing? I mean, the entire Fast & Furious thing seems to have Vendzilla pretty upset even though it started and ran under Bush for two years.

Does the transportation department brief the president on road projects and the impacts they have all communities? Does the health department brief the president on changes on laws with selling meat?

Better yet... Why isn't the Congressional Science Committee get involved? I mean, other than the fact that Congress is controlled by the GOP and has no interest in seeing this working?

Do you see my point? The President doesn't have full knowledge of every aspect of every issue that every US government department is working on. He might know the basics, but again, do you really want Obama deciding what software to use? What servers to use?

There is nothing you will say that will justify such shoddy management. This is his signature program. He has the total resource of the United States at his fingertips..
And the launch is a joke and no one is laughing.

Minte · 10-23-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Let me rephrase my answer...

When they put the fountain in at your business, did you have a discussion about about what kind of pipes they used? Or what kind of sealant they used? No, you hired someone to do the job, asked a handful of questions, and then let them do their job.

I was out there everyday and not for a 5 second walk through. My fountain project is my signature on the building. I took pictures of every part of the project. I know what the pipes were made of, what the diameter is, what the GPM flow was, how high the water would rise.

When the pumps and the lights were turned on for the community 4th of July fire works that we hosted there it all worked. Like it was supposed to. It's how I manage a project that is important to me

edit: and while that project was going on, I still managed to run the business like I am being paid to do.

beemk · 10-23-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Let me rephrase my answer...

When they put the fountain in at your business, did you have a discussion about about what kind of pipes they used? Or what kind of sealant they used? No, you hired someone to do the job, asked a handful of questions, and then let them do their job.

Haters gon' hate.

We get it Rochard, you're poor and jealous of Minte.

Barry-xlovecam · 10-23-2013, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

[T]he entire point is... Everyone should be covered. The problem we have now is that too many people are not covered, and when they go to the hospital it's the people that have insurance that are covering those costs. It's making healthcare costs rise to the point where most people can't afford them. If someone gets shot and needs $200k of hospital bills and doesn't have insurance, guess who picks up the tab?

And what's the entire point is here. ...

NOOO! don't say that. Don't give away the fall back plan -- people are secure knowing that federally funded hospitals (Medicare payment recipients) are mandated to render emergency trauma care to all that walk in the door.

Guess who pays for the low rate of payment for these uninsured patients this federal subsidy pays? The insured pay for the low payment subsidized services of the uninsured. Lets not say anything about lower wage workers that receive no health benefits or opt out of employer plans that are too expensive for them to afford on their wages ...

jimmy-3-way · 10-23-2013, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

There is nothing you will say that will justify such shoddy management. This is his signature program. He has the total resource of the United States at his fingertips...And the launch is a joke and no one is laughing.

You know...I hate Republicans and I love President Black Jesus, but you are 100% right.

noshit · 10-23-2013, 09:24 PM

Congratulations!
You just voluntarily forfeited all of you and your families' individual privacy to the Federal Data Services Hub and signed away your families future rights to privacy!
BTW, did you read the terms that your willing slave info is now accessible to bureaucrats in Govt agencies ranging from the Internal Revenue Service to the Department of Homeland Security?

No longer will any of your intimate medical details be considered either private or protected

Don't worry tho, they really, truly and FOR REAL, CARE about you and as long as you promote Tyrannical Government they will take good care of you

A side note: Useful Idiots go last, but they always go.

That being said, I hope it wasn't a hack site you filled out!
But then, that wouldn't so bad, better to have your intimate info hacked than to voluntarily give it to a government that can disappear you

Vendzilla · 10-23-2013, 09:28 PM

A true leader after selling this piece of crap to the American people should have asked, is it ready yet?
Apparently, that simple question was not asked, it's beneath Barry to give a shit
Now the democrats are putting together a bill to postpone the user sign up for a year, something the GOP wanted during the shut down, but Barry said no to.

Minte · 10-24-2013, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

A true leader after selling this piece of crap to the American people should have asked, is it ready yet?
Apparently, that simple question was not asked, it's beneath Barry to give a shit
Now the democrats are putting together a bill to postpone the user sign up for a year, something the GOP wanted during the shut down, but Barry said no to.

I hope they do delay the mandatory signup requirement. It's clear that healthcare is a trainwreck that needs an overhaul. It would also go a long way in mending some fences in government that need mending.

The way this rolled out almost makes me wonder if it might have been planned as a way to let Obama delay it a while so he can save face with the public and maybe make some peace with republicans.

Sly · 10-24-2013, 06:58 AM

It's interesting to me that Bush is still responsible for everything bad that happens, six years after he leaves office, yet the current sitting president is so inept that he can't ensure his legacy policy gets carried out and implemented properly because he is "far too busy." Either Bush was some sort of wonder man or Obama really just sucks.

Can't have it both ways.

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I was out there everyday and not for a 5 second walk through. My fountain project is my signature on the building. I took pictures of every part of the project. I know what the pipes were made of, what the diameter is, what the GPM flow was, how high the water would rise.

When the pumps and the lights were turned on for the community 4th of July fire works that we hosted there it all worked. Like it was supposed to. It's how I manage a project that is important to me

edit: and while that project was going on, I still managed to run the business like I am being paid to do.

So you were able to micro manage one project that was directly in front you... Imagine that fountain was being built in another state.

Now multiple that times one hundred and sixty three departments, each of which has hundreds of projects or law enforcement issues, factor in that fifty percent of your work force hates you and swears they will spend the next twenty years trying to get that fountain removed from the property, not to mention they will fight you on every other project just because they can.

Now.... That's only one fourth of your job because you have to worry about the economy, the budget, the military, political issues (such as spending an entire day being nice to the President of Pakistan), then toss in any time there is a school shooting or other news worthy....

THEN factor in you have to update everyone in the US about every step, and that your haters will try to derail anything you ever do every chance they get.

Why in the world ANYONE would want to be president is beyond me.

Sly · 10-24-2013, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So you were able to micro manage one project that was directly in front you... Imagine that fountain was being built in another state.

Now multiple that times one hundred and sixty three departments, each of which has hundreds of projects or law enforcement issues, factor in that fifty percent of your work force hates you and swears they will spend the next twenty years trying to get that fountain removed from the property, not to mention they will fight you on every other project just because they can.

Now.... That's only one fourth of your job because you have to worry about the economy, the budget, the military, political issues (such as spending an entire day being nice to the President of Pakistan), then toss in any time there is a school shooting or other news worthy....

THEN factor in you have to update everyone in the US about every step, and that your haters will try to derail anything you ever do every chance they get.

Why in the world ANYONE would want to be president is beyond me.

How is it that you have excuse after excuse for Obama but jump on Bush whenever you can, and still claim to be bipartisan?

Say one bad thing about Obama. Try it. Let's hear it. Something real.

I'll start by giving something bad about Bush. The Iraq "war" was executed extremely poorly. I'm also going to note that this war was on the other side of the world and managed by a large group of other people. But according to your excuses for Obama, Bush should not be blamed at all. How could he possibly be expected to know what's going on or manage a war?!

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

Haters gon' hate.

We get it Rochard, you're poor and jealous of Minte.

I am not jealous of Minte in any way shape or form. I love it when other people succeed.

I live pretty well, I surely have no complaints.

Minte · 10-24-2013, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So you were able to micro manage one project that was directly in front you... Imagine that fountain was being built in another state.

Now multiple that times one hundred and sixty three departments, each of which has hundreds of projects or law enforcement issues, factor in that fifty percent of your work force hates you and swears they will spend the next twenty years trying to get that fountain removed from the property, not to mention they will fight you on every other project just because they can.

Now.... That's only one fourth of your job because you have to worry about the economy, the budget, the military, political issues (such as spending an entire day being nice to the President of Pakistan), then toss in any time there is a school shooting or other news worthy....

THEN factor in you have to update everyone in the US about every step, and that your haters will try to derail anything you ever do every chance they get.

Why in the world ANYONE would want to be president is beyond me.

Give me a 747 to travel back and forth, $600m, the entire weight of the US government and I would've gotten it done and it would've worked.

It's his signature achievement.. his name is on it.

If you accept excuses for failure then that's your issue. I don't accept excuses for failure that could have easily been avoided with some basic management skills.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 07:29 AM

why wouldn't the president take pride in his project? moreover, the website is the public face of the project, not just the interface to the functionality.

this could have been a shiny beacon of technology.

Phoenix · 10-24-2013, 07:40 AM

there are 20 people who post on gfy that could have built that site for way less money and in way less time.

they fucked up..bigtime

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

How is it that you have excuse after excuse for Obama but jump on Bush whenever you can, and still claim to be bipartisan?

Say one bad thing about Obama. Try it. Let's hear it. Something real.

I'll start by giving something bad about Bush. The Iraq "war" was executed extremely poorly. I'm also going to note that this war was on the other side of the world and managed by a large group of other people. But according to your excuses for Obama, Bush should not be blamed at all. How could he possibly be expected to know what's going on or manage a war?!

I am no longer bipartisan in any shape or form. It's not that I think the Democrats are right, but more of I think the Republicans are wrong - and I am stunned by their actions. This healthcare bill is the perfect example - we need some kind of healthcare overhaul, this is what was passed by Congress, and instead of supporting it they have spent the past three years trying EVERYTHING to kill it. This is a massive waste of time and resources; They just stopped the US Government for two weeks (and still FAILED to stop Obamacare). The Republican party needs to let this go into place, and then fix what's wrong.

I disagree with your assessment of the Iraq war. The Iraq war wasn't "executed extremely poorly", but instead was a massive success. It was a success on such a large scale that we had to STOP so supplies could catch up to the fighting. The US sent some 300k soldiers up against 400k Iraqis on their own turf - and beat them badly and quickly.

While I give Bush a lot of credit for this - for having the balls to do it in the first place - President Bush didn't have anything to do with designing the targeting software (Joint Time Sensitive Targeting Manager) that was a large part of that success. President Bush didn't have any input on the hardware or software or the servers used. That's not his job; That's the job of the people who designed the software and hardware.

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Give me a 747 to travel back and forth, $600m, the entire weight of the US government and I would've gotten it done and it would've worked.

It's his signature achievement.. his name is on it.

If you accept excuses for failure then that's your issue. I don't accept excuses for failure that could have easily been avoided with some basic management skills.

Well, maybe if the President didn't have to spend the past three years defending the bill all the way up the Supreme Court, he could have spent more time writing the HTML code.

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Well, maybe if the President didn't have to spend the past three years defending the bill all the way up the Supreme Court, he could have spent more time writing the HTML code.

kinda like how he was defending it while neglecting the economic crisis of 1998+ ?

like that?

Minte · 10-24-2013, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Well, maybe if the President didn't have to spend the past three years defending the bill all the way up the Supreme Court, he could have spent more time writing the HTML code.

Or maybe if the president hadn't logged more airtime in airforce than any other president in history he would've found time to have daily meetings with real updates to the process.
Or maybe he could've found time to interview qualified people to actually do the job.

However, I can only smile when I listen to all the dumb excuses you have to give this guy a pass on his namesake legislation. Quite the legacy he will have..

I signed off on killing Bin Laden! My healthcare reform didn't quite go as I promised it would,,but what the hell..I am a nice guy..quite the legacy.

We as American taxpayers can be proud.

MrMaxwell · 10-24-2013, 09:04 AM

I don't think osama care makes any sense.. I think government should not be allowed to cause healthcare to cost 1000% of what it should, and then, care should be denied to fools who don't have coverage, at that point (when it would be affordable, as it should be).

All we have here is

1. Government inflates the good holy christ out of health care costs

2. As a result of #1 no one who is poor or normal (the masses) can afford health insurance

3. The government now wants to force everyone they can to buy health insurance to help feed the beast they have created

4. Fuck everyone because we're all too stupid to be alive if we've allowed our government to get away with 1/100th of what they currently get away with doing every day

5. They should all be on trial

MrMaxwell · 10-24-2013, 09:08 AM

Not to mention at all what it does to our economy when you keep fucking with business men. Make shit more expensive for them and dissuade them from doing business. That'll sure help. YaY Amerikka.

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

kinda like how he was defending it while neglecting the economic crisis of 1998+ ?

like that?

You mean all of Congress from 1998-2008. And President Bush. Right?

Barry-xlovecam · 10-24-2013, 09:13 AM

When the initial ACA (Obamacare law) was enacted I was enthused about the immediate requirement and the tax credit given to hospitals, clinics and doctor's offices to eliminate paper healthcare records and go to digital record keeping with the interactivity with other healthcare providers.

So enthused in fact that I assembled a possible team of developers, one of which was a former employee of IBM who did AIX and DB2 development. But when it came down to investigate who could apply for the multi-millions in federal grants for these projects you had to be affiliated with a university to even be considered.

This goes to the letting of these bids for the healthcare.gov website ... The prequalifications may have possibly excluded the most able bidders with the talent and real work qualifications to do the job. Obviously the "consultants" hired were full of shit -- their shit didn't work ...

dyna mo · 10-24-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You mean all of Congress from 1998-2008. And President Bush. Right?

sure. i don't pick sides. we are talking about obamacare though and while the nation was on economic fire he was steadfastly stumping his healthcare plan.

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Or maybe if the president hadn't logged more airtime in airforce than any other president in history he would've found time to have daily meetings with real updates to the process.

Stop crying like a little baby.

Obama has logged more time airtime in Air Force One than any other president in history? You see this as being bad, and I see this as being good. He's doing his job.

Obama has spent less time on vacation than Bush.

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Originally Posted by Minte

Or maybe he could've found time to interview qualified people to actually do the job.

Sure sure. Maybe the President should have interviewed everyone who on the website. What would that be, one hundred people? One thousand people?

Maybe President Bush should have spent more time interviewing the people in charge of the US Economy instead of watching is crash down to the ground.

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Originally Posted by Minte

However, I can only smile when I listen to all the dumb excuses you have to give this guy a pass on his namesake legislation. Quite the legacy he will have..

Yet all Republicans are doing is bitching and crying like little babies. Maybe instead of spending four years trying to kill the healthcare law they should have invested some effort into fixing it. Yet still today they hold press conferences highlighting the issues, instead of offering solutions.

The Republican part isn't the solution, it's part of the problem. They don't want to fix it, they just want to add to the problem.

Why hasn't Congress called for a review by the Congressional Science Committee? Why aren't they stepping in and taking charge of this?

I can care less about Obama's legacy. Not fucking caring one bit. However, I really believe that ten years from now we'll look back at this and we'll have Obamcare or some version of it, and we'll feel stupid we even argued about it. We need healthcare reform one way or another. The Republicans failed to do it.

I have yet to see one negative aspect of Obamacare, while everyone I know will benefit from it. I have yet to see a downside.

madm1k3 · 10-24-2013, 09:57 AM

If the Republicans weren't so fucking stupid they could have crushed Obama with this website... but man are they fucking stupid.

If they had not caused a pointless government shutdown the major news story this month would be all about this terrible website. But instead the pointless shutdown was the major story and the website glitches went unreported. If they had even waited two weeks and battled over the debt ceiling instead, they could have said "Look how bad the site is, look at all the problems, lets postpone this law at least a year" then could of campaigned for 2014 on the broken website.

Now they look bitter, their poll numbers are down across the board, and their attempts to undermine Obama care have no momentum outside of the party faithful.

Keep bitching about Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS non scandals, and miss the prime oppurtunity to knock out Obama.......

"We Will Never Have The Elite, Smart People On Our Side" Rick Santorum

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by madm1k3

If the Republicans weren't so fucking stupid they could have crushed Obama with this website... but man are they fucking stupid.

If they had not caused a pointless government shutdown the major news story this month would be all about this terrible website. But instead the pointless shutdown was the major story and the website glitches went unreported. If they had even waited two weeks and battled over the debt ceiling instead, they could have said "Look how bad the site is, look at all the problems, lets postpone this law at least a year" then could of campaigned for 2014 on the broken website.

Now they look bitter, their poll numbers are down across the board, and their attempts to undermine Obama care have no momentum outside of the party faithful.

Keep bitching about Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS non scandals, and miss the prime oppurtunity to knock out Obama.......

"We Will Never Have The Elite, Smart People On Our Side" Rick Santorum

Exactly.

I am not all about Obamacare although I have yet to see a downside. I am not all about being a Democrat, but the mistakes made by the Republican party are HUGE and keep multiplying.

Obama was a little known Congressmen with a less than impressive track record. He got elected because of the economy. No matter where the truth is for blame with the economy then, the vast majority of people place blame on Bush - fairly or unfairly, he's going to be taking the blame. If the Republicans came up with a very strong candidate, they might have had a chance. McCain was "okay", a war hero and all that, but had a long term lack luster history in Congress. Palin just killed the deal. Romney was interesting, but by then the economy was turning around slowly and people were starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel and the majority of people wanted to "stay the course" - which is to be expected when things are looking slightly better.

Everyone agrees we need some kind of healthcare reform. We can debate about how to do it for the next four or eight years - or we can try to do something. The Republicans did everything to fight this - and have lost at every turn. Even if they win this battle four years from now, the end result will be eight years of the Republican party looking bad, eight years of failure, and no healthcare program - eight years and billions of dollars wasted. That wouldn't be a win at all; It would be a huge disaster at the expense of Americans. In simple terms, if you can't beat them, join them. The Republicans need to make this their own project and improve it. Instead of highlighting the problems with the website, they tried to blackmail the President while holding the American public hostage - You can't do this. It's childish, petty, and it made the Republican party look horrible.

The Republican party needs to spend less time trying to beat Obamacare, and more time doing the jobs they were elected to do.

Democrats too. The approval rate of Congress is at an all time low. I think ALL OF THEM from BOTH PARTIES should be REPLACED.

MrMaxwell · 10-24-2013, 12:32 PM

I think you're all idiots for debating this, at all.. as if either party is worth a fuck or as if we have any real choice or freedom any more. Go get some work done, go touch another human being, stop wasting time on this shit

onwebcam · 10-24-2013, 12:40 PM

Fact is more people will be kicked off of their current insurance by the end of the year than healthcare.gov will sign up in a year of actually working.

tony286 · 10-24-2013, 12:44 PM

its funny in states with democratic govs it works. KY is signing up 1000 people a day. Hmmmmm.

onwebcam · 10-24-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

its funny in states with democratic govs it works. KY is signing up 1000 people a day. Hmmmmm.

Kentucky's site isn't healthcare.gov

Minte · 10-24-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Stop crying like a little baby.

Obama has logged more time airtime in Air Force One than any other president in history? You see this as being bad, and I see this as being good. He's doing his job.

Obama has spent less time on vacation than Bush.

Sure sure. Maybe the President should have interviewed everyone who on the website. What would that be, one hundred people? One thousand people?

Maybe President Bush should have spent more time interviewing the people in charge of the US Economy instead of watching is crash down to the ground.

You continue to be the crybaby

Yet all Republicans are doing is bitching and crying like little babies. Maybe instead of spending four years trying to kill the healthcare law they should have invested some effort into fixing it. Yet still today they hold press conferences highlighting the issues, instead of offering solutions.

The Republican part isn't the solution, it's part of the problem. They don't want to fix it, they just want to add to the problem.

Why hasn't Congress called for a review by the Congressional Science Committee? Why aren't they stepping in and taking charge of this?

I can care less about Obama's legacy. Not fucking caring one bit. However, I really believe that ten years from now we'll look back at this and we'll have Obamcare or some version of it, and we'll feel stupid we even argued about it. We need healthcare reform one way or another. The Republicans failed to do it.

I have yet to see one negative aspect of Obamacare, while everyone I know will benefit from it. I have yet to see a downside.

Originally Posted by Rochard
Well, maybe if the President didn't have to spend the past three years defending the bill all the way up the Supreme Court, he could have spent more time writing the HTML code.

You are the cry baby in this thread..
But the interesting statement is that everyone you know will benefit from federal assistance.
No one I know needs or wants federal assistance.

MrMaxwell · 10-24-2013, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minte

Originally Posted by Rochard
Well, maybe if the President didn't have to spend the past three years defending the bill all the way up the Supreme Court, he could have spent more time writing the HTML code.

You are the cry baby in this thread..
But the interesting statement is that everyone you know will benefit from federal assistance.
No one I know needs or wants federal assistance.

I think I see things 90% your way. The only thing I don't see eye to eye with you on is looking out for the poor bastards who work full time and can't access health care. It's because of the government making it so ridiculously expensive. I am completely against the government intervening in order to fix what it is causing, or having them in control of anything.. I am no socialist... but what would you propose that we do for that type of person?

I have only had a normal person's job one time, for three months. But what I learned from that was that most hack employees at larger companies are purposely kept just a cunthair shy of 40hr weeks... they did that to me so I could not have any benefits. I would literally work 39.5hrs every week. You either swallow it, or no play for you.

So what is the solution? The masses allowed it to get to this point and they should just "take their medicine" and deal with what they have allowed to happen? Or, we should do something about people working full time and not having healthcare? Or ...

It's not an easy problem to deal with.. at all

And here I am debating it like everyone else now so I am just as stupid as the rest of you

Rochard · 10-24-2013, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minte

Originally Posted by Rochard
Well, maybe if the President didn't have to spend the past three years defending the bill all the way up the Supreme Court, he could have spent more time writing the HTML code.

You are the cry baby in this thread..
But the interesting statement is that everyone you know will benefit from federal assistance.
No one I know needs or wants federal assistance.

I'm not crying at all. The Republican party has been crying since the day Obama has been elected. And it's just really sad. At this point their only intention is to beat Obamacare, screw the rest. Their job is being a Congressman, not spending four years trying to beat a single bill.

Everyone I know benefits from this bill. Your friends are obviously different than your mine. I am guessing most of your friends are local business owners like yourself. I am guessing you don't have any friends who are single moms working as a cashier with no medical benefits.

Take a look at what they do in Hawaii and Massachusetts. They both have over 90% healthcare coverage.

Guess what they call it in Massaschusetts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massach...th_care_reform

Minte · 10-24-2013, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

I think I see things 90% your way. The only thing I don't see eye to eye with you on is looking out for the poor bastards who work full time and can't access health care. It's because of the government making it so ridiculously expensive. I am completely against the government intervening in order to fix what it is causing, or having them in control of anything.. I am no socialist... but what would you propose that we do for that type of person?

I have only had a normal person's job one time, for three months. But what I learned from that was that most hack employees at larger companies are purposely kept just a cunthair shy of 40hr weeks... they did that to me so I could not have any benefits. I would literally work 39.5hrs every week. You either swallow it, or no play for you.

So what is the solution? The masses allowed it to get to this point and they should just "take their medicine" and deal with what they have allowed to happen? Or, we should do something about people working full time and not having healthcare? Or ...

It's not an easy problem to deal with.. at all

And here I am debating it like everyone else now so I am just as stupid as the rest of you

I'm not against healthcare reform. It needed it 10 years ago.

I am strongly against the mandate, I don't like the fact that the government thinks they can oversee it when they prove time and time again they are basically incompetent.

The root causes of the high costs were ignored. No tort reform, not opening up interstate competition. This version of healthcare reform is nothing but another moneygrab. I read yesterday that one of the large carriers is florida realized it would not work for them and dumped 300,000 people that did have health insurance.

Lastly, I really didn't like they way the democrats installed it. All the backroom deals and arm twisting just to get their side to pass it. All that while the unemployment rate was at 9%+. It set the exact wrong tone for this administration. I said it 4 years ago when it passed that Obama will be on his heals his entire term because of it. He let Pelosi and Reid screw up his presidency.

The solution was to mandate steady and reasonable pricing from state to state on the costs of healthcare.

MrMaxwell · 10-25-2013, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minte

I'm not against healthcare reform. It needed it 10 years ago.

I am strongly against the mandate, I don't like the fact that the government thinks they can oversee it when they prove time and time again they are basically incompetent.

The root causes of the high costs were ignored. No tort reform, not opening up interstate competition. This version of healthcare reform is nothing but another moneygrab. I read yesterday that one of the large carriers is florida realized it would not work for them and dumped 300,000 people that did have health insurance.

Lastly, I really didn't like they way the democrats installed it. All the backroom deals and arm twisting just to get their side to pass it. All that while the unemployment rate was at 9%+. It set the exact wrong tone for this administration. I said it 4 years ago when it passed that Obama will be on his heals his entire term because of it. He let Pelosi and Reid screw up his presidency.

The solution was to mandate steady and reasonable pricing from state to state on the costs of healthcare.

I'm all for all out government reform. Put them all on trial. It's suck a twisted messed up clusterfuck of fuckery at this point, there is no other answer. Until they're all on trial, nothing good can happen. The worst part is that they're as stupid as they are crooked. Taxing everything to death causes them to be able to steal LESS money because overtaxing everything causes less business to even happen.

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10-24-2013, 09:13 AM	#80
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10-24-2013, 09:57 AM	#83
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10-23-2013, 04:34 PM	#53
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10-24-2013, 09:04 AM	#77
MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	I don't think osama care makes any sense.. I think government should not be allowed to cause healthcare to cost 1000% of what it should, and then, care should be denied to fools who don't have coverage, at that point (when it would be affordable, as it should be). All we have here is 1. Government inflates the good holy christ out of health care costs 2. As a result of #1 no one who is poor or normal (the masses) can afford health insurance 3. The government now wants to force everyone they can to buy health insurance to help feed the beast they have created 4. Fuck everyone because we're all too stupid to be alive if we've allowed our government to get away with 1/100th of what they currently get away with doing every day 5. They should all be on trial

10-24-2013, 09:08 AM	#78
MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	Not to mention at all what it does to our economy when you keep fucking with business men. Make shit more expensive for them and dissuade them from doing business. That'll sure help. YaY Amerikka.

10-24-2013, 12:32 PM	#85
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10-24-2013, 12:44 PM	#87
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