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Old 10-30-2013, 01:26 PM   #51
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:42 PM   #52
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I'm happy for his success and have no idea nor care how he got there...just think it would be ironic if he inherited this company from his father and is following the classic stereotype of the born rich who "worked" all their life to get there.

Sad to post to post your corporate headquarters as if to say "Look what a big man I am!!!"
Must have hit a nerve if you've compelled him to post arial shots of his plastics factory
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I was raised in an area of mostly very poor people, my family included. I didn't really notice since that was just the norm until I got to college. The rich kids really blew my mind. I didn't realize some of these kids got boob jobs and nose jobs as part of their high school graduation gifts. Weird shit to me.
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Must have hit a nerve if you've compelled him to post arial shots of his plastics factory
this thread wasn't intended to be an indictment on Minte - a long conversation with one of my richest friends last night prompted it…the more he vehemently claimed to be a self made man the more he revealed how rich his father was - co-signed for everything, paid off all his loans, leg up the ladder all the way…this seems to be the norm with the born-rich…they are incredibly defensive and in denial that they were handed it all by parents, not that they don't work hard..many do - but how many of them would be working that hard on the factory floor instead of in the penthouse office.
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That's not true. And you can type it as many times as you need to and it still won't be true.
I realize that the same basic concept holds true for you as it does the OP. So I won't rehash the history of my business again.
Do you or do you not run the business that your father started?

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Did Lightspeed inherit his success?
Not at all. Steve dropped out of college, worked for Starbucks as a programmer, then a Jewelry Company, then created his own programming business. Then got into porn.

His father had nothing to do with any aspect of his success.
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I have known a few rich people/families in the past - It seems to me that it just means that when things are hard - IE now - Their problems are bigger than us poor people;-)...

I might struggle to pay a modest bill some months - They have bills that would make your eyes water that they struggle to pay - A lot of old money is tied up in property that often can't be touched.....

There are a lot of huge estates in the UK that have been turned into theme parks so that the 'super rich' owners can pay the bills...
That seems to be a pretty big problem with old money in the UK. Heaps of property that costs a fortune to maintain and it earns little to no cash...
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Born Rich is meaningless. Someone born to a family that has a few million tucked away has a big advantage over poor people but that kind of advantage usually gets squandered away within a couple generations or less. The market self-corrects for that sort of thing.

Born WEALTHY on the other hand is something entirely different. I'd bet you not a single person on GFY was born wealthy and other than one or two, not a single person on GFY has any chance of having their children born wealthy. When someone is born with a trustfund of a few hundred million... that doesn't ever go away. Decendents of railroad tycoons, banking vultures and oil titans, even several generations later are all playing by a very different set of rules.

Stop thinking people like Minte and people like the OP are so different. The gap between them may be large but it is tiny when compared to the gap between either of them and NFL Team owners. Millionaires and the poor are both being abused by Billionaires and yet they still think they so different from each other. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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Old 10-30-2013, 03:12 PM   #58
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Born Rich is meaningless. Someone born to a family that has a few million tucked away has a big advantage over poor people but that kind of advantage usually gets squandered away within a couple generations or less. The market self-corrects for that sort of thing.

Born WEALTHY on the other hand is something entirely different. I'd bet you not a single person on GFY was born wealthy and other than one or two, not a single person on GFY has any chance of having their children born wealthy. When someone is born with a trustfund of a few hundred million... that doesn't ever go away. Decendents of railroad tycoons, banking vultures and oil titans, even several generations later are all playing by a very different set of rules.
Having money makes it easier to make money. If I had ten million dollars in the bank when I was 18, I would most likely be in a different place today.

At the same time, my older brother, inherited millions of dollars when he was seventeen. He spent the next twenty-five years or so living well, never worked a day in his life... Until the money ran out. Suddenly he was forty-five and had never ever worked a day in his life.
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Why you (Minte) think I'm hassling you is a mystery...someone came in and said you inherited your daddies business..I didnt say that - someone else did... I was just saying how refreshing it would be if a guy who was born into wealth would just admit it and not be so defensive about it. With your over reaction to my simple statements you are proving the stereotype for me.
You are so wrong about it is why. If someone inherited a few million and did nothing it would be gone Ina few years. Did he have more yep but it doesn't make the accomplishment less. That is the part you are missing.
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I'm happy for his success and have no idea nor care how he got there...just think it would be ironic if he inherited this company from his father and is following the classic stereotype of the born rich who "worked" all their life to get there.

Sad to post to post your corporate headquarters as if to say "Look what a big man I am!!!"
Reading your posts it seems that nobody who was born to rich parents can not be the one who worked. Even if he worked all the time you would still say that he "worked".
What, should he be abandoned by the parents and only then you would agree that he worked?
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I do not understand what the problem is with Minte taking over and running a business he didn't start himself? I'd be proud to take over a family business and see it flourishing, wouldn't you? He's not being anything other than genuine when posting pics of his business headquarters, he's proud of it and you would be the same if it were you. Unlike 99.9% of people here he can actually back what he says up, and never makes a show of it.
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I do not understand what the problem is with Minte taking over and running a business he didn't start himself? I'd be proud to take over a family business and see it flourishing, wouldn't you? He's not being anything other than genuine when posting pics of his business headquarters, he's proud of it and you would be the same if it were you. Unlike 99.9% of people here he can actually back what he says up, and never makes a show of it.
Well said.
Imagine if you were the most hardworking man who would start working at your fathers company and eventually take it over you would still be called only the one who "worked". Even if you were the most hard working person in the entire company you would still be called the one who "worked". Just because your father had the company.
Conflicting logic.
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oddly quiet on this...
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oddly quiet on this...
Better explain why do you automatically assume that everyone who inherited the business did not work hard since the beginning? Your logic is flawed on this.
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I do not understand what the problem is with Minte taking over and running a business he didn't start himself? I'd be proud to take over a family business and see it flourishing, wouldn't you? He's not being anything other than genuine when posting pics of his business headquarters, he's proud of it and you would be the same if it were you. Unlike 99.9% of people here he can actually back what he says up, and never makes a show of it.
For sure.

If my family owned a small convenience store that I eventually took over then took from being 1 small store to a statewide chain of stores that is still a very impressive accomplishment.
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oddly quiet on this...
I hope he doesn't answer one way or the other, and leaves those grasping at someone to hate on, well... grasping
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Now compare that to the notion of having no need to ever make money.

It's an entirely different way of life. You think in terms of having a million and wanting three million. Having three million and wanting 17 million. When you start with 300 million in tax free investments you don't have to think about getting to 500 million. When you have 2 billion, 10 billion doesn't buy you anything 2 billion couldn't. With generational wealth it's points not dollars.
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The Bears are due..I think it's been 3 1/2years since they beat the Pack?
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this thread wasn't intended to be an indictment on Minte - a long conversation with one of my richest friends last night prompted it?the more he vehemently claimed to be a self made man the more he revealed how rich his father was - co-signed for everything, paid off all his loans, leg up the ladder all the way?this seems to be the norm with the born-rich?they are incredibly defensive and in denial that they were handed it all by parents, not that they don't work hard..many do - but how many of them would be working that hard on the factory floor instead of in the penthouse office.
You put my name in it.. And officially I was not born rich, not even close. I can set up and run presses..I can TIG weld expertly and after college I took a tool & die apprenticeship and I know my way around a shop.
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[QUOTE=Rochard;19854210]Do you or do you not run the business that your father started?

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I run a business that my father and I started together. He retired in the mid 80's and passed away in the late 90's.

I have answered you this before in detail. You won't forget again, right?
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oddly quiet on this...

Our resin supplier and their CFO was here this afternoon.
I was busy.

And as far as being oddly quiet. If you have friends that have done well, ask them this question sometime. What is harder. making a fortune or keeping it?
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I am sponsoring and funding 1,000,000 meals to starving children in Haiti. How about you and Rochard getting involved. I could say fuckem' let them starve and take a private jet on vacation for a few weeks. That's not how it works.





Wow that is awesome. You are a good man. How much is each meal?
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congrats on the accolades and noms, minte!
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Far-L and his brother are from a rich family, every article written about Homegrown mentions some famous elite private school they went to.

And weirdly, somebody told me a long time ago that XXXJay comes from a very wealthy family.

I'm from a middle to upper middle - depends on what the definition of upper middle class is.
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Wow that is awesome. You are a good man. How much is each meal?
He even got shit for that
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He even got shit for that
wait till they fine out the e in minte is silent, then they will really think upper crust.
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Do you or do you not run the business that your father started?

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I run a business that my father and I started together. He retired in the mid 80's and passed away in the late 90's.

I have answered you this before in detail. You won't forget again, right?
Trust me when I tell you... I will forget.

So you didn't take over your daddy's business, the two of you "built it together". That's ten time worse than your father giving it to you.

Your father, a man twice as old as you, with twice as much business experience, and the ability to raise one hundred times more capital... Helped you. If you did this on your own at age twenty-three you would have failed. Without your father you would have had nothing at all.

If my daddy came to me twenty or thirty years ago and said "Let's a build a business" and I got to use his line of credit (that is a lot more than a broke twenty-five year old has access to) I too would have a business would be building a fountain in front of my huge office building too.

(You know I love giving you a hard time. Email me already so we can talk off of GFY. I don't have any contact information for you.)
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This is the classic "My dad made me get a paper route when I was 12...I started at the bottom rung in the mail room" but the more you hear it's apparent all school debts paid by daddy, loans co-signed for, trust funds established..
Found this as well, at least with my generation.
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Far-L and his brother are from a rich family, every article written about Homegrown mentions some famous elite private school they went to.

And weirdly, somebody told me a long time ago that XXXJay comes from a very wealthy family.

I'm from a middle to upper middle - depends on what the definition of upper middle class is.
Dude. My father was the son of a plumber. My dad was a Ph.D mathmatician that worked for IBM but we were never above middle class. We got in the schools we did based on scholastic and athletic merits and my dad had to get help to pay for it regardless. I borrowed money from my mother, who got a second mortgage on her condo, to buy the biz from bankruptcy and turn it into what it is today. Most of my education came from being on the road following the Dead around. We paid her back and kept paying until she left this world. My brother got into Stanford for his swimming and the fact that he was a prefect and an A student, all things that had to be earned, not given freely.

I know what AD is referring to because I went to school with the super elite, as did my bro.

You know everyone thought the Beatles came from money and the Stones from the other side of the tracks when the exact opposite was true. Assumptions... well... we all know how assumptions work...

And you seem to be making a lot of those these days. Don't harm yourself with assumptions unless you want to Markharm yourself with presumptions.
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That's not true. And you can type it as many times as you need to and it still won't be true.
I realize that the same basic concept holds true for you as it does the OP. So I won't rehash the history of my business again.

Did Lightspeed inherit his success? How about every other person you have worked for in the last decade..All golden spoons. Did any of them actually work for it?
what does lightspeed have now? nothing much probably. those who came and went usually left with next to nothing. i'm sure there were some smart ones who got out at the right time and invested money into something else but making big money in porn back in lightspeed's glory days was so easy virtually anyone could do it.
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Debates over the equity of the tax burden tend to treat millionaires as a monolithic group even though research suggests that there is a significant amount of churning in and out of this elite status. Indeed, a recent Tax Foundation study used special Treasury panel data to look at the mobility of ?millionaire? taxpayers between 1999 and 2007.[7] It found a great deal of mobility among the so-called rich.

During this nine year period, about 675,000 taxpayers earned over a $1 million for at least one year. As Chart 6 shows, of these taxpayers, 50 percent (about 338,000 taxpayers) were millionaires for only one year, while another 15 percent were millionaires for only two years. By contrast, just 6 percent (38,000 taxpayers) remained a millionaire in all nine years. Based on these results, it is clear that taxpayers move in and out of millionaire status with great frequency. The volatile nature of capital gains realizations and business income appears to be the leading factors for the transiency of millionaires.

IRS data on the so-called Fortunate 400 also shows that even ?super? wealthy Americans are not a static elite club that no one can penetrate. Indeed, the report indicates a great deal of churning among the top 400 taxpayers over a 15 year period. Over that period, 3,305 taxpayers had large enough incomes to put them among the Fortunate 400. However, 73 percent of these taxpayers appeared on the list just once and only 15 percent appeared more than twice. In any given year, 40 percent of these taxpayers had never been on the list in any other year.[8]

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sorry but that percentage is fuck all.
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making big money in porn back in lightspeed's glory days was so easy virtually anyone could do it.
Why didn't you? Anyone could? So easy? If that is true then what is 'wrong' with you that caused you to not do it? Making money is never so easy that anyone could do it, it only looks that way in hindsight. In hindsight making money is always easy. A tablet that's basically a large smartphone... Duh easiest thing to make and it makes billions of dollars. Steve jobs had it easy when he made one? No, he had it easy in hindsight... At the time people warned him he would fail, waste a fortune and come out looking like a retard.

Making money is ALWAYS hard work. Keeping it is even harder. The only exceptions are lotteries and inheritance on a massive scale.

Don't confuse someone who earned money with someone who won the lottery (genetic or powerball variety). Doing that is no better than confusing someone who is poor with someone who is lazy.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:39 PM   #85
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Why didn't you? Anyone could? So easy? If that is true then what is 'wrong' with you that caused you to not do it? Making money is never so easy that anyone could do it, it only looks that way in hindsight. In hindsight making money is always easy. A tablet that's basically a large smartphone... Duh easiest thing to make and it makes billions of dollars. Steve jobs had it easy when he made one? No, he had it easy in hindsight... At the time people warned him he would fail, waste a fortune and come out looking like a retard.

Making money is ALWAYS hard work. Keeping it is even harder. The only exceptions are lotteries and inheritance on a massive scale.

Don't confuse someone who earned money with someone who won the lottery (genetic or powerball variety). Doing that is no better than confusing someone who is poor with someone who is lazy.
well i was only 18-20 depending on when we define what the glory days are. i started messing around with this in 1998 but had absolutely nothing. i lived in the middle of nowhere and thought i was doing great making 10k a month but in reality, its nothing and didn't last. i wanted to start a paysite but had no idea how i would upload the content over dialup..

i didn't have any help aside from my parents letting me use their computer. i grew up wearing clothes from the salvation army and living a house that was falling apart (literally) with no heat in the second floor. maybe i'm just a born failure but had i taken it as seriously as i should of and make a few different decisions, who knows where i might be today but instead i'm still working at it 7 days a week trying and hoping one day to get somewhere other than just average.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:48 PM   #86
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:52 PM   #87
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I respect Minte, as I too, am nothing but a board persona, from way back and have enjoyed watching his continued growth....
Fantastic news for the nomination, truly deserved from what I read!
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:54 PM   #88
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well i was only 18-20 depending on when we define what the glory days are. i started messing around with this in 1998 but had absolutely nothing. i lived in the middle of nowhere and thought i was doing great making 10k a month but in reality, its nothing and didn't last. i wanted to start a paysite but had no idea how i would upload the content over dialup..

The people who DID figure it out weren't doing 'nothing' and obviously 'anyone' couldn't do it. Twenty years from now people will look back at the thing that seems easy in hindsight, the thing you aren't doing now for whatever reason. Figure out what that thing is, figure out how to make money at it and in the future they will tell you how easy you had it back in the day. Fail to figure it out and your answer to the same question about why you didn't will be the same as it is now.

At home 3D printing? A new app to monetize 'freeloader traffic', A whole new product nobody knew they needed until now? A product that was tried and failed but now has the timing to be a huge success? What is that 'easy' thing people will talk about in hindsight ten or twenty years from now.... Figure it out yourself or plan to be man enough to give credit to those who did when the time comes. ;)

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By the way... For anyone who missed it... Minte is building a clean room, presumably to get into printing biological materials. In the next few decades printing human organs and replacement parts like ears will be a bigger industry than all car parts and plastic doodads you can think of... combined. Twenty years from now some of you will say 'he had it so easy back when he started in Biologicals, there wasn't much competition in that industry yet and he had this huge factory with so much spare capacity. All he did was invest a few million dollars into an entirely new somewhat experimental offshoot of his existing business"

In hindsight it always looks easy.
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Dude. My father was the son of a plumber. My dad was a Ph.D mathmatician that worked for IBM but we were never above middle class. We got in the schools we did based on scholastic and athletic merits and my dad had to get help to pay for it regardless. I borrowed money from my mother, who got a second mortgage on her condo, to buy the biz from bankruptcy and turn it into what it is today. Most of my education came from being on the road following the Dead around. We paid her back and kept paying until she left this world. My brother got into Stanford for his swimming and the fact that he was a prefect and an A student, all things that had to be earned, not given freely.

I know what AD is referring to because I went to school with the super elite, as did my bro.

You know everyone thought the Beatles came from money and the Stones from the other side of the tracks when the exact opposite was true. Assumptions... well... we all know how assumptions work...

And you seem to be making a lot of those these days. Don't harm yourself with assumptions unless you want to Markharm yourself with presumptions.
Dude. I wasn't putting you down. I merely assumed since you and your brother went to an elite private school that you came from a rich family. I stand corrected, you're from an upper middle class family.

You're very combative for a gentle hippy type.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:20 PM   #92
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oddly quiet on this...

He has explained about his business in detail...from the beginning up to this year. Why I do not know...it certainly is not something I would have done. Every new loser quizzes him and asks the same shit all over again and again...you are no different...sport.
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I don't like the point spread on this (GB -11). Think I'm going with the Bears.
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This is the classic "My dad made me get a paper route when I was 12...I started at the bottom rung in the mail room" but the more you hear it's apparent all school debts paid by daddy, loans co-signed for, trust funds established.. blue blood runs in your veins and you're set from your first gasp after you slime your way outta momma.
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But you took over your daddy's established business, which pretty much ensured you would do well in life.
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Trust me when I tell you... I will forget.

So you didn't take over your daddy's business, the two of you "built it together". That's ten time worse than your father giving it to you.

Your father, a man twice as old as you, with twice as much business experience, and the ability to raise one hundred times more capital... Helped you. If you did this on your own at age twenty-three you would have failed. Without your father you would have had nothing at all.

If my daddy came to me twenty or thirty years ago and said "Let's a build a business" and I got to use his line of credit (that is a lot more than a broke twenty-five year old has access to) I too would have a business would be building a fountain in front of my huge office building too.
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i remember back to high school, the new camaro z-28 came out, several of the just turned 16 year old kids i hung out with were given 1 by their parents, 1 brother&sister got identical ones but different colors.

i was pretty upset about that since my parents only got me the rs camaro.



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Old 10-30-2013, 07:10 PM   #96
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That's it? Honestly, if that's all you've got, it's one level lower than pathetic.

The fact that this is GoFuckYourself.com I will be happy to post a new picture of my main building i had photographed for your enjoyment. Do you like the new paintjob? It turned out well.

If you look close at the front, you can see the fountain area.
My father would've been pleased.

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He has explained about his business in detail...from the beginning up to this year. Why I do not know...it certainly is not something I would have done. Every new loser quizzes him and asks the same shit all over again and again...you are no different...sport.
The easy answer to your why do I not keep my world private..

In the 10+ years I was in this business, I went to shows, bought sites, galleries, content, hosting, ad spots etc... Along with that I promoted many different programs. Most of those oldtimers are gone now that remember me, but every single one of them had my info as I was either paying them or they were paying me.
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Trust me when I tell you... I will forget.

So you didn't take over your daddy's business, the two of you "built it together". That's ten time worse than your father giving it to you.

Your father, a man twice as old as you, with twice as much business experience, and the ability to raise one hundred times more capital... Helped you. If you did this on your own at age twenty-three you would have failed. Without your father you would have had nothing at all.

If my daddy came to me twenty or thirty years ago and said "Let's a build a business" and I got to use his line of credit (that is a lot more than a broke twenty-five year old has access to) I too would have a business would be building a fountain in front of my huge office building too.

(You know I love giving you a hard time. Email me already so we can talk off of GFY. I don't have any contact information for you.)
If only it had been that easy. He had a fulltime job and worked in the shop in the evenings while I worked during the day and most weekends. We started in the garage. That huge line of credit was a 3k loan from his aunt to purchase a bandsaw, a used mill, lathe and a drill press.

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The easy answer to your why do I not keep my world private..

In the 10+ years I was in this business, I went to shows, bought sites, galleries, content, hosting, ad spots etc... Along with that I promoted many different programs. Most of those oldtimers are gone now that remember me, but every single one of them had my info as I was either paying them or they were paying me.
Maybe I am slow but I don't understand your explanation of "why"...but that is OK...I don't need to understand...it is of no import.
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I was not born wealthy, however most of my friends outside this business are. You should not discount peoples achievements like minte he tooka small business and made it huge. JHands on work.

Most people would screw it up.
So out of the say 25 guys I hang out with and play basketball with at an elite private school. Only 2 did something on their own. One sold a business for a couple million before he was 30. Then took over the family business, which was just a game for his mother (they own rubber plantations in Asia). Anyway he took over their business in Canada and turned it sround into a thriving publishing company.

The other guy started a cool online security company and sold recently.

So that is 2/25 Not good odds for super rich with connections.

So give pepple the respect they deserve. It takes a lot more than just money to make a big company.

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