Donny

I posted this on my blog just minutes ago:

In 2008, porn star Jenna Jameson stood on the stage of the Adult Video Network Awards show, to present an award named after her, and stated the following:

?Honesty is key. I will never, ever, ever spread my legs in this industry again. Ever.?

She?d recently sold her company to Playboy for $25 million, and was booed when she uttered those words.

Now, 5 years later and broke, she recently announced she?ll be getting back in. But industry insiders are saying she?s too old and worn out to make any decent money.

Tonight, I posted some questions to my former colleagues and am currently awaiting answers. Here is what I asked:

And again, to those of you who consume porn, you?re part of the same supply-and-demand-circle that tears down the lives of the actors and actresses on screen. You can hide behind an anonymous screen and escape responsibility. Consuming in ANY way contributes to the demand, which is filled by producers and companies who release the supply.

Just a li?l somethin? somethin? to consider?

BFT3K

Most jobs are immoral and unjust. At least porn doesn't try to hide what it is.

Donny

1. Two wrongs make a right, correct?

2. There is no denying that sex-related work affects a person on a much deeper level than any other. It's highly unlikely a person will be laying on a psychiatrist's couch 50 years after the fact, crying about the horrible boss she had at her first job at Taco Bell. It's quite common, however, for people to be speaking of traumatic sex-related events from their youth when old, still looking for ways to cope.

BFT3K

1) Two wrongs? What you talkin about Willis?

2) I'm guessing 99% of "traumatic sex-related events" were not filmed for money. I'm not sure why you are targeting porn, but I'll play along. Go on...

kane

Do you make 100% sure that all the clothing you buy is not made using child labor in third world countries?

Do you make sure that any item you may purchase is made responsibly and not by companies that are pour toxins into the air and water which are causing people illness and death?

Do you drive a car? I'm sure you do. I know you fly because the other day you created a thread about flying. So you have no problem operating a vehicle or taking a plane that operates on fuel that very well may have come from oil from middle eastern countries where women are treated like property?

You also do realize that by being here on this board you are contributing to the problem you are claiming to fight against right? Your presence helps increase the post count and traffic stats for this site which in turns allows them to charge companies for advertising. Those companies likely sell porn or porn related stuff. By posting you are directly supporting porn.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Drugs are bad, m'kay!

Proselytizing already.

I especially like the Christian in you that came up with this salacious language (you're still a pervert, lol):

This is how you spread love.

Did you get all excited typing that? You are a total fraud Donny Pauling.

Post that on your blog...



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dyna mo

people like donny prey on people's misperceptions

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...hjsr20#preview



donny, go get some sex and feel better about yourself.

dyna mo

and if my daughter made $35million sucking cock, i'd prolly have shut up about her career choices.

Donny

Which of these things make it okay to treat someone else's daughters in ways you'd likely not tolerate for your own?

There is a fallacy called the "Red herring" fallacy, in which one brings up a fact or groups of facts totally irrelevant to the issue in discussion, in an attempt to distract the person with whom you're having a discussion. Your posts are a perfect example. Mmm. Herring.

Donny

BFT3K

It's not like a girl who is predisposed to filming porn was facing a mental quandary like...

"Should I pursue my masters degree in astrophysics, or just place this ad for myself on SexyJobs stating that I'm available for rough gangbangs. Decisions decisions..."

Mental stability and lofty aspirations are not common traits you will find in most pornstars, in case that wasn't obvious. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Porn is just as fucked up as professional wrestling, for example. Just another flesh show for profit.

Donny

Upon what do you base this? I recruited primarily from Chico State University. Girls were there to earn degrees. Shooting porn was easier than working at Starbucks, and our culture makes it seem okay and cool. No matter what they're told, college aged girls don't fully grasp how much their future will be impacted by the decisions they make.

dyna mo

the real problem is people like donny spreading messages like this, perpetuating myths, expoiting it for their own benefit


this study attempts to address that:

Attitudes Toward Pornography and the Characteristics Attributed to Pornography Actors.

http://business.highbeam.com/435388/...ics-attributed

Donny

You conveniently left out a few things from the part you quoted.


Nope, those don't sound like "damaged" girls to me.

177 porn actresses. One hundred seventy seven. Put a camera in front of a person, ask your questions with the right slant, and they'll tell you what you want to hear. That's human nature.

kane

My point is that none of us are innocent in this world. Is porn exploiting another person? To some degree I could see how people feel that way. Personally I think these people are adults and make their own choices.

But is filming a porn scene (or selling it/promoting it/etc) worse than buying shoes that are made in factories where 10 year old kids are worked 80 hours a week and often end up crippled? Those kids have no choice, they are forced into it.

Is porn worse than buying a product that supports a regime that treats women so horrifically that if she is unlucky enough to be raped she will the be whipped for having sex with someone she is not married to?

Why do you choose to let these people, people who had no choice in the matter suffer, but you come to the aid to porn actors who made a choice when they were adults and latr found out that it wasn't a great choice for them.

Jenna doesn't have to go back into porn. I don't know what she did with her money, but if it is all gone she could go the route of bankruptcy to get her debt washed away and she could get a regular job. It may not be easy, but she could do it. She just chooses to do porn because she made millions at it once and thinks she will be able to do it again.

BFT3K

So you're the lowlife scumbag preying on people's innocent daughters? You should be ashamed of yourself!

Next time, hire them from where they are offering themselves, so you are not the corrupter. No wonder you are so conflicted. You've assumed the role of an immoral enabler. Perhaps you are the one suffering from "traumatic sex-related events" of your own doing, and projecting your own self-hatred outward?

Donny

You've obviously ignored a few things:

1. Look at my comment to BFT3K that includes the line, "I recruited primarily from Chico State University. Girls were there to earn degrees."

2. When I speak, I too point out that the girls I recruited into porn weren't "broken." There are audio and video recordings of me saying this all over the Internet.

That said, the study you posted hints that the girls used in it were indeed more "broken" than their peers in the study.

Donny

Perhaps it's time to stop deluding yourself. I was often accused by clients of being "too nice" to those who worked for me. One client sent an LA photog to my house to shoot some of my models. He brought the girls to tears. And he's not a bad guy, either, from my point of view.

My way of recruiting included newspaper ads, billboards, paying for referrals, etc. Yes, they were adults making adult decisions. So are drug addicts, but that doesn't free pushers from responsibility.

dyna mo

donny, it's sad to see people like you exploit god and women. either way, i couldn't give a shit about what you do, i just like pointing out the obvious,

you are a complete hypocrite who exploits people's misperceptions.

Donny

Go watch the video on the front page of DonnyPauling.net, in which I speak in Melbourne, Australia, and you'll hear exactly what I say. Until you actually know what you're talking about, you're speaking from ignorant assumptions.

kane

So now if a girl happens to lose her virginity early, experiments with drugs and bisexual she is damaged?

I bet I could go out to the local bars in my city and find 177 "damaged" girls who have never had anything to do with porn.

Perhaps the reason for this study is that porn draws in a certain type personality. In order to get naked and have sex on camera you have to be pretty comfortable with your body and with sex and you are likely pretty open minded. These girls may not be "damaged" they may just be a different.

You can look at many professions and see like people. Most cops are pretty conservative. Most people in the movie industry are pretty liberal. Certain types of activities and industries draw certain types of personalities.

BFT3K

It's like Groucho says, "This would be a better world for children, if the parents had to eat the spinach"...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=Omu_bePQ4Lc

dyna mo

who gives a shit what it hints at...it states DIRECTLY that porn chicks are better adjusted and happier that the mainstream group.


good for them if they get to be happier, right donny?

dyna mo

i don;t need to watch a fucking video. i can see it easily enough right here.

you are a hypcrite who exploits god and people's misperceptions for profit.

kane

Why are so many christian anti-porn things using names that have a double entendre feel to them? XXX Church, Guilty Pleasure. Are they trying to use these names to draw in people looking for other things? It seems a little smarmy to me.

beerptrol

Shouldn't you be getting ready to go give a speech at some church. Everyone has and angle, some suck dick and some suck the dick of the church

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Donny

Again, slant your questions, and you'll get the answers you're looking for.

A girl I recruited appeared on a major news network after winning an award at AVN. She told the news cameras how great her life is in porn and how much she loved it. The very next DAY she called me and told me otherwise. She said she was excited because now she was getting so popular she hoped she'd not have to work with men anymore.

That same girl: I asked her via email if I could refer reporters to her when I'm interviewed, so that they could get an alternate perspective to mine for their stories. She said, and I quote, "I'm not really a good candidate because I'm very bitter against this industry. I'm pro-condom and anti-porn but a bit stuck for the next year or so in adult. I quit shooting b/g because I couldn't take the bs anymore... still do a little solo and gg stuff. I'm basically a walking hypocrisy."

You'd know her name if I shared it. Publicly, she talks about how amazingly great the porn life is. Privately... you just read how she really feels. Think it's possible those 177 porn stars in the study you linked might be the same? I'm pretty certain of it.

BFT3K

Sometimes people experiment with drugs, even though they may be dangerous, because they simply choose to. That's what Virgil Stockwell opted for...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=F54nR67PZPY

dyna mo

how many chicks have shot some sort of porn scene since porn exploded in the internet, in let's say 2000, so 13+ years/

1000 chicks a year? a lot more?

13000 chicks shot porn minimum, how many have you heard about that had their career disrupted as a result of their porn work?

10?

20?

7.

where the fuck is the data donny uses to support his assumption that a girl working in porn ruins her chances of doing anything else?

Donny

Are you kidding? I've heard of more than that just from those I personally recruited. Wow, you've got your head buried, don't you? Change that nick to Ostrich, my friend. You're seriously deluded. When it was discovered what they did for me during college, girls I recruited have lost jobs at Hewlett Packard, been kicked out of the police academy, been disowned by parents, been fired by local companies, lost real estate jobs, and much more.

Again, let's get back to the question:

Why's it okay to treat the daughters of another person in ways you'd never want your own to be treated? Please tell me this.

dyna mo

anecdotal bullshit. cite sources or stfu,

kane

I was actually going to say the same. Sure, some of them have the industry come back to haunt them and that sucks, but others take their money and retire and do what they want and many others move on, continue their lives and it never comes back.

Of course, that narrative is not profitable and easily sold in a speech to a group at a church.

BFT3K

God watched me film a POV blowjob once, and he killed me dead! I was shocked I tell you - SHOCKED!

Donny

Convenient to say that. Keep up the personal justifications. Source: personal interaction. I've taken the emails, telephone calls and even radio interviews with my own former models and with others who have left. Ignore the facts all you wish. You have been given the free will to do so.

dyna mo

the ironic thing about donny's ramblings is it actually helps porn and assists in recruiting new young girls.

porn sells and attracts because it is taboo.

donny keeps that taboo myth going, albeit a small contribution.

nevertheless, a contribution.

Donny

How many do you know who have retired on the money they made in porn? You don't have to actually answer that... just ponder it. Most porn stars have a very short shelf life. Nina Hartley's number, in our debate at Ohio State University, was 2 years. Multiply that by the average amount paid per scene and the average amount of times each model works. Tell me what you come up with... actually, no need to tell me. I already know. Just ponder it.

Donny

So when can I expect a "thank you" card? Am I back on your Christmas Card list?

BFT3K

Ponder this...



Looks like a cheap shot to me!

Ooooh, right in the gut (or whatever that is)!

dyna mo

again, if my daughter made $35 million, scored book deals, achieved celebrity status worldwide, etc et al on& on,

i'd stfu about my pre-conceived bullshit ideas about her career choice to suck cock.

kane

I would be shocked to hear that the average porn girl made it 2 years. I was under the impression that most of them are like strippers. The average career span of a stripper is three shifts.

I always figured it was something many of these girls did as a way to make some quick money then move on with their lives.

That is why I said SOME of them retire with their money.

Donny

How many match that description? How many enter, DAILY? Your daughter's odds of doing so are lower than her odds of winning the lottery.

So... for a 2 year career in which she's paid very little to be gang banged and jizzed all over, and where the video evidence of such will be around long after she's dead, is it okay with you?

If not, why's it okay when it's someone else's little girl?

dyna mo

i never took you off my list. you moved. they were all returned unopened.

Donny

I was giving Nina's numbers. Yours are more realistic, but for the sake of giving y'all the benefit of the doubt, I'm happy to use Nina's.

Donny

Awesome response.

dyna mo

see above. and yeah, it is ok with me. if my daughter chose that route, cool.

btw, jenna's old man felt the same. pretty sure there are pictures of him at avn awards.

Donny

Time to sleep. Gotta get up in 7 hours. I'll be more than happy to continue this discussion tomorrow.

Unrelated: anyone have a Galaxy Note 3? Right now AT&T has a promotion - buy one on a two year contract or renewal and get a Galaxy Note 8 for free (with 2 years of 4G service for it). I'm thinking about it. I love reading, and that huge screen would be awesome!

dyna mo

food for thought, c&p





Society loves when the Damaged Goods Hypothesis gets reinforced, because it validates the shame we associate with sex in general. It’s refreshing for us to see that these people were unhealthy or unhappy during their time as porn stars, because we’re taught to believe that enjoying sex — which is what porn stars do for a living — is wrong, and so the people who make them must be wrong in some way. It’s a comforting narrative: we get skittish around people who enjoy sex too much — even when those people are ourselves — and so we just love hearing how that enjoyment was a mistake, and that we’re much better now, thanks.

Donny

Spoken like a man who doesn't actually have a daughter. Do you? If so, mind if I pass along that statement to her mother?

dyna mo

i've got an lg optimus g pro with the same size screena nd it made all the difference in the world with reading, highly recomennded. very.

kane

Because they choose it. You are offering them a job. They choose whether or not to take it. Are those who recruit models telling them every little detail of the industry and the worst case scenario that could happen to them? Likely no.

There are tons of jobs out there that could end up having negative side effects. You choose to do them of your own free will.