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Old 12-04-2013, 05:07 AM   #51
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Does this apply only to sites selling traffic through plugrush? or also for the sites who are buying the traffic?
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:22 AM   #52
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That would be very brutal and a huge problem since they control the majority of the internet traffic. It would also effectively more or less kill a "competitor" of theirs and make people wonder, what company is next? I doubt this is what is going on, but with Google, you never know lol

We have not had any sites be de-indexed because of an advertisement code - with redirect or not - but it might be that the golden days of blind redirecting mobile traffic is over.
You make me double lol - first,google been brutal for years,starting from pushing their own sites when searching,censoring certain keywords,removing data based on certain pattern,and dont let me talk about panda and penguin...
For example,years ago there was a big drama lama beacuse google suddenly deindexed almost every smart thumb based site,you were only able to find your site if you typed domain.com as keyword.Luckly,that drama finished after 11 days as then suddenly all rankings was restored.But it shows what google can do.
And second,mobile redirect golden years stopped since new regulations in germany,since then price started to drop like rock from sky.If i am not wrong average price for publisher is now 10$/1k among best paying countries.Or for example,last time i checked usa mobile publisher price it was only 2$ for 1k.


And there is one trick if you want to avoid this scenario regardeless what type of ad you serve:
-dont serve any ad to usa geo,as all google ip which i checked always contain us adress
This might be problem if site traffic is mainly from usa,but still it is better solution then no serving ads at all.
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You make me double lol - first,google been brutal for years,starting from pushing their own sites when searching,censoring certain keywords,removing data based on certain pattern,and dont let me talk about panda and penguin...
For example,years ago there was a big drama lama beacuse google suddenly deindexed almost every smart thumb based site,you were only able to find your site if you typed domain.com as keyword.Luckly,that drama finished after 11 days as then suddenly all rankings was restored.But it shows what google can do.
In other words, exactly what I said. If it is what is going on, there would be drama and with Google you never know. Google is a private company, we all know they can do what they want and probably do.

I just don't think they suddenly blanket removed everyone that had anything to do with PlugRush. Why would they? Why them? Why not someone like Exo that is direct competitor?

So far no-one has proved that this is what is going on, on the contrary actually. But I am glad I made you laugh

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And second,mobile redirect golden years stopped since new regulations in germany,since then price started to drop like rock from sky.If i am not wrong average price for publisher is now 10$/1k among best paying countries.Or for example,last time i checked usa mobile publisher price it was only 2$ for 1k.
dude US has always been crap and while DE traffic isn't paying $25/k, there are still plenty of money to be made selling mobile traffic .

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And there is one trick if you want to avoid this scenario regardeless what type of ad you serve:
-dont serve any ad to usa geo,as all google ip which i checked always contain us adress
This might be problem if site traffic is mainly from usa,but still it is better solution then no serving ads at all.
Or how about just not being a moron and getting your sites removed from SERPS and then blaming plugrush for it instead of not showing ads to the worlds most powerful consumer region. fucking lol
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Old 12-04-2013, 06:09 AM   #54
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I just don't think they suddenly blanket removed everyone that had anything to do with PlugRush. Why would they?
To kill monetization of porn, same as they did on Blogspot?

Please don't let this thread descend into a private argument.
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:27 AM   #55
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Got the same thing happen to me on the 27th of November.

Cloaking and/or sneaky redirects
Some pages on this site appear to be cloaking (displaying different content to human users than are shown to search engines) or redirecting users to a different page than Google saw.

All I got on my site is the mobile redirect, popunder and trade iframe. (glamcorepics.com)

I've since removed the mobile redirect and ask for manual review....

"We'll review the site. If we find that it's no longer in violation of our Webmaster Guidelines, we'll reconsider our indexing of the site. Please allow several weeks for the reconsideration request. We do review all requests, but unfortunately we can't reply individually to each request. "

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Old 12-04-2013, 07:32 AM   #56
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Might be interesting if to see some of the sites, maybe there is another reason (and i'msure there is..) for the deindexing.

If really plugrush is a problem, that'd kill some webmasters....
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Old 12-04-2013, 08:15 AM   #57
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In other words, exactly what I said. If it is what is going on, there would be drama and with Google you never know. Google is a private company, we all know they can do what they want and probably do.

I just don't think they suddenly blanket removed everyone that had anything to do with PlugRush. Why would they? Why them? Why not someone like Exo that is direct competitor?

So far no-one has proved that this is what is going on, on the contrary actually. But I am glad I made you laugh



dude US has always been crap and while DE traffic isn't paying $25/k, there are still plenty of money to be made selling mobile traffic .



Or how about just not being a moron and getting your sites removed from SERPS and then blaming plugrush for it instead of not showing ads to the worlds most powerful consumer region. fucking lol
Why plugrush?Well that is how it works when you analyze things,you will go with what is a biggest chance to be source of it,so you start removing things till things get better and then you commence further analyze . But yes it is possible how it's not related with plugrush,it could be rule of biggest pie share,for example like when a popular trade/thumb/whatever script get hacked.So maybe this is simple coincidence as there is large number of sites using plugrush.But when it comes to google,nobody is ever right even their reps plus patterns are never 100%(in this case not all plugrush sites are affected).

Indeed you can make decent money with mobile traffic,but providing you have a lot of traffic in right countries.

And when it comes to not displaying usa ads,i pointed that as one of the choices,beside you can then use alternative ad,for example you could instead redirecting usa mobile traffic,show mobile banners plus popunder and in the end maybe even make more money then with mobile redirects.
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Old 12-04-2013, 01:25 PM   #58
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I don't think it's mobile redirects but rather plugrush itself since my site doesn't use mobile redirects from plugrush but the regular widget but still got de-indexed
I like how your join date is new and all of your posts are bashing plugrush, that's interesting.

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To kill monetization of porn, same as they did on Blogspot?

Please don't let this thread descend into a private argument.
Then they should just remove all porn sites if they really wanted to do that. And if that happens someone else will instantly be the next big search engine and we'll all party.

Btw what private argument? There is really nothing to argue, someone came on saying that the widgets in itself is causing their sites to be removed from SERPS index. That's fucking lame, especially since they can't prove anything and so many sites aren't de-listed. Someone should start to get control over all the trolls in here, that constantly spit shit out about companies with not a single shred of proof.

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Why plugrush?Well that is how it works when you analyze things,you will go with what is a biggest chance to be source of it,so you start removing things till things get better and then you commence further analyze . But yes it is possible how it's not related with plugrush,it could be rule of biggest pie share,for example like when a popular trade/thumb/whatever script get hacked.So maybe this is simple coincidence as there is large number of sites using plugrush.But when it comes to google,nobody is ever right even their reps plus patterns are never 100%(in this case not all plugrush sites are affected).
Yea, but they aren't the biggest and it makes no sense. Besides, if your site is about to be removed from the index for something as trivial as a mobile redirect, you usually get a couple of warnings first. At least that's what I am told by people smarter than me.

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And when it comes to not displaying usa ads,i pointed that as one of the choices,beside you can then use alternative ad,for example you could instead redirecting usa mobile traffic,show mobile banners plus popunder and in the end maybe even make more money then with mobile redirects.
True. I read you wrong man sorry, I thought you just wouldn't advertise to US mobile traffic and thought wtf... and you are absolutely right on the above statement you made btw TeamSkeet does great with US mobile traffic for example when advertised the right way.

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Then they should just remove all porn sites if they really wanted to do that. And if that happens someone else will instantly be the next big search engine and we'll all party.
You know,that doesn't sound like bad idea at all.Let's ban porn on google
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Btw what private argument? There is really nothing to argue, someone came on saying that the widgets in itself is causing their sites to be removed from SERPS index. That's fucking lame, especially since they can't prove anything and so many sites aren't de-listed. Someone should start to get control over all the trolls in here, that constantly spit shit out about companies with not a single shred of proof.
Yea, but they aren't the biggest and it makes no sense. Besides, if your site is about to be removed from the index for something as trivial as a mobile redirect, you usually get a couple of warnings first. At least that's what I am told by people smarter than me.
Actually there is one "hard evidence" way to see is plugrush cause or not.You can login to google webmaster tools,first check is there any messages,if not then request a re-inclusion,and if you get message how there are no manual penalties,then means nothing wrong with plugrush and cause was algorithm update.And if there is manual penalty,then you can ask for details and get proper answer instead speculating.


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True. I read you wrong man sorry, I thought you just wouldn't advertise to US mobile traffic and thought wtf... and you are absolutely right on the above statement you made btw TeamSkeet does great with US mobile traffic for example when advertised the right way.
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Old 12-04-2013, 02:58 PM   #61
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I like how your join date is new and all of your posts are bashing plugrush, that's interesting.

What is your username on Plugrush?
Yeah really, OP starts this thread with VERY little information and still has NOT giving any proof whatsoever.

OP could you please share any proof to your claims? There are a lot of reasons why Google might deindex your website(s).

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I thought several people have posted similar experiences.
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Nah, probably something else is wrong. We have hundreds of sites using plugrush, big and small and not a single one has been removed from SERPS.
It is only a matter of time...

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I still have not seen ANY concrete proof that mobile redirects cause your site to be deindexed...I just checked every site that I have the mobile redirect on and every single one of them is running fine in Google and getting the same traffic if not more as usual.
But it can change. Lot of sites de-indexed recently. I got some to. They came up and got manualy reviewed and then it's done.
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I never skimmed anything and still got deindexed on my main money site. I think google bot has not hit minor sites yet. I also doubt if it has anything to do with pop unders otherwise tens of thousands of sites would have been hit already. Have not heard back from google after 5 days of making site consideration request.
It does seem like the era of making some residual $ by using mobile redirects has indeed come to an end.
Is it a manual review?
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But it can change. Lot of sites de-indexed recently. I got some to. They came up and got manualy reviewed and then it's done.
Oh I know I totally agree with you, Google is always changing but I'm not going to remove Plugrush's mobile redirect because someone who just started posting here starts a thread without any proof to their claims (infact now he's saying that it wasn't the mobile redirect that did it?).

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i just cheked my google web master tools

Some manual actions apply to entire site
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Some pages on this site appear to be cloaking (displaying different content to human users than are shown to search engines) or redirecting users to a different page than Google saw. Learn more.
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Oh so this is really about redirecting huge portions of ones traffic can cause you to get removed from SERPS... how can that surprise anyone?
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Can you post a screenshot?This is hard evidence which is is needed-tho it doesn't say how it's plugrush fault,just how mobile redirect is bad,which is more likely considering that is against google guidelines.
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Oh so this is really about redirecting huge portions of ones traffic can cause you to get removed from SERPS... how can that surprise anyone?
Not surprised at all,hell i am more surprised how they didn't started to do that much much before
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How can some people be surprised about that? It's clearly a sneaky redirect, isn't it obvious?

You redirect surfer to a totally different site. It was just bound to happen. Since Plugrush is used on many websites now, the probability was pretty high to hit some of the sites using it.

There is still time for other webmasters to remove these mobile redirects (not just Plugrush sponsor, but rest as well) in order to be safe from de-index. It's clearly against Google's Guidelines and you are just playing with fire keeping these redirects.

Better try banners, pops for mobile traffic or other methods to monetize such traffic.
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omg i see it
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But is this only happening to plugrush redirects? Or is the "normal" mobile redirect via htacess or php also punished by google. I mean the mobile redirect to a mobile version of a site is being used since years by adult and mainstream...weird shit men....
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Lost almost all of 4K daily SE traffic yesterday. Cannot be coincidence. I'm removing plugrush. Is it only an issue with the mobile redirect or it also the plug widget too?
So on the 3rd, my site was de-indexed from Google and remained so. Today, I received the notice in my Google webmaster tools account regarding manual actions saying:

Cloaking and/or sneaky redirects
Some pages on this site appear to be cloaking (displaying different content to human users than are shown to search engines) or redirecting users to a different page than Google saw.

It states this is site-wide.

I have removed Plugrush mobile redirect code on the 4th and have requested reconsideration today. We'll see how this goes.
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So on the 3rd, my site was de-indexed from Google and remained so. Today, I received the notice in my Google webmaster tools account regarding manual actions saying:

Cloaking and/or sneaky redirects
Some pages on this site appear to be cloaking (displaying different content to human users than are shown to search engines) or redirecting users to a different page than Google saw.

It states this is site-wide.

I have removed Plugrush mobile redirect code on the 4th and have requested reconsideration today. We'll see how this goes.
it says it man take a while i got lucky on one of my sites. pulled the stuff traffic is coming back from google.
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Ok i think we concluded how mobile redirects are now definitely no-no,regardless do you use plugrush or not
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Currently I am using EroAds IpTv-Redirect on one of my sites. Any experience with this yet?
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So lets start building mobile tubes for each domain, putting more and more free porn as there isn't enough out there...
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Ich denke das wird sich zeigen, wenn Google Bots raussendet, die einen TV Client anzeigen. Vorher kann das eigentlich nicht als Cloaking erkannt werden.
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So on the 3rd, my site was de-indexed from Google and remained so. Today, I received the notice in my Google webmaster tools account regarding manual actions saying:

Cloaking and/or sneaky redirects
Some pages on this site appear to be cloaking (displaying different content to human users than are shown to search engines) or redirecting users to a different page than Google saw.

It states this is site-wide.

I have removed Plugrush mobile redirect code on the 4th and have requested reconsideration today. We'll see how this goes.
i think this one is a hard evidence already
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Old 12-05-2013, 04:06 PM   #86
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I don't think it's the mobile redirects per se but the way they are done by plugrush and other ad networks for that matter.

When you hit a mobile redirect from most if not all of the ad networks you will notice that before reaching the final destination a couple of different url's load up, each redirecting to another.

In other words, multiple redirects.
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So lets start building mobile tubes for each domain, putting more and more free porn as there isn't enough out there...
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I've just checked my stats like I am doing everyday and look at this shit from today!!


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No new messages or recent critical issues.
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Maybe related to this:

"Google Webmaster Tools Smartphone Crawl Errors"

http://www.seroundtable.com/google-w...ors-17762.html

http://searchenginewatch.com/article...e-Crawl-Errors

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...webmaster.html

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...tphone_11.html

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I don't have any crawl errors and I don't think it is related at all to the manual actions taken by Google.
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But is this only happening to plugrush redirects? Or is the "normal" mobile redirect via htacess or php also punished by google.
Depends on where you are redirecting your traffic to. If you are redirecting your mobile traffic to a mobile version of your own site then you are fine. If you are redirecting your mobile traffic to an advertisers site then that's where Google has a problem.
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I've just checked my stats like I am doing everyday and look at this shit from today!!


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No new messages or recent critical issues.

what is shown above happened one day after I've removed plugrush mobile redirect. That day traffic went up,and tomorrow (yesterday in this moment), google took most of my traffic. But what I've also noticed is that at the same time, yahoo and bing alo started sending half of normal traffic on that day.
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I've just checked my stats like I am doing everyday and look at this shit from today!!


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No new messages or recent critical issues.
Check again tomorrow after the stats update. It is not real time. When you add an app/site, you pick the timezone for stats update, right? Remember what it was? Same here for today but the day is not over yet. Has about 11 more hours to be over... lol... Below I will show a screenshot of a site's traffic from search engines. Note site is using plugrush from day 1 (same day domain was registered). Yes... I know I have to get it back to normal. Not enough energy... Have bigger concerns atm.

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Looks like confirmed, I have an Italian webmaster who owns an Italian site.

His website was banned by Google, no longer in SERPS. What he has on site? Mobile redirection code from Plugrush. He was shocked and could not understand why it happened.

In rest site is clean, so I doubt it's something else.
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Check again tomorrow after the stats update. It is not real time. When you add an app/site, you pick the timezone for stats update, right? Remember what it was? Same here for today but the day is not over yet. Has about 11 more hours to be over... lol... Below I will show a screenshot of a site's traffic from search engines. Note site is using plugrush from day 1 (same day domain was registered). Yes... I know I have to get it back to normal. Not enough energy... Have bigger concerns atm.

It is my time zone and these are not results for that day,it was on end of the day.
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Looks like confirmed, I have an Italian webmaster who owns an Italian site.

His website was banned by Google, no longer in SERPS. What he has on site? Mobile redirection code from Plugrush. He was shocked and could not understand why it happened.

In rest site is clean, so I doubt it's something else.
This was the message received, same as others received:

"Cloaking and/or sneaky redirects
Some pages on this site appear to be cloaking (displaying different
content to human users than are shown to search engines) or redirecting
users to a different page than Google saw."
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Maybe they automatically concluded how every site which contain plugrush code doing redirects regardless do you do it or not.
This thread cracks me up. Google has told folks for years that ALL paid / automatic link swaps (such as plugrush and all other such systems) will hurt your ranking.

I've written about this before (and previously posted about it here as well).

Now when folks get hit, they act surprised?

It is akin to the WL dupe content penalties some were hit with and seemed "shocked"

Google has few surprises up its sleeve. The problem is that folks that rely on them for traffic don't bother reading their terms or tips
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there are no errors on my site. Also, I've removed redirection and was it was ok for a while
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