Business The massive tube sites...what turnover/profit do people think they have?

[Adult-biz]

Servers/cloud services are one of the main expenses I know but hosting is cheap nowadays. I know this could turn into a guessing game but I`d be interested to hear what people think such web properties generate?

[The Porn Nerd]

Top 5 tubes I would imagine (IMAGINE) make $30mil a year in REVENUE each. Maybe more, maybe less. As you said, a guessing game.

[freecartoonporn]

[420]

I bet they make more than they spend on content.

[Adult-biz]

Originally Posted by 420

I bet they make more than they spend on content.

[freecartoonporn]

hosting is cheap but cdn isnt.

[tiramisu]

It isn't cheap if u seek for a reliable hosting with cdn. U need to calculate the mbps per second on most tube and when u actually do it, u will know its not hard to max 1000+ mbps if u have some traffic. Then u will consider CDN and its pretty expensive. Actually it isn't the expense problem, but more like can u convert ur tube into a money maker? Its harder than u think.

[420]

Originally Posted by tiramisu

It isn't cheap if u seek for a reliable hosting with cdn. U need to calculate the mbps per second on most tube and when u actually do it, u will know its not hard to max 1000+ mbps if u have some traffic. Then u will consider CDN and its pretty expensive. Actually it isn't the expense problem, but more like can u convert ur tube into a money maker? Its harder than u think.

Don't you just do the basics?

1. fill site with sponsor videos
2. add aff banners
3. that's it, you're a money maker!

[freecartoonporn]

Originally Posted by 420

Don't you just do the basics?

1. fill site with sponsor videos
2. add aff banners
3. that's it, you're a money maker!

if it was that easy. i would be millionaire.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Top 5 tubes I would imagine (IMAGINE) make $30mil a year in REVENUE each. Maybe more, maybe less. As you said, a guessing game.

My educated guess says over $30m.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Top 5 tubes I would imagine (IMAGINE) make $30mil a year in REVENUE each. Maybe more, maybe less. As you said, a guessing game.

I find that hard to believe.I mean,if they make somuch money,then why they dont simply stop accepting user uploads(or make it available only by submitting id)and fully concentrate on buying/producing content for it?

[Jel]

not that I can be bothered to, but:

go to tube, their banner service, look at prices
check google search volume for that tube ('pornhub' has 37m and 13m searches per month in USA and UK respectively, with a TON more longtail searches involving the keyword 'pornhub')
click around on tube and see how many different ads you see

work out ad revenue purely on that

factor in bookmarkers, other SE traffic aside from 'tube name' searches, cam consoles, their premium tube membership, affiliate income, and like fuzebox says, I'd go in for more than 30m.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Online Marketing Services

Servers/cloud services are one of the main expenses I know but hosting is cheap nowadays. I know this could turn into a guessing game but I`d be interested to hear what people think such web properties generate?

Massive Tube sites are doing $1million+ a month in profit.

[signupdamnit]

Between $0.50 - $4.00 / k uniques. My best guess would be about $2.00 / k uniques.

So if a tube network does 100 million uniques a day that would be $200,000 a day or $73 million a year.

At $0.50 / k uniques:

$50,000 a day or $18.25 million a year

At $1.00 / k uniques:

$100,000 a day or $36.50 million a year.

So use whichever one you think that traffic is worth.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Shap

Massive Tube sites are doing $1million+ a month in profit.

It's peanuts though compared to what left the industry in the last half decade.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's peanuts though compared to what left the industry in the last half decade.

why would they give a fuck? if you had that idea, are you saying you'd have not gone through with it in case it affected some complete stranger's bottom line?

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by Jel

why would they give a fuck? if you had that idea, are you saying you'd have not gone through with it in case it affected some complete stranger's bottom line?

You have a point.

But by screwing over the industry as a whole, they risk screwing themselves over in time as well.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Jel

why would they give a fuck? if you had that idea, are you saying you'd have not gone through with it in case it affected some complete stranger's bottom line?

Anyone could have opened a tube in 2007 or 2008. The reason many didn't is because they saw it as stealing and shooting themselves in the foot.

I think it would have been better to keep the format but seek ways to do so without damaging the pay site industry as much. In other words not to open one door at the expense of closing 1,000 others.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Anyone could have opened a tube in 2007 or 2008. The reason many didn't is because they saw it as stealing and shooting themselves in the foot.
.

lol come on, you really think this is why?

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Roald

lol come on, you really think this is why?

Yes. Brazzers was small time compared to the other players of the time. But they didn't want to shoot themselves in the foot or spoil their reputations in the industry. There was also the risk of being sued. Mansef in fact hid that they owned the tubes for a long time for this reason.

There was nothing innovative or original about it. Youtube was the original innovator. The adult tubes basically just took the youtube idea and those with the balls (or little to lose) to try it, did it. That is why it is still called "tubes" after "youtube".

[signupdamnit]

I'll also add that if youtube allowed porn starting back in 2006 when it started there probably wouldn't be any big adult tubes right now. In fact if youtube started allowing full on porn right now within three years most of the major adult tubes would be at 10% of their current size or less. Youtube is the original innovator and most people would prefer to go there.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by 420

Don't you just do the basics?

1. fill site with sponsor videos
2. add aff banners
3. that's it, you're a money maker!

Ah hahahahahha

[Jel]

Originally Posted by mopek1

You have a point.

But by screwing over the industry as a whole, they risk screwing themselves over in time as well.

at even $1m a month, 'screwing themselves over in time' is just - well, it doesn't even come into the equation. Like they are gonna sit there and go "well we can do $1m a month *but*, in time, we won't. Good point, scrap that idea".

[Jel]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yes. Brazzers was small time compared to the other players of the time. But they didn't want to shoot themselves in the foot or spoil their reputations in the industry. There was also the risk of being sued. Mansef in fact hid that they owned the tubes for a long time for this reason.

There was nothing innovative or original about it. Youtube was the original innovator. The adult tubes basically just took the youtube idea and those with the balls (or little to lose) to try it, did it. That is why it is still called "tubes" after "youtube".

again, why would they give a fuck about being original or innovative?

"here's a multi-million dollar idea..."

"hmm, that is neither original, nor innovative"

"Good point, scrap that"

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by Jel

at even $1m a month, 'screwing themselves over in time' is just - well, it doesn't even come into the equation. Like they are gonna sit there and go "well we can do $1m a month *but*, in time, we won't. Good point, scrap that idea".

Again I hear you and am not saying that their idea is a failed one.

The way I conduct business, and see business in general is for long term benefit but I can't argue against what you are saying.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Jel

again, why would they give a fuck about being original or innovative?

"here's a multi-million dollar idea..."

"hmm, that is neither original, nor innovative"

"Good point, scrap that"

Originally you spoke of it being an idea that someone came up with. I was just pointing out that it wasn't anyone's idea at all. They simply started a tube after youtube did and since Youtube did not allow porn it was open.

That others didn't want to shoot themselves in the foot or be seen as scumbags probably helped the early tube owners quite a bit- less competition.

Overall they did great for themselves, yes (even though most have left with the money now and are no longer around adult). But everyone else was right. Look what it did to the industry.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by mopek1

Again I hear you and am not saying that their idea is a failed one.

The way I conduct business, and see business in general is for long term benefit but I can't argue against what you are saying.

yeah I hear you too, but would guess that your long term benefit is *your* long term benefit. The same as mansef saw their plan as *their* long term benefit.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Originally you spoke of it being an idea that someone came up with. I was just pointing out that it wasn't anyone's idea at all. They simply started a tube after youtube did and since Youtube did not allow porn it was open.

That others didn't want to shoot themselves in the foot or be seen as scumbags probably helped the early tube owners quite a bit- less competition.

Overall they did great for themselves, yes (even though most have left with the money now and are no longer around adult). But everyone else was right. Look what it did to the industry.

well no, I spoke of it as the idea of how to make a ton of money. person sees xyz, thinks hmm, if I apply that to abc, I can make big cash monies. That's still an idea - idea's don't have to be original or innovative, unless you want a bunch of backslappers saying 'wow, what an original and innovative idea'.

And again - why would they give a fuck about everyone else being right, being that those 'in the right' people would suffer monetarily? what did 'being right' bring those people who thought it? A collective backslap? An avenue to collectively bitch about external circumstance x affecting their income? Yeah, awesome.

[pornlaw]

Anyone notice the change in www.PornoTube.com ??

Not a tube anymore really... Short clips for upsells to DVDs. No ads no affiliates nothing that says typical Tubesite.

It wasn't the biggest or the highest ranked but it was the first big one and they have now changed their business model.

Will this signal a change across the industry in the coming years? Who knows but it is interesting.

I guess making $30 million a year wasn't good enough.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Anyone notice the change in www.PornoTube.com ??

Not a tube anymore really... Short clips for upsells to DVDs. No ads no affiliates nothing that says typical Tubesite.

It wasn't the biggest or the highest ranked but it was the first big one and they have now changed their business model.

Will this signal a change across the industry in the coming years? Who knows but it is interesting.

I guess making $30 million a year wasn't good enough.

I recall way back when Pornotube was huge they got sued by Vivid. Their business model changed soon after and they began to decline rapidly. They haven't been a major player in the tube game for well over 5 years.

[fuzebox]

I could have easily had a $30m/yr tube if only I decided to post full length videos!

Dat moral high ground

[Shap]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I could have easily had a $30m/yr tube if only I decided to post full length videos!

Dat moral high ground

[pimpmaster9000]

tubes will be broke in the next 10-20 years...conditioning surfers to "NEVER PAY AGAIN FOR PORN" for a few decades and the tube sponsors will go broke just like the 1000.0000.0000 tubes that wont be able to pay even for their domain name because if you think the current tube surfers are cheap beggars who will never pay for anything, wait for their children to come of age...

factor in that tube profits are being diluted by the minute, because there's always desperate beggars who will steal more than the "legit tubes" who purchased content for pennies from companies they bankrupted with piracy...

what happened to the pay sites will happen to tubes...

[seeandsee]

They make lots of money, and when they start to offer protected original content (oh the irony) for money on side of their "user uploads" they will make even more.

[shoot twice]

Originally Posted by Online Marketing Services

Servers/cloud services are one of the main expenses I know but hosting is cheap nowadays. I know this could turn into a guessing game but I`d be interested to hear what people think such web properties generate?

Truthfully,

I sincerly doubt anyone can answer your question. When you look into the tube sites you find all kinds of shell corporations, tax optimization excuses, servers located in foreign nations but offices in another. Meanwhile they just seem to destroy legit businesses they take over and make enemies everywhere they go.

I'm not saying or hinting that anything illegal is going on with the tube sites. All I'm saying is that when it comes to tube sites there's a lot going on we don't know about. (And never will)

So I think the only thing anyone can say with certainty is that you probably won't get rich by simply starting a tube site.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Yesterday, after looking at this thread, I spent a few minutes looking at some demographic data comparisons of some of the more popular tubes. 25% of these porn tube websites' traffic is of the sort that could buy and if 1% did buy they (tube websites) might generate revenue from .0025 (0.25% [or less]) of their visitors ...

[lezinterracial]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

tubes will be broke in the next 10-20 years...conditioning surfers to "NEVER PAY AGAIN FOR PORN" for a few decades and the tube sponsors will go broke just like the 1000.0000.0000 tubes that wont be able to pay even for their domain name because if you think the current tube surfers are cheap beggars who will never pay for anything, wait for their children to come of age...

factor in that tube profits are being diluted by the minute, because there's always desperate beggars who will steal more than the "legit tubes" who purchased content for pennies from companies they bankrupted with piracy...

what happened to the pay sites will happen to tubes...

This is the way I see it. At some point, Nobody is gonna want to buy any of the stuff on the tube sites.

That might change though. The way things are changing with whores being mainstream, Kardashians, Mainstream might actually start advertising on the tubes.

[Kenny B!]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

tubes will be broke in the next 10-20 years...conditioning surfers to "NEVER PAY AGAIN FOR PORN" for a few decades and the tube sponsors will go broke just like the 1000.0000.0000 tubes that wont be able to pay even for their domain name because if you think the current tube surfers are cheap beggars who will never pay for anything, wait for their children to come of age...

factor in that tube profits are being diluted by the minute, because there's always desperate beggars who will steal more than the "legit tubes" who purchased content for pennies from companies they bankrupted with piracy...

what happened to the pay sites will happen to tubes...

People on tubes do pay for stuff, otherwise those advertising month after month would stop. Yet we see the same ads month after month for a reason.

Tubes didn't kill paysites, they killed all the affiliates. Unfortunately many paysite owners got killed when they lost their top affiliates and didn't adapt or change their traffic sources.

There are more and more people accessing the internet and more methods of billing these people.

There will always be people and companies like Crak for example that will find a way to monetize on mass traffic.

Originally Posted by lezinterracial

That might change though. The way things are changing with whores being mainstream, Kardashians, Mainstream might actually start advertising on the tubes.

Mainstream is advertising on the tubes, a few companies have had ads up on PornHub already.

[Marshal]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Between $0.50 - $4.00 / k uniques. My best guess would be about $2.00 / k uniques.

So if a tube network does 100 million uniques a day that would be $200,000 a day or $73 million a year.

At $0.50 / k uniques:

$50,000 a day or $18.25 million a year

At $1.00 / k uniques:

$100,000 a day or $36.50 million a year.

So use whichever one you think that traffic is worth.

Tube networks are (mostly) selling traffic per click, not per view. With healthy CTR of 1-2%, you will have to divide that data by 50-100x times and multiply it by total number of banner spots. Plus, they have to give their 50% share to traffic brokers (unless they own their own traffic broker).

With 100mil uniques per day that would be up to 1-5 million per year in revenue. There's also a lot of expenses on hosting and good CDN, and on stuff that has to make that work perfect, so I would say you can cut that to 50%.

Btw, I'm not sure there are too many networks with 100 million uniques a day...

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Marshal

Tube networks are (mostly) selling traffic per click, not per view. With healthy CTR of 1-2%, you will have to divide that data by 50-100x times and multiply it by total number of banner spots. Plus, they have to give their 50% share to traffic brokers (unless they own their own traffic broker).

With 100mil uniques per day that would be up to 1-5 million per year in revenue. There's also a lot of expenses on hosting and good CDN, and on stuff that has to make that work perfect, so I would say you can cut that to 50%.

Btw, I'm not sure there are too many networks with 100 million uniques a day...

100 million uniques a day generating 1-5 million a year in revenue?

uhm ok.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

tubes will be broke in the next 10-20 years...conditioning surfers to "NEVER PAY AGAIN FOR PORN" for a few decades and the tube sponsors will go broke just like the 1000.0000.0000 tubes that wont be able to pay even for their domain name because if you think the current tube surfers are cheap beggars who will never pay for anything, wait for their children to come of age...

How do you explain the massive amount of typein and banner click joins generated from watermarked paysite videos on tubes?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Marshal

Tube networks are (mostly) selling traffic per click, not per view.

Where can I buy tube traffic per click?

[Kenny B!]

Bored Fuzebox? This thread is full of misinformation, why add actual facts and knowledge?

[JA$ON]

Originally Posted by Shap

Massive Tube sites are doing $1million+ a month in profit.

What he said

[pornlaw]

What mainstream companies are advertising on tubes ?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Bored Fuzebox? This thread is full of misinformation, why add actual facts and knowledge?

Procrastinating work

[adultmobile]

Oh no another "I know it all about tubes" thread!

Originally Posted by crucifissio

tubes will be broke in the next 10-20 years...conditioning surfers to "NEVER PAY AGAIN FOR PORN" for a few decades and the tube sponsors will go broke just like

If current tubes can stay up even 0.25% of visitors only buy something (usually, cams or something different from prerecorded video), I don't think this conversion ratio can go down much further, while hosting bills should go down further since this is how technology evolves. In other words, hosting bills decrease faster than the conversion ratio declines, and there's a point lower which the conversion ratio can't go, because services like cams are not related to prerecorded content and linked to human nature needs of at least 1 guy every X thousands.

The only reason tubes may be broke it is not the "never pay for porn", but north america + europe applying ISP ban (no just DNS ban, but IP ban you can't skip with opensns/googledns). Why to ban tubes? Because can't stop the 30% their viewers being under 18 people, lately reaching mostly via cell phones.

[chaze]

I'm surprised they make anything. Why pay when you get it for free.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by chaze

I'm surprised they make anything. Why pay when you get it for free.

It's actually amazing to me how 'parasite' businesses (no offense) do not seem to "get" the "problem" with tube sites. Hosting companies, domain brokers, graphic designers, all the people who '"support" an Industry always ask "Why pay when it's for free?" yet they do not seem to realize this:

People stop paying for porn.......ok......NOW:

No money for Hosting
No money to pay designers
No money to shoot content
No money to buy domains
No money to go to Trade Shows....

On and on. Tubes affect PAYSITES #1....then the pain trickles down to the rest of the Industry. Yet new content (the lifeblood of the ENTIRE INDUSTRY) comes from.....class?

Paysites. Not hosting, domains, designers, et al. PAYSITES.

[amateurcanada]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

How do you explain the massive amount of typein and banner click joins generated from watermarked paysite videos on tubes?

Apart from profiting on the pirates and scammers, tube traffic converts pretty well as you can (with some skill) target specific keywords and categories. We all have to work with what we are presented as times will change and threaten how we do business. One thing remains clear - unique content grabs the attention of the viewers and will convert to sales. As always, content is king.