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JFK · 01-20-2014, 08:38 PM

Fitty stimulus packages

crockett · 01-20-2014, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Obama is pulling troops out of Afghanistan ? Yes or at least working on it.

Is he leaving someone in charge? Yes

Where did I lose you? I think you need a copy of hooked on phonics!

I think you have been drinking the kool aid far too long.. You are bad as the conspiracy nutters, in the fact that you can't understand any sort of reality with out somehow being able to blame everything wrong with the world on Obama. As I said before you are obsessed. See a shrink.

directfiesta · 01-20-2014, 09:54 PM

Just got home from an intense major incident ( IT ) .

Tx for all the laughs, mainly to the OP .

jimmycastor · 01-21-2014, 01:04 AM

most citizens allready have tons of batteries with their smartphones, notebooks whatsever inside their households, and no one seems to care or be concerned

now theres a decent car by an independent manufacturer that starts to get successfull and ouups the scandal goes

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I think you have been drinking the kool aid far too long.. You are bad as the conspiracy nutters, in the fact that you can't understand any sort of reality with out somehow being able to blame everything wrong with the world on Obama. As I said before you are obsessed. See a shrink.

You know crockett, you sure are a waste of time, you have nothing to add but to call me names, typical liberal response. Why don't you just bow out gracefully. You are just out of your league.

Seriously, do you have anything intelligent to say?

tony286 · 01-21-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You know crockett, you sure are a waste of time, you have nothing to add but to call me names, typical liberal response. Why don't you just bow out gracefully. You are just out of your league.

Seriously, do you have anything intelligent to say?

You know I like you and respect you. But you are starting to go off the deep end.

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 11:20 AM

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You know I like you and respect you. But you are starting to go off the deep end.

Tony, you and I disagree on things, but we are civil to each other. crocket jumps in threads just to call me names. The op is about facts, if you disagree with the facts or want to make comments, go ahead. But if I call you on it, then you shouldn't get your panties in a twist.
crocket is a moron that always takes the liberal side of the debate. And when he runs out of propaganda to use, he starts with the insults, pretty lame if you ask me.

I have a problem with hybrid and electric cars because of the huge carbon foot print they have because of the metals and chemicals they use in their batteries and having the government spending millions to loan them and millions more to promote them.

MaDalton · 01-21-2014, 11:28 AM

i really think you should start to worry about the carbon footprint of cars like the F150 - huge piece of metal with horrible mpg and not more space inside than a regular Jetta or Passat

still the most sold car in the US (for whatever reason)

seriously - before you start worrying about cars that in the foreseeable future will remain a small percentage of total cars sold, rather start convincing people to drive smaller (in total size/weight) cars with 3 or 4 cylinder gas or diesel engines that do 40 mpg or more

but since that doesnt fit your agenda, i dont have much hope

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i really think you should start to worry about the carbon footprint of cars like the F150 - huge piece of metal with horrible mpg and not more space inside than a regular Jetta or Passat

still the most sold car in the US (for whatever reason)

seriously - before you start worrying about cars that in the foreseeable future will remain a small percentage of total cars sold, rather start convincing people to drive smaller (in total size/weight) cars with 3 or 4 cylinder gas or diesel engines that do 40 mpg or more

but since that doesnt fit your agenda, i dont have much hope

I drive a F150. It gets ok gas mileage for a 4x4 with a V8. I don't drive it much anymore. When I go on trips I use my Harley that gets just a hair over 40 mpg.

My agenda is common sense.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, federal policies to prop up and promote electric cars will cost taxpayers $7.5 billion through 2019.

It's not about the size of sales that I'm concerned about, it's the money that the government is spending on each car when the battery technology is flawed. They need to address that before pushing forward.

Last month, the ?father of the Prius,? Takeshi Uchiyamada declared that electric cars were simply ?not viable.? "Because of its shortcomings--driving range, cost and recharging time--the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars," said Uchiyamada. "We need something entirely new."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...as-Powered-Car

pornguy · 01-21-2014, 11:57 AM

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Remember Obama giving green energy loans from the stimulus to Tesla?

Tesla Motors' Dirty Little Secret Is a Major Problem

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...or-proble.aspx

Energy independence, a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, lower fuel costs: All of these promises are factors behind the rise in electric vehicles' popularity. Unfortunately, they're more fiction than fact. Here's why, and how it could affect companies like Tesla Motors .

Do you want cancer with that battery?
Recently, the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Department of Energy undertook a study to look at the environmental impact of lithium-ion batteries for EVs. The study showed that batteries that use cathodes with nickel and cobalt, as well as solvent-based electrode processing, have the highest potential for environmental impacts, including resource depletion, global warming, ecological toxicity, and human health. The largest contributing processes include those associated with the production, processing, and use of cobalt and nickel metal compounds, which may cause adverse respiratory, pulmonary, and neurological effects in those exposed.

In other words, li-ion batteries that contain nickel and cobalt have a significant effect on health and the environment. More specifically, this includes Panasonic's automotive grade li-ion batteries, which contain lithium, nickel, cobalt , and aluminum, and a proprietary cathode geometry developed jointly by Panasonic and Tesla -- and are currently used in the Model S.

So much for green energy!

Show me the test done by an independent company that has nothing to gain except the payment and I MIGHT believe it.

2MuchMark · 01-21-2014, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

It's always struck me as odd how peeps like ********** espouse things like the tesla while eschewing other things like fracking, clearly not have any idea about either.

Dynamo, let's be clear. EVERYTHING has an impact on the environment. What I usually bitch about is people's disregard for the facts. Tesla promote itself as a very green car which it is, but of course things like its batteries and manufacture cause some pollution too.

What I wish people would do is support more companies that not only have a green policy, but push harder for change to the system. For example, tax subsidies should go to new green companies for research and development, not to big oil.

dyna mo · 01-21-2014, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

What I usually bitch about is people's disregard for the facts.

But that's what you do, just like in this thread. You say peeps should pick up a science book, then go on to say laptop batteries are the same as the batteries in the Tesla. I posted a chart 2x showing the basic difference for you, which you disregarded.

That's why I like replying to your comments, btw, so don't you go changing!

2MuchMark · 01-21-2014, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i am pretty sure the total number of laptop and cellphone LI-ION batteries worldwide exceed the numbers from Tesla by far (which btw are laptop batteries switched together)

Exactly right.

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but actually i despise electric cars, but for totally different reasons

Why?

Personally I was never a big fan of electric but I am really getting there. IMO I think Telsa makes the best electric car. I tried the Chevy Volt and Nissan Leaf and neither compare to Telsa.

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Anti-green Tesla in front of bird-killer wind turbines:

About 10k to 40k of Birds die from hitting Windmills every here, but this is nothing compared to other sources.

Lighted Communication Towers : 40 to 50 MILLION bird deaths each year.
Cars : 60 to 80 Million Bird deaths each year
Windows : 100 Million to 1 Billion per year
Power Lines : 130 Million to 174 Million
Domestic cats : Hundreds of Millions.

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If Obama wanted to really do something about air quality and gas mileage, he would pass a law to make the stop lights work so we spent less time stopped at them

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There are too many cars in busy cities. Stop lights are used to KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING, not slow it down. Since the world love their cars, replacing them with greener cars is the best way to reduce pollution.

But hey, you know what you would be a good start? Drive-thru windows at MacDonalds. Talk about a waste of energy for all the wrong reasons.

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At presence, they are only considering recycling them as they're not enough of them yet to recycle. But that's in the works.

Wrong again. Don't you read anything but right-wing bullshit? http://www.technologyreview.com/news...-gets-a-boost/
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tesl...ycling-program
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesla...in-europe.html (since 2011)
https://www.apple.com/ca/batteries/

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Agreed, it's easier for them to make money off us with those technologies, I want to see more research in hydrogen powered cars.

I don't think Hyrdogen is a good idea. As you like to say about batteries, there is a huge cost to the environment to make and refine Hydrogen. And, Hydogen requires very large spherical tanks in your car. And hydrogen doesn't just burn like gas when in an accident. It explodes with incredible force. And besides, Hydrogen requires a whole new delivery infrastructure so cars can "gas up". Why bother, when you can get "gas up" at home with an electric car?

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On a submarine, we separated O2 from the Hydrogen in the sea water. We stored the O2 to breathe and pumped the Hydrogen over board. The same tech could be used to power a car, the tech is several decades old.

This is called Electrolysis, and sure I thought about this too. In fact I did this when I was a little kid. With a couple of test tubes or jars, a plastic bucket, wires and DC current, I could separate the Oxygen and Hydrogen from water, then light the gas on fire for a fun POP of a mini explosion. Sound like the answer, right? Zap water and turn it into fuel. The problem is that it is not efficient enough. It takes alot of energy to separate the H and O from water, and alot of time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Show me the test done by an independent company that has nothing to gain except the payment and I MIGHT believe it.

http://www.abtassociates.com/newsrel...nvironmen.aspx

This study was done in partnership with the EPA

2MuchMark · 01-21-2014, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I think you have been drinking the kool aid far too long.. You are bad as the conspiracy nutters, in the fact that you can't understand any sort of reality with out somehow being able to blame everything wrong with the world on Obama. As I said before you are obsessed. See a shrink.

Not laughing at this - I really think you're right. Vendy, maybe you should see a shrink...

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Originally Posted by jimmycastor

most citizens allready have tons of batteries with their smartphones, notebooks whatsever inside their households, and no one seems to care or be concerned

now theres a decent car by an independent manufacturer that starts to get successfull and ouups the scandal goes

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You know crockett, you sure are a waste of time, you have nothing to add but to call me names, typical liberal response. Why don't you just bow out gracefully. You are just out of your league.

Seriously, do you have anything intelligent to say?

Vendy, it's you that has the issues. You are so blinded by any other ideas that do not sit perfectly with what you think you know. The basic issue is this : The world is a dirty place thanks to coal and big oil. Alternatives need to be discussed, found, explored and exploited. That's it, thats all. Stop shitting over other ideas just because you're an old fart too set in his ways. By your thinking, your computer would still be nothing but a terminal connected to a Univac.

It's a shame that you call people like Crockett a "Waste of time" when you are the one with the ass-backwards ideas.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I have a problem with hybrid and electric cars because of the huge carbon foot print they have because of the metals and chemicals they use in their batteries and having the government spending millions to loan them and millions more to promote them.

But Vendy old pal.... don't you agree that it is better to have a car that does not spew out noxious gasses out of its ass just to get people from here to there? Don't you at least agree that a high tech car is better than a new car based on the century-old "technology" of a noisy, dirty, gasoline engine? This isn't the 1950's anymore...

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It's not about the size of sales that I'm concerned about, it's the money that the government is spending on each car when the battery technology is flawed. They need to address that before pushing forward.

But Vendy this is the entire point. Maybe battery technology isn't perfect, but R&D money and other loans are intended to help RESEARCH and DEVELOP new technologies to make things better.

As a consumer, the Chevy Volt is flawed because the range sucks (50 miles per charge). Tesla beat them silly with a 250 Mile range. Imagine a few years from now when a 500 Mile and 1000 mile battery range becomes reality. This can only be achieved by more research and development. The government's push and promotion on this is a great great idea.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Last month, the ?father of the Prius,? Takeshi Uchiyamada declared that electric cars were simply ?not viable.? "Because of its shortcomings--driving range, cost and recharging time--the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars," said Uchiyamada. "We need something entirely new."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...as-Powered-Car

Well first of course he would say that.

My problem with Hybrid cars is that they carry around a gas engine, transmission, gas tank, oil tank, oil pump, pistons etc etc and all the extra weight, placing unnecessary burden on the electric engine. Strip all that stuff out and you have a lighter car that can go further on a charge. The gas engine components in a way, make the reason for the electric side of the car moot, and vice-versa. The Prius is a pretty nice car, but seems flawed in my opinion.

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There are too many cars in busy cities. Stop lights are used to KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING, not slow it down. Since the world love their cars, replacing them with greener cars is the best way to reduce pollution.

But hey, you know what you would be a good start? Drive-thru windows at MacDonalds. Talk about a waste of energy for all the wrong reasons.

Maybe in Canada, but stop lights are used to keep traffic going sounds a little weird. Do you run red lights a lot in Canada?

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Wrong again. Don't you read anything but right-wing bullshit? http://www.technologyreview.com/news...-gets-a-boost/
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tesl...ycling-program
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesla...in-europe.html (since 2011)
https://www.apple.com/ca/batteries/

Ok, so they started

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I don't think Hyrdogen is a good idea. As you like to say about batteries, there is a huge cost to the environment to make and refine Hydrogen. And, Hydogen requires very large spherical tanks in your car. And hydrogen doesn't just burn like gas when in an accident. It explodes with incredible force. And besides, Hydrogen requires a whole new delivery infrastructure so cars can "gas up". Why bother, when you can get "gas up" at home with an electric car?

You do know that Hydrogen is made from water right?

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This is called Electrolysis, and sure I thought about this too. In fact I did this when I was a little kid. With a couple of test tubes or jars, a plastic bucket, wires and DC current, I could separate the Oxygen and Hydrogen from water, then light the gas on fire for a fun POP of a mini explosion. Sound like the answer, right? Zap water and turn it into fuel. The problem is that it is not efficient enough. It takes alot of energy to separate the H and O from water, and alot of time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis

That's why I want to see more efforts go into it. Make the chemical reaction more efficient and we will have the perfect power plant.

MaDalton · 01-21-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

But that's what you do, just like in this thread. You say peeps should pick up a science book, then go on to say laptop batteries are the same as the batteries in the Tesla. I posted a chart 2x showing the basic difference for you, which you disregarded.

That's why I like replying to your comments, btw, so don't you go changing!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogo...-going-to-try/

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The forward-thinking company understands the challenge ahead and is on its way to doing just that, planning what CEO Elon Musk has dubbed a ?Giga Factory,? that would produce everything from the battery cells to fully finished packs. (Tesla currently uses about 7000 laptop-battery cells in each vehicle.) It has been buying commodity parts from Panasonic to make its packs and the recently announced deal between the two companies suggests that Panasonic could partner with Tesla to build such a facility.

right now Tesla indeed buys regular laptop batteries from Panasonic

or at least people argue about it

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Tesla Motors refers to the Roadster's battery pack as the Energy Storage System or ESS. The ESS contains 6,831 lithium ion cells arranged into 11 "sheets" connected in series; each sheet contains 9 "bricks" connected in series; each "brick" contains 69 cells connected in parallel (11S 9S 69P). The cells are of the 18650 form-factor commonly found in laptop batteries. Sources disagree on the exact type of Li-Ion cells?GreenCar says lithium cobalt oxide (LiCo),[109] while researchers at DTU/INESC Porto state lithium manganese oxide (LMO).[110] LiCo has higher reaction energy during thermal runaway than LMO.[111]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster

But:

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Tesla has made clear its intentions to produce a much less expensive model in 2016-17 that will start at $35,000. As the company explained yesterday, if it hopes to deliver that car along with its pricier models, it will need to produce more lithium-ion batteries than are currently manufactured worldwide today.

and to put that into perspective

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By upping its year-end target to 21,500 deliveries of the Model S sedan, planning to double the production rate by the end of next year, and setting up a new deal with battery supplier Panasonic that should allow it to build more than 100,000 vehicles within 4 years, Tesla is off to a good start. But the company has a long way to go before its numbers even begin to register on the global auto-sales scoreboard, which tallied nearly 82 million units last year.

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Not laughing at this - I really think you're right. Vendy, maybe you should see a shrink...

So everyone that disagrees with you needs a shrink? I know who needs a shrink!

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Vendy, it's you that has the issues. You are so blinded by any other ideas that do not sit perfectly with what you think you know. The basic issue is this : The world is a dirty place thanks to coal and big oil. Alternatives need to be discussed, found, explored and exploited. That's it, thats all. Stop shitting over other ideas just because you're an old fart too set in his ways. By your thinking, your computer would still be nothing but a terminal connected to a Univac.

It's a shame that you call people like Crockett a "Waste of time" when you are the one with the ass-backwards ideas.

crocket gave no ideas, only that I needed a shrink. And I think the world needs new ideas, but not ones that involve all the dangerous chemicals

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But Vendy old pal.... don't you agree that it is better to have a car that does not spew out noxious gasses out of its ass just to get people from here to there? Don't you at least agree that a high tech car is better than a new car based on the century-old "technology" of a noisy, dirty, gasoline engine? This isn't the 1950's anymore...

I never said that, voices in your head?

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But Vendy this is the entire point. Maybe battery technology isn't perfect, but R&D money and other loans are intended to help RESEARCH and DEVELOP new technologies to make things better.

As a consumer, the Chevy Volt is flawed because the range sucks (50 miles per charge). Tesla beat them silly with a 250 Mile range. Imagine a few years from now when a 500 Mile and 1000 mile battery range becomes reality. This can only be achieved by more research and development. The government's push and promotion on this is a great great idea.

So you are agreeing with me

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Well first of course he would say that.

My problem with Hybrid cars is that they carry around a gas engine, transmission, gas tank, oil tank, oil pump, pistons etc etc and all the extra weight, placing unnecessary burden on the electric engine. Strip all that stuff out and you have a lighter car that can go further on a charge. The gas engine components in a way, make the reason for the electric side of the car moot, and vice-versa. The Prius is a pretty nice car, but seems flawed in my opinion.

Carbon footprint is bigger than a normal car because of the battery, that's what I don't like about them

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

But that's what you do, just like in this thread. You say peeps should pick up a science book, then go on to say laptop batteries are the same as the batteries in the Tesla. I posted a chart 2x showing the basic difference for you, which you disregarded.

That's why I like replying to your comments, btw, so don't you go changing!

He will ignore your facts and raise you a couple innuendos

MaDalton · 01-21-2014, 01:02 PM

and one more:
http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/10/...top-batteries/

so i have to admit that they use indeed way more batteries than i thought - but it's still laptop batteries

good thing i said that i dont like electric cars anyways...

Magnetron · 01-21-2014, 01:07 PM

Anyone have a study on how much lead paint was used in the interiors of submarines?

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

Anyone have a study on how much lead paint was used in the interiors of submarines?

None, not much paint at all. But then all you care about is attacking me. Fucking Troll

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

and one more:
http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/10/...top-batteries/

so i have to admit that they use indeed way more batteries than i thought - but it's still laptop batteries

good thing i said that i dont like electric cars anyways...

20,000 units, 7,000 laptop batteries per car, that's 140 million laptop batteries
If Tesla continues to grow, this could turn into a huge problem.

dyna mo · 01-21-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

- but it's still laptop batteries

While they are the same form factor, 18650, but are not of the same chemistry, the key difference is the nickel cobalt cathodes(which is the problem). laptop batteries used in laptops do not use nickel cobalt

more here

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/for...ly-lithium-ion

http://largebattery2012.blog.terra.c...oxide-battery/

Magnetron · 01-21-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

None, not much paint at all. But then all you care about is attacking me. Fucking Troll

Just trying to diagnose the root cause of this mental obsession of yours.

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

Just trying to diagnose the root cause of this mental obsession of yours.

What's causing your obsession of me?

dyna mo · 01-21-2014, 02:34 PM

Here's an interview with the CTO of Tesla where he talks about using the nickel cobalt batteries

http://articles.sae.org/11923/

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It?s an automotive cell, tested to automotive standards. It doesn?t go into laptops anywhere.

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 02:34 PM

Look everyone, like electric cars?
Well batteries suck
Here's a better idea by Honda called the FCX Clarity
http://www.carscoops.com/2014/01/hon...ogen-fuel.html
Fill it up at a station just like gas, no emissions other than water. Running an electric motor.
This is the kind of tech we should look at, we can never run out of Hydrogen.

baddog · 01-21-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I support better mass transportation systems...

ADG

That only works for very localized travel.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i really think you should start to worry about the carbon footprint of cars like the F150 - huge piece of metal with horrible mpg and not more space inside than a regular Jetta or Passat

Speaking for myself, I did not own a pickup for the inside space; never knew anyone that did. Cargo space.

Magnetron · 01-21-2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

What's causing your obsession of me?

One lead paint comment about Zilla versus hundreds of hours spent ranting about Obama.

Lol you crack me up

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron

One lead paint comment about Zilla versus hundreds of hours spent ranting about Obama.

Lol you crack me up

Obsession confirmed

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Speaking for myself, I did not own a pickup for the inside space; never knew anyone that did. Cargo space.

Cargo space, being able to tow trailers with ski boats or jet skis or dirt bikes on them. Pickups are awesome!

4X4's are the best

MaDalton · 01-21-2014, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Speaking for myself, I did not own a pickup for the inside space; never knew anyone that did. Cargo space.

but why do they sell like crazy - there cant be that many mexican gardeners...

and you cant tell me that 1 million+ pickups sold every year are used to tow boats every weekend (which you also can do with a regular car unless your boat is midsize yacht)

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

but why do they sell like crazy - there cant be that many mexican gardeners...

and you cant tell me that 1 million+ pickups sold every year are used to tow boats every weekend (which you also can do with a regular car unless your boat is midsize yacht)

People here like to fix up their homes, you can bring home a full sheet of plywood in the bed of mine. I have a couple milk crates in the back for when I go grocery shopping. A ski boat with a big V8 in it can weigh a lot. You would be surprised how many times I get asked to help haul something because I have a pick up. I have always owned a pick up! My first was a 70 dodge 4x4 with a 440 magnum...

Also, not everyone lives in the city, if you own any property, you have to own one

crockett · 01-21-2014, 05:29 PM

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You know crockett, you sure are a waste of time, you have nothing to add but to call me names, typical liberal response. Why don't you just bow out gracefully. You are just out of your league.

Seriously, do you have anything intelligent to say?

When talking to you there is no reasoning or any chance that you will ever accept anything that doesn't fit your narrow little view of the world as you see it. Trying to reason with you or explain something to you is a waste of time. However I'm doing a community service by telling you to visit a shrink..

Meanwhile Tesla is now out selling BMW, Mercedes and Lexus in many areas of the US but that's a failure in your little Fox News utopia.

directfiesta · 01-21-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Cargo space, being able to tow trailers with ski boats or jet skis or dirt bikes on them. Pickups are awesome!

4X4's are the best

Lol.... And you were saying that you were concerned about " the carbon footprint " ......

Minte · 01-21-2014, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

When talking to you there is no reasoning or any chance that you will ever accept anything that doesn't fit your narrow little view of the world as you see it. Trying to reason with you or explain something to you is a waste of time. However I'm doing a community service by telling you to visit a shrink..

Meanwhile Tesla is now out selling BMW, Mercedes and Lexus in many areas of the US but that's a failure in your little Fox News utopia.

I don't have a dog in this race, but read the whole article. Tesla is outselling the top of the line of the 3 mentioned for a few months. Apples and oranges. The entry level Sclass is $25k more than a top line tesla. And the feds don't kick in a rebate.

That being said, I like electric cars. I might trade my Smart car in for the electric version.

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 08:40 PM

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Lol.... And you were saying that you were concerned about " the carbon footprint " ......

Why I also have a Harley that gets a hair over 40 MPG
I know that's not as good as your skateboard, But I'm happy.

End result is that Battery based cars are being sold because they are good for the environment, that's a lie.

The Hydrogen car that Honda makes is much better

Vendzilla · 01-21-2014, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

When talking to you there is no reasoning or any chance that you will ever accept anything that doesn't fit your narrow little view of the world as you see it. Trying to reason with you or explain something to you is a waste of time. However I'm doing a community service by telling you to visit a shrink..

Meanwhile Tesla is now out selling BMW, Mercedes and Lexus in many areas of the US but that's a failure in your little Fox News utopia.

LOL, you haven't even got into the conversation you dumb fucking shit for brains!

All you have done in this thread is try to insult me and you can't even do that.

You are a waste of my time, you have a problem with what I'm saying, join the debate, don't yell insults from the sidelines and confirm just how fucking stupid you are!!!

The thread is based on a government study that shows that the batteries in the Tesla are bad for the environment, please tell me where that's wrong you mental midget!

Rochard · 01-21-2014, 08:56 PM

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That's why I want to see more efforts go into it. Make the chemical reaction more efficient and we will have the perfect power plant.

Just so long as the government doesn't give out a loan, even if it is paid back early, RIGHT?

MaDalton · 01-21-2014, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Also, not everyone lives in the city, if you own any property, you have to own one

or you do it like the people over here - you just borrow a trailer for the weekend

or have your stuff delivered

baddog · 01-21-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

but why do they sell like crazy - there cant be that many mexican gardeners...

and you cant tell me that 1 million+ pickups sold every year are used to tow boats every weekend (which you also can do with a regular car unless your boat is midsize yacht)

People use them as work vehicles; and there is a whole tot of empty space between LA and NYC, trucks come in handy for the people that live there.

I suspect boats rank pretty low on the reason trucks are purchased.

2MuchMark · 01-21-2014, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

But that's what you do, just like in this thread. You say peeps should pick up a science book, then go on to say laptop batteries are the same as the batteries in the Tesla. I posted a chart 2x showing the basic difference for you, which you disregarded.

That's why I like replying to your comments, btw, so don't you go changing!

Dynamo,

I didn't answer you yet because I really don't know how to answer you. I'm not a chemistry major and I wanted to do some research before answering you.

You said in your post that the batteries are not the same, and you posted a chart:

If you look at the very bottom of the chart you posted it says "Table 1: Reference names for Li-ion (Lithium Ion) batteries. All of the batteries are Lithium Ion, and are used in cars & computers. The chemical composition may be different for different types of batteries but this is to be expected. I don't know which of the compounds in each of the batteries is more polluting than the other, but this is not the point. I am happy to say that All of them have pollution issues when it comes to the manufacturing process, especially if the plant that makes them dumps waste instead of process & recycle it properly.

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Maybe in Canada, but stop lights are used to keep traffic going sounds a little weird. Do you run red lights a lot in Canada?

Wow... now you're trolling. Without traffic lights, your city would be in 24/7 gridlock and save lives. Sure they're a nuisance when you've got to get from A to B, but really man... fuck.. now you're anti traffic-light?

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You do know that Hydrogen is made from water right?

Sigh... I guess you didn't read my post. Yes there's Hydrogen in water, but it is not the only source.

Allow me to school you on SCIENCE 101. Hydrogen powered cars convert Hydrogen into electriciy with something called a Fuel Cell. At first it seems like a GREAT idea because (Hey! It's electric!) and Hey Hey! It produces zero emissions except for WATER (Yes, Water comes out of the tail pipe in a Hydrogen powered car) and heat.

The Hydrogen fuel to power your car can come from water, and it can also come from Natural gas. A process called steam reformation can be used to separate the hydrogen in the gas from the carbon and is the most common way to get Hydrogen. If the point of using Hydrogen in cars is to save the earth, getting it from Natural gas is the worst possible way to do it because surprise - it ads CO2 and other crap to the atmosphere.

By the time Hydrogen is put into your tank the cost to you is almost the same as regular gas too, not including the cost of the carbon footprint.

Besides that, the cost is high. You need the cars to run on them, and you need the infrastructure to fuel them as I said earlier. The cars are very expensive - over $100,000 right now. Then there's the storage of Hydrogen. Did you know that Hydrogen expands when it gets warm? To make sure the thanks don't explode, Hydrogen powered cars have to vent some gas to reduce the pressure if the car is parked in the sun for too long. Leave your car out for a few days, and the tank will be empty.

So really, really? Tell me fucking why you think Hydrogen is a better solution than plug-in electric. Come fucking on...

2MuchMark · 01-21-2014, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Look everyone, like electric cars?
Well batteries suck
Here's a better idea by Honda called the FCX Clarity
http://www.carscoops.com/2014/01/hon...ogen-fuel.html
Fill it up at a station just like gas, no emissions other than water. Running an electric motor.
This is the kind of tech we should look at, we can never run out of Hydrogen.

My god you are hopeless.

I give up.

Vendy: Just keep on voting for republican assholes. Just keep on sucking the tit of big oil and paying a fortune and a half for the energy you use. Just keep on polluting your world and choking the children. Just keep your head in the sand and dismissing all forms of real progress so you can live forever in the "good old days". Be happy my friend, be happy.

BFT3K · 01-21-2014, 11:41 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=enpmXZYc5qA

The bamboozling of America.

Vendzilla · 01-22-2014, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

or you do it like the people over here - you just borrow a trailer for the weekend

or have your stuff delivered

Why would I want to borrow a trailer when I have a truck?

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Originally Posted by **********

Wow... now you're trolling. Without traffic lights, your city would be in 24/7 gridlock and save lives. Sure they're a nuisance when you've got to get from A to B, but really man... fuck.. now you're anti traffic-light?

I never said get rid of the stop lights, read again

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Sigh... I guess you didn't read my post. Yes there's Hydrogen in water, but it is not the only source.

Allow me to school you on SCIENCE 101. Hydrogen powered cars convert Hydrogen into electriciy with something called a Fuel Cell. At first it seems like a GREAT idea because (Hey! It's electric!) and Hey Hey! It produces zero emissions except for WATER (Yes, Water comes out of the tail pipe in a Hydrogen powered car) and heat.

The Hydrogen fuel to power your car can come from water, and it can also come from Natural gas. A process called steam reformation can be used to separate the hydrogen in the gas from the carbon and is the most common way to get Hydrogen. If the point of using Hydrogen in cars is to save the earth, getting it from Natural gas is the worst possible way to do it because surprise - it ads CO2 and other crap to the atmosphere.

By the time Hydrogen is put into your tank the cost to you is almost the same as regular gas too, not including the cost of the carbon footprint.

Besides that, the cost is high. You need the cars to run on them, and you need the infrastructure to fuel them as I said earlier. The cars are very expensive - over $100,000 right now. Then there's the storage of Hydrogen. Did you know that Hydrogen expands when it gets warm? To make sure the thanks don't explode, Hydrogen powered cars have to vent some gas to reduce the pressure if the car is parked in the sun for too long. Leave your car out for a few days, and the tank will be empty.

So really, really? Tell me fucking why you think Hydrogen is a better solution than plug-in electric. Come fucking on...

So wait, you are telling me there is a bad way to produce it and a good way to produce it and you are telling me we are stuck with the bad way?

Come on, earlier you told me you could make it. Yes it has challenges, but so does everything else. If you used electricity to make hydrogen from clean energy, then stored it for use. Yes it expands, so does gasoline, you knew that didn't you?
They have working models of cars that are not tethered to electric plugs that don't need a battery that have a range of over 200 miles that are cleaner than anything else on the road and you think it's not worth the time to look at?

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Originally Posted by **********

My god you are hopeless.

I give up.

Vendy: Just keep on voting for republican assholes. Just keep on sucking the tit of big oil and paying a fortune and a half for the energy you use. Just keep on polluting your world and choking the children. Just keep your head in the sand and dismissing all forms of real progress so you can live forever in the "good old days". Be happy my friend, be happy.

Wait, I bring up a car that has zero emission and somehow your twisted mind thinks I want to pollute the world, get a fucking grip!

Just because I think Obama is a shit for a president, don't think you know how I vote. I'm not republican. Under Obama the cost of gas has skyrocketed. But you want to blame the republicans for that? Pull your head out of your ass!

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

https://youtube.com/watch?v=enpmXZYc5qA

The bamboozling of America.

I see a bunch of holes in that, I watched an episode of top gear and they love the new tech. James Mays drove it, he really liked the idea.

Mickey_ · 01-22-2014, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Why would I want to borrow a trailer when I have a truck?

His point is don't own a truck for the 20% of the time you actually do use it for the purposes it was designed for (read: "2 milk crates in the bed for grocery shopping" would not fall under "purposes it was designed for"), own a lower-emmission vehicle and rent a trailer (or similar apparatus) when you need it.

Vendzilla · 01-22-2014, 04:00 AM

Vendzilla · 01-22-2014, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mickey_

His point is don't own a truck for the 20% of the time you actually do use it for the purposes it was designed for (read: "2 milk crates in the bed for grocery shopping" would not fall under "purposes it was designed for"), own a lower-emmission vehicle and rent a trailer (or similar apparatus) when you need it.

You mean like earlier in this thread when I mentioned I have a Harley that gets a little over 40 mpg?
If you are going to comment, read first! Otherwise don't waste our time!

Vendzilla · 01-22-2014, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

or you do it like the people over here - you just borrow a trailer for the weekend

or have your stuff delivered

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