Porn sites will be free

[DVTimes]

Porn sites will be free

Its silly trying to stop people stealing your content and reposting it as your never going to stop it.

Sales are going to die due to tubes and so on.

Most (if not all) pay sites look old, while tubes look fresh.

So why not just give your content away free?

Adverts could make you more money than messing about with membership fees. Plus no need to worry about fees to credit card firms, and security on your site. Its just easer to give it away free.

Why allow tubes and all the pirate sites to make money from your content. They are giving it away for free and yet making money (probably more than you are with your membership sales).

So why not do what the tubes do and give your content away in the same way they do.

Make money from adverts or selling real items.

What sells on a free porn site?

Well if your in the uk you have lads mags which is mild porn (just topless babes). They have advertisers selling all sorts such as cars. OK, at first car firms and so on will not pay to advertise on your sites, but I am sure in time they will. This is just an example.

The pay site is dead. If you think its not, just look at how many people are shutting or trying to sell there paysites.

[LightscapeMedia]

I completely agree. I still sell my exclusive content through various outlets, but as far as running websites goes, I decided a while back to focus on making them all free and selling the advertising instead.

[Nicky]

So you think that producing exclusive content and then just charge 0 for all of the full scenes to sell some advertising is the way to go? There is a reason the free sites can make money, they don't pay for the content...

[LightscapeMedia]

Originally Posted by Nicky

So you think that producing exclusive content and then just charge 0 for all of the full scenes to sell some advertising is the way to go? There is a reason the free sites can make money, they don't pay for the content...

I've actually worked it out to where a 10-15 minute scene costs me $50 or less to shoot. The key is paying the model a flat daily fee and shooting as many scenes as I can in a day.

In my area, I can get fairly attractive girls for around $500/day. I'll go to $1000 if she's drop dead gorgeous and I gotta have her.

So yeah.. I think it's definitely do-able even when shooting your own exclusive content.

And here's the thing.. since it's free, it doesn't really have to be good.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Nicky

So you think that producing exclusive content and then just charge 0 for all of the full scenes to sell some advertising is the way to go? There is a reason the free sites can make money, they don't pay for the content...

If you have shot your content, why try to just get a few $$$ when you could get far more with adverts or promoting/selling somthing on your site.

You already have the content.

The truth is most pay sites have been giving there content away for years for free such as fhg's. Often you can see all the rude pics you want. Some sites I have wondered even before tubes came along why you would join as you had already seen al the content in the fhg's.

And we know that the result of such as fhg's is these days probably somthing like 1:1000000.

So why not make money from every visitor.

Even if it was just to put up plugrush type adverts. You would probably make more cash per person to your site than if you sold memberships.

And encourage people to steal your content and repost it (just make sure its got your web address on all the pics and vids) as this way its free advertising of your site.

What you could do is place adverts on the pics and vids (like that chap does on this site when he covers webmaster meet ups).

In truth if say a car advert was inserted at the start and middle of a porn film, that advert could probably be seen far more times than if it was put on the super bowl. I see no reason why firms may not pay you per film. It would be cheap advertising and probably more affactive and you could probably do more expensive shoots and more of them and make more cash.

[whOaKemosabe]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Porn sites will be free

Its silly trying to stop people stealing your content and reposting it as your never going to stop it.

Sales are going to die due to tubes and so on.

Most (if not all) pay sites look old, while tubes look fresh.

So why not just give your content away free?

Adverts could make you more money than messing about with membership fees. Plus no need to worry about fees to credit card firms, and security on your site. Its just easer to give it away free.

Why allow tubes and all the pirate sites to make money from your content. They are giving it away for free and yet making money (probably more than you are with your membership sales).

So why not do what the tubes do and give your content away in the same way they do.

Make money from adverts or selling real items.

What sells on a free porn site?

Well if your in the uk you have lads mags which is mild porn (just topless babes). They have advertisers selling all sorts such as cars. OK, at first car firms and so on will not pay to advertise on your sites, but I am sure in time they will. This is just an example.

The pay site is dead. If you think its not, just look at how many people are shutting or trying to sell there paysites.

ain't nobody trying to steal your stupid photos

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by whOaKemosabe

ain't nobody trying to steal your stupid photos

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by LightscapeMedia

I've actually worked it out to where a 10-15 minute scene costs me $50 or less to shoot. The key is paying the model a flat daily fee and shooting as many scenes as I can in a day.

In my area, I can get fairly attractive girls for around $500/day. I'll go to $1000 if she's drop dead gorgeous and I gotta have her.

So yeah.. I think it's definitely do-able even when shooting your own exclusive content.

And here's the thing.. since it's free, it doesn't really have to be good.

A cheap option is to shoot her doing web cam.

Put her on a free webcam site such as chaturbate and that may even not just cover the cost of the model but give you a profit plus you can use it to promote your free site. If you film her you then have the footage free to give away.

If you use chaturbate you could even have the model do cheesy adverts from time to time. You know the thing like they did in old radio shows. Every so often she stops and says I am sponsered by xxxxx.

[LightscapeMedia]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

A cheap option is to shoot her doing web cam.

Put her on a free webcam site such as chaturbate and that may even not just cover the cost of the model but give you a profit plus you can use it to promote your free site. If you film her you then have the footage free to give away.

If you use chaturbate you could even have the model do cheesy adverts from time to time. You know the thing like they did in old radio shows. Every so often she stops and says I am sponsered by xxxxx.

Oh man.. you just gave me a great idea! And I have just the girls to do it. Now shhh! Quit giving away all these ideas.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by LightscapeMedia

Oh man.. you just gave me a great idea! And I have just the girls to do it. Now shhh! Quit giving away all these ideas.

Chaturbate is very underused.

If I had the budget and time I would use it to broadcast a adult tv show.

I would get a studio set up and do a tv station and broadcast it a few hours each day.

You could to nude sports, such as girls playing darts nude.

You could get very creative.

One thing you could do is have a big banner with your sponsor on thats seen all the time. I bet done right a sponser would pay a decent amount.

Chaturbate realy is a great tool and yet is sooooo unused to what you could do with it.

[DVTimes]

One idea for a solo site is give the pics and vids away free BUT sell sex dolls of the model.

You could get some high quality life size dolls made using the best quality rubber/pvc to give the most realistic skin as well as other items from the model such as used knickers.

Think like pop music. Many bands now are starting to give the music away free. But they make a lot of cash from selling t-shirts and stuff. Just apply that.

Like bands who make money from concerts the model could make money by going to such as strip clubs and fans pay to see her for real.

[Creatine]

You realsie if everyone started creating free tubes we'd all just be competing against each other and no one would bank?

Don't try to outsmart the already fucked system.

[bronco67]

If all content was equal, maybe it could all be free.

Looking at porn subjectively as long time lover of it, I can easily say that not all content is equal. There's a pyramid of quality, and most of it is made up of the same old boring shit. The people who consistently make good stuff will always have people paying for it.

[anexsia]

It seems like all the industry does is whine about free content ;) same argument day after day after day...

[DVTimes]

You have to think this way, the paysite model is probably 15 years old now. Its old.

Many will stick to it. I know many of you reading this will give me a million reasons why free is bad. But its only like the magazine porn firms who thought that magazines was still the way and refused to move to the net.

Yes you can stick to the old membership model, and you may make a few sales, but your going to get crushed by those who move on to the free model.

In truth the membership model died 4 or so years ago.

Tubes made the free model work. They made it make them money.

Lets be honest have you joined a paysite in the last 5 years? I know I have not. I also know there is none I want to join. I go direct to xhamster these days. 8 years ago I did join sites, but today, no.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Creatine

You realsie if everyone started creating free tubes we'd all just be competing against each other and no one would bank?

Don't try to outsmart the already fucked system.

Who said you need to be a tube?

[arock10]

No money in porn

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by anexsia

It seems like all the industry does is whine about free content ;) same argument day after day after day...

I am not whining. Far from it. I find it an exciting time.

I see porn like the music biz.On xbiz

Many in the music biz still want to be paid per song and spend all there time chasing people on the net who pirate there music.

But I find the new breed exciting. They give the music away free but make money from selling promo items and concerts. They are making big cash from this.

This is what I am saying.

I just find making people pay sooooooo out of date.

On xbiz forum once chap is moaning that within 24 hours of starting his new site all his content is on 100000's of free sites and how he is now spending (wasting in my mind) time and money trying to remove his stolen content. He may as well give it away and make far more money from doing so.

In truth it amuzes me how desperate some people are to not want to change and move on.

The pay model is dead. It has been for years.

Many sites have not even been updated for years as the owners make so little that they cannot afford to shoot.

But I do find free very exciting. I love the way Chaturbate works.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by bronco67

If all content was equal, maybe it could all be free.

Looking at porn subjectively as long time lover of it, I can easily say that not all content is equal. There's a pyramid of quality, and most of it is made up of the same old boring shit. The people who consistently make good stuff will always have people paying for it.

Sorry.

But thats somthing people say. The other rubbish people say is that porn tube quality is not as good as paysites as its quality drops when made to flash format and so people will pay for the quality.

What rubbish.

People do not care about quality. They want instant release.

Besides your content is going to be on 1000000's of sites for free.

Your just kidding yourself if you think people expect to pay for porn.

But feel free to charge, and have all the problems of charge backs, % to affiliates, % to ccbill, % to visa, plus security and so on, plus all the problems will people posting your content and re-selling there passwords.

There is no reason why adverts and so on could not make you far more money.

Let me ask you a simple question, if you could make more from giving your content away than you are selling memberships, which would you do?

[LightscapeMedia]

I don't understand why you're trying to convince people. While I agree with your OP completely, why would you want to convince others? Whenever I come up with an idea, you better damn well believe I keep my mouth shut about it. Last thing I want is more people to compete with.

Loose lips sink ships.

[LightscapeMedia]

I don't think Apple went to Microsoft before they came out with the iPhone and told them the GSM market was dead and they should make a phone like the iPhone.

That wouldn't be a very good idea, now would it?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Sorry.

But thats somthing people say. The other rubbish people say is that porn tube quality is not as good as paysites as its quality drops when made to flash format and so people will pay for the quality.

What rubbish.

People do not care about quality. They want instant release.

Besides your content is going to be on 1000000's of sites for free.

Your just kidding yourself if you think people expect to pay for porn.

But feel free to charge, and have all the problems of charge backs, % to affiliates, % to ccbill, % to visa, plus security and so on, plus all the problems will people posting your content and re-selling there passwords.

There is no reason why adverts and so on could not make you far more money.

Let me ask you a simple question, if you could make more from giving your content away than you are selling memberships, which would you do?

I'm not saying people expect to pay for porn. I'm saying they will if they want something bad enough and can't find it anywhere else. That goes for any product. You're painting everyone with one broad brush, and they're not all after the same thing when they look at porn.

The kind of person who doesn't think something should be paid for probably doesn't make anything of value. So in your estimation, nobody gives a shit about quality? I'm not talking about tech quality. I mean intangibles, like something special in the way its shot, the level of hotness of the girls, the sexual intensity. So everything that's ever created will just make x dollars on advertising? I think someone who slaves and labors over any kind of art will put some kind of value on his hard work.

But the idea of a certain percentage of someone's product being free has to be good in the long run for business. If its good, it will sell the better stuff. I mean for anything, not just porn.

[The Porn Nerd]

The OP is a bit of a negative Nellie, isn't she?

[LucyVanAngel]

Interesting thread and nice ideas. Will definatively consider realizing some of the above inputs.

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Porn sites will be free

Its silly trying to stop people stealing your content and reposting it as your never going to stop it.

Sales are going to die due to tubes and so on.

Most (if not all) pay sites look old, while tubes look fresh.

So why not just give your content away free?

Adverts could make you more money than messing about with membership fees. Plus no need to worry about fees to credit card firms, and security on your site. Its just easer to give it away free.

Why allow tubes and all the pirate sites to make money from your content. They are giving it away for free and yet making money (probably more than you are with your membership sales).

So why not do what the tubes do and give your content away in the same way they do.

Make money from adverts or selling real items.

What sells on a free porn site?

Well if your in the uk you have lads mags which is mild porn (just topless babes). They have advertisers selling all sorts such as cars. OK, at first car firms and so on will not pay to advertise on your sites, but I am sure in time they will. This is just an example.

The pay site is dead. If you think its not, just look at how many people are shutting or trying to sell there paysites.

[Pronstar]

Wait till king hears about this...

[adultchatpay]

porn was always free

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

If you have shot your content, why try to just get a few $$$ when you could get far more with adverts or promoting/selling somthing on your site.

You forget one thing: traffic! When paysites turn into free sites all affiliates will pull links...
Now where's the traffic you need for making money on ads? We all know who has the topspots in google. You'll need a lot of traffic to make money on ads only.

Originally Posted by DVTimes

You already have the content.

The truth is most pay sites have been giving there content away for years for free such as fhg's. Often you can see all the rude pics you want. Some sites I have wondered even before tubes came along why you would join as you had already seen al the content in the fhg's.

And we know that the result of such as fhg's is these days probably somthing like 1:1000000.

You have been miss-informed. My most selling affiliates send traffic from their tgp's to my fhg's... They have best traffic. Tube traffic? hahaha waste of bandwith...

Originally Posted by DVTimes

So why not make money from every visitor.

Even if it was just to put up plugrush type adverts. You would probably make more cash per person to your site than if you sold memberships..

Again... from what traffic?

And no... paysites are not dead. Can people please stop spreading that bullshit?
People that can not survive anymore in this climate: please stop speaking for others;
Please stop pissing vinegar on this board and get a job!

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Poo is very underused...

If I had the budget and time I would use it to broadcast a adult tv show.

I would get a studio set up and do a tv station and broadcast it a few hours each day.

You could do hard sports, such as girls playing with their poo...

You could get very creative....

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

The pay site is dead. If you think its not, just look at how many people are shutting or trying to sell there paysites.

Yes a lot of them should close... good for all updating quality products out there...
Let all garbage sink to the bottom of the ocean...

[JockoHomo]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

If you have shot your content, why try to just get a few $$$ when you could get far more with adverts or promoting/selling somthing on your site.

You already have the content.

The truth is most pay sites have been giving there content away for years for free such as fhg's. Often you can see all the rude pics you want. Some sites I have wondered even before tubes came along why you would join as you had already seen al the content in the fhg's.

And we know that the result of such as fhg's is these days probably somthing like 1:1000000.

So why not make money from every visitor.

Even if it was just to put up plugrush type adverts. You would probably make more cash per person to your site than if you sold memberships.

And encourage people to steal your content and repost it (just make sure its got your web address on all the pics and vids) as this way its free advertising of your site.

What you could do is place adverts on the pics and vids (like that chap does on this site when he covers webmaster meet ups).

In truth if say a car advert was inserted at the start and middle of a porn film, that advert could probably be seen far more times than if it was put on the super bowl. I see no reason why firms may not pay you per film. It would be cheap advertising and probably more affactive and you could probably do more expensive shoots and more of them and make more cash.

I have read a lot of horse shit on this site (most of which I have posted) but this stupid fucked up rambling crap is simply to moronic to ignore.

Your idea would only work for a small limited number of super porn sites on the level of Hustler or Playboy.

For the average (average being vast majority) this is not a feasible or sustainable business model.

Giving away a product that makes money to create only works if the cost of production is lower than income generated. Do you really think that most of the cheap stinking asshole who is looking for free porn actually buys anything else? NO

Do you actually think that Ford is going advertise on any actual porn sites with the exception of Playboy perhaps? NO

Sure, free porn is fine with you want stolen or poorly produce shit. Most free porn consumers are happy with that since they are probably happy eating at McDonald's (and consider that fine dining as well)!

They average free porn consumer probably doesn't have a lot of disposable income being underemployed (if their cheap ass works at all) and is using their mommy and daddy's wifi to surf for that free porn while living in the basement of their parents home.

What a load of rubbish. Let me know how that works out for you.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by LightscapeMedia

I've actually worked it out to where a 10-15 minute scene costs me $50 or less to shoot. The key is paying the model a flat daily fee and shooting as many scenes as I can in a day.

In my area, I can get fairly attractive girls for around $500/day. I'll go to $1000 if she's drop dead gorgeous and I gotta have her.

So yeah.. I think it's definitely do-able even when shooting your own exclusive content.

And here's the thing.. since it's free, it doesn't really have to be good.

So let's say you shoot for $500 a day 20 day's a month, you get 10 new scenes daily to update your free site with. Those 10 10min clips daily are supposed to draw enough traffic to sell advertising, dating, cams and toys etc for $10k a month. To make a profit you would probably need to sell for $20k+ a month. Let me know how that works out for you.

Also this is "fairly attractive" low-end solo content.

[baccybandit]

OP has a point

have another think here...

we have html5 coming around the corner.

if you have a good hard look at that then this could be exceptionally profitable

you have regular vistors going to your site spending large amounts of time on each page.

This is from an outsiders view point, but come on the adult industry use to be the for front of the online game and now people are just squabbling amongst themselves.

[signupdamnit]

You have a point but you are missing something. Why produce any content in the first place when you can just steal it and do the same thing? The conditions which caused the demise of the legacy paysite was not "free porn" but rather stolen porn. There is a big difference. Brazzers didn't close their paysites back in 2008 and start publishing the full scenes on their tubes for free. No! They allowed others content to be stolen and profited. See the difference?

So why should anyone make any content anymore when they can just steal it and do all of the same things with it?

[NIGHTWISH99]

This discussion shows more and more....THE INDUSTRY IS DYING.

[ilnjscb]

it isn't the concept - the problem is it is very difficult to execute. If you put scenes on tubes you get lots of views, but even if you trumpet "see the rest of this scene for free" you will get 1:50 clickthrus and like 1:10000 converts, according to everyone on here.

Even if you do get a crap ton of views, monetizing requires big volume, like 1m month or 10m if you want to make dough. Come on here and announce that you have verifiable 10m/month with a good bounce rate and someone will pop up to hold your hand. You need 6bil views on tubes a year to get that. How many scenes is that?

To give you an idea, a shitty scene on youporn will get maybe 1500 views. A really good one will get 300,000. If you are an expert submitter you might get to 1m per scene without being a houseboi for the tubes and paying them money.

Can you afford to put out 6000 fresh good scenes? If so maybe you can make big dough. I'd rather buy a McDonalds that returns 30%.

Also, cheap ass solo stuff may cost 50/scene but hardcore does not.

Correct me on any of this please. It would be great if this model worked.

[adultmobile]

The black knight here is firmly against tubes: tubes shall no pass:

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by NIGHTWISH99

This discussion shows more and more....THE INDUSTRY IS DYING.

its not dying

its just moving from pay to free

[JockoHomo]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

its not dying

its just moving from pay to free

Say it often enough and you will start to believe it.

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by JockoHomo

Say it often enough and you will start to believe it.

[Bourke]

tell you what wouj. You go do that full time for 6 months. Then show us what you earned.

Until you have done something worthwhile, something that you have proven to work through experience, you should probably stop giving people advice.

[USA]

I completely agree.

[iwantchixx]

If everyone did that, there would be nothing to up-sell to except cams and dating..

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

its not dying

its just moving from pay to free

Well there is still an industry, yes. But it's really hard to believe that dating and cams made up for the lost revenue in paysites. For a decade paysites were the bread and butter of adult. Now they are mostly dying.

[iwantchixx]

Yes, the paysite model is a minified breed but will always be around. Always. People will always buy porn. Period.

Sell something unique and specific. Something that people enjoy and are actively seeking out that only you can provide consistently and of high quality. A surfer comes across your site, chances are they will want to be a member. Don't build a product that's saturated in the free market. If you do, make it unique. Something that gives your product twice the value that customers NEED to have that the competing free content cannot offer. Keep tight reigns on your content. Sure, tube leaks happen but so be it... Keep a DCMA team on retainer and be actively involved in securing your videos and seeking out infringers. Offer stream-only. Do anything that keeps your site unique, fresh, for-members-only and stay atop of tech for your users.

Promote the literal fuck out of your site on every platform you can think of in a way that benefits the viewers, the platform and yourself. Repeat, repeat and repeat.

Yes, hard work. Lots of it.

There's no make-rich and dodge tube/content woes button on our desks but paysites can and still do make money.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

If everyone did that, there would be nothing to up-sell to except cams and dating..

as i said if you sell physical things or adverts.

ok, at the moment big firms would probably not want to advertise on porn sites, but i think soon they will. it just takes one firm to take the plunge and i suspect they would get better results per $ than advertising on any other medium. and once one does it, they all will.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Well there is still an industry, yes. But it's really hard to believe that dating and cams made up for the lost revenue in paysites. For a decade paysites were the bread and butter of adult. Now they are mostly dying.

and dating and cam sites now use the free model.

what are the biggest earning sites? google, facebook and so on. they are free. they use the free model. yes, facbook could charge membership, but it sticks to free.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Yes, the paysite model is a minified breed but will always be around. Always. People will always buy porn. Period.

People will always buy porn?

realy?

what is your evidence?

if that was true then porn mag sales would still be doing well and so would blu-ray porn films.

people are not bying porn. they get it free.

have you not seen sites such as xhamster? the people who run that sites must wet themselves knowing you will not change. they want you to stick to the pay membership model as more you do the more they make $$$$$.

in the last few years i have been given passwords to check peoples sites out. do you know what, i could not even be bothered. i could not be bothered looking at the site even with free passwords. do you know how i looked at the sites content? i just went to xhamster, it was quicker and easer.

[AlexFS]

For a moment had forgotten why I never visit GFY anymore.. and topics like these are the very reason.

[LightscapeMedia]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

If everyone did that, there would be nothing to up-sell to except cams and dating..

And tangible items like sex toys, condoms, etc