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TheSquealer

I'm finding myself increasingly fascinated with this guy. He seems to be a 50 year old functioning at the level of a 12 year old. Starting to really wonder why and what's going on in his head.

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Grapesoda

fact: if the stories weren't good the bible would not be around today

Robbie

Well, if you read my posts then you know why I think it is around.

But, hey...if you think people just love to read it because of the great stories and that's why it's still "around", that's your opinion.

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rogueteens

but crucially, there are no documents that say that his life was a myth from around that time either. other religions of that time period do not say that he never existed, instead they try to discredit him as a charlatan or a magician.

I watch a documentary a few months back that was very interesting. apparently around that time there was dozens of men wandering around the middle east each with their own followers and each with their "miracles" (apparently one of them, who's name I have forgotten now, was really popular and it was a close call that we could have ended up worshiping him instead.) anyway, the documentary goes on to say that over time the myths of each of those men slowly started being attributed to an ever shrinking group of prophets until there was one man left who's life story absorbed the myths of all of his contemporaries - Jesus.

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heh - "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler also was printed millions of times

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Mutt

If somebody does function at the level of a 12 year old it's not as interesting as 'crazy'. I have a family member who because of problems at birth, an extreme premature birth, does function intellectually at a 3rd grade level. They cover it up well with strangers and co-workers, by being self aware enough not to get into discussions about things that they know are beyond their capabilities to discuss intelligently.

"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

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TheSquealer

That raises the troubling question "what is crazy?". There are a lot of people on here who's thinking is quite twisted. The difference between "crazy" and "not" as least as far as perceptions are concerned is whether or not they follow their bizarre logic to its conclusion or cross that very thin line and act.

Most psychopaths are well functioning people. Most psychopaths with below average IQs aren't.

SilentKnight

Can a creationist kindly point me to the Biblical chapter that explains 500-million year old fossils.

In today's headlines:

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/scientists...park-1.1680819

DamianJ

https://youtube.com/user/clownx2009

he's just batshit mental

SilentKnight

Really enjoyed the musical.

ColBigBalls

Which one?

TheSquealer

Arguably less so than one who would spend their time stalking him.

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TNVeric

Well if you believe that the Bible is the word of god then you are without a doubt in the wrong industry.

I personally believe we are on our own but there is one verse from John (8:7) that completely captivated me when I read it. So simple yet encompassing.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Love that.

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NEW XTC

wow - best quote Ive read in years - maybe ever...its goin in my sig

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Lykos

Simply no....

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Mutt

'Dumb' crazy isn't very interesting, more comical and sad to watch somebody with low intellect attempt to make sense of the world and contribute to it.

Intelligent psychopaths/sociopaths are very interesting, brilliant ones are fascinating and scary.

The real 'crazy', people who live in a very different reality than the rest of us, only interest me from a neurological point of view. Their wiring is all off, I don't believe schizophrenia has much to do or anything to do with how somebody was raised - though haven't done any reading on it so have no idea what experts say today about the disorder.

Sad that there are 8 billion neurons in the brain, most unmapped, and we have doctors pretending to understand all these psychiatric disorders. We have barely scratched the surface of a decent understanding of the brain.

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stickyfingerz

Dusty makes it fun to learn. lol

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Mutt

I don't agree, there's nothing in the Old Testament that makes nudity or heterosexual sex a sin, what's very immoral according to the Bible is fucking another man's wife or homosexuality. It's pro sex, as freaky as you want to get between a consenting couple, it commands that you have a duty to please each other, if your wife wants to piss on you then you must indulge her kinky desires.

No surprise that the Jews play a big part in the porn industry, the Bible is filled with sex.

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TheSquealer

I think "dumb crazy" is far worse as a problem. The prisons are full of "dumb crazy". Bikers, gang bangers, cartel/mafia, murderers etc.

I'm not worried much about a rare Silence of the Lambs personality that understands he's broken. Though serial killers are often psychopaths and highly intelligent, they are a very tiny part of the problem, no matter how much entertainment value they offer. The problem to me is the guy that is broken and doesn't understand he's broken. Cam_girls was a great example of that. "Medication doesn't help schizophrenia when the voices are real" as he actually said.

Intelligent sociopaths are everywhere. They are all around us. They are running companies, practicing law, ruling Wall Street etc. The US now leads the way in the growth of sociopathy. 1 in 25 people and getting worse. A shitty thing to mix with a culture that's all "me, me, me, me"

I think every aspect of who we are is a complex mix of genetics and environment/experience. And "reality" itself is very very subjective. Moreso than we accept or want to believe because we are wired to look at others as being "normal" and "like us". We are wired to assume that people think the way we think, see things the way we do etc. We can't imagine what its like to be a sociopath. We can't imagine what its like to watch a puppy get put into a microwave and not feel anything at all... we can't imagine it. This is why we are surrounded by crazy people and do not often realize it. We rarely see them for what they are.

Brain scanning technologies are making quantum leaps constantly. I think we understand a great deal and of course there is a long way to go. Peoples wiring is in large part, unique not only to them, but to them in that particular point in time.. as the neural plasticity of the brain is constantly wiring and unwiring neural connections. This, among many other reasons, is why you can't really use brain scans effectively as evidence in court. Regardless of the visible deficiency, lesion, damage etc, too much is unique to the individual.

I actually just read Connectome not too long ago, which is about the idea of mapping out an entire brain and all its neural connections.

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Mutt

Yes I'm going to believe 'Dusty' from YouTube over Flavius Josephus one of the first and greatest historians in human history. Jesus most likely existed, the details of his life and death who knows.

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Mutt

Didn't Obama commit to the project to map out the entire brain? We don't have the computing power they say right now to do it but we can start and computing power will increase.

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it's lookin like bacteria may be the root cause for just about all of it (psychiatric disorders) - including autism...

Even diseases that have long considered to have a genetic component (Hereditary) are beginning to look more and more bacterial and the genes only factor in as a predisposition.

this is new school shit - you wont hear any of this from the scammers AMA or CDC.

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bronco67

I believe there is a bible, and that's about as far as it goes.

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more and more hard core religious studies academics are coming around to the opinion that Jesus most likely did NOT exist...

there is no reason to believe that a life that is so extensively fictionalized ever even happened.

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Mutt

It's very subjective to call those type of people 'sociopaths', unethical, extremely selfish - in short, maybe they're just garden variety assholes.

People call Hitler a sociopath, I'm not sure of that, we seem to have a need to ascribe a mental disorder to everybody who does evil things. Then again as you've posted before the work of Gazzaniga, how much free will we have is now up for scientific debate and as we learn more about the brain maybe we'll find out we have much less than we think we do and Hitler was just an oddity, the wrong idiot in the right place and right time to fulfill his destiny.

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stickyfingerz

He discusses Josephus. Maybe watch it first.

stickyfingerz

Maybe give this page a read.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-etal.html

Mutt

Well for ages stomach ulcers were believed by doctors to be caused by stress and treated that way until it was discovered a strain of bacteria causes them.

Current research in IBS, Irritable Bowel Disorder, also long thought to be of some stress/neurotic origin is pointing towards physical causes between the gut and brain, running in both directions, as the culprit.

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TheSquealer

I don't know about "subjective". I see these people everywhere. I think Psychologist Martha Stout puts it best in describing a sociopath for simplicity, as someone not bound by conscience based emotions (regret, embarrassment, remorse, empathy, sympathy etc). The diagnostic criteria is tricky and between sociopathy, psycopathy and anti social personality disorders, very much overlapping and confusing and sometimes conflicting.

Really it comes down to an individual assessment of course, but the current numbers are pretty staggering.. even the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders puts it well into the millions.

These are often the people who excel. Think about "conscience based emotions" and what it means to have zero regret, remorse, empathy, sympathy, embarrassment etc. These people are very often the charismatic public figures all around us. They are in the military. I am sure some are scout snipers. These people are the stock brokers bilking old people for millions. They are the attorneys, sitting in a room, lying about anything claiming to fight for justice, but really just playing a game to win. They are the people who can manipulate others to invest in scams. They are the lazy cousin who is 36 and still living with his parents, still fucking up, still borrowing money from them, still saying he's got a job interview next week.

Why we don't readily see them for what they are, is because they have learned intuitively to fake emotional responses they observed to be socially acceptable. We see an appropriate response and thats often good enough... until we actually see a much broader pattern forming.

Think about this industry. How many millionaires are there from this industry alone who did very hard to understand things like all the fraud, theft etc etc etc and got wealthy from it.

Why didn't everyone else do the same?

Because we had those emotional responses they didn't. You and i stopped to think "thats wrong", "what if i get caught", "aren't these people getting fucked?". They didn't. In fact, they think you are silly and handicapping yourself for having those inhibiting emotions.

Sociopathy doesn't have to have anything to do with violence. I don't know what Hitlers problem was. I don't think there is a sound argument that mental disorders did not play a role in his behavior. Again, genetics, environment/experience all come into play in a very complex interaction of countless factors of varying weights, so to your point, its not entirely accurate to over simplify it with a single label. That tendency is actually a function of the brain and lies within the region that helps identify/interpret and attribute causality. It is behind the tendency that drives us to see answers as being simple black and white, right or wrong answers as those are really all that matters to issues pertaining to survival. touch the fire... get burned... therefore, touch fire = get burned.

As for the argument of Free Will... that's quite fascinating as well. I don't think it will go to a place anyone will like. It's already very certain that our understanding of what we believe to be "free will" and an act of conscious volition is deeply flawed and largely an illusion. After all, the simple fact is that conscious awareness is "after the fact"... meaning it comes only after unconscious mental processes have had their way, after the input has been filtered and distorted. Anything that arises to conscious awareness has already passed through endless unconscious mental processes. We do things and tell ourselves "see, i'm in charge"... but we have no real idea of what led up to us doing those things in terms of unconscious processing as the conscious mind has no access to those other processes. Gazaniggas discovery was probably the most fascinating of all... that we constantly lie about nearly everything we experience to escape burning calories thinking about it.

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Mutt

Here's what I don't understand, you respond to a lot of posts by people who are failing at this business and some at life in general, you analyze them and explain how successful people become successful, implying that these people are largely responsible for their failures. Yet on the other hand you suggest that our brains are working away subconsciously making many of our decisions for us without us really in command. So perhaps many people who fail in life to a significant degree are just being betrayed by their own brains over which they don't have much control.

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TheSquealer

I'd say that's fairly accurate to a degree.

Though i am not saying we don't have any control over our actions, i am saying that we have often live in an illusion that we are exercising volitional control when we aren't. We just sort of roll with it. We say "i just figured it out!" when in fact, we might have been thinking about it unconsciously for months. We might have read the answer yesterday and it just didn't really register consciously and was instantly deleted from short term memory but made it to our explicit memory for later recollection. Meaning that "i just did it" moment isn't real. It's a lie and really just an illusion.

To use social psychologist Jonathan Haidts analogy of the division between the conscious mind and unconscious brain, it is like an elephant and a rider. The rider, is very quick to tell you all about the elephant, what he's doing, why he's acting that way and can easily explain away all of his behavior. Of course the elephant is an elephant. The rider has no idea whats going on in the elephants brain, as he has very little access to it, relying only on what is an imperfect understanding of what is observed. In reality, the elephant does what it wants to do and the rider is really just a White House Press Secretary trying to spin answers to questions he really doesn't know the answer to.

Though we all live in a sort of illusion of volition, we do also have a say in the relationship between the elephant and the rider. It can be improved. It can be strengthened and they can always learn to better work together. New things can be learned and applied and new habits can be formed.

You can choose to do things. You can choose to work hard. You can choose to learn. You can choose to apply what you've learned. You can choose to be more diligent and organized. You can choose to tame the elephant and improve the relationship between elephant and rider.

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Robbie

Everybody who "believes" in "Jesus" should watch that short video.

And then watch Bill Maher's "Religilous" movie.

And then you will ask yourself (like I did): "How did I ever fall for this shit?"

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Bryan G

The bible lol. Any adult that believes in that needs to have their head checked.

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oppoten

I never knew about that. I used to keep up with this stuff, until life got in the way.

Seems like a beacon of hope.

Robbie

Come on! What is this "Bacteria" you speak of???

Everybody knows that those people are possessed by Demons! Just get an exorcist to come in and say some words in Latin and it will be cast out!

You just gotta have "faith".

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stickyfingerz

Haha I know right? People are always like.. "Why are you so passionate about dispelling people's beliefs?" and I'm like.. Cause once I found out I wished someone had made me fucking take a few hours and actually research this shit. Because once you realize you were in an indoctrinated fog along with most of the world... you get pissed off. lol

But ya people that think there is any actual record of Jesus need to research more. I ordered a LOGIC shirt of Dusty bit ago hoping it shows up soon.

Hope you and Claudia are doing well. Been awhile since we have hung out. Moving to CO in about a month so I'll be more likely to be in Vegas a bit more have to get together when I'm in town.

Simon

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