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JFK · 02-13-2014, 02:57 PM

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dyna mo · 02-13-2014, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

I am not missing the point. You think the moral of the story is that you should not act like an idiot if you dont want to get shot. I think that is a ridiculous position.

Who decides what is offensive ?,who decides what level of cunty behavour deserves the death penalty ? Does this apply to internet trolls and insults dished out on forums ?

We all get along just fine in places where shooting those that offend you is not an option. People rub each other up the wrong way all the time, nobody dies.

You're responsible for yourself. me for me. I choose not to put my life in other's hands and handle myself appropriately when out in public. I live in downtown Los Angeles, I walk past absolutely complete psychoS, plural, on a daily basis. Yelling, screaming, flipping out, etc, I know better than to ask them to knock it off.

Just a couple months ago, a dude got rude with another dude at the local tiddy bar, the argument escalated further out in the parking lot and one dude hopped in his car and drove into the other, pinning him against the concrete wall. That guy now has no legs. No guns involved.

dyna mo · 02-13-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

Who decides what is offensive ?,who decides what level of cunty behavour deserves the death penalty ?

Obviously, the most deranged one decides what's offensive, that's what in fact happened. And that's exactly what happened in both situations. The psychos decided what's offensive and what deserves the death penalty.

The point you are missing- the other guys are dead now.

I choose to not let the psychos decide if I live or die.

L-Pink · 02-13-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

I am not missing the point. You think the moral of the story is that you should not act like an idiot if you dont want to get shot. I think that is a ridiculous position.

Who decides what is offensive ?,who decides what level of cunty behavour deserves the death penalty ? Does this apply to internet trolls and insults dished out on forums ?

We all get along just fine in places where shooting those that offend you is not an option. People rub each other up the wrong way all the time, nobody dies.

You must live in Disney World. Almost every day I enter areas where my personal behavior determines what happens next.

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GregE · 02-13-2014, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

With regards to not acting like an idiot and you wont get shot; acting like an idiot does not give anyone the right to shoot you.

No more than leaving your vehicle unlocked on a dark city street gives anyone the right to steal it.

It sure has a way of diminishing your odds of enjoying a happy outcome though

L-Pink · 02-13-2014, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

I choose to not let the psychos decide if I live or die.

Why does everyone think we're taking a "pro gun" stance here when it's the exact opposite?

blackmonsters · 02-13-2014, 03:34 PM

All this debate over a gun carrying thug that hates "that music" so bad that he committed a murder is just a way to avoid calling him a thug.

Sly · 02-13-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

You must live in Disney World. Almost every day I enter areas where my personal behavior determines what happens next.

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Every interaction I have with a human being, or even animal, highly influences what happens next. A dangerous environment does not need to exist. It's very simple. What you say, what you do, impacts what happens next.

dyna mo · 02-13-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why does everyone think we're taking a "pro gun" stance here when it's the exact opposite?

I tried to answer this, after several attempts to reply with different answers, I am giving up.

I have no idea!

beerptrol · 02-13-2014, 03:47 PM

Next people with peanut butter allergies are gonna shoot the man who comes near them with a jar of peanut butter because they were afraid for their lives.
Heaven forbid if someone sits next to them at the theater with a pack of peanut butter snack crackers

Rochard · 02-13-2014, 04:01 PM

Martin was killed because he liked skittles. This kid was killed because he liked music. It's okay to hate.

L-Pink · 02-13-2014, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tittytweaker

There's even an enhanced version of the video that shows that Oulson threw his cellphone at him as well, and that when that struck him, that's when Reeves thought he was starting to throw punches.

I'm a pretty left leaning guy. And I hate to use the term "anti-gun agenda" because it sounds so ridiculous, but I don't know how else to describe what's been going on lately with all these gun stories.

The movie theater incident, to me, seemed like a pretty clear case of some yuppie douche bag getting his shorts in a twist and wanting to play tough guy after Reeves complained to the management.

The younger guy was a hothead who escalated a non issue. He felt like the tougher individual because he was up against an old man. -THAT- is scarier, to me, than the idea that the old guy felt the need to shoot.

Just curious, what's the local coverage been like when compared to the national news?

Most local coverage has shown the actual video, https://youtube.com/watch?v=oKE8LN9PP0k , so many times that the question is why the young guy was so enraged with someone 30 years his senior. Which is something Florida's aging population watches closely. I'm sure most national news just says a texter got shot by an ex-cop.

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directfiesta · 02-13-2014, 04:24 PM

Dunn shot 10 rounds,,,,

jmcb420 · 02-13-2014, 04:49 PM

Our society often makes people snap. That's all there is to it. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it happens.

You never know when or where it will happen. That's why it should behoove one to not be the person most likely to blown away by the guy who finally snapped.

I don't think people should live in fear, but it's a matter of common sense. If you're going out of your way to attract attention to yourself, or acting in an inappropriate manner, you're asking to be the target IF the shit hits the fan.

dyna mo · 02-13-2014, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcb420

Our society often makes people snap. That's all there is to it. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it happens.

You never know when or where it will happen. That's why it should behoove one to not be the person most likely to blown away by the guy who finally snapped.

I don't think people should live in fear, but it's a matter of common sense. If you're going out of your way to attract attention to yourself, or acting in an inappropriate manner, you're asking to be the target IF the shit hits the fan.

JosephFM · 02-13-2014, 05:12 PM

One should always be courteous around others. If one acts like an ass one might get fucked like an ass.

escorpio · 02-13-2014, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Martin was killed because he liked skittles.

Martin was killed because he physically attacked a man with a gun. Skittles didn't have a fucking thing to do with it.

Just Alex · 02-13-2014, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

What's sad is that the "stand your ground" law is invoked more often by black shooters that shoot other black people.... and yet the OP NEVER posts any of those cases.

"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense.

Those who conclude the law is racially biased point to data compiled by the Tampa Bay Tribune, which collected 112 cases where people charged with murder relied on Florida's stand your ground law, from the first cases in 2006 to July 24 of this year. The Tribune's "shocking" claim: 72 percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

But this doesn't tell the whole story as blacks are overwhelmingly killed by other blacks. Thus, it is also true that blacks claiming self-defense under the stand your ground law are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. About 69 percent of blacks raising the stand your Ground defense were not convicted compared to 62 percent of whites.

If blacks are supposedly being discriminated against because their killers so often are not facing any penalty, it must also follow that they are being discriminated in favor of when blacks who invoke a stand your ground defense are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. Those who interpret the data as evidence of racism are cherry-picking numbers.

Simple averages also missed important differences in these cases. The Tribune data shows blacks killed in these confrontations were 13 percentage points more likely to be armed than whites. This suggests that those claiming that they were defending themselves often reasonably believed that they had little choice but to kill their attacker.

By a 43 to 16 percent margin, the blacks killed were also more often in the process of committing a crime."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ground-defense

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Statistics are racist

escorpio · 02-18-2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Im not talking about this dude. In general how do you get those mother fuckers to shut up?
My cousin has has one of those dining movie theaters and its great. Keeps them out because you have to buy $30 worth of food and drinks.

If he doesn't let Jamal and Sharonda use their EBT card to buy food and drinks he's a racist!

Vendzilla · 02-18-2014, 10:15 AM

tony286 · 02-18-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Its just a tool but with that tool people are alot braver then they would be without it. Also I bounced for 10 yrs saw lots of fights no one was ever killed. Now they make it legal to carry a gun everywhere with a get out of free I was scared for my life defense= lots of dead people.

sperbonzo · 02-18-2014, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Its just a tool but with that tool people are alot braver then they would be without it. Also I bounced for 10 yrs saw lots of fights no one was ever killed. Now they make it legal to carry a gun everywhere with a get out of free I was scared for my life defense= lots of dead people.

Your IDEA sounds about right...... except for the actual FACTS about the states with more legal gun-carrying people having LOWER crime rates than the states with tough gun laws.... and the FACT that since Right-To-Carry laws started to sweep across the country, murder rates have dropped in every state where they were passed almost immediately, and have stayed down.

So other than the actual real life numbers of what actually happened, your idea sounds perfectly valid.

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C H R I S · 02-18-2014, 03:02 PM

We need to get you an Vendzilla in a locked room for 48 hours.

Whoever comes out alive wins.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 02-18-2014, 03:08 PM

I wonder if they have loud music in jail...

In any case, I'm sure that many people in jail will want to have a little talk with Mr Dunn about some of the past comments that he has written, when he joins them:

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?The jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs. This may sound a bit radical but if more people would arm themselves and kill these (expletive) idiots, when they?re threatening you, eventually they may take the hint and change their behavior.?

I wonder after his experience and probable 60-year sentence (effectively a life sentence), will Michael Dunn and other racists take the hint and change their behavior.

ADG

Cherry7 · 02-18-2014, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Your IDEA sounds about right...... except for the actual FACTS about the states with more legal gun-carrying people having LOWER crime rates than the states with tough gun laws.... and the FACT that since Right-To-Carry laws started to sweep across the country, murder rates have dropped in every state where they were passed almost immediately, and have stayed down.

So other than the actual real life numbers of what actually happened, your idea sounds perfectly valid.

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Just ignore all the International evidence. By your logic the most dangerous place in the world should be Sweden.

sperbonzo · 02-18-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Just ignore all the International evidence. By your logic the most dangerous place in the world should be Sweden.

And by YOUR logic the most dangerous place should be Switzerland. They have the highest rate of "assault weapon" ownership in the world and according to my Swiss friends, only about 25 to 40% of the guns are even officially registered.

The fully supported facts that I was quoting are about the USA. Each country is different.

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Penny24Seven · 02-18-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Martin was killed because he liked skittles. This kid was killed because he liked music. It's okay to hate.

no Martin wanted to get high and needed the skittles so if you say it like that then Martin died because he wanted to get high

crockett · 02-18-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Your IDEA sounds about right...... except for the actual FACTS about the states with more legal gun-carrying people having LOWER crime rates than the states with tough gun laws.... and the FACT that since Right-To-Carry laws started to sweep across the country, murder rates have dropped in every state where they were passed almost immediately, and have stayed down.

So other than the actual real life numbers of what actually happened, your idea sounds perfectly valid.

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That is a very flawed argument. FL has easy access to guns.. In fact I just bought a pistol literally 45 mins ago from another private party. It's not hard to get a carry permit either, yet every day on the news in central FL it's non stop, this person was shot, this house was robbed. Home invasion here yadda yadda..

Texas is yet another place with easy access to guns but go have a look at the murder stats for Dallas/Fort Worth.. Hell they had The First 48 based out of Dallas for at least one season.

People can legally carry guns in both places but in inner cities specially big ones with a lot of low income wages, it's gonna have a lot of crime. People owning legal guns doesn't stop it.

Sure out in Tim buck two.. Nowhereville there might not be much crime and lots of people might own guns, but that's not the reason there is less crime. It's because there isn't as much population shoved into the same tiny spaces.

tony286 · 02-18-2014, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Your IDEA sounds about right...... except for the actual FACTS about the states with more legal gun-carrying people having LOWER crime rates than the states with tough gun laws.... and the FACT that since Right-To-Carry laws started to sweep across the country, murder rates have dropped in every state where they were passed almost immediately, and have stayed down.

So other than the actual real life numbers of what actually happened, your idea sounds perfectly valid.

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Tell that to the little girl without a father or the wife of the senile old man who got shot or the parents of the kid playing loud music. In Ga they just made it legal to carry in bars, big fun.

escorpio · 02-18-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

In Ga they just made it legal to carry in bars, big fun.

YEEEE HAWWWW!!!!

what the fuck are you lookin' at?

Sly · 02-18-2014, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Tell that to the little girl without a father or the wife of the senile old man who got shot or the parents of the kid playing loud music. In Ga they just made it legal to carry in bars, big fun.

Two tragic, isolated incidences against stats that represent the whole populace.

Yeah, okay then.

crockett · 02-18-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Two tragic, isolated incidences against stats that represent the whole populace.

Yeah, okay then.

No it's FL.. I shit you not when I say there are shootings like this every damn day. They somehow manage to keep how bad it is out of the national media because it would kill tourism and Disney wouldn't like that much less all the other tourist traps.

Just look at the breaking news section from the Orlando Sentinel.. right at this moment there are 11 different shootings listed not including a article about Zimerman and the movie theater guy. It's almost daily arguments that turned to shootings, robberies with shootings either in aggression or defense, home invasions, car jacking a ect..ect..

The Zimmerman shooting and this movie theater guy would of been just another day had the national media not gotten ahold of it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/

GregE · 02-18-2014, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Most local coverage has shown the actual video, https://youtube.com/watch?v=oKE8LN9PP0k , so many times that the question is why the young guy was so enraged with someone 30 years his senior. Which is something Florida's aging population watches closely. I'm sure most national news just says a texter got shot by an ex-cop.

I've seen that video too and as tragic and senseless as the movie theater slaying was, I gotta ask what did the texter actually think was going to happen after he threw the popcorn in the old guys face... and in front of the man's wife no less?

Cornered animals - four-legged and two-legged alike - often make for dangerous opponents.

Vendzilla · 02-19-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Tell that to the little girl without a father or the wife of the senile old man who got shot or the parents of the kid playing loud music. In Ga they just made it legal to carry in bars, big fun.

How about we tell my father that had a guy 60 years younger than him beat on him thru a window only to stop when a S&W 40 that was registered and licensed to carry was pointed at his face?

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