3xmedia

keep up the good work Teencat

mineistaken

Indeed.

Thread went detour a bit, lets bring it back on track

Relentless

No, I didn't. Scroll up and read the thread.
Robwod posted that, not me.

If you want to try and troll me, at least read the thread to know with some degree of accuracy what I said in it and what someone else said.
Otherwise you just end up looking like a dumbass making accusations for no legitimate reason.

robwod

Actually, all I did was openly question whether there was anything to gain for Lucas personally by this thread, and then wondered aloud why so many are apparently not doing their own auditing already. Then it all got sidetracked with some people getting defensive, which then degraded into thinking that my asking the above must equate to being part of some bro club or other such silly nonsense.

It is clear to me that I differ with certain people as to how we approach our respective businesses, what constitutes professionalism and professional courtesy, and internal auditing procedures. Thus, no need for me to continue in this thread further. Carry on.

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We're from the same Generation I think but I've learned that this 'cyberspace' thing the kids are into? Pretty cool but doesn't replace, you know, flowers and life and real things. LOL

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mopek1

My mistake.

You said you're 'frustrated' because you think this will smear a program's reputation.

Again I say that many program owners/managers are absolutely fine with this. I don't think they need you to be concerned for them.

lucas131

i have won tons of money yesterday, so hangover as fuck today so cant read all that, will do over the weekend, anyway truth is that the ruc ccb link is magically going to ccb join page today, but my quick check dont see any reply from ruc here, and i dont have any answer to my email, so hope to get some answer, but i think it will be all good at their side ... there are some proofs anyway, so lets see ... dont drink alcohol and have a nice weekend everyone!

mopek1

Have a great weekend too Lucas and thanks again.

Nurgle

this thread doesnt deliver!

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klinton

thx lucas, and waiting for more from you....

lucas131

and what have you been expecting, lol?

mineistaken

So far it delivered some good information
Let's hear more sponsors tested

Relentless

Really? This thread somehow changed how much you earn per click from sponsors?

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mineistaken

Really.
You and Rob tried to steer away from topic to offtopic, but lets hope we are back on topic now

Relentless

Actually, you have that backwards. Which is not surprising.

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lucas131

lol this is funny ... another hardcore weekend out there?

Nice_Nick

Relentless you are relentless with trying to force your opinion on people.

mineistaken

Why backwards? I see what you mean by your position and it has some merit.
However (as I tried to explain you in oldjeff's thread somehwere here https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=2004...post2004 5441) there is much more to it than just money. Things like principle of not cheating etc and so on.
OP is testing those things. Not necessary cheating, but maybe errors/honest bugs as well.
That is why your posts are off topic in my eyes.

Magnetron

Testing ... testing ... 1, 2, 3

Relentless

Lucas is NOT testing those things. He is 'threatening' to test those things and making claims based on a single data point which are being taken (at least by some of the shortsighted people in this thread as "fact"). If he actually wanted any kind of answers about a specific anomaly all he would have to do is ask CCBill. They aren't hard to get a hold of for anyone.

You have zero way to know if someone is "cheating you" by the way. Whether they shave a sale, intend to go out of business without paying you, are data mining your sites to find your traffic sources, are building sites to compete with yours, are about to sue you to take over your domain name or any dozens of other ways they could do things to you. The idea that you will somehow identify cheats ahead of time is ridiculous. Want proof?

Why didn't anyone see Epassporte failing before it did? Why didn't anyone see all the programs that closed without paying anyone before they went out? Why didn't anyone see Ibill about to fuck people. Hell, why didn't any of the millions of mortgage holders see the global financial crisis coming?

Your best security is in your own stats which will tell you to the penny how much people are paying you per click. That is the only reliable data you own and you already have it all. Base your decisions on it and you will be safer than you'd ever be by 'guessing' who may have cheated someone. More than that, you'll never smear good sponsors by having faulty assumptions, because you'll be too busy watching real stats and cashing real checks.

Incidentally that is exactly how program owners think. When you send them traffic and they send you checks, they aren't trying to decide if you are fucking around based on conspiracy theories. They can see how many clicks you sent, how many joins you caused, how much each of those joins earned them and how many chargebacks they had to deal with... so they also have all the stats they need to be able to decide your value. That's the whole basis of affiliate marketing, each site already has all the stats needed to evaluate the other party.

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Relentless

I am definitely Relentless. As I mentioned before, this is an industry based on effort much more than aptitude in my opinion. As for 'forcing my opinion' on anyone... I have no means to do that. The thing forcing an opinion on you is logic. All I am doing is stating things logically. Your own brain is doing the rest, because it knows I am correct about this.

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lucas131

you are talking about theories, some things you think you know how they works. you dont. for example, what have ccbill to do with hard coded vendo biller on join page? really, you are just trying to be interesting, or clever, or i dont know what, but you post so much here so it makes me thinking, who the hell is the guy defending? more to come, this will be more likely on the go project, will be updating regularly with results from actual active sponsors. stay tuned, and dont be so hurry on me, i am so lazy and need much time for everything also replies come if needed, just need to recover from weekend

lucas131

and to everyone who is asking why would programs shave, you know why, because 100% of sale is more than 50% of sale, and there is nobody who is testing if sponsors are shaving, so all good in our shaving brotherhood

Matt 26z

Relentless, you clearly aren't even an affiliate..... or you're just stupid.... or you've got an M.O. in posting your drivel.

Your theory that affiliates will jump to another program if the shave is set too high is mistaken. Most affiliates push a wide array of programs and once that promo material is out there it's out there. If you've got 500 blog posts pushing programX and then you suspect them of shaving, now what? You could fill the gap with another program, but those 500 posts are still there. Your logic does not account for this sort of thing and many other methods.

It's pretty rare for a program to be outed for shaving. I think it's happened like 5 times over the past decade here on GFY (not including the CCBill 0 rebills setting scandal). The evidence is hard to get. But when it does happen or when you at least suspect it, you've got to decide how risky it is to move forward with that program. 10% shave right now. Perhaps an 80% shave when they decide they need a new car. Again, your logic doses not account for this stuff either.

Just a fucking idiot trying to convince us that shaving doesn't matter.

Relentless

Have a nice recovery

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jscott

Lucas, this is probably the best thread idea and intentions i have seen so far this year. keep on testing and posting man. :

Matt 26z

I'm not buying into anyone that says programs don't shave in the current environment. Go back several years to when things were still doing great. I recall a few small programs got busted shaving cash from the few affiliates they had. If programs hurting for affiliates were shaving back then, programs hurting for affiliates could be shaving today.

Relentless

I've been an affiliate a very long while and have pushed sales to many dozens of programs. That's the nature of review sites. If I have 500 blog posts pushing a program that is no longer paying me top dollar I change two settings in my blog system and I have a different sponsor's link codes on those posts thirty seconds later. If I have reviews up about a sponsor who doesn't pay well I can choose to keep the reviews up or I can choose to take them down. At no point is anyone else ever in control of my sites. If your sites can not be adjusted once you post links, you are an idiot.

Or you could invest that same time and energy into acquiring a backend system like mine that allows me to adjust my content in three clicks which you manually run around writing html for blogs one at a time. That's what people mean when they say you'll earn more if you focus on your own sites.

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mineistaken

Those people (like Oldjeff in that thread) assumes that every program owner is smart and decent. So they base their saying "nobody shaves now" on the fact that it is stupid and short sighted to shave, especially nowadays. Yes, but some program owners are a bit stupid, some are greedy, some are just bad people and so on and on.
You can not base something on what you would do or on what smart business person would do. There are many different kind of people owning programs.

Matt 26z

Not if it's a niche blog and those posts were for a specific paysite.

Relentless

There is no such thing as a paysite without a competitor. If you ever find one and you aren't doing well, you are either a fool to promote it or a fool to not compete with it depending on why it isn't doing well.

druid66

Relentless, You are Correct, Right and telling Truth in everything You have wrote, can You now leave and let us all enjoy Lucas work?

Thank you Lucas for this thread, it will be epic!

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Ruseful

Hi Lucas131, as you can see, I have re registered my gfy username. I actually deleted my original account because of the fiasco with Paywit and the fake article he was planning on releasing about FakeHospital, and not due to anything you have written, so please do not believe yourself when you say I deleted my account because of your lack of sales.

I have never seen an email from you, or I would have responded. Please make sure you send the email to jt @ ruseful dot com. Can you forward the email that you say you did send? Also, you have never responded to my previous requests asking you for your aff ID when you continually hijacked my threads on GFY. So unless you actually give me ways to contact you, or actually do contact me, of course there will be crickets.

The issue with CCBill links last week was an issue with CCBill, not ReallyUsefulCash.com. We switched over to Vendo a few days prior to you doing the test join. They have since resolved the issue as you have noted, but its their company policy to not get involved and post in the GFY threads. In that time I believe you lost 0 sales.

As for shaving, do you seriously think I need to shave my affiliates? What would I achieve by doing that? and extra few % of revenue? Do you think I am poor? And even if I did shave, do you think I am insane to shave someone like you, that sends so little traffic and when you don't get a sale, you speak loudly on GFY?

As for you seeing no sales for 40 days on FakeHospital, complaining about it on GFY, and then accusing me of either crediting you sales, or stop the shaving, seriously, grow up.

For the record Lucas141 I am terminating your affiliate ID as of today. I don't like you, I don't want your traffic and the money you make me each month does not even give me a full tank of gas.

As for any other affiliates that have an account with ReallyUsefulCash, if you do not want to promote me, please list your aff id in this thread, and I will too, terminate your account.

Seriously guys, if you don't like a program, or a program owner, or you believe the libel that is written on GFY, go take your traffic somewhere else, no one is forcing you to promote any sites or programs. As an affiliate, this is YOUR business, you should be doing your OWN testing. God help you guys if you are relying on these types of threads on GFY to make your business decisions.

I actually regret the day that I didn't go with my gut feeling, and make ReallyUsefulCash and invite only program from the very beginning.

So, those of you who that do not want to promote me, please list your aff id's and i'll have your accounts terminated.

For the record, all re bills from terminated accounts will STILL be paid.

Ruseful

Do you seriously believe that I would delete my account on here because of teencat?

Upset at what questions about my tube experiences?

And no other program continually shoots as much quality content as I do per month, for all of the sites that i have, and the sites we have coming online.

No special relationship exists with the tubes. What you will find with the tubes is that cream rises to the top. That why I have 12 of the 16 highest rated websites of all time on YouPorn. Thats why FakeTaxi is the #1 most searched for term on every tube site that I upload to, including YouPorn, PornHub, xHamster etc etc. Thats why PublicAgent is #5, and why 7 of my sites names are in the top 50 most searched for terms on a tube site.

Think about it, why isn't MindGeek's tubes home pages full brazzers, Mofos, Wiked, DP thumbnails? Because there is BETTER content from their other content partners, that their users like. And it is these users that determine, with their ratings, what content makes it on the homepage/s. Why would a tube fill their home pages with inferior content?

Just look on YouPorn at the most subscribed too channels. most in the top 20 are mine. Most popular, most are mine. Highest rated, most are mine. You get the idea. Most are mine, not because of bro favours, but because of the quality of the actual clips my team uploads to the tubes. This is why you see so many of my videos online. In the "being watched now" sections on the home pages. Simply because, the algorithm used, actually selects the best weighted videos from actually videos being watched. Again, why would you put a poor rated video in that section on your homepage?

Maybe you just don't get how to utilise the tubes? How to properly monetise the tubes. I never see a lot of your content online. A few companies do get it though, mine included.

And I can only assume from what you have written about me, and your obviously negative feelings for me, that I can rip up your invite to participate in cloud.xxx and tube.xxx. Thats cool with me too.

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lucas131

lol ... ... more to come ... of course

Ruseful

Actually, I didn't thank you for finding that issue with CCBill btw, I am glad you caught it within a few days of it happening with the switchover to Vendo. But please do resend your emails you say you have sent.

And the offer of terminating anyones aff id's with reallyusfulcash is serious, so any affiliates pushing my sites that no longer want too, then list your id's and we will do the necessary.

lucas131

i am done with you, everyone can make his own statement ... howgh, others to come ...

Ruseful

Cant wait

Screwed Up

So you don't use the exclusive content of that paysite to make those blog posts? Instead you use your own bought content? Or if you do, do you take down the content when you replace your link codes?
Serious question.

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Can you confirm your aff id please lucas131, I want to make sure I am terminating the correct one. The one I believe is yours has you living in Czech Republic. We are almost neighbours!!!

lucas131

and now, fakehospital ccbill links are going to epoch biller ... also vendo problem? you can get my account from email posted in first post in this thread, where i have been telling everyone who have problems with anything to tell me so i will test them later. you had time to tell me that you are implementing vendo, even after i have been posting about strange stats in your nats, no email received, so i did what i wrote ... you have been caught, shaving, thats the only one truth and yeah, czech republic is full of thieves, looks like you fits here well

OldJeff

Please don't pretend to know what I "think,assume,know,dream about" or anything else about me.

I think we have very different definition of program owners.

The point I was trying to get across, in my own loving and gentle way was do business with people you know you can trust, don't have problems, the end

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Ruseful

wow, you honestly think I am shaving? You identified an issue with my billing setup that was a nats issue. You then report that everything is ok. But a thief? Classy.

Yes, last night at around midnight Czech time, we switched epoch to primary on FakeHospital as we were trying to see if that was the issue we were seeing with ratios. There were no issues with Vendo, so as soon as my guy come back online this afternoon, vendo will be primary again and I will have him make sure ccbill is working correctly.

Do you honestly think that I would think to my self "oh good, Lucus131 now says my program is ok, so lets start shaving again".

Any affiliates that believe I am shaving, list your aff id's here and we can very very easily terminate your account with us.

The affiliate part of the industry is dying rapidly, it pretty much went to shit when the tubes were launched. The money you guys were making being affiliates was multiplied many times over and put in the tube owners pockets (mine included). The industry evolved, seems most affiliates didn't. You are having to work much harder for less money and I do actually feel sorry for you, and take that on board when I am reading your libellous posts. And it really isn't directly because of you that I am closing my cash program, there are a lot of people in the same position as you, you are just more noise than the others.

mopek1

Lots of people in denial about this. I suspect if you weren't a program owner you'd be hammered by now for saying this.

Basically you are saying that the money WE used to make now goes to you. Not a great statement to make when you need to be concerned with damage control.

If everything was peachy then you wouldn't be so angry. I am not saying that you are shaving but there was a billing issue. And so now you come in here and instead of being extremely apologetic and telling your affiliates that you value them and that steps are being taken to ensure this will never happen again and to please email you if anyone has been using ccBill and that the timeframe of this issue is from X date to X date etc...

That would be the professional way to handle things.

Again I am not convinced that you were shaving as it would take a lot more data to support an accusation like that ... but Lucas did find a problem and your REACTION to it is not very professional.

Fat Panda

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keep up the good work RUC

DamianJ

Why isn't teen cat posting his aff id so he can terminate the account?

Speaks volumes.

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This thread is an advert for why affiliate programmes should move to invite only.

Relentless

That answer depends on the specific site. For a blog site I'd need to change one picture and any links. For a tube I'd need to change one video and any links. It's an important part of the reason why the images I use in things like model directories are independent from a rights perspective from things like specific blog posts or videos. Also, keep in mind my sites are predominantly text based. Every word on my sites is handwritten and owed by me. I never user sponsor supplied text. It's much better for SEO my way and it means it never has to be changed if a sponsor is changed.

There are some instances, like reviews on my review site, where content is specific to a single site. In those instances a lower performing sponsor is kept up, and I don't give bad scores based on bad payouts. However, a sponsor with a couple low performing sites won't get another site from their network reviewed quickly, won't be featured on the homepage and things of that sort. Sponsors that go out of business still have to have all their reviews removed or heavily rewritten for other purposes at my expense. That's part of my cost of doing business.

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