Do You Guys Believe "Belle Knox" Really Feels Empowered?

[Donny]

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

Inquiring minds want to know.

No. I don't think she feels infantalized either.

I like how she shoots down the slut shamers too.

Empowered? No.

Being a grown up that says fuck you, this is my life, doesn't necessarily empower. I think it's just something everywhore, err I mean everyone should do.

Maybe it's empowering from those who sit and watch from the sidelines

[Donny]

I came back to the board tonight for the first time in a really long time because I wanted to see what was being said about her here. Speaking at Notre Dame University, her name came up. I don't buy the "I feel empowered" line.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

I came back to the board tonight for the first time in a really long time because I wanted to see what was being said about her here. Speaking at Notre Dame University, her name came up. I don't buy the "I feel empowered" line.

Not surprised she defended with that line or concept.

Ultimately it's her life.

I was asked during a documentary if I would want my daughter doing porn. I said "Compared to what? A doctor, a schoolteacher or some chick that blows dudes in an alley while fighting for the next crack hit from beaner?"

She doesn't seem like a dummy and I hope things work out the way she wants.

[Donny]

Nobody wants their daughter to do porn. Nobody. Who wants their little girl getting banged by numerous men?

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by Paully

or some chick that blows dudes in an alley while fighting for the next crack hit from beaner?"

Eh! Here we go again. (:

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

Nobody wants their daughter to do porn. Nobody. Who wants their little girl getting banged by numerous men?

They will all get banged by numerous men if they're lucky and not completely tore up, on film or not.

I guess you can try and make some ugly kids if you want. Probably still won't work. Bea Arthur probably banged half of Hollywood. R.I.P.

[kane]

I guess it depends on how you define the word empowered. There is one definition that says, "to promote the self-actualization or influence of." In that case, sure, she is empowered. She understands the power of female sexuality and is using it (promoting it) to her advantage. She isn't ashamed of what she is doing (she claims so I will take her at her word), and she seems to have a good head on her shoulders.

I think sometimes people confuse empowered with inspired.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by kane

I guess it depends on how you define the word empowered. There is one definition that says, "to promote the self-actualization or influence of." In that case, sure, she is empowered. She understands the power of female sexuality and is using it (promoting it) to her advantage. She isn't ashamed of what she is doing (she claims so I will take her at her word), and she seems to have a good head on her shoulders.

I think sometimes people confuse empowered with inspired.

I can go with that. I think she's a smart cookie too. Should do well. I'd bang her and then buy her favorite doughnut in the morning. Even off the fancy menu.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paully

I can go with that. I think she's a smart cookie too. Should do well. I'd bang her and then buy her favorite doughnut in the morning. Even off the fancy menu.

I agree. I would give her 47 seconds she won't soon forget.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

Nobody wants their daughter to do porn. Nobody. Who wants their little girl getting banged by numerous men?

Simple case of thinking your kid won't grow up. Infantilization. gfy spell check just thinks I made that up.

C'mon admins, lets get a new dicktionary up in this mofo. Can you make it say Paully's big cack every time someone uses an *

Thanks,

Paully

p.s. I will not take advantage of my super cack powers often. Thanks.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by Paully

Not surprised she defended with that line or concept.

Ultimately it's her life.

I was asked during a documentary if I would want my daughter doing porn. I said "Compared to what? A doctor, a schoolteacher or some chick that blows dudes in an alley while fighting for the next crack hit from beaner?"

She doesn't seem like a dummy and I hope things work out the way she wants.

First off:
Yelling at an HBO movie does not qualify as an interview.

Second:
Being a secretary for a de-womanizing pig does not mean you should open your mouth in discussions far over your head.

Third:
Money talks, bullshit walks. When X*1.2 = 2X... that has some real value. You will never understand that because you just open your wide, obnoxious, herpe riddled mouth for the cock of your master

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Eric

First off:

Money talks, bullshit walks. When XPaully has a big cack1.2 = 2X... that has some real value. You will never understand that because you just open your wide, obnoxious, herpe riddled mouth for the cock of your master

;)

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Donny

Nobody wants their daughter to do porn. Nobody. Who wants their little girl getting banged by numerous men?

Such a negative view towards sexuality? Just because you buy into that puritanical patriarchal crap doesn't mean you should patronize or judge her shameful or shameless.

It is possible that she is empowered. Claiming ones sexuality without shame is very empowering to males, females, and everything in between because it is such an intrinsic aspect of life and being.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

[Paully]

Far-L I guess there is the concept of self-empowerment. I looked at it like being empowered or empowering. Either way if it gets your shit off and it's with full consent I say go for it.

Since the inception of the internet and porn(that why the internet)oppression has been a less deciding factor in most places for sex crimes and exploitation. Still work to do.

I am going to spread the word of the yellow couch!

Oh gawd.

P.S. Eric, quit fucking with my posts. I got this.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Such a negative view towards sexuality? Just because you buy into that puritanical patriarchal crap doesn't mean you should patronize or judge her shameful or shameless.

It is possible that she is empowered. Claiming ones sexuality without shame is very empowering to males, females, and everything in between because it is such an intrinsic aspect of life and being.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

You're talking to Donny, erstwhile model recruiter and pornographer, son of a preacher man who now lectures and debates as a reformed pervert and exploiter of 'little girls' that porn is an evil force that destroys lives and makes Jesus weep. The only healthy sex occurs behind closed doors between a man and his wife, everything else is an abomination. That's what he believes, what he has to believe, so he's not looking for a real discussion or debate because he's made up his mind, well the love of Jesus Christ has made up his mind.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Mutt

You're talking to Donny, erstwhile model recruiter and pornographer, son of a preacher man who now lectures and debates as a reformed pervert and exploiter of 'little girls' that porn is an evil force that destroys lives and makes Jesus weep. The only healthy sex occurs behind closed doors between a man and his wife, everything else is an abomination. That's what he believes, what he has to believe, so he's not looking for a real discussion or debate because he's made up his mind, well the love of Jesus Christ has made up his mind.

Oh man. Heart me some baby jebus.

J/k I know. Saw his switch over back in the day. Funny how some of the dirtiest stories you could ever read come from the good book.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Mutt

You're talking to Donny, erstwhile model recruiter and pornographer, son of a preacher man who now lectures and debates as a reformed pervert and exploiter of 'little girls' that porn is an evil force that destroys lives and makes Jesus weep. The only healthy sex occurs behind closed doors between a man and his wife, everything else is an abomination. That's what he believes, what he has to believe, so he's not looking for a real discussion or debate because he's made up his mind, well the love of Jesus Christ has made up his mind.

He knows who he's talking to: I've stayed in his house as a guest even after "the love of Jesus made up my mind."

[Mutt]

Donny do you believe that the flood story of Noah was a real event that took place? If so, and assuming you believe the bones of dinosaurs archaeologists find are not fake, were dinosaurs on the Ark's passenger list?

It's not a trick question or a trap - if the flood story is real and dinosaurs are real then there has to be an explanation for these huge animals that predate Noah by tens of thousands of years scientists say.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

He knows who he's talking to: I've stayed in his house as a guest even after "the love of Jesus made up my mind."

Just throwing this out there Donny but Horus had a falcon's head. Simple switch over from jesus stuff with a lil chicken man mask and bam. You don't even need to switch your calendar up.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Donny do you believe that the flood story of Noah was a real event that took place? If so, and assuming you believe the bones of dinosaurs archaeologists find are not fake, were dinosaurs on the Ark's passenger list?

It's not a trick question or a trap - if the flood story is real and dinosaurs are real then there has to be an explanation for these huge animals that predate Noah by tens of thousands of years scientists say.

Oh shit, the story of Jonah in the fish is pretty good if youre a fucking waterhead. Really, 3 days in a fish? Thats the nuttiest story ever, well next to Noah's Arch. Tuff to call.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Donny do you believe that the flood story of Noah was a real event that took place? If so, and assuming you believe the bones of dinosaurs archaeologists find are not fake, were dinosaurs on the Ark's passenger list?

It's not a trick question or a trap - if the flood story is real and dinosaurs are real then there has to be an explanation for these huge animals that predate Noah by tens of thousands of years scientists say.

I do believe it was a real event, yes. Amongst Christians there is much debate over whether or not the flood was regional or global, however.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

I do believe it was a real event, yes. Amongst Christians there is much debate over whether or not the flood was regional or global, however.

I'd say must have been regional because why don't I have a Koala or Kangaroo around my house in California?

[\debate]

P.S. Maybe it was a lil flood ;)

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

I'd say must have been regional because why don't I have a Koala or Kangaroo around my house in California?

[\debate]

P.S. Maybe it was a lil flood ;)

The same question could be asked in a discussion about Pangaea.

I lean toward the regional perspective on the flood.

[Paully]

Tell me about Jonah please

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

Tell me about Jonah please

What about Jonah? Three days inside a huge fish bugs ya, I take it.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

The same question could be asked in a discussion about Pangaea.

I lean toward the regional perspective on the flood.

Young earth then?

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

What about Jonah? Three days inside a huge fish bugs ya, I take it.

Ridiculous bullshit bugs me.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

Young earth then?

Not me. I'm a firm believer in theistic evolution.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

Ridiculous bullshit bugs me.

For some reason I am not really bothered by Jonah's story. Miracle stories are called miracles because they are rare events. I believe God created all that exists. That said, the being that created the universe wouldn't have a problem keeping a guy alive for three days inside his own living submarine.

[Paully]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?

Epicurus (c. 341 - c. 270 BC)

Your philosophy is contradictory.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?

Epicurus (c. 341 - c. 270 BC)

Your philosophy is contradictory.

Free will.

True free will wouldn't exist if he kept bad people from doing bad things. That would infringe upon their free will. You can use your free will to hurt others, as it's yours to use as you wish.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

Free will.

True free will wouldn't exist if he kept bad people from doing bad things. That would infringe upon their free will. You can use your free will to hurt others, as it's yours to use as you wish.

If it's by happenstance and free will then why pray? Will my team win? Will a village in the Philippines get dragged out to sea? Were the people in the church in Washington not praying hard enough when they were covered in mud and killed by god? Acts of god, right.

[Donny]

I'm going back to sleep for awhile. I'm only awake because I had a scary dream that woke me up (not often does that happen - I don't like it).

Ask anything you wish to truly discuss. I like debate. Not fond of trolling though. So ask what you really want to discuss. I probably won't be around the site for long. I come and go. I'm here on gfy tonight because the Duke girl came up in conversation at dinner. I was interested to see if people in adult thought she really felt empowered or if she's just blowing smoke.

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

I'm going back to sleep for awhile. I'm only awake because I had a scary dream that woke me up (not often does that happen - I don't like it).

Ask anything you wish to truly discuss. I like debate. Not fond of trolling though. So ask what you really want to discuss. I probably won't be around the site for long. I come and go. I'm here on gfy tonight because the Duke girl came up in conversation at dinner. I was interested to see if people in adult thought she really felt empowered or if she's just blowing smoke.

It's my duty to spread the word of the yellow couch Donny. You are now on my sites as 2nd Lieutenant in charge of cults.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

If it's by happenstance and free will then why pray? Will my team win? Will a village in the Philippines get dragged out to sea? Were the people in the church in Washington not praying hard enough when they were covered in mud and killed by god? Acts of god, right.

On prayer: I think we can use our free will to ask God to get involved in things. I pray all the time but try to be smart about it. For example: I just took a hit in business this month. I lost two grand a month in income. I'm not praying to God asking him to replace it. Instead, I'm praying that I see opportunities. I think that's a better prayer. He shouldn't be thought of as a magical vending machine.

When people die:
If there is a heaven, is it really such a horrible thing to go there? We think from our temporal perspective rather than an eternal one. I like being here on earth but I know nothing else. If there is a heaven (I'm convinced there is) I'll undoubtedly like it much better than this, so if some natural disaster takes my life, "don't cry for me, Argentina."

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

It's my duty to spread the word of the yellow couch Donny. You are now on my sites as 2nd Lieutenant in charge of cults.

Aye, aye, Captain!

[Paully]

Originally Posted by Donny

On prayer: I think we can use our free will to ask God to get involved in things. I pray all the time but try to be smart about it. For example: I just took a hit in business this month. I lost two grand a month in income. I'm not praying to God asking him to replace it. Instead, I'm praying that I see opportunities. I think that's a better prayer. He shouldn't be thought of as a magical vending machine.

When people die:
If there is a heaven, is it really such a horrible thing to go there? We think from our temporal perspective rather than an eternal one. I like being here on earth but I know nothing else. If there is a heaven (I'm convinced there is) I'll undoubtedly like it much better than this, so if some natural disaster takes my life, "don't cry for me, Argentina."

You really think if there was a god he would give a shit about your or anybodies opportunities while some baby is dieing at some hospital with cancer. I wouldn't even consider praying for anything for myself considering what i've seen happen to others. Not even if I did believe in a god.

And If your saying heaven is like Thanksgiving everyday I'll kill myself again. I love my family but for fucks sake.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Donny

I do believe it was a real event, yes. Amongst Christians there is much debate over whether or not the flood was regional or global, however.

How silly, what insight would Christians have into whether the flood was regional or global?

Theistic evolution - so now you're saying that Genesis and its geneology is just an allegory, a story. The only evidence we have that there is a creator called God is found in the scriptures dictated to Moses by God himself. Such a conundrum, the scriptures thought to be the work of God, really aren't, they're just stories and ideas conceived by the Israelites. Of course a rational human being understands this paradox but you arent, so you'll attempt to present some kind of philosophical bs argument which you've assured yourself explains the existence of God and his creation doesn't rely on the literalness of the Bible.

But it does. There is a truth, this God and his powers and actions, were dreamed up by a tribe of Canaanite goat herders who worshipped a Canaanite god named Yahweh and over time imagined him to be the only god, the Creator of Everything.

This quote by Biblical scholar John Crossan nails the truth to the cross.

"?My point, once again, is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically, but that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally.?

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Donny

For some reason I am not really bothered by Jonah's story. Miracle stories are called miracles because they are rare events. I believe God created all that exists. That said, the being that created the universe wouldn't have a problem keeping a guy alive for three days inside his own living submarine.

The primates who walked this earth before us thought the sun was their god, because the sun gives life and makes things grow. In december the sun would be so low for 3 days that it was barely visible. When after 3 days the sun went higher again, it was like a rebirth for them.

Fast forward to the writers of the bible, a combined book full of exaggerated myths and believes of the primitive people in those times. The God story went from the sun to a mythical being. The 3 days rebirth story was given to a guy they named Jesus.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by nico-t

The primates who walked this earth before us thought the sun was their god, because the sun gives life and makes things grow. In december the sun would be so low for 3 days that it was barely visible. When after 3 days the sun went higher again, it was like a rebirth for them.

Fast forward to the writers of the bible, a combined book full of exaggerated myths and believes of the primitive people in those times. The God story went from the sun to a mythical being. The 3 days rebirth story was given to a guy they named Jesus.

Except for one thing: there's exponentially more evidence for his existence in the writings of non Christian historians than there is for that of Julius Caesar. Don't just regurgitate what you've read somewhere. Study for yourself. Even prominent atheists openly admit Jesus walked the earth.

[Donny]

Mutt, before trying to sound smart about something you obviously haven't spent half an hour reading about, you might want to do so.

One example: the Genesis creation story. Don't take the word of your religious Aunt Gemima in regards to what it means. Either study a bit before posting or ask a Rabbi (since Jews wrote it and it was addressed to Jews). Holy crap, dude.

Genesis 1 is a poem. It's definitely not to be taken literally. But even if it was, the word we translate into "day" is "yom" in the original text. One of the meanings of that word is "unspecified AGE of time." In other words, Genesis 1, even literally taken, doesn't conflict with evolution. In fact, if you get your Aunt Gemima's interpretation out of your head, it actually describes evolution in a primitive way, long before Darwin (who wasn't trying to overrule the creation story to begin with, but rather discover HOW GOD CREATED). In Genesis 1, things start off void. Then water and land are separated. Then primitive life forms are created. Then more advanced life forms. Then animals, and finally humans from the dust of the earth emerge. That does a damned good job summarizing evolution, don't you think? Especially for a poem.

I'd love to say I came up with theistic evolution, but I didn't. One particular figurehead - you might have heard of his title - stated evolution is considered by the Church to be a very valid explanation of creation: the Pope.

If YOU are going to try to make me look stupid about things I study almost daily, you might want to educate yourself on positions I might hold. That's how good debators succeed: studying the opponents position. Note: your Aunt isn't a good source of research.

[candyflip]

[Donny]

Also, Mutt, know that the Bible was canonized. It is NOT one book. It is a collection of many different books by many different writers who wrote over thousands of years, lived in diverse areas and times in comparision to each other, and had different intentions. Some is poetry. Some is other forms of literature. Some is meant to be taken literally. Some parts are meant only for certain people or certain situations that existed at the time of writing. Some is prophecy. Some is simply, "this is what happened" rather than "this is what you should do,"and is meant for us to learn lessons from. Some is instruction for all of humanity in the present and future. What it is NOT nor EVER HAS BEEN intended is for every word to literally apply to every person. I'm sorry you've received that impression from your Aunt Gemima who was taught that way by her mostly-illiterate Aunt Tilly. There have always been educated people around, however, that are constantly studying the books contained in the Bible, what they mean, and how they are best applied to our lives. Perhaps you don't wish to study it like that. In that case, you really shouldn't try to make yourself out to know anything about it.

[Paully]

And yet you base your life on it.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

And yet you base your life on it.

This sentence indicates that you truly do not comprehend a word I said in the statement that prompted you to write it.

Of course I base my life upon it. When one starts learning what it means and how to apply it the way it was intended, it's absolutely incredible. I love studying the Bible. It's fascinating. But when I say, "Study the Bible," I'm not talking about the Bible studies your grandma had in her basement. I mean this: I have literally thousands of books and other resources that I carry with me on my computers and tablets (plural - I have a laptop and three tablets with me in my hotel room right now) that I use to study scripture. To help put this into perspective, just ONE of those books, one of my favorites, is a commentary on the Bible's book of Romans. This one particular commentary is 830 pages long (Romans itself is quite a short book) and is published by Yale University. So when I say "study," I kinda mean it.

[Paully]

Well then as long as you got it right, and not those kooks that dance with snakes or picket funerals that say god hates fags.

It does say in Matthew to take up serpents. By the way do you beat your slaves with canes or whips cuz these canes aren't lasting very long over here?

[Donny]

Originally Posted by Paully

Well then as long as you got it right, and not those kooks that dance with snakes or picket funerals that say god hates fags.

It does say in Matthew to take up serpents. By the way do you beat your slaves with canes or whips cuz these canes aren't lasting very long over here?

Once a person actually studies context and culture, he stops bringing up 'slaves' in criticism of scripture. We still have slaves today. We just call them "employees" or "contractors" or sometimes... "talent." Tell me about how Max treats his...

[BlackCrayon]

if she feels empowered at all its financial. she found a way where she can pay for her way in life with seemingly little work. isn't that the main attraction for girls in porn anyways? i'd venture to say 99% of the population doesn't feel empowered by their job.

[Paully]

Like angels. Nothing in the bible is or has ever been relevant for any reason except scamming money out of people.