WTF does the US Government have against cattle ranchers? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

sperbonzo · 04-17-2014, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

The president isn't a dictator. He doesn't run around making everyone jump or shoot them if they don't. BLM or the Forestry service or any other govt office act on laws. Those laws are written by congress and signed by the president and eventually enforced by what ever govt agency they were intended to be used by.

Obama doesn't say hey BLM.. go take this rancher's land because I want a new park named after me.. It doesn't work that way.

You want him to act and say stop.. Yet weren't you just complaining in another topic about how many executive actions Obama has done? Complaining when he does act on his own and then complaining when he doesn't is just silly. There is nothing he can ever do to satisfy you guys because no matter what he does or doesn't do it's always bad.

Actually you are not correct. Many government agencies, including the BLM and forest service, are creating and enforcing THOUSANDS of "regulations" which are NEVER voted on by congress. This process has been accelerating rapidly. These "regulations" are enforced by federal jail time, (which makes them laws in my book), and yet these agencies create them willy-nilly, by the thousands, with almost no legislative oversight whatsoever. It's a easy way to circumvent one branch of government. The Executive branch certainly does have the power to send out directives as to what these agencies are doing, (since there are deemed agency "regulations" not federal laws), and it does not require an executive order, simply an ordinary directive.

Do a little research on this issue. It's quite startling and not in a good way.

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SuckOnThis · 04-17-2014, 06:31 AM

If you profit using Federal land and don't pay you're a freeloader and a thief. Go seize his assets now and be done with it, I'm tired of footing the bill for these criminals.

pornguy · 04-17-2014, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

If you profit using Federal land and don't pay you're a freeloader and a thief. Go seize his assets now and be done with it, I'm tired of footing the bill for these criminals.

Eat steak or drink Milk??

Price is going to go up.

tony286 · 04-17-2014, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Eat steak or drink Milk??

Price is going to go up.

it has been going up for long time. so whats your point?

blackmonsters · 04-17-2014, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Eat steak or drink Milk??

Price is going to go up.

dyna mo · 04-17-2014, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And I see people calling him a "freeloader". Even though I've pointed out that over history, cattle free-range grazed.

That's because he is a freeloader, regardless of what you point out. We aren't going by your definitions, I'm going on universally accepted definitions and by those, he's a free rider.

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Because its bullshit. tell your landlord I dont recognize you and stop paying see what happens. Tell him, its your first amendment right. lol

first amendment zones set-up by a government bureaucracy is bullshit to you, got it.

Tony, I used to give you credit for reading and sifting through information to get to the gist of an issue, post or statement. Clearly by your comment, you aren't doing that here.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-17-2014, 07:22 AM

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Cliven Bundy Exposes the Cravenness of the Modern Right

Call it "individualism" or "libertarianism" or whatever you want, but those who declare themselves a Republic of One and raise their own flags are in a very literal sense being unpatriotic.

That's why I'm alarmed by the support in many conservative precincts for the Nevada scofflaws who have been exploiting public lands for private purposes and refuse to pay for the privilege because they choose not to "recognize" the authority of the United States.

Totally aside from the double standards involved in expecting kid-glove treatment of one set of lawbreakers as opposed to poorer and perhaps darker criminal suspects, fans of the Bundys are encouraging those who claim a right to wage armed revolutionary war towards their obligations as Americans.

Read more...http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...s-modern-right

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DEBUNKED: Cliven Bundy Cattle Not Seized by BLM for Fracking or Chinese Solar Panel Projects

Claim No. 1 ? That?s Cliven Bundy?s LAND!

Rebuttal No 1: NO IT ISN?T! Despite his claims of owning a piece of America simply because his family?s cows ate there, Cliven Bundy never owned one inch of that federal property. Not a single inch of it.

He never ?owned the rights? to graze his cows there, because the BLM doesn?t ?sell? grazing rights. They lease them, and Cliven Bundy just didn?t want to pay his lease.

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Claim No 2 ? The Turtles Are Just a Smokescreen!

No, they?re really not. Back in 1993, the BLM established that area as a protected turtle habitat, because the turtles were disappearing. Even Cliven Bundy himself acknowledges that the turtles have disappeared, their populations dropping by more than 90 percent in his lifetime.

Granted, he uses some folksy wisdom about how the decline of the turtle population has something to do with the decline of ranching in the area.

In an amazing example of putting the cart before the cow, Bundy sees the non-native sheep and cow population as somehow having a positive effect on a reptile that?s been there for millions of years ? and which has suddenly begun to die off, apparently because it couldn?t get along without the sheep and cows that it managed to survive 60 million years without.

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Claim No 3. ? Harry Reid?s Grabbing it For Chinese Solar / Fracking!

Uhhh?no, he?s really not. For several reasons, but mainly because the BLM didn?t have to ?grab? anything. It was land they already owned, and always had.

Bundy never had the land of his own to sustain 1,000-plus cattle, and his family had always been dependent on use of fed land to raise cows. But the BLM didn?t NEED to ?grab anybody?s land.? It was their land to begin with. And after Bundy stopped paying his lease, he was effectively gone as far as they were concerned. With nobody leasing the land, the BLM closed his former allotment for grazing permanently.

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Claim No. 4 ? The Gummint?s Comin? to Take Ever?thang From Independent Men Like Cliven Bundy!

First, Cliven Bundy was never ?independent.? His Mormon ancestors might have had some cows there, but they wouldn?t have if the United States FEDERAL GOVERNMENT hadn?t been ceded that territory by Mexico.

Cliven Bundy?s Mormon grandpappy didn?t capture that territory?the American government did. And it has belonged to them ever since. Bundy?s family was permitted to graze cows there for a fee, and Cliven forfeited his right to that allotment when he stopped paying. The federal government, who owned the land and always had, started looking for another use for it. Simple as that.

Or?it MIGHT have been as simple as that, had one self-entitled old man who didn?t want to pay his rent not suckered a bunch of teabillies into holding guns for him.
Make no mistake, this is, in fact, an eviction. It?s punitive, and aggressive. But landlords tend to get that way when you?re still squatting on property you haven?t paid on in 20 years.

Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing

Cliven Bundy is a Big Fat Million Dollar Welfare Dead Beat!

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What Bundy hasn't paid to the Feds is exactly the same a stealing. What he hasn't paid for using Federal Property has gone into his pocket after being snatched from the pocket of every tax payer.

The same is true of private companies that refuse to pay for public lands for drilling, that refuse to pay for the use of public facilities for their for-profit charter schools, and that park their assets overseas to avoid paying their fair share of taxes to America where they made their money in the first place.

They're ALL Thieves and Corporate Welfare Cheats. They either skirt the laws, or they manipulate and deform them to their own selfish benefit, causing the rest of us to pay instead.

ADG

sperbonzo · 04-17-2014, 08:58 AM

Vendzilla · 04-17-2014, 09:09 AM

Anyone that thinks there is nothing else here in what's going on is not paying attention. Harry Reid's son speaking out against Bundy, Bundy saying that his permit was pulled before he stopped paying dues and then starting paying the state the dues.
And really, how much land does a tortoise need? As a kid, mine was in a 2 x 5 ft aquarium and was quite happy

dyna mo · 04-17-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Anyone that thinks there is nothing else here in what's going on is not paying attention. Harry Reid's son speaking out against Bundy, Bundy saying that his permit was pulled before he stopped paying dues and then starting paying the state the dues.
And really, how much land does a tortoise need? As a kid, mine was in a 2 x 5 ft aquarium and was quite happy

I'm not buying the "i pad my fees to the state" Bundy is trying to sell. FAct is you can't just send money in randomly to a state office.

"hey mr State office clerk, here's a check for $10,000, I actually owe that to the BLM, even though I do NOT have a lease with them so I don't have a bill to go along with that check."

State clerk: "cool, thank you for your prompt payment of money you owe the federal government to a random state office."

mikesouth · 04-17-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Nope, just gonna say that is it HIS administration doing it RIGHT NOW.
And not just here...
I'm sure you heard what HIS administration did a couple of years ago to Gibson Guitars right in the middle of a horrible economy too.

If Bush was in charge, you would blame him (and rightly so).

Or as Harry Truman said: "The buck stops here".

Either Pres. Obama is actually in charge of the Executive Branch, or he is ignorant of EVERYTHING they are doing.
And if that is the case, then he is incompetent.

And even if he IS incompetent...all he had to do was turn on the news and see what was happening. Then he COULD have immediately ordered that shit to stop.

But he did not.

Sorry crockett, but I hold bureaucrats responsible for their bullshit. I am not beholden to the two "teams" (repubs and dems) the way that most of the country seems to be.
I don't like EITHER bunch of them. They are all crooks.

right on Robbie!

Vendzilla · 04-17-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

I'm not buying the "i pad my fees to the state" Bundy is trying to sell. FAct is you can't just send money in randomly to a state office.

"hey mr State office clerk, here's a check for $10,000, I actually owe that to the BLM, even though I do NOT have a lease with them so I don't have a bill to go along with that check."

State clerk: "cool, thank you for your prompt payment of money you owe the federal government to a random state office."

Yeah, I agree, I would like to see some more evidence on this. I still believe there is more to this than we know.

2MuchMark · 04-17-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Mark, I'm glad you aren't in any position of power.

If you think that a family of ranchers that have been grazing that land since the 1800's are somehow "criminals" then I don't know what to say to you.

What he was doing was found to be illegal in a court of law. He didn't stop doing it, and he refused to pay the fine. Maybe criminal is too hard of a term I'll give you that, but he's still breaking the law. Just because he refuses to acknowledge the existing of the federal government doesn't make him immune. Even the other ranchers agree with the government.

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And I could care less what Sean Hannity has to say. I'm telling you that there is more to what is going on here than what meets the eye.

Like what?

2MuchMark · 04-17-2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

You're anti-fox news bias as completely blinded you to what's important about this event.

I want to help you, here-

Read this
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...rst-amendment/

and study this photo

That's what's important here, not whether or not Bundy is a welfare cowboy.

I don't get it. What does the first amendment have to do with this? He used land that he should have paid for but didn't. What does it have to do with free speech?

dyna mo · 04-17-2014, 10:44 AM

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I don't get it. What does the first amendment have to do with this? He used land that he should have paid for but didn't. What does it have to do with free speech?

read the article. But in short, when Bundy's supporters showed up, the BLM cordoned off that area in the picture where they tried to corral the demonstrators into.

The 1st amendment does not work that way, there are not free speech zones in america(where you can speak your mind inside of them but not outside of them, America in totality is a fucking free speech zone.

blackmonsters · 04-17-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

read the article. But in short, when Bundy's supporters showed up, the BLM cordoned off that area in the picture where they tried to corral the demonstrators into.

The 1st amendment does not work that way, there are not free speech zones in america(where you can speak your mind inside of them but not outside of them, America in totality is a fucking free speech zone.

Oh yeah?

Then I'll use my free speech to tell you to shut the fuck up.

dyna mo · 04-17-2014, 11:30 AM

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Oh yeah?

Then I'll use my free speech to tell you to shut the fuck up.

I'd use it for something you might actually have a chance to change. !

blackmonsters · 04-17-2014, 11:31 AM

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I'd use it for something you might actually have a chance to change. !

tony286 · 04-22-2014, 10:21 AM

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/253015...-under-scrutin
"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said.

Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

its bullshit imagine that !

dyna mo · 04-22-2014, 10:31 AM

the issue in this story for me was BLM overstepping their authority. Regardless of bundy being a free rider, which he was by definition. When the BLM reevaluated , stepped back and deescalated, the story was over. Good for them.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-22-2014, 10:51 AM

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Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who for more than two decades has refused to pay grazing fees to the federal Bureau of Land Management, claiming that he should be exempt because (a) he does not recognize the existence of the Federal government in Nevada and (b) he has ancient ancestral rights to the land upon which his cows graze and poop.

Bundy's story has inspired Fox News?particularly Sean Hannity?to whore itself out to the armed militia freakshow in a naked ploy for ratings. While even Hannity has conceded that Bundy probably is on the wrong side of the law, they've presented him as a sympathetic figure: A simple man fighting in his twilight years against an out-of-control Leviathan state helmed by the anti-Christ himself, President B. Hussein Obama-Ayers.

Bundy says his family has rights to the land dating back to the 19th century, a claim that even if it were rooted in reality wouldn't change a damn thing about the fact that he's a deadbeat rancher refusing to pay his fare share who doesn't even have the support of his fellow ranchers in Nevada. But it turns out that not even that claim is true, as flagged by our very own nachtwulf and uncovered by the investigative reporting team at KLAS-TV, the CBS affiliate in Las Vegas, Nevada.

As they report, despite Bundy's ability to tell a good yarn...

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Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.
Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn't start grazing on that land until 1954.

On a substantive basis, it really wouldn't matter if Bundy weren't a fraud?even if his family had lived on his ranch since 1877, it wouldn't change the fact that his cattle are grazing on Federal, not private, land and that he should play by the same rules as everybody else. But he is a fraud, and somehow that makes his story an even more fitting symbol for what America's far right has become.

The Fox News poster-(cow)boy is apparently a lying mooching con-artist seditionist...

ADG

Rochard · 04-22-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Can you please point me to Obama's part in all this? Show me some legislation or a mandate where he told the BLM to go grab this rancher's land or that one's. Can you show me where he did the same for the US forestry office? I'm pretty sure BLM has been grabbing land long before Obama came to office and I've yet to see anywhere that Obama started some new mandate to grab people's land.

I mean really are you just gonna blame Obama for every little thing that goes wrong in govt but never give any credit for anything right?

Clearly it's Obama's fault. Just like he was involved in the gun running thing, and just like he instructed the IRS to investigate groups that tend to cheat the IRS.

Yawn.

SuckOnThis · 04-23-2014, 07:15 AM

Biggy · 04-23-2014, 07:31 AM

A little context on the bundy story...

Clive bundy paid grazing fees for a while to the BLM, but then then the BLM was using money against the ranchers, to buy outstanding permits and make their life more difficult. His family grazed the land for years but however long ago they had a change of mind to protect the endangered desert tortoise, so he tried paying the county and other agencies who refused. Basically he refused to financially support an agency that was trying to put him out of business... But really when they determined he couldn't graze the land anymore I'm not so sure he was on the hook for grazing fees as he's not supposed to be there but imagine the govt showing up one day and kicking you off your own land or land you've been on for 100 years. Not saying he's right but it's still brutal, I certainly wouldn't paint the man as some ingrate.... The long and short of it is he wasn't trying to he a cheapskate and get out of fees, he simply didn't want to move and pay money to a govt agency trying to put him out of business.

There's a history of the BLM selling land off to solar companies. While most of this has been linked to one specific company and that has been debunked pretty fairly, who knows what the true future use of the plans entail and if there is a hidden motive in trying to kick bundy off the land.

SuckOnThis · 04-23-2014, 07:35 AM

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he tried paying the county and other agencies who refused.

Says who?

sperbonzo · 04-23-2014, 07:38 AM

Mickey_ · 04-23-2014, 08:02 AM

Biggy · 04-23-2014, 08:09 AM

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Says who?

His daughter in an interview to explain her fathers actions. The BLM has made moves against ranchers, that part is not hearsay so it supports her claims. She then went on to say he used the money to improve the land which is what the BLM used to use the fees for before they started making moves against ranchers.

It doesn't make the man right but based upon how he's acted I don't think he's some non-paying ingrate. As the gif above states, 0 shots fired, 0 deaths. He's been the one asking the armed militia men to show restraint, etc.

His supporters are people who question the govt. he was effectively railroaded by the govt. we don't live in a fair world I don't think anyone will dispute that.

BFT3K · 04-23-2014, 08:15 AM

Local TV Station Sheds Doubt On Bundy's Claims About His Family Ranch

Cliven Bundy has trumpeted his "ancestral rights" in his land-use dispute with the federal government, but a report on Monday from a Nevada television station placed doubt on the defiant rancher's claims.

KLAS in Las Vegas obtained property records showing that Bundy's parents purchased the family's ranch in 1948. The Bunkerville, Nev. ranch has been the site of a tense standoff with the federal government over Bundy's use of land managed by the Bureau of Land Management.

Those records appear to contradict Bundy's own history of the ranch, as well as his biography.

"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy told KLAS before the government's round up began.

The standoff has made Bundy a hero among conservatives like Sean Hannity.

Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (R), who is showing solidarity with Bundy and the armed militias supporting him, said Friday that the federal government shouldn't "come here with guns and expect the American people not to fire back."

Bundy said that his rights predate the formation of the Bureau of Land Management, and he has refused to pay more than $1 million in cattle grazing fees.

"My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here," Bundy said.

But court records obtained by KLAS indicated the family's cattle didn't begin grazing the land until 1954. The Bureau of Land Management was created in 1946 (the same year Cliven Bundy was born.)

Source

Fat Panda · 04-23-2014, 08:20 AM

just your typical radical right wing fascist freeloaders

VikingMan · 04-23-2014, 10:26 AM

Aaron you already know the answer. This country was taken over by people who HATE the USA. This happened over 100 years ago and it has been downhill ever since. They groom fatherless boobs like Clinton and Obama and of course they have other boobs waiting in the wings of criminal families like the the Bush family which later become president. The sheep vote for whoever the media tells them to vote for. Regardless of which political party the new president comes from the financiers who own everything and almost everyone win. Their wars will still go forward and their buddies will get all the government and military contracts in addition to bailouts, sweetheart loans, and immunity from prosecution. As George Carlin famously said" It's a big fucking club and we (you and me) are not in it."

baddog · 04-24-2014, 07:51 AM

man, oh man, oh man . . . .

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/2...ing-the-negro/

arock10 · 04-24-2014, 10:05 AM

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man, oh man, oh man . . . .

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/2...ing-the-negro/

Saw this earlier and was gonna post a link but couldn't find a thread before my attention span died.

Whoops

deltav · 04-24-2014, 10:17 AM

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man, oh man, oh man . . . .

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/2...ing-the-negro/

Really he was just saying out loud what most of those dumbass hypocritical wannabe-militia rednecks think in private anyhow. The fact that he said that shit in public though just shows he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Just a stupid & lying freeloader pretty much.

Nice hero for the libertarian anti-gubmint movement!

Rochard · 04-24-2014, 10:50 AM

This just got a let better... This is what the rancher said:

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?I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,? he said in comments quoted by the New York Times. He recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, ?and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids ? and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch ? they didn?t have nothing to do. They didn?t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn?t have nothing for their young girls to do.?

He added: ?And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?? he asked. ?They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I?ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn?t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.?

Out fucking standing.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...#ixzz2zpNuhc7E

SuckOnThis · 04-24-2014, 11:13 AM

Vendzilla · 04-24-2014, 11:46 AM

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Really he was just saying out loud what most of those dumbass hypocritical wannabe-militia rednecks think in private anyhow. The fact that he said that shit in public though just shows he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Just a stupid & lying freeloader pretty much.

Nice hero for the libertarian anti-gubmint movement!

When you hate someone, why do you have to give them such long names?

Robbie · 04-24-2014, 05:31 PM

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Really he was just saying out loud what most of those dumbass hypocritical wannabe-militia rednecks think in private anyhow. The fact that he said that shit in public though just shows he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Just a stupid & lying freeloader pretty much.

Nice hero for the libertarian anti-gubmint movement!

The guy was never a "hero" to me.

He's just a guy.

The govt. IS too big and far too powerful. And the fact that they came in here with snipers, planes, and military-style overkill to begin with just shows that fact.

This guy is just a rancher. Nothing more, nothing less. And how the hell the subject of "black people" ever came up should give you a clue as to what the media was doing...they were trying to play "got ya" with him.

And he's too naive to understand it. Probably was basking in all the attention. And instead of just shutting the fuck up...he kept on talking.

Hell, if I put you in front of a microphone and keep asking questions that could lead to a controversial statement...sooner or later you're going to say SOMETHING that comes out bad.

This guy should have realized that, and shut his mouth. There was zero reason to be asked a question about blacks, and zero reason to give one. It was just the media looking for a sensational story.

Now the idiot will have every politician that took his side running from him as fast as they can for political reasons.
And THEN, the govt. can finish the job they started.

Smart move by the govt.
Dumb move by this rancher.

And big govt. wins again!

And all of you who just love the giant bureaucracy can now rejoice! And us poor stupid libertarians with all of our nonsense about something called freedom can just suck it.

bronco67 · 04-24-2014, 06:31 PM

Why is anyone surprised this guy is a flaming racist?

blackmonsters · 04-24-2014, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

The guy was never a "hero" to me.

He's just a guy.

The govt. IS too big and far too powerful. And the fact that they came in here with snipers, planes, and military-style overkill to begin with just shows that fact.

This guy is just a rancher. Nothing more, nothing less. And how the hell the subject of "black people" ever came up should give you a clue as to what the media was doing...they were trying to play "got ya" with him.

And he's too naive to understand it. Probably was basking in all the attention. And instead of just shutting the fuck up...he kept on talking.

Hell, if I put you in front of a microphone and keep asking questions that could lead to a controversial statement...sooner or later you're going to say SOMETHING that comes out bad.

This guy should have realized that, and shut his mouth. There was zero reason to be asked a question about blacks, and zero reason to give one. It was just the media looking for a sensational story.

Now the idiot will have every politician that took his side running from him as fast as they can for political reasons.
And THEN, the govt. can finish the job they started.

Smart move by the govt.
Dumb move by this rancher.

And big govt. wins again!

And all of you who just love the giant bureaucracy can now rejoice! And us poor stupid libertarians with all of our nonsense about something called freedom can just suck it.

Come on bro, you could ask 80 million people the same question and none of them will mention picking cotton as a current employment opportunity.

Vendzilla · 04-24-2014, 07:32 PM

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Why is anyone surprised this guy is a flaming racist?

Fuck you, you think anyone that hates Obama is a racist

SuckOnThis · 04-24-2014, 08:58 PM

Bundy/Nugent 2016

blackmonsters · 04-24-2014, 09:38 PM

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Bundy/Nugent 2016

Robbie · 04-24-2014, 10:16 PM

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Come on bro, you could ask 80 million people the same question and none of them will mention picking cotton as a current employment opportunity.

I don't even know what it is he said except something like: Blacks were better off in slavery or something dumb like that.

I heard some audio today on the radio as I was driving...and in CONTEXT of that audio, he said that the way black people were being thrown in jail by the govt. that they were better off as slaves.

I don't think he was being "racist", I think he was trying to make a point. But of course everybody was just waiting for him to say ANYTHING and he was toast.

Did you hear the actual thing he said in context? And is that what he did say? That with black men being thrown in jail so much they were better off as slaves?
If so, then he has a point. The percentage of young black men being imprisoned is outrageous. And in prison...hell, they may as well be in slavery.

Emil · 04-25-2014, 12:13 AM

Seems like he read "Land of the free" and took it literally.

bronco67 · 04-25-2014, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't even know what it is he said except something like: Blacks were better off in slavery or something dumb like that.

I heard some audio today on the radio as I was driving...and in CONTEXT of that audio, he said that the way black people were being thrown in jail by the govt. that they were better off as slaves.

I don't think he was being "racist", I think he was trying to make a point. But of course everybody was just waiting for him to say ANYTHING and he was toast.

Did you hear the actual thing he said in context? And is that what he did say? That with black men being thrown in jail so much they were better off as slaves?
If so, then he has a point. The percentage of young black men being imprisoned is outrageous. And in prison...hell, they may as well be in slavery.

Wouldn't being in jail be better than having to work all day, get whipped, have your women raped, get hung in a tree? Slaves didn't have a choice, and I don't how you could try to validate this clown's point in any way at all.

He was talking like someone who has never been around a black person before. He sounded like what an old white fart living in the Nevada desert would sound like. An ignorant old bastard is probably a better label.

More of the proof of racism comes from how he thinks about the "non-existence" of the government. The roots of that line of thinking come from post civil war southerners who didn't want the feds interfering with their horrible treatment of blacks -- and it's a legacy concept that white supremacy groups stick with today. Ask any white supremacist if he recognizes the US government. His response will sound something like this Bundy idiot.

sperbonzo · 04-25-2014, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

This just got a let better... This is what the rancher said:

Out fucking standing.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...#ixzz2zpNuhc7E

Is anyone interested in what he ACTUALLY said, in the version that was not edited to fit an agenda? Or do you all enjoy the propaganda that fits your world view?

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/uned...racist-remarks

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Vendzilla · 04-25-2014, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67

He was talking like someone who has never been around a black person before. He sounded like what an old white fart living in the Nevada desert would sound like. An ignorant old bastard is probably a better label.

Maybe he doesn't spend anytime around a black person, maybe he has only things like this to look at.

sperbonzo · 04-25-2014, 07:30 AM

Here is what he ACTUALLY said, without the editing to please the sheeple:

A new, unedited version of comments by Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy has emerged, and it sheds some light on the context of his remarks, universally condemned on Thursday as horrifically racist.

The 67-year-old Bundy, battling the U.S. government after federal agents stormed his ranch to confiscate his cattle in a dispute over grazing fees, said far more than what appeared in the New York Times and most other news accounts. While his grammar is pretty bad -- and his use of "negro" and "colored" considered politically incorrect (although they were both once preferred terms chosen by blacks) -- he actually was making a larger point, not simply deriding blacks.

In ahaYouTube video, he is filmed already in mid-sentence.ha

... and so what I've testified to you -- I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them.

We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

Those comments appear to change the context of the next section, which was quoted in the New York Times. One clear point the rancher made: America has progressed since the 1965 race riots and "we sure don't want to go back."ha

Here are the heavily quoted comments from Bundy that followed the above section edited out by most news organizations.

Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You know they didn’t get more freedom, they got less freedom -- they got less family life, and their happiness -- you could see it in their faces -- they wasn't happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips -- so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

But Bundy went on after saying that -- and again, his comments were edited out of most reports.

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know, I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people -- and I’ve worked side by side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.

So, Bundy thinks Hispanics are hard-working family people, and laments the current plight of American blacks under the federal welfare system while saying there has been much progress and that "we sure don't want to go back." As always, there's more to the story than what the New York Times says.

SuckOnThis · 04-25-2014, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I?ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You're actually defending this?

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04-23-2014, 07:31 AM	#74
Biggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,595	A little context on the bundy story... Clive bundy paid grazing fees for a while to the BLM, but then then the BLM was using money against the ranchers, to buy outstanding permits and make their life more difficult. His family grazed the land for years but however long ago they had a change of mind to protect the endangered desert tortoise, so he tried paying the county and other agencies who refused. Basically he refused to financially support an agency that was trying to put him out of business... But really when they determined he couldn't graze the land anymore I'm not so sure he was on the hook for grazing fees as he's not supposed to be there but imagine the govt showing up one day and kicking you off your own land or land you've been on for 100 years. Not saying he's right but it's still brutal, I certainly wouldn't paint the man as some ingrate.... The long and short of it is he wasn't trying to he a cheapskate and get out of fees, he simply didn't want to move and pay money to a govt agency trying to put him out of business. There's a history of the BLM selling land off to solar companies. While most of this has been linked to one specific company and that has been debunked pretty fairly, who knows what the true future use of the plans entail and if there is a hidden motive in trying to kick bundy off the land. Last edited by Biggy; 04-23-2014 at 07:45 AM..

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04-17-2014, 06:31 AM	#52
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04-22-2014, 10:21 AM	#69
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	http://www.8newsnow.com/story/253015...-under-scrutin "I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said. Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt. its bullshit imagine that !

04-22-2014, 10:31 AM	#70
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04-23-2014, 08:15 AM	#79
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Local TV Station Sheds Doubt On Bundy's Claims About His Family Ranch Cliven Bundy has trumpeted his "ancestral rights" in his land-use dispute with the federal government, but a report on Monday from a Nevada television station placed doubt on the defiant rancher's claims. KLAS in Las Vegas obtained property records showing that Bundy's parents purchased the family's ranch in 1948. The Bunkerville, Nev. ranch has been the site of a tense standoff with the federal government over Bundy's use of land managed by the Bureau of Land Management. Those records appear to contradict Bundy's own history of the ranch, as well as his biography. "I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy told KLAS before the government's round up began. The standoff has made Bundy a hero among conservatives like Sean Hannity. Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (R), who is showing solidarity with Bundy and the armed militias supporting him, said Friday that the federal government shouldn't "come here with guns and expect the American people not to fire back." Bundy said that his rights predate the formation of the Bureau of Land Management, and he has refused to pay more than $1 million in cattle grazing fees. "My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here," Bundy said. But court records obtained by KLAS indicated the family's cattle didn't begin grazing the land until 1954. The Bureau of Land Management was created in 1946 (the same year Cliven Bundy was born.) Source

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sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,743	Here is what he ACTUALLY said, without the editing to please the sheeple: A new, unedited version of comments by Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy has emerged, and it sheds some light on the context of his remarks, universally condemned on Thursday as horrifically racist. The 67-year-old Bundy, battling the U.S. government after federal agents stormed his ranch to confiscate his cattle in a dispute over grazing fees, said far more than what appeared in the New York Times and most other news accounts. While his grammar is pretty bad -- and his use of "negro" and "colored" considered politically incorrect (although they were both once preferred terms chosen by blacks) -- he actually was making a larger point, not simply deriding blacks. In ahaYouTube video, he is filmed already in mid-sentence.ha ... and so what I've testified to you -- I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them. We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way. Those comments appear to change the context of the next section, which was quoted in the New York Times. One clear point the rancher made: America has progressed since the 1965 race riots and "we sure don't want to go back."ha Here are the heavily quoted comments from Bundy that followed the above section edited out by most news organizations. Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy? You know they didn’t get more freedom, they got less freedom -- they got less family life, and their happiness -- you could see it in their faces -- they wasn't happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips -- so that’s all government, that’s not freedom. But Bundy went on after saying that -- and again, his comments were edited out of most reports. Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know, I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people -- and I’ve worked side by side a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party. So, Bundy thinks Hispanics are hard-working family people, and laments the current plight of American blacks under the federal welfare system while saying there has been much progress and that "we sure don't want to go back." As always, there's more to the story than what the New York Times says. __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber