Republican Gov. of OK Mary Fallin, wants to tax sunshine

[crockett]

Yep you heard it here first. The Gov. of Oklahoma, Mary Fallin is expected to pass a law this week taxing people whom use Solar & wind to produce power. It seems Arizona is doing something similar but they call it a fee and the power company gets to collect it and call it profits.

http://news.yahoo.com/worlds-dumbest...111300623.html

Gotta love these Republican Governors, I guess they don't sign the same deal about no new taxes as their big brothers in DC do... Wonder why the tea baggers aren't all up in arms about this? Did Fox news forget to mention it and tell them to be outraged?

[2MuchMark]

Attention GFY Republicans: Crockett has proven my case.

Goodnight!

[Klen]

I dont see nothing unusual in this,republicans are oil people so this is perfectly natural to expect.

[Phoenix]

I just read it it quickly but it seems they are taxing people who will be selling the energy back? This seems reasonable as it will be a source of income for them.

Did i read it wrong?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I just read it it quickly but it seems they are taxing people who will be selling the energy back? This seems reasonable as it will be a source of income for them.

Did i read it wrong?

No, you are right and it is reasonable. crockett isn't

[ctggls]

They are preparing to do this in the EU also. Fist they subsidized production of household solar energy and now they want to tax it... guess the state always wins )

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by baddog

No, you are right and it is reasonable. crockett isn't

since when new taxes are ''reasonable'' ???

[MaDalton]

if it's their (side) business producing and selling energy, it should be simply treated as such and taxed like any other business too. no extra laws needed.

[TheSquealer]

Oh look, liberals are all upset about taxing income. If only we could keep that going......

[Sly]

Originally Posted by **********

Attention GFY Republicans: Crockett has proven my case.

Goodnight!

I just want to be 100% clear that I understand your viewpoint.

You are against taxing income. Awesome. We finally agree on something!

[Rochard]

I bet this will become more common. Our government gets a lot of money in taxes in gas. With fuel economy increasing and more electric cars coming on line, a lot less money is being paid in taxes....

Holy shit, taxing sunshine. What's next.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

No, you are right and it is reasonable. crockett isn't

So you find it ok that in Nevada for example, the state govt made a law that allows the power company to charge a fee because you use less power due to creating it yourself via sun or wind? It's odd the excuses people come up with when their team is the one doing the taxing but when it's the other side oh boy the outrage flows.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if it's their (side) business producing and selling energy, it should be simply treated as such and taxed like any other business too. no extra laws needed.

Why is the power company being paid the tax then, in the case of Nevada?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why is the power company being paid the tax then, in the case of Nevada?

Your article and thread are about Oklahoma.

Why are you changing topics?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Oh look, liberals are all upset about taxing income. If only we could keep that going......

No we are showing the hypocrisy of the Right. You guys bitch and moan at every little tax from the Federal govt, when it's so called liberals doing it, yet will turn a blind eye when it's Republican state governors doing it.

The same shit goes on in FL. So called anti tax Republicans have created fees for this like license plates. In FL you used to have to pay $100 fee if you registered a car with a out of state title. The courts said that was unconstitutional, so what did the Republican governor do? He signed a law charging everyone a $200 fee to buy a license plate. On top of this it costs me over $60 a year to renew the tag. In MA it costs $50 for the tags and $50 for a 2 year renewal. Even paying the inspection fee and the state tax on the car, it's cheaper than registering in FL.

FL also passed all kind of laws allowing power companies to subsidize their profits by charging home owners all types of fees. My electric bill when I'm staying is FL has over 50% in fees and usually the fees cost more than the electric I used. In MA for instance a so called liberal hell hold, my condo electric bill was always under $60/month.

[WDF]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I bet this will become more common. Our government gets a lot of money in taxes in gas. With fuel economy increasing and more electric cars coming on line, a lot less money is being paid in taxes....

Holy shit, taxing sunshine. What's next.

Wait for that tax on air.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

FL also passed all kind of laws allowing power companies to subsidize their profits by charging home owners all types of fees. My electric bill when I'm staying is FL has over 50% in fees and usually the fees cost more than the electric I used. In MA for instance a so called liberal hell hold, my condo electric bill was always under $60/month.

well... good thing you live in a van!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why is the power company being paid the tax then, in the case of Nevada?

i said how it should be - not how it is...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Sly

Your article and thread are about Oklahoma.

Why are you changing topics?

I brought up both Nevada and OK and the article covers both. Stop reading headlines and start reading content..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

well... good thing you live in a van!

I have solar on my van...

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I just read it it quickly but it seems they are taxing people who will be selling the energy back? This seems reasonable as it will be a source of income for them.

Did i read it wrong?

It's for people who generate their own power and sell excess power to the power company. That already falls under income tax. This new tax is on top of that and goes to the power companies for use of their grid (as if that wasn't already factored into the amount they pay!).

This is essentially like the government saying content producers have to pay a tax to the paysite owners.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

Attention GFY Republicans: Crockett has proven my case.

Goodnight!

what is your case and where was it proven?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by crockett

I brought up both Nevada and OK and the article covers both. Stop reading headlines and start reading content..

I read your article. Did not see Nevada. I ran a search for Nevada. Did not find Nevada. I then read your article again. Still did not see Nevada.

By the way, this was pushed through near unanimously in Oklahoma. So yeah, sure, Oklahoma would be predominately Republican. Boy does it suck when the ruling party pushes through laws and regulations. Sounds eerily familiar? where do I know this concept from?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

This is essentially like the government saying content producers have to pay a tax to the paysite owners.

This is really what it is, in the case of Nevada. As far as OK it would be them paying a second tax on the income to the govt. It's rather funny to see the excuses coming from the guys that always support the right trying to justify this. You can bet if it was Obama doing it they would be flipping out.

[faxxaff]

They should start a sunshine tax in the London and Shanghai. People will volunteer to pay tax to see the sun.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Oh look, liberals are all upset about taxing income. If only we could keep that going......

It is NOT an income tax, but a special '' duistribution '' tax . Once that paid, the producer of that solar energy will still have to add the income on his annual return ...

But, it is ok, glad to see that republicans finally see that taxation can be good !!!

[MK Ultra]

Originally Posted by crockett

Yep you heard it here first. The Gov. of Oklahoma, Mary Fallin is expected to pass a law this week taxing people whom use Solar & wind to produce power. It seems Arizona is doing something similar but they call it a fee and the power company gets to collect it and call it profits.

http://news.yahoo.com/worlds-dumbest...111300623.html

Gotta love these Republican Governors, I guess they don't sign the same deal about no new taxes as their big brothers in DC do... Wonder why the tea baggers aren't all up in arms about this? Did Fox news forget to mention it and tell them to be outraged?

OK so let's take a look at this.

The bill, known as S.B. 1456

Now here is a little information that seems to have been left out of the OP

http://openstates.org/ok/bills/2013-2014/SB1456/

One of the co-authors of the bill is... a democrat
http://openstates.org/ok/legislators/OKL000125/

which sailed to passage on a near unanimous vote after no debate

Passed unanimously by the Senate
http://openstates.org/ok/votes/OKV00010301/

look at all those democrats voting yes.



Not quite so unanimous in the House, 5 democrats actually voted against it
http://openstates.org/ok/votes/OKV00010662/

but the rest of the democrats voted for it

So it seems to me that it's a pretty bi-partisan bill, but since it will be signed into law by an evil republican governer I guess those facts are irrelevant.


My Conclusion:





Get over the partisanship, vote them ALL out.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

since when new taxes are ''reasonable'' ???

So, if there is a new product and it is taxed, that makes it a new tax?

Originally Posted by crockett

So you find it ok that in Nevada for example, the state govt made a law that allows the power company to charge a fee because you use less power due to creating it yourself via sun or wind? It's odd the excuses people come up with when their team is the one doing the taxing but when it's the other side oh boy the outrage flows.

WTF does your article have to do with NV?

Originally Posted by crockett

Why is the power company being paid the tax then, in the case of Nevada?

As you have posted no links to anything about NV I will make an educated guess and suggest it is because they are using the power company's infrastructure.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by baddog

So, if there is a new product and it is taxed, that makes it a new tax?

no, it makes it an old tax ....

... and your point was ?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

no, it makes it an old tax ....

... and your point was ?

It isn't a new tax.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Red herring argument:

Ctrl +find type 'income'
not found on http://news.yahoo.com/worlds-dumbest...111300623.html

Income tax on a power generation business yes you just need to declare the income and depreciate the mechanical assets with other current expenses deducted from the income.

So, the buyer of the power sends you a check and a 1099.

The excise and sales taxes are passed through in the consumers energy bill. The excise and sales taxes are paid that way -- the state and feds get their cut .

This is not a Repukelican or Democrap issue -- this is an asinine law corruption issue.

[L-Pink]

You Democrats bitch and moan about "Republicans" but don't have the foresight to see it's BOTH parties fucking up the US. It's like arguing about who's cancer isn't as bad.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by baddog

It isn't a new tax.

lol ...... a tax for power delivered to the grid by normal folks is NOT a new tax ...

And even if it is an '' OLD '' tax , how can that be OK with you republicans ???

Were you OK with the end of the BUSH tax cuts ( not a new tax ) resulting in a rollback to the former rate ...

That certainly was not a NEW tax ..

Your position is simple indefendable, just your senelity prevents you from seing it

[bronco67]

You should be incentivized to use alternative forms of energy.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Sly

I read your article. Did not see Nevada. I ran a search for Nevada. Did not find Nevada. I then read your article again. Still did not see Nevada.

By the way, this was pushed through near unanimously in Oklahoma. So yeah, sure, Oklahoma would be predominately Republican. Boy does it suck when the ruling party pushes through laws and regulations. Sounds eerily familiar? where do I know this concept from?

It was Arizona.. I said NV, but it was AZ..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You Democrats bitch and moan about "Republicans" but don't have the foresight to see it's BOTH parties fucking up the US. It's like arguing about who's cancer isn't as bad.

Of course it's both parties, however people here on this forum seem to believe the BS that Republicans are for less taxes. I'm showing that in reality they tax people more than the left on the state level.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

Of course it's both parties, however people here on this forum seem to believe the BS that Republicans are for less taxes. I'm showing that in reality they tax people more than the left on the state level.

Really? Thats what you are showing? You picked a random piece of legislation that no one knew about to make a point that 1/2 of the country are liars and hypocrites... and you think you've not only proven a pattern but made a rock solid argument?

[mineistaken]

Nice how Op got bitchslapped in backfire
These fools (crocket + **********) will go overboard trying to dig something negative about republicans
And the "scandalous" thread title

[kane]

I for one am shocked that the party of small government and less taxes in creating a new tax.

Oh wait, I guess I'm not really.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Nice how Op got bitchslapped in backfire
These fools (crocket + **********) will go overboard trying to dig something negative about republicans
And the "scandalous" thread title

Where do you see bitch slap? I see people trying to make excuses for why it's ok for these Republican governors to sign off on taxing sunshine..

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by crockett

Yep you heard it here first. The Gov. of Oklahoma, Mary Fallin is expected to pass a law this week taxing people whom use Solar & wind to produce power. It seems Arizona is doing something similar but they call it a fee and the power company gets to collect it and call it profits.

http://news.yahoo.com/worlds-dumbest...111300623.html

Gotta love these Republican Governors, I guess they don't sign the same deal about no new taxes as their big brothers in DC do... Wonder why the tea baggers aren't all up in arms about this? Did Fox news forget to mention it and tell them to be outraged?

When are those who one to choose one side or the other going to figure out that it doesn't matter which side of the two party paradigm you chose both sides are in it for the same thing. To find ways of extracting as much cash as they can from everyone else. The better you are at conjuring up a scheme to do so and selling it to your other scheming cohorts the better you are a politician and the more you will profit then and afterwards.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

Where do you see bitch slap? I see people trying to make excuses for why it's ok for these Republican governors to sign off on taxing sunshine..

To tax income.
And add retardation to the list if you still stick to title like "tax the sunshine"

[tony286]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Really? Thats what you are showing? You picked a random piece of legislation that no one knew about to make a point that 1/2 of the country are liars and hypocrites... and you think you've not only proven a pattern but made a rock solid argument?

And its ok with you they are doing this is discourage people from being independent on big energy? How does Koch Brother cock taste? lol

Only want a free market when it suits us.

[dyna mo]

If you want to be independent from big energy, then take your solar panels off their grid.


problem solved.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

If you want to be independent from big energy, then take your solar panels off their grid.


problem solved.

you got it

And when the Power Utility will need extra power during peak hours, they can ... burn coal or oil ...

Amazing how you cannot see the big picture here .

PS: We had, this cold winter, to import power from our neighboors and even buy back Kw from industries that we sell it too, at a very hefty premium ..

Gazette article

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

you got it

And when the Power Utility will need extra power during peak hours, they can ... burn coal or oil ...

Amazing how you cannot see the big picture here .

[/URL]

Amazing how you can't sort out what I wrote. I stated if you want to be independent of big power and their fees take your panels off their grid.

Notice how I didn't say anything about anything else, like saving the planet with your 3 solar panels. Or getting Oklahoma off big oil (fucking lolz) or anything other than a solution to shut up the whiners bitching about a fee to be on the grid.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

you got it

And when the Power Utility will need extra power during peak hours, they can ... burn coal or oil ...

Amazing how you cannot see the big picture here .

That's not how the system works.

James Hughes, CEO of solar panel maker First Solar:::::::::

Small solar-system owners benefit significantly from ?net energy metering,? an arrangement that allows rooftop solar owners to generate more electricity than they can use at any one time, transmit that electricity to the grid and get credit for it when the sun isn?t shining.

In other words, customers who benefit from net energy metering as it is currently implemented are able to use the transmission and distribution grid as a giant virtual battery, ?storing? the excess energy they generate during the day until they need it when they aren?t generating.



Use the power co's grid- pay the fee. I don't like it anymore than anyone else. However, I realized a long time ago power co's are going to charge the consumers and the local gov is in bed with that.

Hell, right here right now in socal the power co is shutting down a nuke plant early due to mangement and operational errors- the cost of this mismanagement will be $3.5 billion dollars, which will be passed on to consumers.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

That's not how the system works.

You are wasting your energy. These guys have been so brainwashed into thinking left vs right that they find it inconceivable that another person can have views that don't fit within those two groups.

We already have strong mentions of Republicans, Bush and the Koch Brothers, all we need now is a mention of Fox News and our day will be complete.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sly

You are wasting your energy.

That's excess energy I've generated that I've uploaded to the GFY grid for storage.

I plan to use it at a later date, most likely when ********** stops back by and says something **********-like.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Sly

You are wasting your energy. These guys have been so brainwashed into thinking left vs right that they find it inconceivable that another person can have views that don't fit within those two groups.

We already have strong mentions of Republicans, Bush and the Koch Brothers, all we need now is a mention of Fox News and our day will be complete.

right again !!!! ( as always ) ....

Here is directly from the OP link :

The bill, known as S.B. 1456, will specifically target those who install power generation systems on their property and sell the excess energy back to the grid. However, those who already have such renewable systems installed will not be affected

Still, it?s the new customers who will rapidly make up the majority, even in a traditional oil-and-gas powerhouse like Oklahoma. That?s because the cost of solar power systems has been drastically falling for the last five years. Solar installations nationwide are going to shoot up to an estimated 45 gigawatts in 2014, a new record, and are projected to grow even more in coming years as solar prices fall further and fossil fuel extraction gets harder and more expensive.

Now, utility firms in Oklahoma say they just want to be compensated for use of their infrastructure. But renewable energy fed back into the grid is ultimately doing utility companies a service. Solar generates in the daytime, when demand for electricity is highest, thereby alleviating pressure during peak demand.

sell = storage : no
compensated = storage : no


please explain your issues with '' views '' ....