Americans : You need gun control

[2MuchMark]

Too many Gun nuts are getting too many guns. You guys need to push back against the NRA's incredibly bad "advice" and demand tough gun laws, background checks, limits on the types of guns (no one needs assault rifles for fucksakes), and when and where you can carry guns.

Cases in point:

45 People Shot in Chicago this past easter:
http://www.blacknews.com/news/chicag...l#.U1gSk15Mm3B

OK to carry guns into bars, some government buildings and places of worship in GA:
http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/...a4bcf6878.html

and

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...ng-gun-rights/

And then there was these guys playing Militia last week during the Bundy Cattle thing:



Is all of this really necessary? Really? Don't you think things are just a little bit out of control? Wouldn't the world be a better place if you could swap your guns for flowers? (My brother hates it when I say that lol!)

[EddyTheDog]

Don't tell them they can't have guns - Tell them they have to have guns - The gun nuts will hand them in so fast - "Don't you tell me I have to have a gun..."...

[baddog]

Prince - you need to spend more time worrying about Canada and forget about telling us what we do or do not need. Idiot.

[dillonaire]

Its not like we are hurting for people.

[DWB]

You're right. Do you want to buy mine?

[dillonaire]

the real killer is fast food and unhealthy diets and people eating like shit. Total deaths from diabetes, cancer, and heart disease are in the millions and most of this is due to unhealthy diets, processed foods and lack of exercise.

US deaths from guns 19,392. drop in the bucket and some of these people deserved to get shot.

We spend millions so people dont text and drive, but we could careless about what people eat and that is the real killer in the US.

[HelmutKohl]

Prince is right, no one needs AR15 to practice shooting on weekends. US, wake up before the last person gets shot in the name of freedom. NRA kills american kids. Now you can flame me with all your obsession with guns

[Best-In-BC]

lol, good logic, did your mommy tell you to say that.

[TFCash]

When deaths from guns hit the top 5 we'll start to worry about having too many! As it sit's, its not even in the top 20

Your next post should be a picture of a bunch of fat people sitting around a McD's table snarfing on big mac's and fries, sucking down a gallon of coke and topping it off with a ice cream flurry and asking the question, when is enough ???

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by HelmutKohl

Prince is right, no one needs AR15 to practice shooting on weekends. US, wake up before the last person gets shot in the name of freedom. NRA kills american kids. Now you can flame me with all your obsession with guns

No, ********** is wrong.

You and he both mention the NRA like it's the be-all end-all reason for guns in the USA and that fundamentally misses the core facts, which are

1. America was built on guns, from the beginning. we design em, we built a shit load of em and we shoot em. We always have, way before the NRA even.

2. We like #1 so much we had the right to do that written into our constitution as a BUILDING BLOCK OF THIS COUNTRY over 240 years ago, again, way before the NRA.

[dillonaire]

i need guns to protect my food from fat people. Ohhhh wait my fridge is filled with fresh veggies and fruit. they are scared of that shit.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by baddog

Prince - you need to spend more time worrying about Canada and forget about telling us what we do or do not need. Idiot.

Well put

[iSpyCams]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...worse/2139421/

[iSpyCams]

Personally I am controlling as many guns as I can afford to right now, when I have some extra cash for new toys I will control a few more.

[Barry-xlovecam]

You are wrong: we need crazy mofo control and better self discipline about solving disputes.

Take away our guns and we will just find other ways that are fatally violent to settle disputes or wreak havoc ...

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by **********

Too many Gun nuts are getting too many guns. You guys need to push back against the NRA's incredibly bad "advice" and demand tough gun laws, background checks, limits on the types of guns (no one needs assault rifles for fucksakes), and when and where you can carry guns.

Cases in point:

45 People Shot in Chicago this past easter:
http://www.blacknews.com/news/chicag...l#.U1gSk15Mm3B

OK to carry guns into bars, some government buildings and places of worship in GA:
http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/...a4bcf6878.html

and

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...ng-gun-rights/

And then there was these guys playing Militia last week during the Bundy Cattle thing:



Is all of this really necessary? Really? Don't you think things are just a little bit out of control? Wouldn't the world be a better place if you could swap your guns for flowers? (My brother hates it when I say that lol!)

Chicago has the toughest gun control laws in the country, guess those laws are not doing much.

Georgia is just fine.

The Bundy cattle stand off is EXACTLY why we have the 2nd Amendment.

And really, when you live here your opinion might mean something, right now, worry about your own fucking country

[baddog]

Originally Posted by HelmutKohl

Prince is right, no one needs AR15 to practice shooting on weekends. US, wake up before the last person gets shot in the name of freedom. NRA kills american kids. Now you can flame me with all your obsession with guns

Got to love how outsiders think they know better; I seem to recall something about Nazis and The Netherlands not all that long ago. Maybe you guys should rethink your position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Netherlands

[dyna mo]

This is a list of Old West gunfighters, referring to outlaws or lawmen, of the American frontier who gained fame or notoriety during the American Wild West or Old West.

A gunfighter may or may not be an outlaw or a lawman.

An outlaw had usually been convicted of a crime such as Black Bart, but may have only gained a reputation as operating outside the law such as Ike Clanton.

Some of those listed may have also served in law enforcement like Marshal Burt Alvord who subsequently became an outlaw, and some outlaws like Johnny Ringo were deputized at one time or another.

Some of the gunfighters listed included professional scouts, businessmen, or even doctors.

A[edit]
John Hicks Adams (1820?1878)
Burt Alvord (1866???)
Robert Clay Allison (1840?1887)
David L. "Billy Wilson" Anderson (1862?1918)
Charlie Anderson (1844?1868)
B[edit]
Cullen Baker (1839?1869)
Ben Cartwright[disambiguation needed] (1825?1910)
Seaborn Barnes (1849??1878)
Richard H. "Rattlesnake Dick" Bartar (1833?1859)
Sam Bass (1851?1878)
"Queen" Ann Bassett (1878?1956)
Josie Bassett (1874?1964)
Charlie Bassett (c.1847?1896)
Tom Bell (1825?1856)
Jules Beni (???1861)
John Billee (???1890)
William "Tulsa Jack" Blake (c.1859?1895)
Dan Bogan (1860???)
Charles "Black Bart" Bolles (1829???)
N. K. Boswell (1836?1921)
Joaquin Botellier (??-??)(member of the Five Joaquins gang)
Charlie Bowdre (1848?1880)
Richard M. "Dick" Brewer (1850-1878)
William "Curly Bill" Brocius (c.1845?1882)
William L. "Buffalo Bill" Brooks (c.1832?1874)
Henry Newton Brown (1857?1884)
Rufus Buck (???1896)
John Bull (1836?1929)
Seth Bullock (Marshal) (1849-1919)
Laura "Della Rose" Bullion (aka "The Rose of the Wild Bunch") (1876?1961)
Frederick Russell Burnham (1861?1947)
Charlie "Dutch Charley" Burris (???1881)
Reuben "Rube" Burrow (1856?1890)
C[edit]
Archie Clement (January 1, 1846 ? December 13, 1866)
Frank M. Canton (aka Josiah Horner) (1849?1927)
"Laughing" Sam Carey (aka Laughing Dick Carey) (?????)
Joaquin Carrillo (??-??)(member of the Five Joaquins gang)
William "News" Carver (1868?1901)
Butch Cassidy(1866?1908)
Jose Chavez y Chavez (1851?1924)
Ned Christie (1852?1892)
Billy Claiborne (1860?1882)
Billy Clanton (1862?1881)
Ike Clanton (1847?1887)
"Dynamite" Dan Clifton (1865?c.1896)
Theodore Clifton (1844?1868)
Frank Coe (1851-1931)
George Coe (1856-1941)
Chunk Colbert (???1874)
Shotgun John Collins (1851?1922)
George Contant (1864 - year of death unknown), brother of John Sontag
Scott Cooley (1845?1876)
Brack Cornett (1859?1888)
Gregorio Cortez (1875?1916)
Juan Cortina (aka "The Red Robber of the Rio Grande") (1824?1894)
"Longhair" Jim Courtright (1848?1887)
George "Flatnose" Curry (1864?1900) (not to be confused with George Manuse aka "Big Nose George Parrott")
D[edit]
Bob Dalton (1868?1892)
Emmett Dalton (1871?1937)
Gratton "Grat" Dalton (1861?1892)
William M. Dalton (1866?1894)
John Daly (1839?1864)
Ben Daniels (1852-1923)
Pancho Daniel (???1858)
Roy Daugherty (aka Arkansas Tom Jones) (1870?1924)
Jackson "Diamondfield Jack" Davis (1879?1949)
Jonathan R. Davis
Pat Desmond (1842?1890)
Charles "Pony" Diehl (?????)
Cornelius "Lame Johnny" Donahue (1850?1879)
Bill Doolin (1858?1896)
Mart Duggan (1848?1888)
Rose "Rose of the Cimarron" Dunn (1879?-1953?)
William B. Dunn (???1896)
E[edit]
Warren Earp (March 9, 1855 ? July 6, 1900)
Wyatt Earp (1848?1929)
Virgil Earp (1843-1905)
Morgan Earp (1851-1882)
Chris Evans (1847?1917)
Jesse Evans (1853???)
F[edit]
John Fisher "King" (1854?1884)
Juan Flores (1834 ? 1857)
Friedrich "Plug" Fluger (aka "Colonel Fluger") (???c. 1868)
Tom O'Folliard (c. 1858 ? 1880)
Charles Wilson "Charley" Ford (1857?1884)
Robert Newton Ford (1862?1892)
Jim French (??-??)
G[edit]
Lige Gardner (c.1846?c.1901)
Pliney Gardner (c.1835-1893)
Patrick "Pat" Floyd Garrett (1850?1908)
John Joel Glanton (1819?1851)
Crawford "Cherokee Bill" Goldsby (1876?1896)
Dick Gosset (?-1869)
H[edit]
Devil Anse Hatfield (1839-1921)
John Wesley Hardin (1853?1895)
Pearl Hart (c.1871???)
Haskay-bay-nay-ntayl "The Apache Kid" (c.1860???)
Marion Hedgepeth (1856?1909)
Boone Helm (aka "The Kentucky Cannibal") (1828?1864)
James "Wild Bill" Hickok (1837?1876)
John "Pink" Higgins (1848?1914)
Robert Woodson "Wood" Hite (c.1850?1881)
Thomas J. "Tom Bell" Hodges (aka "The Outlaw Doc") (1825?1856)
John Henry "Doc" Holliday (1851?1887)
Tom Horn (1860?1903)
I[edit]
Rufus Henry Ingram (1834???)
John "Red" Irving (?-1851)
J[edit]
Frank Jackson (1856?1930?)
Frank James (1843-1915)
Jesse James (1847-1882)
Henry Jerrell (1845?1868)
K[edit]
Thomas "Black Jack" Ketchum (1863?1901)
Henry "Billy the Kid" McCarty (1859?1881)
Ben "Tall Texan" Kilpatrick
Jeff Kidder (1875-1908)
Sandy King (1852??1881)
John Kinney (1847?1919)
L[edit]
Elzy Lay (1868?1934)
Buckskin Frank Leslie (1848??1930?)
James Andrew "Dick" Liddil (1829?1905)
Pío Linares (???1857)
Harvey "Kid Curry" Logan (1867-1904)
" Steve" Long (??1868)
Harry "Sundance Kid" Longabaugh (1863?1908?)
"Wild Bill" Longley (1851?1877)
Frank Loving (1860-1882)
M[edit]
Chris Madsen (1851?1944)
George "Big Nose George Parrott" Manuse (aka "George Warden") (???1881)
Alfred Marlow (1862-1889)
Boone Marlow (1864-1889)
Charles Marlow (1850-1941)
Geroge Marlow (1865-1945)
Lewellyn Marlow (????-1889)
Martha Jane Keeton Marlow, Sons of Mother (1827 - 1907)
John Mason (???1866)
Bat Masterson (1853?1921)
Mysterious Dave Mather (1851?1886?)
Benjamin Mayfield (1831?187?)
Tom McCauley aka, James "Jim" Henry (???1865)
William J. McClosky (????-1878)
Lucas McCain (1838-1899)
Sherman McMaster (1853?c. 1892)
Frank McNab (??-1878)
William McWaters (1844-1875)
Bob Meeks (??-1912?)
John Middleton (c. 1854?c. 1885)
Michael "Texas Tom" Miles (1866?1888)
Jim "Killer" Miller (1866?1909)
Jeff Davis Milton (1861?1947)
Bill Miner (1847?1913)
John J. Moore (1847?1868)
William "Outlaw Bill" Moore (?????)
Jim Murphy (1861?1879)
Joaquin Murrieta (c. 1830?1853)
L.H. Musgrove (???1868)
N[edit]
George "Bittercreek" Newcomb (1866?1895)
Nick Barkley (1860?1915)
O[edit]
Joaquin Ocomorenia (member of the Five Joaquins gang)
Edward Capehart O'Kelley (1858?1904)
"Cool Hand Conor" O'Neill (1865?1888)
Michael "Johnny Behind the Deuce" O'Rourke (1862?1882)
Commodore Perry Owens (1852-1919)
P[edit]
Tom Pickett (1858?1934)
Salomon Pico (1821?1860)
Charley Pierce (c. 1866?May 2, 1895)
Thomas Bell Poole (1818 - 1865)
Jack Powers (1827?1860)
Procopio (c. 1841?c. 1880)
Q[edit]
Queho (1880?c. 1940)
R[edit]
Nathanial "Texas Jack" Reed (1862?1950)
James C. Reed (1845??1874), husband of Belle Starr
Bass Reeves deputy U.S. Marshal (1832-1910)
Frank Reno (1837?1868)
Simeon Reno (1843?1868)
William Reno (1848?1868)
James "Jim" Riley (1853???)
Johnny Ringo (1850?1882)
Porter Rockwell (1813 or 1815?1878)
Vincente Romero (??-??)
Charles Roseberry (1843?1868)
Dave Rudabaugh (1854?1886)
Charles L. Ruggles (1870?1892) and John D. Ruggles (1859?1892), the "Ruggles Brothers"
S[edit]
Jack Slade (January 22, 1831 - March 10, 1864)
Yginio Salazar (1863-1936)
Ab Saunders (1851-1883)
George Scarborough (1859-1900)
John Scroggins (??-??)
Doc Scurlock (1849?1929)
John Selman (1839?1896)
Luke Short (1854?1893)
Cyrus Skinner (???1864)
George "Reelfoot Williams" Skinner (???1856)
Adelbert "Bertie" Denton Slye, member of the Slye-Wilson gang, aka the "Hedgepeth Four"[1][2][3][4]
Adelbert Slye, "Jim" Francis and "Dink" Wilson

"Tiger Sam" Smith (??-??)
Jefferson Randolph "Soapy Smith" Smith (1860?1898)
John Sontag (1861-1893)
Frank Sparks (1841?1868)
"Little Bill" Standifer
Myra Maybelle Shirley Reed "Belle Starr" Starr (1848?1889)
Henry Starr (1873?1921)
Tom "Uncle Tom" Starr (1813?1890)
Matt "Steiny" Steinmueller (??-??)
"Dirty Steve" Stephens (18??-??)
Frank Stilwell (c 1856?1882)
Charlie Storms (18??-1881)
Dallas Stoudenmire (1845?1882)
T[edit]
William "Russian Bill" Tattenbaum (1853?1881)
Jack Taylor (1884?1887)
Heck Thomas (1850-1912)
Ben Thompson (1842?1884)
Billy Thompson (1845-1897)
Tom Threepersons (1889?1969)
Bill Tilghman (1854?1924)
Harry Tracy (1874?1902)
Dangerous Dan Tucker (1849-??)
U[edit]
Francisco Ulibarri (??-??) - Comanche Indian
David "Big Dave" Updyke (1830?1866)
V[edit]
Joaquin Valenzuela (???1856)(member of the Five Joaquins gang)
Tiburcio Vasquez (1835?1875)
Henry Clay ?Hank? Vaughan (1849?1893)
"Texas" Jack Vermillion (1842?1911)
José Doroteo ?Pancho Villa? Arango Arámbula (1878-1923)
W[edit]
Fred Waite (1853-1895)
William "Bronco Bill" Walters (1869?1933?)
John Joshua Webb (1847?1882)
Richard "Little Dick" West (1860?1898)
Henry Clay White (???1900?)
Lucius R. "Dink Wilson" (??-1894), member of the Slye-Wilson gang[4]
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Y[edit]
Jim Younger (January 15, 1848 - October 19, 1902)
Milt Yarberry (1849-1883)
Bob Younger (1853?1889)
Cole Younger (1844?1916)
Z[edit]
Robert Zachary (??-??)
Francisco Zamora (??-??)

[HelmutKohl]

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by baddog

...I seem to recall something about Nazis and The Netherlands not all that long ago...

Come on you're not that old - We need a rule about how far we can dig back in history to make a point...

[dyna mo]

Moreover, the focus on Chicago is misrepresented.


According to the FBI, Chicago?s homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 7.1. So, for every 100,000 people living in the Chicago area, roughly 7 were murdered.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...abledatadecpdf

According to Wiki, the world murder rate is 6.9 per 100,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

[L-Pink]

Blow me.

[brassmonkey]

already have gun control. people are going to get upset and kill. the chicago deal is over money. police know the dope spots crime makes money

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

...So, for every 100,000 people living in the Chicago area, roughly 7 were murdered....

But that was in the last 24 hours...

JK - Sorry.....

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Blow me.

How hard?..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by baddog

Prince - you need to spend more time worrying about Canada Idiot.

Such as the murder rate in these Canadian territories? 2x as bad as Chicago in nunavut

[Jman]

Originally Posted by baddog

Prince - you need to spend more time worrying about Canada and forget about telling us what we do or do not need. Idiot.

Man after all these years Prince can still rattle your cage on a board called GFY. And you call HIM the idiot.

There's something I don't get here

[CyberHustler]

Yall Canadian niggas worry bout a lot of shit that dont concern yall. Dont yall niggas got hobbies and shit? Fuck wrong with yall?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Yall Canadian niggas worry bout a lot of shit that dont concern yall. Dont yall niggas got hobbies and shit? Fuck wrong with yall?

not to mention they got all that good beer and weed, you'd think they'd be more chill, let people be people.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

But that was in the last 24 hours...

JK - Sorry.....

well, they do tend to go on murder sprees there, it seems, so depending on when you typed that, you may be right.

[JA$ON]

There are PLENTY of countries with PLENTY of guns that don't kill each other the way we do in the US. I think we have 10k murders a year? France, Norway etc...just a handful (literally). You will never keep a criminal who wants to get a gun and do harm from doing so. I think the REAL question is not how to cut back on guns, but what is it about the US has has everyone killing at the drop of a hat

I HATE guns. I don't like them, I don't have one or feel at all comfortable around them. But thats MY choice, just as I feel owning a gun (or 20) is anyone else's choice.

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by HelmutKohl

so, do you think these gang members will adhere to new laws when they aren't paying attention to the existing laws? Guess who is without protection from these gang members...those following the law...maybe if law enforcement in this country was a little more effective, then citizens could use their guns for recreational purposes only rather than a combination of recreation and protection.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by baddog

Prince - you need to spend more time worrying about Canada and forget about telling us what we do or do not need. Idiot.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JA$ON

There are PLENTY of countries with PLENTY of guns that don't kill each other the way we do in the US. I think we have 10k murders a year? France, Norway etc...just a handful (literally). You will never keep a criminal who wants to get a gun and do harm from doing so. I think the REAL question is not how to cut back on guns, but what is it about the US has has everyone killing at the drop of a hat

I HATE guns. I don't like them, I don't have one or feel at all comfortable around them. But thats MY choice, just as I feel owning a gun (or 20) is anyone else's choice.

it's our culture, that's why I posted that list of legendary gunslingers. good guys or bad, if they slung a gun, we put em on a pedestal and give em a place in history.

[escorpio]

Canada needs MORE guns. Pussies.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

The Bundy cattle stand off is EXACTLY why we have the 2nd Amendment.

Come on.. guns were not necessary. Bundy is a welfare cowboy who racked up a milliion dollars worth of fees, fines and penalties, all of which all other ranchers have to pay too. If he doesn't like the law, all he has to do is fight it in court.

You're telling me that guns and snipers with rifles pointing at the heads of the sheriff was really necessary? Bundy's case has nothing at all to do with the second amendment.

Originally Posted by OldJeff

And really, when you live here your opinion might mean something, right now, worry about your own fucking country

Woah... ease of the nasty my friend... I'm just posting an opinion and sparking a debate. No need to get bent out of shape. If you wanted to trash Canada you certainly could. You know what we would do about it? Invite you up to talk and debate it over a few beers... peace peace peace!

[HelmutKohl]

You don't get to individually own nukes, or RPGs, or tanks -- which are "arms" -- which the 2nd is purported to entitle you to bear. C'mon now.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Jman

Man after all these years Prince can still rattle your cage on a board called GFY. And you call HIM the idiot.

There's something I don't get here

Some people are easier to troll than others I guess...

xoxox

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Canada needs MORE guns. Pussies.

[Seth Manson]

Canadian: Mind your own business

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Jman

Man after all these years Prince can still rattle your cage on a board called GFY. And you call HIM the idiot.

There's something I don't get here

Ah, so is ********** really just a troll? That doesn't fare much better for him.

Interesting studies about trolls: http://www.slate.com/articles/health...ychopathy.html

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by HelmutKohl

You don't get to individually own nukes, or RPGs, or tanks -- which are "arms" -- which the 2nd is purported to entitle you to bear. C'mon now.

no, the supreme court cleared that up years ago, the 2nd amendment does not allow individuals nukes, etc.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

no, the supreme court cleared that up years ago, the 2nd amendment does not allow individuals nukes, etc.

Who decides where the line is drawn and does the line move as technology and history move on?..

[Seth Manson]

Originally Posted by **********

Come on.. guns were not necessary. Bundy is a welfare cowboy who racked up a milliion dollars worth of fees, fines and penalties, all of which all other ranchers have to pay too. If he doesn't like the law, all he has to do is fight it in court.

You're telling me that guns and snipers with rifles pointing at the heads of the sheriff was really necessary? Bundy's case has nothing at all to do with the second amendment.

You're so stupid, it's just almost unbelievable. Almost.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Who decides where the line is drawn and does the line move as technology and history move on?..

Not Canadians.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Who decides where the line is drawn and does the line move as technology and history move on?..

I'd have to refresh myself with the ruling, it's been a while since I've read it it.

Originally Posted by escorpio

Not Canadians.

well played.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Who decides where the line is drawn and does the line move as technology and history move on?..

Tanks, rockets, and nuclear weapons are not protected by the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment protects only arms which one may "keep" and "bear." "The term (p.13)'arms' as used by the drafters of the constitutions probably was intended to include those weapons used by settlers for both personal and military defense... The term 'arms' would not have included cannons nor other heavy ordnance not kept by militiamen or private citizens." State v. Kessler, 289 Or. 359, 368, 614 P.2d 94, 98 (1980).

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by **********

[dyna mo]

the Federalist papers are key documents in the history of the USA

The Federalist Papers are a series of 85 articles and essays written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay promoting the ratification of the United States Constitution.

and James Madison a key person in the creation of the USA.

He is hailed as the "Father of the Constitution" for being instrumental in the drafting of the United States Constitution and as the key champion and author of the United States Bill of Rights.

In The Federalist No. 46, James Madison alluded to "the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation." Madison, Hamilton, and Jay, The Federalist Papers 299 (Arlington House ed. n.d.) Madison continued, "Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." Id.

[dyna mo]

Noah Webster, the influential federalist whose name still appears on dictionaries, stated: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe.