Is Juicy banner traffic organic or just altered Chinese traffic?

[NewOldPlayer]

If you purchase banner spots at Juicy, do you notice that all the banners have a daily average of clicks that has very little fluctuation? And every banner has almost the same daily average of impressions, regardless of price? (ie: 1200 impressions one day, 1254 the next, 1241 the next, etc...)

When a banner gets 1000 impressions a day, you get about 1 or 2 clicks a day, which is fine, but you get that same amount every day for a month with hardly any fluctuation.

Same with a banner that gets 10,000 impressions a day. You will see about 25 hits a day (plus or minus), but the strange thing is, you get 25 hits per day almost every day, without hardly any fluctuation. Sure, one day you get 23, then one day 27, but it always levels out every day, including the daily impressions, for 30 whole days!?

The impressions have almost very little fluctuation, which tells me that the traffic is not organic and the webmaster is pumping traffic into this site daily. No way any website naturally gets 10,000 views one day, then, 10,120 another, then 10,075. Humans are all over the map and the traffic should have major swings in it, just as any public walk in store would. Some days great traffic, other days weaker, but not the same every day.

Now with the fake traffic being pumped into the site to create the impressions, he now has to program clicks on the banners so the buyers are getting what they are paying for, which is clicks. But with so many banners and click programs to set up, there is no more uniqueness to any one banner, so everybody gets about the same click ratio per impression. I think they are getting sloppy and it's easy to see the patterns now. Every spot gets about the same amount of clicks per 1K impressions regardless of price and impression volume. They only 'give you' so many clicks to value the price you are paying.

The website is also peppered with outrageously priced banner spots from other webmasters, that go untouched and unsold, forever. I never understood these sites until now. I think they are placed there to give the buyer a sense of 'market value.' While we 'bump' into those high priced patsy websites offering their banners at $ 500 for 1,500 impressions, we 'move on' and find the spots that make sense. Thus giving us the illusion there is an 'open market' and it's 'best price wins.' It's all a set up and an illusion the moment you start shopping for spots. Why would any webmaster attempt to sell a banner spot for $ 500 for 1,500 daily impressions, when other sites sell it for $ 3.00 ? But I'm drifting from the point here.

I have multiple banner spots with Juicy and I'm seeing the exact same averages with all my banners and same ratios of clicks per impressions.

I know Juicy has been around for years and has this stellar reputation, but this isn't an attack on them. I'm just questioning the constant daily averages of clicks and the constant level of daily impressions almost all banner spots seem to maintain, until of course, out of nowhere, the impressions go from 10,000 daily, down to 23 a day and then you get a refund on your spot. Strange? Why would a popular website all of a sudden lose it's traffic while it's still online? Did all the search engines block the site within a day? This also confirms that the webmaster simply 'turned off' his pre purchased flow of impressions because the banner spots weren't making him enough money to continue buying traffic for his site. He turns off the traffic impressions, and your spot goes with it. So easy to get out of a bad producing website.

If I'm wrong here, have no problem setting me straight. I'm not a pro webmaster. I'm just very skeptical about the numbers and how these webmasters are pumping up their sites with impressions that are not from real surfers, but come from where?

My guess is the impressions originate from China running thru US proxy servers to change their IP's. Something hi tech that I don't understand. I know you can buy 1K Chinese impressions for pennies so is that where all the banner traffic is really coming from?

It's not Juicy's fault, and I'm not pointing the finger at them. They are the broker. All I'm saying is the webmasters that use Juicy are manipulating their system and buyers are buying robotic clicks from professional webmasters that know how to generate the impressions and the clicks.

I like the Juicy concept, I just don't think the impressions are organic as well as what is behind the actual clicks.

[Juicy D. Links]

before I get 30 people asking , he is not referring to myself in the above post.


-JDL

[NewOldPlayer]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

before I get 30 people asking , he is not referring to myself in the above post.


-JDL

Juicy Ads. But don't worry. Nobody really gives a shit about posts like these. I'm just another loon ranting about bullshit. People take everything at face value and don't question where or how or why anymore. We just want everything to taste good, feel good and to be able to watch a wide screen hdtv daily.

We're all dumb sheep.

[tigermtb]

Hi everyone.

No idea know who the poster is (or their account with us) and as normal .. nobody has contacted me about these questions previously before running to GFY to start a thread.

I'm bewildered as what to even reply -- where do I start first?

Clearly from your post, I understand that you're new to Traffic and Advertising. I understand that and going to try my hardest not to knock you on that, but your suggestions here are ridiculous and quite honestly, your suggestion that our traffic is all fraudulent (without any documentation) is grounds for ban on GFY. But, instead I'll actually answer your "questions."

Chinese Traffic through US Proxies??
Can you provide some sort of .. anything .. to show that "Chinese" traffic is somehow being changed into US traffic through proxies? Are you aware that our Advertisers manage their placements with us (and their results) and if they didn't make sales they wouldn't purchase traffic from us? If everything was Chinese traffic -- then nobody would buy it because the traffic would be pretty much worthless. Its not possible to simply do some voodoo on surfers and make the traffic convert. Not onto that, but it would be easily testable and fairly simple to prove.

Further to this -- JuicyAds is one of the few networks who does Proxy detection and correction. Meaning, we detect the proxy and deliver ads based on the actual country. We void bad proxy traffic based on internal metrics.

We are a transparent network of over 100,000 websites in our database. We have over 55,000 clients. There's no possible way that any network would orchestrate anything like any of your claims across the entire network. It would require Publishers to not understand their own traffic, or somehow for us to be running the websites in our network. We own none of them.

This is the same response to your claims that "ALL" the spots in our network are somehow coordinated to deliver a certain amount of traffic per day -- this isn't possible. We see fluxuation all the time when people change their creatives, or something happens with the traffic on the website. Oviously there are exceptions to this and we are constantly weeding out bad traffic as this is our job as a network.

Impression drops and Refunds ..
Publishers frequently move, change, remove, and add new adzones. Websites go offline, people forget to renew their domains, people forget or neglect to pay their hosting bills. We suspend websites. We suspend Publishers. People switch ads. Websites get hacked, databases break, Google dances.

These are all possible reasons why a space stops sending traffic. We refund our Advertisers when we see a sudden drop in traffic. This is to protect our Buyers.

Publisher Pricing
Prices are set by our Publishers, not us. If they are ridiculous then as an open transparent marketplace, you do not have to buy. When unsold, FillerAds (Network ads) run on the space and the traffic is being sold anyway -- so its actually being purchased by someone else when sitting on the marketplace.


Click Auditing
All JuicyAds traffic is monitored and audited by a third party company. They review the data, and we void out thousands of clicks per day for fraud, fake proxy traffic, and so on. This is in addition to our own internal anti-fraud systems.


If you're interested, I can review your account and see if there's any Chinese voodoo going on. We do have clients who buy traffic and send it to their websites, we do have people who send bad traffic which we void, or suspend their accounts. We test eveyone's traffic, review websites and traffic patterns constantly. Maybe you need an account manager to help with your purchases.

The bottom line is, I think JuicyAds deserves an apology for this thread.

[CyberHustler]

My nigga, you made that wild Chinese / US proxy conspiracy guess all based on traffic fluctuations? You need to get your shit straight bro.

[Useless Warrior]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

The website is also peppered with outrageously priced banner spots from other webmasters, that go untouched and unsold, forever. I never understood these sites until now. I think they are placed there to give the buyer a sense of 'market value.' While we 'bump' into those high priced patsy websites offering their banners at $ 500 for 1,500 impressions, we 'move on' and find the spots that make sense. Thus giving us the illusion there is an 'open market' and it's 'best price wins.' It's all a set up and an illusion the moment you start shopping for spots. Why would any webmaster attempt to sell a banner spot for $ 500 for 1,500 daily impressions, when other sites sell it for $ 3.00 ? But I'm drifting from the point here.

It's a mix of wishful thinking / jackassery on the part of the webmasters attempting to sell those banner spots. You or I could do that too if we wanted to. You set the price, but Juicy Ads displays the true amount of traffic.