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TCLGirls · 05-15-2014, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor

That was a promise made by our leader and chief of propaganda, President Obama.

But according to
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/bu...ml?hpw&rref=us

In the midst of all the turmoil in health care these days, one thing is becoming clear: No matter what kind of health plan consumers choose, they will find fewer doctors and hospitals in their network ? or pay much more for the privilege of going to any provider they want.

?We have to break people away from the choice habit that everyone has,? said Marcus Merz, the chief executive of PreferredOne, an insurer in Golden Valley, Minn., that is owned by two health systems and a physician group. ?We?re all trying to break away from this fixation on open access and broad networks.?

That means, you like your doctor? TOUGH!

The New York Times has always be a champion of Obamacare as far as I know, so this is saying something

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

And if your doctor retires, and you have to look for a new doctor you can blame OBAMA for it, because he said you can keep your doctor!

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Then get a plan that is more accepted.

So spend more money for a plan that work's? Do you even read what you post?

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Why should people choose their doctors? On what basis?

Are they qualified to make any informed judgement?

And the irrational desires of patients are to make organising health care more difficult and expensive for everyone.

Do you choose your train drivers? Bus driver?

That's some of the dumbest shit in this thread, you're comparing apples to avocados

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

if they were slicing me open with a scalpel or prescribing meds that can kill me, you bet I would handpick my bus driver.

Some people don't have a clue as to when they shouldn't post their stupidity to prove they don't know a fucking thing.

People can go for years seeing the same doctor, they know that their doctor knows their history, now because Obama wants to put something big under his name, even though he never read it, those people now have to look for a different doctor.

How would you feel if you had a lot of medical history with a doctor that has seen you thru all of it, just to have that doctor replaced with a doctor that didn't have their schooling in the US?

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

And if your doctor retires, and you have to look for a new doctor you can blame OBAMA for it, because he said you can keep your doctor!

Hey Moron, trying to find something against the OP that you come up with this, you forgot what if your doctor got shot in a drive by?

Obama lied , Obamacare is forcing people to get different doctors

beerptrol · 05-15-2014, 09:34 AM

TCLGirls · 05-15-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Hey Moron, trying to find something against the OP that you come up with this, you forgot what if your doctor got shot in a drive by?

Obama lied , Obamacare is forcing people to get different doctors

That's because those doctors are VOLUNTARILY removing themselves from the pool...that's just like deciding to retire. How is that Obama's fault?

baddog · 05-15-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Why should people choose their doctors? On what basis?

Are they qualified to make any informed judgement?

And the irrational desires of patients are to make organising health care more difficult and expensive for everyone.

Do you choose your train drivers? Bus driver?

And I thought Rochard's comment was ignorant; you certainly topped him with that one.

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

That's because those doctors are VOLUNTARILY removing themselves from the pool...that's just like deciding to retire. How is that Obama's fault?

According to the doctors, it's because of Obamacare they are opting out, do a little research

AmeliaG · 05-15-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Yes we need national health Care, not Coverage!

Amen to this.

I lost my family doctor of more than a decade because he decided to stop seeing patients, rather than have bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles.

I am baffled by the people who argue that forcing people to buy insurance or fining them for being unable to afford it is basically universal healthcare. ACA is not universal healthcare.

Universal healthcare would have been nice.

Forgiveness of student loans for doctors who practice in needed areas would have been nice.

Heck, contracting American web developers for this boondoggle might have at least put a few people to work at home.

Rochard · 05-15-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

And I thought Rochard's comment was ignorant; you certainly topped him with that one.

How was my comment ignorant? If no one accepts your healthcare plan, it's because your healthcare plan sucks. It's not because of Obamacare.

It's mostly because of billing issues. Some healthcare plans are very difficult for doctors to get reimbursed. This is exactly what my wife does; She tells me horror stories about how she spends hours on the phone with certain companies to collect $60. They drop healthcare plans all time because of this.

But this has nothing to do with the healthcare law. Go buy better insurance that is more commonly accepted.

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

How was my comment ignorant? If no one accepts your healthcare plan, it's because your healthcare plan sucks. It's not because of Obamacare.

It's mostly because of billing issues. Some healthcare plans are very difficult for doctors to get reimbursed. This is exactly what my wife does; She tells me horror stories about how she spends hours on the phone with certain companies to collect $60. They drop healthcare plans all time because of this.

But this has nothing to do with the healthcare law. Go buy better insurance that is more commonly accepted.

Rochard, put down the pipe

Obamacare is suppose to keep things like this from happening, it's about the regulations, 20,000 pages of them that are suppose to protect people from insurance companies from doing this and it FAILS.

Insurance companies are keeping down the cost by making the groups of doctors smaller, that's in this thread and the OP, try reading!

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Amen to this.

I lost my family doctor of more than a decade because he decided to stop seeing patients, rather than have bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles.

I am baffled by the people who argue that forcing people to buy insurance or fining them for being unable to afford it is basically universal healthcare. ACA is not universal healthcare.

Universal healthcare would have been nice.

Forgiveness of student loans for doctors who practice in needed areas would have been nice.

Heck, contracting American web developers for this boondoggle might have at least put a few people to work at home.

Sorry about you losing your doctor.

People are going to defend Obama's action blindly till their dying breathe and think they are right.

I'm not against universal healthcare, I welcome it, but what Obama pushed down everyone's throat is not that. It's a bad law.

Just wait till the employer mandate finally gets pushed thru, you think it's bad now, it's going to get worse! Obama set it back till 2016 so it won't fuck over the democrats during the midterms.

TCLGirls · 05-15-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

According to the doctors, it's because of Obamacare they are opting out, do a little research

Obamacare is not forcing any doctor out of its pools. Those doctors are CHOOSING themselves to opt out of Obamacare. It's not
Obama's fault if a doctor refuses to be a part of Obamacare.

TCLGirls · 05-15-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Amen to this.

I lost my family doctor of more than a decade because he decided to stop seeing patients, rather than have bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles.

I am baffled by the people who argue that forcing people to buy insurance or fining them for being unable to afford it is basically universal healthcare. ACA is not universal healthcare.

Universal healthcare would have been nice.

Forgiveness of student loans for doctors who practice in needed areas would have been nice.

Heck, contracting American web developers for this boondoggle might have at least put a few people to work at home.

So your doctor, on his very own, decides to stop seeing patients because of what he deems "bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles"?

If so, I would blame your doctor because it seems like thousands of other doctors are readily scheduling patients despite the alleged "bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles."

As to your other points, who says those issues will not be addressed in the future?

crockett · 05-15-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Fuck off shit for brains, I have a job, I'm starting a new affiliate program that's going to be promoting a new Hillary Clinton super pac among other things, if you ever read any of my post, you would know that.

Fucking morons trying to change the subject when they can't fucking win, laughable

So what you are saying, is that you are a hypocrite that will accept money from people that you think do a bad job. Rather than stand up for what you believe, you will take money to help get someone elected and then bitch about them to no end?

AmeliaG · 05-15-2014, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

So your doctor, on his very own, decides to stop seeing patients because of what he deems "bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles"?

If so, I would blame your doctor because it seems like thousands of other doctors are readily scheduling patients despite the alleged "bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles."

As to your other points, who says those issues will not be addressed in the future?

I would like access to quality healthcare.

Solving the issue of getting quality healthcare for all humans is a lot more interesting to me than assigning blame.

In point of fact, I have less access to quality healthcare now than I did before ACA.

However you want to feel about my doctor wanting to practice medicine and not paperwork, what do you think I should do to get healthcare now? Or is that a boring question for you because you got yours and eff everybody else?

TCLGirls · 05-15-2014, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I would like access to quality healthcare.

Solving the issue of getting quality healthcare for all humans is a lot more interesting to me than assigning blame.

In point of fact, I have less access to quality healthcare now than I did before ACA.

However you want to feel about my doctor wanting to practice medicine and not paperwork, what do you think I should do to get healthcare now? Or is that a boring question for you because you got yours and eff everybody else?

What doctor handles all the billing paperwork himself? That is what secretaries and health administrators are for.

Like I said before, there are thousands of other doctors who seem to be handling Obamacare billing and paperwork perfectly fine. If your previous doctor is choosing to not see patients because the paperwork is too complex for him, or he just doesn't want to hire a secretary, then that is his own fault....not Obama's fault.

And if your doctor's own voluntary actions have caused you to have less health care than before, again that is your doctor's fault, not Obamacare. nYou ask what you can do to get health care now? Have you signed up for Obamacare? What State do you reside in?

I am glad to hear that you are not assigning blame though...my message would mainly be those that are blaming Obama or ACA,

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Obamacare is not forcing any doctor out of its pools. Those doctors are CHOOSING themselves to opt out of Obamacare. It's not
Obama's fault if a doctor refuses to be a part of Obamacare.

If Obamacare were a good as you think, why are they leaving?

It's not the doctors much as the insurance companies as far as the "pools"

This from the OP

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?We have to break people away from the choice habit that everyone has,? said Marcus Merz, the chief executive of PreferredOne, an insurer in Golden Valley, Minn., that is owned by two health systems and a physician group. ?We?re all trying to break away from this fixation on open access and broad networks.?

The insurance companies are doing what they can to save money under Obamacare.
They do so by limiting doctors, you can't see that?

Try reading the OP and understanding it before showing everyone how little you understand about it

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

What doctor handles all the billing paperwork himself? That is what secretaries and health administrators are for.

Like I said before, there are thousands of other doctors who seem to be handling Obamacare billing and paperwork perfectly fine. If your previous doctor is choosing to not see patients because the paperwork is too complex for him, or he just doesn't want to hire a secretary, then that is his own fault....not Obama's fault.

And if your doctor's own voluntary actions have caused you to have less health care than before, again that is your doctor's fault, not Obamacare. nYou ask what you can do to get health care now? Have you signed up for Obamacare? What State do you reside in?

I am glad to hear that you are not assigning blame though...my message would mainly be those that are blaming Obama or ACA,

Maybe your not assigning blame on Obamacare, but a lot of doctors are.

And it's not the paperwork

Even physicians with no plans for career change are worried about the profession for reasons related to Obamacare. A sweeping survey of 13,575 doctors released in September by the Physicians Foundation found that 77 percent were pessimistic about the future of medicine.
The main reason: malpractice lawsuits, which the president?s law did little to address. After that, the top factors cited were ?Medicare/Medicaid/government regulations,? ?reimbursement issues? and ?uncertainty/changes of health reform.?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz31qK3rtu8

jdubs1982 · 05-15-2014, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

If Obamacare were a good as you think, why are they leaving?

It's not the doctors much as the insurance companies as far as the "pools"

This from the OP

The insurance companies are doing what they can to save money under Obamacare.
They do so by limiting doctors, you can't see that?

Try reading the OP and understanding it before showing everyone how little you understand about it

Yes because before Obamacare insurance companies ran charities....Is that what you thought?

They've always make adjustments to maximize profits and minimize losses.. On average 17% of plans on the individual market are canceled every year (pre Obamacare) this year it was 18%. They adjust networks, they raise premiums, it's happened every year for over a decade. The only difference is now is you people who blame Obama if you stub your toe, continue to cry about how you can't "keep your doctor" because you chose a plan your doctor doesn't accept.

Apparently one side effect of Obamacare has been shinning the light on all the adults in this country who are unable to make adult decisions. If your doctor retires, or you choose an insurance plan that your doctor doesn't accept.. then no you can't keep your doctor. Is that the big admission you people want?

Honestly, the President should come out and apologize for not realizing that so many Americans are incapable of picking their own insurance that meets their needs.

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jdubs1982

If your doctor retires, or you choose an insurance plan that your doctor doesn't accept.. then no you can't keep your doctor. Is that the big admission you people want?

Did Obama say this, NO!

What part of "if you want to keep your doctor, you can" Don't you understand, Have you read any of this thread or are you just pulling it out of your ass from some liberal blog?

Promises made to the American people and HE LIED!

He should come out and apologize for lying!

Why are you so accepting to the President lying to you?

slapass · 05-15-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Where did you find this? What's your source?

I love my doctor, have always been lucky when it comes to doctors and if I didn't like my doctor, I would find a new one. Under Obamacare, the choices are smaller. That's not what we were promised.

HMO's and different plans have always limited Dr.'s. It was an issue before. Most people don't have a patient/doctor relationship.

"American patients have seen an average of 18.7 different doctors during their lives, according to a survey conducted by GfK Roper for Practice Fusion, the free, web-based Electronic Health Record (EHR) company." This study was done in 2010.

It does not have to be smaller. It might just be different. The fact that you and your dr have this thing is because you are old. Older people tend to be in the frequent care category. Change is harder for you guys so that is why this Obama thing has got you so out of whack.

slapass · 05-15-2014, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Rochard, put down the pipe

Obamacare is suppose to keep things like this from happening, it's about the regulations, 20,000 pages of them that are suppose to protect people from insurance companies from doing this and it FAILS.

Insurance companies are keeping down the cost by making the groups of doctors smaller, that's in this thread and the OP, try reading!

Did you not hear the same stories before? I seriously don't see much difference now from then accept I do pay more. I think anyone who expected to pay less after we all insured the uninusrable is just not good at math.

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

HMO's and different plans have always limited Dr.'s. It was an issue before. Most people don't have a patient/doctor relationship.

"American patients have seen an average of 18.7 different doctors during their lives, according to a survey conducted by GfK Roper for Practice Fusion, the free, web-based Electronic Health Record (EHR) company." This study was done in 2010.

It does not have to be smaller. It might just be different. The fact that you and your dr have this thing is because you are old. Older people tend to be in the frequent care category. Change is harder for you guys so that is why this Obama thing has got you so out of whack.

Wow, first off, I see a doctor about once every 6 months, My daughter had the same doctor till she hit 18, same doctor that delivered her.

I know the name of the doctor that delivered me.

With the exception of the military, I have had less than your average

Saying I have a problem with this because I'm old? Keep insulting people like that and you will never live to be old enough to live that down!

Besides that's not the point of this thread, it was promised that we could keep our doctors, we were lied to! Try debating that, since that's the topic of this thread and you have seemed to have lost your way!

Vendzilla · 05-15-2014, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Did you not hear the same stories before? I seriously don't see much difference now from then accept I do pay more. I think anyone who expected to pay less after we all insured the uninusrable is just not good at math.

You heard the promises of Obamacare, you can keep you current coverage, you can keep your doctor, it will save $2500 per family

All lies, maybe you don't mind being lied to by our government, but I hold them accountable, you should to, or you deserve the outcome!

Atticus · 05-15-2014, 08:21 PM

I voluntarily cancelled my old insurance plan through UnitedHealth. I then signed up through the ACA and a Sierra Nevada plan. The new plan is much better and saves me over $5k a year. Before i enrolled I looked at the provider list and everyone of my doctors, except one, accepted my new plan. The one that didn't was my eye Dr and I chose to see him out of network anyway. Because I liked my Dr and I kept him. This is available to anyone that was/is self employed.

Individuals who receive coverage through their employment do not have this choice. But they never had this choice in the first place. At anytime an employer could change the companies health care plan and an individuals primary Dr could then become 'out of network'.

There is a lot wrong with the current version of the ACA. But also a lot right. What is amazing is that in reality the Dems should be the ones complaining and the Republicans should be championing the ACA (based off of their party platforms). This law is economically fantastic for small business (under 20 employees). However as usual politics has gotten in the way and instead of working together to make the law better, both parties are just digging in so they can sway their base for the mid term elections.

Rochard · 05-15-2014, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

What doctor handles all the billing paperwork himself? That is what secretaries and health administrators are for.

Like I said before, there are thousands of other doctors who seem to be handling Obamacare billing and paperwork perfectly fine. If your previous doctor is choosing to not see patients because the paperwork is too complex for him, or he just doesn't want to hire a secretary, then that is his own fault....not Obama's fault.

Doctors do not handle paperwork themselves - it's just not cost productive. Someone who went to college for four to eight years or more doesn't spend two hours on the phone trying to track down a $60 reimbursement.

There is no added paperwork for Obamacare. A doctor still submits the billing the same exact way as they did before.

jdubs1982 · 05-16-2014, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Did Obama say this, NO!

What part of "if you want to keep your doctor, you can" Don't you understand, Have you read any of this thread or are you just pulling it out of your ass from some liberal blog?

Promises made to the American people and HE LIED!

He should come out and apologize for lying!

Why are you so accepting to the President lying to you?

Accepting? Nope just looking at the bright side...., if you and people like you honestly didn't understand that Obama can't force doctors to not retire, and that if you choose an inusrance plan your doctor doesn't accept then no your doctor will not accept that insurance. If you needed Obama to explain to you those caveats then hey if lack of medical care for you folks thins the herd, then the collective IQ of the US can only improve. So there's always those positives which make it easier to accept.

(Plus I wasn't lied to, I live in Chicago, didin't have a plan cancelled, but i did buy a plan off the exchange because it was a better plan.. before I chose my plan I weighed my options i wanted to be able to go to my doctor at Rush.. I contacted them beforehand AND checked out the doctors networks from the insurance company. Land of Lincoln had a better plan than I had before and it was accepted by my doctors... so I bough that, it works fine, i kept my doctor just like all capable adults. Your problems are a result of your stupidity. Nothing more nothing less.)

Cherry7 · 05-16-2014, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

if they were slicing me open with a scalpel or prescribing meds that can kill me, you bet I would handpick my bus driver.

And how would you judge?

Would you study medicine then put your doctor to the test?

Would you believe statistics ? Do you have a degree in Maths and understand how stats are faked / massaged or just hide a complex picture.

Would you choose a doctor who tries to save hopeless cases that other doctors avoid and therefore has bad stats. Or the doctor who cherry picks easy patients.

There was an episode of the Sopranos that showed the stupidity of how people choose their doctors.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-16-2014, 05:18 AM

Some Doctors are not choosing to be in PPO/HMO networks as providers. It's a free country and you can pay them cash.

Some Doctors have for years refused Medicaid patients for reason of low reimbursements for services most of these are probably the same Doctors. Freedom of choice.

If you were paying cash to see one of these Doctors I can see you point being forced to buy insurance that your Doctor will not accept.

The insurer should reimburse you at their contracted rate with you paying the difference. The insurer should do so or be required to ...

You should receive the value your premiums are supposed to pay for.

Personally, I am buying an upper level policy offered by the ''Obamacare'' marketplace and all my Doctors (primary care and specialists) are part of the HMO network. Also, my preferred hospital is in the plan. But there were cheaper insurance policies that had more limited options -- I am paying a couple of thousand more per year to have better insurance coverage (I hope).

Universal care would be a better base to start with and then you could pay for a higher level of services possibly. We could have a multi tied system but the back-end and accounting would be difficult.

However, we would have the same issues of some providers that would opt-out of treating lower lever patients for reason of low reimbursement from a government administered health plan.

So where is the drama?
God damn Obama the liar or Fuck the greedy Doctors?
Or is it just life is not fair?

Disclaimer: 3 of my cousins are Specialist Physicians so I am biased in a strange way -- I can see both sides of the story and realize there is no perfect solution

jdubs1982 · 05-16-2014, 06:11 AM

So was the point of this comment threat to show everyone the stupidity/irresponsibility of the anti-Obama folks compared to the rest of the reasonable world?

So far in a couple pages, I've seen the anti people talk about how they choose a plan that didn't meet their needs and how that's Obama's fault. Compared to the reasonable adults who talked about how they got informed, weighed their options and made choices which worked best for them (be it network size, premiums, deductibeles, etc...)

Wouldn't the easiest solution for you people who "lost" your doctors, have been to spend less time crying on message boards and maybe have spent a few hours researching your insurance options, and using that informed decision? Maybe it would have cost you more to get a plan your doctored accepted. That's how the market works... you weigh your options price, accessibility, and you make a decision (Same for you people crying about having deductibles that are too high.. you chose a high deductible plan in exchange for lower monthly premiums, that was your choice... same choice people have been making for decades when they buy insurance)

If Obamacare was an insurance plan and Obama forced everyone to drop their private insurance and be on "Obamacare" and your doctor didn't accept it, then yes you'd be able to say Obama took away your access to your dr. BUT Obamacare is a series of insurance company regulations You buy private insurance, you have a market place of different plans (you also can buy directly from the insurance companies) you carry private insurance that you chose. If your doctor doesn't accept the insurance you chose.. that's on you

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jdubs1982

So was the point of this comment threat to show everyone the stupidity/irresponsibility of the anti-Obama folks compared to the rest of the reasonable world?

So far in a couple pages, I've seen the anti people talk about how they choose a plan that didn't meet their needs and how that's Obama's fault. Compared to the reasonable adults who talked about how they got informed, weighed their options and made choices which worked best for them (be it network size, premiums, deductibeles, etc...)

Wouldn't the easiest solution for you people who "lost" your doctors, have been to spend less time crying on message boards and maybe have spent a few hours researching your insurance options, and using that informed decision? Maybe it would have cost you more to get a plan your doctored accepted. That's how the market works... you weigh your options price, accessibility, and you make a decision (Same for you people crying about having deductibles that are too high.. you chose a high deductible plan in exchange for lower monthly premiums, that was your choice... same choice people have been making for decades when they buy insurance)

If Obamacare was an insurance plan and Obama forced everyone to drop their private insurance and be on "Obamacare" and your doctor didn't accept it, then yes you'd be able to say Obama took away your access to your dr. BUT Obamacare is a series of insurance company regulations You buy private insurance, you have a market place of different plans (you also can buy directly from the insurance companies) you carry private insurance that you chose. If your doctor doesn't accept the insurance you chose.. that's on you

Hey asshole, who's fake nick are you?

I just love how people are defending the fact that Obama lied about if you can keep your doctor with Obamacare!

He fucking lied to get his law passed, fuck him

TCLGirls · 05-16-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I would like access to quality healthcare.

Solving the issue of getting quality healthcare for all humans is a lot more interesting to me than assigning blame.

In point of fact, I have less access to quality healthcare now than I did before ACA.

However you want to feel about my doctor wanting to practice medicine and not paperwork, what do you think I should do to get healthcare now? Or is that a boring question for you because you got yours and eff everybody else?

AmeliaG, if you are still reading this, I would like to know exactly why you feel you do not have access to quality health car anymore.

Do you reside in California? If so, CoveredCalifornia (which is Obamacare in CA) is readily available to EVERY California resident. I know this for a fact because I signed up for it last year.

Rochard · 05-16-2014, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

AmeliaG, if you are still reading this, I would like to know exactly why you feel you do not have access to quality health car anymore.

Do you reside in California? If so, CoveredCalifornia (which is Obamacare in CA) is readily available to EVERY California resident. I know this for a fact because I signed up for it last year.

I didn't understand her comment either. She has the same access to healthcare as before.

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

AmeliaG, if you are still reading this, I would like to know exactly why you feel you do not have access to quality health car anymore.

Do you reside in California? If so, CoveredCalifornia (which is Obamacare in CA) is readily available to EVERY California resident. I know this for a fact because I signed up for it last year.

LOL, wow, so you are calling Amelia a liar because it's different for you, what an asshole!

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I didn't understand her comment either. She has the same access to healthcare as before.

So you are calling her a liar too? This is the only way you have to debate anything isn't it?

TCLGirls · 05-16-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LOL, wow, so you are calling Amelia a liar because it's different for you, what an asshole!

I never called AmeliaG a liar, nor did I even suggest it. I asked her specifically why she feels she does not have access to quality health care given that CoveredCalifornia readily accepts all California residents.

And I never hurled any vulgarities towards you, so why you insist doing that to me is odd.

Rochard · 05-16-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So you are calling her a liar too? This is the only way you have to debate anything isn't it?

Wow, you are so hostile. I never called her a liar. I said "I didn't understand her comment either". I didn't call her any names, I didn't say anything about a lie, I just said I failed to understand her comment. You really shouldn't put words into other people's mouths.

Note that I have you ignore and I cannot see your posts unless I specifically click on "view post" or what not. It makes reading GFY much more pleasant when I don't have see you complaining about everything again. (And again.)

TCLGirls · 05-16-2014, 10:10 AM

AmeliaG, if tou are still reading this thread, please know that I am not calling you a liar like Vendzilla claimed, nor is that my intent. I just want to know wht you feel you do not have access to quality health care? I am confused by that statement and would like to know more details. Maybe I can help you find the access you need through CoveredCalifornia (if you are a CA resident)?

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I never called AmeliaG a liar, nor did I even suggest it. I asked her specifically why she feels she does not have access to quality health care given that CoveredCalifornia readily accepts all California residents.

And I never hurled any vulgarities towards you, so why you insist doing that to me is odd.

You tell her that you know for a FACT, because you signed up for it, do you really believe that it's the same for everyone? Are you so fucking arrogant that you can't believe what she said?

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In point of fact, I have less access to quality healthcare now than I did before ACA.

She does live in California and she is have less access to healthcare, but you don't believe her, simple saying, you are calling her a liar!

Which makes you an asshole.

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Wow, you are so hostile. I never called her a liar. I said "I didn't understand her comment either". I didn't call her any names, I didn't say anything about a lie, I just said I failed to understand her comment. You really shouldn't put words into other people's mouths.

Note that I have you ignore and I cannot see your posts unless I specifically click on "view post" or what not. It makes reading GFY much more pleasant when I don't have see you complaining about everything again. (And again.)

You have me on ignore yet call me out in threads I start, makes you an asshole

You put me on ignore because every point you try to make, I call you on and you have no proof of your claims. Just more innuendos.

I call it like I see it

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

She has the same access to healthcare as before.

She said she doesn't have the same access, what fucking part of that don't you understand troll?

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 10:17 AM

I should stop this, I'm having too much fun.

It's amazing to see people back into their hole when they can't back up their claims

TCLGirls · 05-16-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You tell her that you know for a FACT, because you signed up for it, do you really believe that it's the same for everyone? Are you so fucking arrogant that you can't believe what she said?

She does live in California and she is have less access to healthcare, but you don't believe her, simple saying, you are calling her a liar!

Which makes you an asshole.

Yes it is a fact that CoveredCalifornia is available to every California resident. That's what it is there for, to sign up California residents. That's why I wanted to know of AmeliaG is a California resident.

AmeliaG said shes she has less access to quality health care. Just because I question the veracity of that statement does not mean I am calling AmeliaG a liar. For all I know, without knowing more of her details, maybe she is just MISTAKEN in her belief. Callinf her mistaken is totally different than calling her liar. That is why I am asking her for details, to get to the bottom of her health care access problems and hopefully to help her.

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Yes it is a fact that CoveredCalifornia is available to every California resident. That's what it is there for, to sign up California residents. That's why I wanted to know of AmeliaG is a California resident.

AmeliaG said shes she has less access to quality health care. Just because I question the veracity of that statement does not mean I am calling AmeliaG a liar. For all I know, without knowing more of her details, maybe she is just MISTAKEN in her belief. Callinf her mistaken is totally different than calling her liar. That is why I am asking her for details, to get to the bottom of her health care access problems and hopefully to help her.

Maybe I took it too far with that, but she is a friend and someone I have a lot of respect for, hell Rochard is a friend, just not as much respect, LOL.

I defend my friends with fire and brimstone, anyone that knows me away from this forum, knows that. I haven't talked to Amelia or Forrest in a while, but if they called in the middle of the night out of need, I would help them. They both have my number.

I'll even send the both of them an invite to my wedding next year, there will be a lot of patched bikers there, they will fit right in! I have some very boisterous friends

It was clear to me she is not having the same access to healthcare now as she did before the ACA and that should have been taken at just that. Saying you had facts rubbed the wrong way! Rochard saying she has the same access as before shows he has trouble with the English language!

TCLGirls · 05-16-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Maybe I took it too far with that, but she is a friend and someone I have a lot of respect for, hell Rochard is a friend, just not as much respect, LOL.

I defend my friends with fire and brimstone, anyone that knows me away from this forum, knows that. I haven't talked to Amelia or Forrest in a while, but if they called in the middle of the night out of need, I would help them. They both have my number.

I'll even send the both of them an invite to my wedding next year, there will be a lot of patched bikers there, they will fit right in! I have some very boisterous friends

It was clear to me she is not having the same access to healthcare now as she did before the ACA and that should have been taken at just that. Saying you had facts rubbed the wrong way! Rochard saying she has the same access as before shows he has trouble with the English language!

When someone says they have less access to quality health care now versus before ACA, and at the same time CoveredCalifornia is readily accepting all California residents, there is a conflict between those two positions. That's why it is difficult to accept AmeliaG's statement as 100% accurate. Maybe she is mistaken about her perceived lack of health care access. Maybe I am mistaken. We're all human. none of us perfect. Which is the reason why I asked for more details...to solve the problem.

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 10:46 AM

Wow, just read this on the beast, yes I read liberal blogs too, posted 6 hours ago

The Obama administration has approved ?reference pricing? for insurance companies, which means they can put a cap on what health insurance plans will pay for expensive procedures like knee and hip replacements. Critics of the move argue that this will leave patients with more expensive hospital bills and undercuts the protections put in place in the president?s healthcare reform law. Insurers and their advocates argue it?s a much needed tool to reduce costs. Even federal regulators are skeptical, however, recently admitting in a policy ruling that reference pricing ?may be subterfuge? on ?otherwise prohibited limitations on coverage.? The Departments of Labor and Health and Human Services say they will monitor the effects.

I have to ask, what gives the Obama Administration the right to make changes in the law like this?

Vendzilla · 05-16-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

When someone says they have less access to quality health care now versus before ACA, and at the same time CoveredCalifornia is readily accepting all California residents, there is a conflict between those two positions. That's why it is difficult to accept AmeliaG's statement as 100% accurate. Maybe she is mistaken about her perceived lack of health care access. Maybe I am mistaken. We're all human. none of us perfect. Which is the reason why I asked for more details...to solve the problem.

See, here you go again

You are saying access to insurance

She said access to healthcare

You see the difference now?

Problem solved, remember this thread is about lack of doctors, not lack of insurance. Good insurance is shit if you can't find a doctor that will take it

2MuchMark · 05-16-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

That was a promise made by our leader and chief of propaganda, President Obama.

Lol Shut the fuck up. PROAGANDA? Really? Do you even remember this, you dumb fuck?

"We built that" - a whole entire political campaign based on SOMETHING OBAMA NEVER EVEN SAID. haha

So go prey to your deity saint Ronald Reagan, stick a gun barrel up your ass, Bitch how "deyy terrrk errr jerrbs!" to anyone who will listen, investigate the moon landies, then shut the fuck up.

PS: LOL !!!! http://www.yeswebuiltit.com

What a bunch of fucking ignorant assholes.

TCLGirls · 05-16-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

See, here you go again

You are saying access to insurance

She said access to healthcare

You see the difference now?

Problem solved, remember this thread is about lack of doctors, not lack of insurance. Good insurance is shit if you can't find a doctor that will take it

CoveredCalifornia is not health insurance. CoveredCalifornia is the California version of Obamacare...an exchange where people who want access to healthcare can choose from multiple private health insurance plans.

If someone wants access to quality healthcare in California, accessing CoveredCalifornia website is the first step in achieving that goal.

Rochard · 05-16-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

She said she doesn't have the same access, what fucking part of that don't you understand troll?

Again with the name calling.

What part of her statement do I not understand? The part where she said "I have less access to quality healthcare now than I did before ACA". You accept this as fact because it fits your agenda, yet all we have is a statement with zero information.

05-16-2014, 05:18 AM	#79
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Some Doctors are not choosing to be in PPO/HMO networks as providers. It's a free country and you can pay them cash. Some Doctors have for years refused Medicaid patients for reason of low reimbursements for services most of these are probably the same Doctors. Freedom of choice. If you were paying cash to see one of these Doctors I can see you point being forced to buy insurance that your Doctor will not accept. The insurer should reimburse you at their contracted rate with you paying the difference. The insurer should do so or be required to ... You should receive the value your premiums are supposed to pay for. Personally, I am buying an upper level policy offered by the ''Obamacare'' marketplace and all my Doctors (primary care and specialists) are part of the HMO network. Also, my preferred hospital is in the plan. But there were cheaper insurance policies that had more limited options -- I am paying a couple of thousand more per year to have better insurance coverage (I hope). Universal care would be a better base to start with and then you could pay for a higher level of services possibly. We could have a multi tied system but the back-end and accounting would be difficult. However, we would have the same issues of some providers that would opt-out of treating lower lever patients for reason of low reimbursement from a government administered health plan. So where is the drama? God damn Obama the liar or Fuck the greedy Doctors? Or is it just life is not fair? Disclaimer: 3 of my cousins are Specialist Physicians so I am biased in a strange way -- I can see both sides of the story and realize there is no perfect solution Last edited by Barry-xlovecam; 05-16-2014 at 05:20 AM..

05-16-2014, 10:17 AM	#92
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	I should stop this, I'm having too much fun. It's amazing to see people back into their hole when they can't back up their claims __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

05-16-2014, 10:46 AM	#96
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Wow, just read this on the beast, yes I read liberal blogs too, posted 6 hours ago The Obama administration has approved ?reference pricing? for insurance companies, which means they can put a cap on what health insurance plans will pay for expensive procedures like knee and hip replacements. Critics of the move argue that this will leave patients with more expensive hospital bills and undercuts the protections put in place in the president?s healthcare reform law. Insurers and their advocates argue it?s a much needed tool to reduce costs. Even federal regulators are skeptical, however, recently admitting in a policy ruling that reference pricing ?may be subterfuge? on ?otherwise prohibited limitations on coverage.? The Departments of Labor and Health and Human Services say they will monitor the effects. I have to ask, what gives the Obama Administration the right to make changes in the law like this? __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

05-15-2014, 09:34 AM	#54
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05-15-2014, 08:21 PM	#75
Atticus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,051	I voluntarily cancelled my old insurance plan through UnitedHealth. I then signed up through the ACA and a Sierra Nevada plan. The new plan is much better and saves me over $5k a year. Before i enrolled I looked at the provider list and everyone of my doctors, except one, accepted my new plan. The one that didn't was my eye Dr and I chose to see him out of network anyway. Because I liked my Dr and I kept him. This is available to anyone that was/is self employed. Individuals who receive coverage through their employment do not have this choice. But they never had this choice in the first place. At anytime an employer could change the companies health care plan and an individuals primary Dr could then become 'out of network'. There is a lot wrong with the current version of the ACA. But also a lot right. What is amazing is that in reality the Dems should be the ones complaining and the Republicans should be championing the ACA (based off of their party platforms). This law is economically fantastic for small business (under 20 employees). However as usual politics has gotten in the way and instead of working together to make the law better, both parties are just digging in so they can sway their base for the mid term elections.

05-16-2014, 06:11 AM	#80
jdubs1982 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 78	So was the point of this comment threat to show everyone the stupidity/irresponsibility of the anti-Obama folks compared to the rest of the reasonable world? So far in a couple pages, I've seen the anti people talk about how they choose a plan that didn't meet their needs and how that's Obama's fault. Compared to the reasonable adults who talked about how they got informed, weighed their options and made choices which worked best for them (be it network size, premiums, deductibeles, etc...) Wouldn't the easiest solution for you people who "lost" your doctors, have been to spend less time crying on message boards and maybe have spent a few hours researching your insurance options, and using that informed decision? Maybe it would have cost you more to get a plan your doctored accepted. That's how the market works... you weigh your options price, accessibility, and you make a decision (Same for you people crying about having deductibles that are too high.. you chose a high deductible plan in exchange for lower monthly premiums, that was your choice... same choice people have been making for decades when they buy insurance) If Obamacare was an insurance plan and Obama forced everyone to drop their private insurance and be on "Obamacare" and your doctor didn't accept it, then yes you'd be able to say Obama took away your access to your dr. BUT Obamacare is a series of insurance company regulations You buy private insurance, you have a market place of different plans (you also can buy directly from the insurance companies) you carry private insurance that you chose. If your doctor doesn't accept the insurance you chose.. that's on you

05-16-2014, 10:10 AM	#88
TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	AmeliaG, if tou are still reading this thread, please know that I am not calling you a liar like Vendzilla claimed, nor is that my intent. I just want to know wht you feel you do not have access to quality health care? I am confused by that statement and would like to know more details. Maybe I can help you find the access you need through CoveredCalifornia (if you are a CA resident)?