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MasterBlow · 06-13-2014, 12:45 AM

Sophie Saint interviewed Steven Hirsch.

Should the industry be working with the tube sites rather than fighting against them?
The industry continues to evolve, and there are two ways you can look at it: You can either complain and whine about why things aren't the way they were two years ago, or you can continue to evolve and produce content that people want to see. Most companies don't make it 30 years ? certainly not in the adult industry. You have to be flexible, and you have to be willing to take chances and not be set in your ways if you want to survive for a long period of time. The tube sites are only the most recent incarnation of what is the big threat to the business. At one point it was piracy, and we saw VHS tapes being pirated and DVDs being pirated. You've got to work through that stuff.

Performers have told me that tube sites have decreased their amount of work.
I think it's interesting because I understand that as a result of the tube sites, there are fewer movies being produced, because if you're going to produce just run-of-the-mill porn that's not really different, there's no real reason for anyone to pay for it because they could get something similar for free. So there are fewer companies producing, and therefore fewer jobs for the performers.

But what I see, talking to some of the performers, is that they really use this as a way to take control of their career. The tube sites may in some ways be bad for the industry, but it's also spawned a whole new market, which is camming. The girls out there who are camming ? and do it right and make it a priority ? are making a bunch of money. Also, what I've found is that a lot of the girls are shooting their own content. They're shooting their own unique content, and they do content trade from other girls. They have their own website, and they make money being entrepreneurs in their own businesses.

Focus · 06-13-2014, 03:35 AM

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The Porn Nerd · 06-13-2014, 06:40 AM

Well this man should know shouldn't he?

MrDeiz · 06-13-2014, 11:51 AM

some good points by Steve
i don't like tubes myself, but they exist. they have changed the industry drasticly and we should deal with it in order to stay whether we like it or not.

clickhappy · 06-13-2014, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterBlow

The tube sites may in some ways be bad for the industry, but it's also spawned a whole new market, which is camming. The girls out there who are camming ? and do it right and make it a priority ? are making a bunch of money.

So everyone is fucked except for the girls who can cam. Greeeeeeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterBlow

They're shooting their own unique content, and they do content trade from other girls. They have their own website...

And having their shit stolen and posted on all the tubes for free lol

Fat Panda · 06-13-2014, 12:14 PM

porn tubes are awesome

DWB · 06-13-2014, 02:28 PM

Lets take a walk down memory lane, shall we Mr. Hirsch?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Hirsch

The porn industry is finally sick of losing money to piracy and is starting to crack down on sites like PornoTube, which has just had a lawsuit filed against it by Vivid Entertainment Group.

The lawsuit is seeking $150,000 per illegal video. Vivid executive Steven Hirsch says, "We?ve decided to take a stand and say ?no more?. Competing with free internet videos is bad enough, but competing with free versions of Vivid?s matertial is maddening" and "detrimental for the company as it tries to sell more of its content over the web."

Source: http://techcrunch.com/2007/12/11/por...-pun-intended/

FreeHugeMovies · 06-13-2014, 09:30 PM

What an IDIOT

SmutHammer · 06-13-2014, 10:35 PM

Isn't this the guy that in 2008 he was giving a speech telling all the small guys to stay away from producing porn, there is no money left?

XMaster · 06-14-2014, 02:53 AM

Tube sites are just like cancer. You can live with it but It's painful and no matter what you try to do to fight it, It will kill you eventually.

Once for all. Free porn has never been good.

Three.Thousand · 06-14-2014, 04:56 AM

So basically, the solution to piracy that we all have been looking for, is to produce non run-of-the-mill content, because somehow there is an unspoken rule amongst pirates that you do not steal and monetize work by people who put in some effort.
Who would have thought it was that easy...

...there are fewer movies being produced, because if you're going to produce just run-of-the-mill porn that's not really different, there's no real reason for anyone to pay for it because they could get something similar for free

Jel · 06-14-2014, 05:24 AM

where's the part where he said 'tube sites are good for porn'?

SomeCreep · 06-14-2014, 06:01 AM

Thanks to tube sites, the industry is now 1/3 the size it was 8 years ago. The US government loves it! They hope we keep doing what were doing. That way in 5 more years the industry will only be 10% the size that it used to be. People who don't know shit will say adapt or die. They don't see the macro picture. Less and less surfers are pulling out their wallets to pay for porn. The smartest folks in this industry have all gotten out.

MasterBlow · 06-14-2014, 06:03 AM

Should the industry be working with the tube sites rather than fighting against them?

Steven Hirsch: The industry continues to evolve, and there are two ways you can look at it: You can either complain and whine about why things aren't the way they were two years ago, or you can continue to evolve and produce content that people want to see. Most companies don't make it 30 years—certainly not in the adult industry. You have to be flexible, and you have to be willing to take chances and not be set in your ways if you want to survive for a long period of time. The tube sites are only the most recent incarnation of what is the big threat to the business. At one point it was piracy, and we saw VHS tapes being pirated and DVDs being pirated. You've got to work through that stuff.

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CamTraffic · 06-14-2014, 06:34 AM

Looks like he changed his mind from what he thought 5-6 years ago...

bronco67 · 06-14-2014, 06:41 AM

I guess tube sites would be good for porn if every clip on every site was bought and paid for. What's the real percentage of illegal vids on tube sites? 50%? 75%?

CamTraffic · 06-14-2014, 06:55 AM

you probably should have added the last paragraph:

What are some of the biggest misconceptions about the tube sites?
I think one of the [misconceptions] that people have about the tube sites is that they just steal all of this content and put it up on the sites. That is not the case. People work with the tube sites, and you can take down whatever you want. What I've certainly seen with these celebrity sex tapes is that we've been able to [take] movies down from the tube sites, and that's because we're working closely with them, and when we see [piracy], we let them know that there's something on there illegally, and they remove it immediately. The point is they?re not going anywhere.

and maybe the source of the Article?
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/porn-...ing-tube-sites

06-13-2014, 12:45 AM	#1
MasterBlow Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 2,059	Vivid: tube sites are good for porn Sophie Saint interviewed Steven Hirsch. Should the industry be working with the tube sites rather than fighting against them? The industry continues to evolve, and there are two ways you can look at it: You can either complain and whine about why things aren't the way they were two years ago, or you can continue to evolve and produce content that people want to see. Most companies don't make it 30 years ? certainly not in the adult industry. You have to be flexible, and you have to be willing to take chances and not be set in your ways if you want to survive for a long period of time. The tube sites are only the most recent incarnation of what is the big threat to the business. At one point it was piracy, and we saw VHS tapes being pirated and DVDs being pirated. You've got to work through that stuff. Performers have told me that tube sites have decreased their amount of work. I think it's interesting because I understand that as a result of the tube sites, there are fewer movies being produced, because if you're going to produce just run-of-the-mill porn that's not really different, there's no real reason for anyone to pay for it because they could get something similar for free. So there are fewer companies producing, and therefore fewer jobs for the performers. But what I see, talking to some of the performers, is that they really use this as a way to take control of their career. The tube sites may in some ways be bad for the industry, but it's also spawned a whole new market, which is camming. The girls out there who are camming ? and do it right and make it a priority ? are making a bunch of money. Also, what I've found is that a lot of the girls are shooting their own content. They're shooting their own unique content, and they do content trade from other girls. They have their own website, and they make money being entrepreneurs in their own businesses. __________________

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SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	Thanks to tube sites, the industry is now 1/3 the size it was 8 years ago. The US government loves it! They hope we keep doing what were doing. That way in 5 more years the industry will only be 10% the size that it used to be. People who don't know shit will say adapt or die. They don't see the macro picture. Less and less surfers are pulling out their wallets to pay for porn. The smartest folks in this industry have all gotten out. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

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Focus Last of a dying breed. Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 669	“Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

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06-14-2014, 04:56 AM	#11
Three.Thousand Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 287	So basically, the solution to piracy that we all have been looking for, is to produce non run-of-the-mill content, because somehow there is an unspoken rule amongst pirates that you do not steal and monetize work by people who put in some effort. Who would have thought it was that easy... ...there are fewer movies being produced, because if you're going to produce just run-of-the-mill porn that's not really different, there's no real reason for anyone to pay for it because they could get something similar for free

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Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	where's the part where he said 'tube sites are good for porn'?

06-14-2014, 06:03 AM	#14
MasterBlow Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 2,059	Should the industry be working with the tube sites rather than fighting against them? Steven Hirsch: The industry continues to evolve, and there are two ways you can look at it: You can either complain and whine about why things aren't the way they were two years ago, or you can continue to evolve and produce content that people want to see. Most companies don't make it 30 years—certainly not in the adult industry. You have to be flexible, and you have to be willing to take chances and not be set in your ways if you want to survive for a long period of time. The tube sites are only the most recent incarnation of what is the big threat to the business. At one point it was piracy, and we saw VHS tapes being pirated and DVDs being pirated. You've got to work through that stuff. __________________

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	I guess tube sites would be good for porn if every clip on every site was bought and paid for. What's the real percentage of illegal vids on tube sites? 50%? 75%? __________________

06-14-2014, 06:55 AM	#18
CamTraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Paris - Miami Posts: 6,537	you probably should have added the last paragraph: What are some of the biggest misconceptions about the tube sites? I think one of the [misconceptions] that people have about the tube sites is that they just steal all of this content and put it up on the sites. That is not the case. People work with the tube sites, and you can take down whatever you want. What I've certainly seen with these celebrity sex tapes is that we've been able to [take] movies down from the tube sites, and that's because we're working closely with them, and when we see [piracy], we let them know that there's something on there illegally, and they remove it immediately. The point is they?re not going anywhere. and maybe the source of the Article? http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/porn-...ing-tube-sites __________________ I am always buying traffic and white labels. Hit me up. Email me HERE!