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Old 07-28-2014, 02:59 PM   #51
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man according to your list colombia has better healthcare than the USA so does saudi arabia, morocco ect....

right next to you is cuba and my shitbag country is right up there with croatia and slovenia our healthcare is not listed on your bullshit list

anyway: we get it for free and you will never understand this

now go back and wave an american flag and defend your 500$ aspirin
I haven't defended jack shit. I pointed out that you're a fucking hypcrite nitwit.
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:08 PM   #52
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I haven't defended jack shit. I pointed out that you're a fucking hypcrite nitwit.
why am I a "hypcrite"? we get our "shit" healthcare for free and its right up to par with your i-healthcare

you are getting ass raped
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:16 PM   #53
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why am I a "hypcrite"? we get our "shit" healthcare for free and its right up to par with your i-healthcare

you are getting ass raped
I could only guess why you are a hypocrite. That guess would be you were buttraped by a croat and blame it on USA.
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:33 PM   #54
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why am I a "hypcrite"? we get our "shit" healthcare for free and its right up to par with your i-healthcare

you are getting ass raped
If you truly believe that it's FREE, he is correct...you are a nitwit.

Nothing is free.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:04 PM   #55
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Too bad that you need to make over $60K single, $100K 2 wage earners to afford the cost of the excellent healthcare that is available in the USA.

I am very thankful this is not my obstacle but we all (most) value our lives.

So, what about the other 80% -- step past the beggars, working class and poor rabble on your way to the see a doctor or to reach the hospital spa?
Here's an idea, dear loser, make your healthcare YOUR priority. Why should your healthcare be MY priority? I think that anyone who can't afford their own healthcare should die off like the Neanderthals did. You can't survive in this world.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:06 PM   #56
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I'd much rather spend money on MY intelligent successful offspring then spend it on propping up the absolute dregs of society that dropped from Barryxloves' loins.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:10 PM   #57
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But yet the life expectancy in Canada is 80.5 and the USA is 76.

These threads are so stupid. My country is better than your country blah blah blah.

Health care is not free here we pay for it in taxes. That said I'd rather our system then the states. Anyone that thinks canadian healthcare is shit (baddog, 12clicks etc) has no idea what they are talking about. Everything here is prioritized. It's not perfect but it works. Going through personal experiences as a kid and now with my dad I have first hand knowledge how good it is here.
Bryan, we have a huge underbelly that the liberals have bread since about 1960 that drags our number down. Remove them and those of us living in the real world have a much better life expectancy than Canada.
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But I agree, these threads are silly. Comparing the trailblazing healthcare system and it's cost to the leeching systems who benefit from it and THEIR costs is silly
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Old 07-28-2014, 07:20 PM   #59
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Here's an idea, dear loser,
I am not the one complaining about what my life costs -- you are.
All the rabble deprives you from what? You are megabucks, really I could give two shits about your deprivations by the rabble. LMAO.

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Old 07-29-2014, 12:38 AM   #60
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If you truly believe that it's FREE, he is correct...you are a nitwit.

Nothing is free.
I believe we need to give an exact definition of "free". As we say: "бесплатным бывает только сыр в мышеловке" (only a cheese in a mousetrap is free).

So let's consider that free is when you don't have to pay for the ambulance/tests/clinic/meds/surgery/treatment directly out of your pocket. Everything is being payed by your government from various sources, including taxes (your own and those paid by others) and other types of the state income. Say your country sells weapons, food, oil, gas etc. When the country sells something, it makes the profit which must be used to support its own citizens (pensions, medicine, education, infrastructure, free housing for those who can't afford it etc). Isn't it?
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If you truly believe that it's FREE, he is correct...you are a nitwit.

Nothing is free.

you are right, our shit 3rd world bombed to crap 2 decades under US sanctions shithole, manages to PAY healtcare for its citizens and offer them cost free (to them) healthcare, and the USA can not in fact the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in the USA is medical

sorry that you have to defend your shit/scam healtcare, its the american thing to do, pretend everyting is ok and go with the herd...when you get your 80$ aspirin you should say (like a good american) "thank the president and first lady for this aspirin that is 100x better than any other aspirin" "thank god we have 1st class healthcare"
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:40 AM   #62
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[E]verything is being payed by your government from various sources, including taxes (your own and those paid by others) and other types of the state income. Say your country sells weapons, food, oil, gas etc. When the country sells something, it makes the profit which must be used to support its own citizens (pensions, medicine, education, infrastructure, free housing for those who can't afford it etc). Isn't it?
No. All producers do not share equally in the profit. 80% of the profit goes to the owners of the risk (the stakeholders) the other 20% of the profits go to the government in the form of taxes *percentages will vary with tax laws as applied. The "workers" are an expense in the cost of production -- their wages and benefits expensed out COGS to arrive at the gross profit.

In America the only "free housing" is a cardboard box. Even if someone gets government paid section 8 "free" housing it is the tax money transfer to the slumlords that pays for it -- your tax dollars are being transferred to the slumlord (the owner of property that is marginally liveable.) The "free housing" recipient is a welfare client whose only work is standing in the handout line. The Romans had the forum, its circus and bread handouts ... This is a modern version of the same thing I suppose.

Medical and dental service are still rendered on a fee-for-service. Part of your entitlement as a welfare recipient (lowest level of existence) is minimal free Medicaid. If you are over 65 "a pensioner" you have paid into a social medical scheme called Medicare from your wages or other income for some 40 years. Medicare provides reasonable medical services for the elderly but all services are not without fee.

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So, where does all the money go? Well it isn't to the lazy bums that don't work. The average worker gets just enough to remain a productive worker. 80% of the profit goes to the owners of the risk in US capitalism. Life is good here for the top 20%, great if you get to the next level.

"Obamacare" is a healthcare transfer of partial equalization. A few will lose financially and many will gain. However, sick or routine healthcare deprived workers cost lost production and its profits...

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The Commonwealth Fund report says that based on the survey data accumulated, an estimated 55 million U.S. workers annually experience reduced productivity due to illness or the inability to concentrate on the job due to the illness of a family member. The study concluded that based on the responses, the workers were performing at half capacity, equaling a $260 billion economic value annually.

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/loss-...ess-33560.html
All of that cost would not be mitigated by a greater availability of healthcare but maybe $52 billion (20%) could be by the availability preventative healthcare services. So, some socialization may be a win-win on a worker productivity basis. Why the resistance? I guess you wont be able to see the proverbial $80 aspirins in the hospital anymore and that will be a terrible economic impact -- for who?

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. As we say: "бесплатным бывает только сыр в мышеловке" (only a cheese in a mousetrap is free).
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My 2 cents. Basic healthcare should be free / part of our taxes... with better healthcare available for $$$. For example, a person needs stitches, they get stitches. But for $$$ they get stitched by a plastic surgeon who leaves little or no scars. A person has Cancer, the Cancer is treated as best we can, maybe by students, maybe by some elective experiment... Person with $$$, hey maybe they get a private nurse, maybe they get real food instead of hospital food...

Healthcare reform would come in the form of free is safe from lawsuits, keeping the major cost down, and hence our taxes down.
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The same sort of leeches that will be in a screaming about no more $80 aspirin will be screaming about reasonable malpractice tort reform. Let 'em scream -- who cares ...
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My 2 cents. Basic healthcare should be free / part of our taxes... with better healthcare available for $$$. For example, a person needs stitches, they get stitches. But for $$$ they get stitched by a plastic surgeon who leaves little or no scars. A person has Cancer, the Cancer is treated as best we can, maybe by students, maybe by some elective experiment... Person with $$$, hey maybe they get a private nurse, maybe they get real food instead of hospital food...
Yep. Don't see anything unusual with that. E.g. if you break a leg, you will be placed to a free hospital ward with other 2-7 patients in the state clinic and you will eat the standard food which was cooked in the kitchen of your med block today. But if you have money, you can have a personal room with a personal menu, personal TV etc. This is how it works in Russia and AFAIK in other European countries too (never been to a clinic outside of my country).
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Both systems have pros and cons, like anything else.

Perhaps have a read here. http://www.csqi.on.ca/cms/one.aspx?p....U9fvQvldVS E

PET scans only started to be covered by OHIP in 2009, so there's likely some lag there.

Wait times are typically less than 2 weeks (10 business days) at each PET/CT centre (Figure 4)

The median wait time across all centres from April 2010 to December 2012 is 5 business days.
The PET/CT centres reporting the maximum wait times vary from month to month, i.e., there are no consistent outliers. <--- there aren't any "bad" facilities that are consistently behind

So should we double our investment in these machines to cut the median wait time down to 2-3 days?

A 2004 survey of 14 members of the International Networks of Agencies for Health Technology Assessment (INAHTA) identified the number of PET scanners per million ranging from 0.25 in the Netherlands to 1.26 in Belgium, with Australia at 0.65, the United States at 0.83 and Canada at 0.39. <--- old data but interesting
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Yep. Don't see anything unusual with that. E.g. if you break a leg, you will be placed to a free hospital ward with other 2-7 patients in the state clinic and you will eat the standard food which was cooked in the kitchen of your med block today. But if you have money, you can have a personal room with a personal menu, personal TV etc. This is how it works in Russia and AFAIK in other European countries too (never been to a clinic outside of my country).
That explains a lot. No matter how good an ideal is, if Russia is doing it America certainly wont consider it. Sad, as such is both humane and profitable.
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