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JustDaveXxx · 08-07-2014, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scuba steve

if you lay your bike down, your leg most likely not get caught it in. yeah they weigh a decent amount, but it's not all located in one spot, spread out on the bike. if it just tips over and falls on you that will prolly hurt. but if you're riding and going down, the momentum will keep the bike going and you'll be separated pretty easily

Yes, you are correct, but the handlebar and the pegs on a smaller bike also gives you enough space to not crush your leg. Also the sport bikes are pretty light.

Dropping(Not getting hit by a car) a small bike is going to hurt your wallet more than your body if you have the right jacket, gloves, boots and jeans.

If you ware the right gear, follow the rules of the road and never go faster than 10 miles over the limit, you should be pretty good. Bad Shit happens when you ignore any of the above.

Knowing and respecting the Speed limit is so important!! If you are roughly riding at the speed limit, you will have more than enough time to react to another cars mistake. The faster you go, the less reaction time you will have when someone else makes a mistake.

The dreaded left "turn head on crash" can dramatically be reduced if you are at the speed limit or if you slow down before the intersection when you see a car in the left turn lane.

With all of the above followed properly, you can dramatically reduce your chances of getting hit, dropping your bike and or dying on a motorcycle.

Anyone who rides will agree with me. Hope that helps.

Just Dave

Ferus · 08-07-2014, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

this never computed with me either.. I can hear 250cc no problem from a block and a half away with normal exhausts so the louder is safer bullshit is blown far out of proportion and more people wanting their bikes to sound like a roar..which is kind of telling..

..

I commute on a two-lane highway each day, and my Akrapovič pipes are street-leagal and maybe 20% louder that the stock (almost silent Honda pipes)

Before I fitted the pipes, the cars would sometime pull out in my side, when stuck in rush-hour traffic, because they thought there were a opening. After I fittet the new pipes, it have happened only once or twice.

So, in some cases it helps, but as some have said, if they are VERY loud, it will not help either

I bought the pipes because it shaved 15+ punds off the bike, and the better sound is just a bonus.

scuba steve · 08-07-2014, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Yes, you are correct, but the handlebar and the pegs on a smaller bike also gives you enough space to not crush your leg. Also the sport bikes are pretty light.

Dropping(Not getting hit by a car) a small bike is going to hurt your wallet more than your body if you have the right jacket, gloves, boots and jeans.

If you ware the right gear, follow the rules of the road and never go faster than 10 miles over the limit, you should be pretty good. Bad Shit happens when you ignore any of the above.

Knowing and respecting the Speed limit is so important!! If you are roughly riding at the speed limit, you will have more than enough time to react to another cars mistake. The faster you go, the less reaction time you will have when someone else makes a mistake.

The dreaded left "turn head on crash" can dramatically be reduced if you are at the speed limit or if you slow down before the intersection when you see a car in the left turn lane.

With all of the above followed properly, you can dramatically reduce your chances of getting hit, dropping your bike and or dying on a motorcycle.

Anyone who rides will agree with me. Hope that helps.

Just Dave

haha agreed, you emphasized everything i was trying to say

i've lost my back wheel before, slid out from under me on a turn and went down right when i first started riding. didn't have the right gear on, arm was total road rash. and i considered myself lucky, could've been 1000x worse. (no helmet, not the right shoes on)

honestly kind of glad i did cause i realized how easy it is and respected bikes a lot more. knock on wood haven't had any other accidents, 2 bikes later. control what you can, do your best to watch out for shitty drivers ( i swear i have a spidy sense now, can predict when dickheads aren't looking or are going to merge), and don't take stupid chances

MK Ultra · 08-07-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

this actually reminded me of something pretty hilarious. while taking my motorcycle course there was this guy sitting in front of me who was probably in his early 40's at the youngest. had S.O.A on the back of his neck. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and figured it meant something else.. but getting a better look at it later i noticed it had the soa reaper underneath it and everything! I mean i thought he was a poser enough sporting one of those bell cobra helmets with the gi joe looking face mask on it but damn.. this guy took it to a whole new level.. I mean i love that show but shit...

..wonder if he has a C.H.I.P.S. tattoo on his arm as well..

I saw something like that a couple of months ago.
I'm cruising north on the 101 when a couple of street glides pass me, the first one was basic stock but the second one had a very intricate and expensive looking skulls paint job, but the funny part was the chubby, middle-aged guy on the skulls bike was sporting one of these:

mineistaken · 08-07-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Yes, you are correct, but the handlebar and the pegs on a smaller bike also gives you enough space to not crush your leg. Also the sport bikes are pretty light.

Dropping(Not getting hit by a car) a small bike is going to hurt your wallet more than your body if you have the right jacket, gloves, boots and jeans.

If you ware the right gear, follow the rules of the road and never go faster than 10 miles over the limit, you should be pretty good. Bad Shit happens when you ignore any of the above.

Knowing and respecting the Speed limit is so important!! If you are roughly riding at the speed limit, you will have more than enough time to react to another cars mistake. The faster you go, the less reaction time you will have when someone else makes a mistake.

The dreaded left "turn head on crash" can dramatically be reduced if you are at the speed limit or if you slow down before the intersection when you see a car in the left turn lane.

With all of the above followed properly, you can dramatically reduce your chances of getting hit, dropping your bike and or dying on a motorcycle.

Anyone who rides will agree with me. Hope that helps.

Just Dave

Sounds good enough as I am not the type of person who likes to run fast and dumb etc.
Ps: when you talk about clothing gear you mention "jeans". Are jeans good enough as far as riding gear goes?

JustDaveXxx · 08-07-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Top, my Road King weighing in at almost 800 pounds vs the Honda at 350 pounds, one hell of a difference.

The girl I'm dating is 5' 1" and weighs about 115. She has ridden since a kid, not bad but I wouldn't ride in the same lane at speed like I do with some friends. No way she could handle my bike because of the weight.

She was riding an old Suzuki that kept breaking down, this is a 2012 Honda Rebel 250. We found it in Orlando, only 600 miles for $3000.00 plus tax. Bike was a starter bike for a man that decided motorcycle riding wasn't for him.

They are inexpensive, get 80 miles a gallon, dependable as hell, parts available everywhere, easy to ride upright sitting position.

edit, mine has a true dual exhaust and is pretty loud, hers sounds like a sewing machine lol.

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Nice!!

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're getting 118 hp from a 103" motor?

I built my previous dyna to get 100hp and lose 100 pounds. it took A LOT of money and a 107" build + to barely hit 100hp.

Yes!

Had it Dyno tuned and re-mapped. When I put the headers on. Got the print out somewhere around here.

I have a 7 year tire to tire warranty on everything I had done to it. Harley will warranty everything they do if you get it all done within 3 months of purchase.

I bought my bike in 2012 and 2 months later HD came out with a stage 4 jet kit. Costed 6k just in parts. Was the very 1st one in Cali put in. New pistons, bigger throttle body, Cams, springs, bigger oil pump and a few other things.

I dropped 20K after I bought the bike and did everything so not to fuck my warranty. Thats why I went through Harley. Got everything that could be done, done.

One thing I did that would void my warranty, but I felt it needed to be done was I went with a Vance and Hines Race headers to go with my race pipes. That voids the heads gasket warranty.

But when I got the engine race mapped that voices my engine warranty. But I picked up a Master Tune 2 and I keep the stock map that Harley assigned all of my engine upgrades on a memory stick, so when I go to the Harley shop to get anything done, It takes 5 min. to load in the stock Harley Tune so to not void my warranty. When I get beach from the shop, I then load in my Race Map. Think of a "Map" as a program on how everything on the motorcycle is told how to work. Engine Revs, full to air mixtures, injectors, compression, timing, etc.

For me, reliability and dependability was the most important thing. I have worked on every motorcycle I have ever owned. But now I rather hop on it and go.

Im friends with all of the mechanics at Simi Valley Harley. I guess loading my saddle bags full of Porn really helps on getting me deals. lol

Everything I did that could fuck with my warranty, the lead mechanic suggested it and suggested the spot that does the best race running. They know not to pug my bike into the machine without asking me if my map was changed.

And yes 118 horses. The showed the Mechanics at Simi Valley Harley the print out paper work from the Dyno Machine. They all doubted the Stage 4 before the instal, but after it was put in and they rode it even they were impressed. I also got the 1, 2 and 3 before the 4.

Hey Dyno, I forgot you ride!! Call me up lets do this!! You still got my number?

Just Dave

L-Pink · 08-07-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Hey Dyno, I forgot you ride!! Call me up lets do this!! You still got my number?

Just Dave

This just reminded me, I have to call Dirty D back about riding.

dyna mo · 08-07-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Nice!!

Yes!

Had it Dyno tuned and re-mapped. When I put the headers on. Got the print out somewhere around here.

I have a 7 year tire to tire warranty on everything I had done to it. Harley will warranty everything they do if you get it all done within 3 months of purchase.

I bought my bike in 2012 and 2 months later HD came out with a stage 4 jet kit. Costed 6k just in parts. Was the very 1st one in Cali put in. New pistons, bigger throttle body, Cams, springs, bigger oil pump and a few other things.

I dropped 20K after I bought the bike and did everything so not to fuck my warranty. Thats why I went through Harley. Got everything that could be done, done.

One thing I did that would void my warranty, but I felt it needed to be done was I went with a Vance and Hines Race headers to go with my race pipes. That voids the heads gasket warranty.

But when I got the engine race mapped that voices my engine warranty. But I picked up a Master Tune 2 and I keep the stock map that Harley assigned all of my engine upgrades on a memory stick, so when I go to the Harley shop to get anything done, It takes 5 min. to load in the stock Harley Tune so to not void my warranty. When I get beach from the shop, I then load in my Race Map. Think of a "Map" as a program on how everything on the motorcycle is told how to work. Engine Revs, full to air mixtures, injectors, compression, timing, etc.

For me, reliability and dependability was the most important thing. I have worked on every motorcycle I have ever owned. But now I rather hop on it and go.

Im friends with all of the mechanics at Simi Valley Harley. I guess loading my saddle bags full of Porn really helps on getting me deals. lol

Everything I did that could fuck with my warranty, the lead mechanic suggested it and suggested the spot that does the best race running. They know not to pug my bike into the machine without asking me if my map was changed.

And yes 118 horses. The showed the Mechanics at Simi Valley Harley the print out paper work from the Dyno Machine. They all doubted the Stage 4 before the instal, but after it was put in and they rode it even they were impressed. I also got the 1, 2 and 3 before the 4.

Hey Dyno, I forgot you ride!! Call me up lets do this!! You still got my number?

Just Dave

impressive work man, was hoping you'd feel like giving the rundown on your build.

Holler at me with your #, I'm not seeing it on this phone I have with me. I'm traveling with family this summer, I sold the scooties and had to heal up from some surgery on my foot(not directly m/c related) and haven't ridden. Not sure if I'm a get another, kinda like seinfeld, wrap it up on top..................we'll see!

JustDaveXxx · 08-07-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by scuba steve

haha agreed, you emphasized everything i was trying to say

i've lost my back wheel before, slid out from under me on a turn and went down right when i first started riding. didn't have the right gear on, arm was total road rash. and i considered myself lucky, could've been 1000x worse. (no helmet, not the right shoes on)

honestly kind of glad i did cause i realized how easy it is and respected bikes a lot more. knock on wood haven't had any other accidents, 2 bikes later. control what you can, do your best to watch out for shitty drivers ( i swear i have a spidy sense now, can predict when dickheads aren't looking or are going to merge), and don't take stupid chances

I dropped once in my twenties.

Was at 25mph had shorts gloves and a good leather Jacket. That way taught me respect for the two wheels.

The gloves and Jacket way saved my ass!! And ever since then, I don't ever fuck around when it comes to gear.

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Sounds good enough as I am not the type of person who likes to run fast and dumb etc.
Ps: when you talk about clothing gear you mention "jeans". Are jeans good enough as far as riding gear goes?

Nobody is that type until you have the power and nimbleness of a rice rocket.

I lived in Palos Verdes and would ditch the cops weekly. My license plate would velcro on and off. When I would ride, I never planned on pulling over. And if the cops could never read my plate, I could dictate the speed of the chase. Not saying I was smart, because I was not.

Ditching cops in LA on LA Streets and Palos Verdes hills was too easy. It was as simple as going a few miles over the speed limit, splitting traffic, with 4 rows of traffic each lane, 10 cars deep at a red light. Would split it and turn right. Cops would never be able to get around all of those cars. Was so funny to me when I was in my twenties.

Did this weekly. Since my Plate was in my pocket, they could never read it.

Obviously I have way grown up since then. And I stay away from race bikes! Im smarter than I was then, but even today if I borrow One of my buddies carbon fiber Ducati's, I can't help but to speed. Usually 20+ miles over the limit. You feel that power at the flick of the wrist, you can't help but to use it. I have done 0-180 back to Zero on a 2 mile stretch on a tricked out 1300 on a public road. Cant help it when you have that kind of power.

Race Bikes to me and for me=Limited life expectancy.

Its too easy to go fast. If you had one or have one, you will know exactly what Im talking about.

Harleys for me for ever! Call me old, but I'm still around.

Just Dave

mineistaken · 08-07-2014, 02:27 PM

That is the reason I do not want sports bike - too fast and dangerous. So I will stick with streetfighter/roadster/sports touring/standard (they have too many names, lol).

MediumPimpin · 08-07-2014, 04:55 PM

The XJ6 is a great choice, perfect to learn on and it has great brakes, great handling, there is no downside for a new rider to this bike.

I have owned over 100 motorcycles, have a Pro AMA racing license, I have worded at Honda, Kawasaki and BMW dealers. Also owned three of my own motorcycle shops.

If not the XJ stay in that style, Jap or a Italian is the way to go, a Harley is just a go slow poser bike, that has no braking or no handling at all.

But when you are stopped at a light on a Harley people will go...

"Hey man nice ride" so there is that.

mineistaken · 08-07-2014, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MediumPimpin

The XJ6 is a great choice, perfect to learn on and it has great brakes, great handling, there is no downside for a new rider to this bike.

Any close alternatives?

MediumPimpin · 08-07-2014, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Any close alternatives?

Honda CBR500 is another great choice.

Vendzilla · 08-07-2014, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Nice!!

Yes!

Had it Dyno tuned and re-mapped. When I put the headers on. Got the print out somewhere around here.

I have a 7 year tire to tire warranty on everything I had done to it. Harley will warranty everything they do if you get it all done within 3 months of purchase.

I bought my bike in 2012 and 2 months later HD came out with a stage 4 jet kit. Costed 6k just in parts. Was the very 1st one in Cali put in. New pistons, bigger throttle body, Cams, springs, bigger oil pump and a few other things.

I dropped 20K after I bought the bike and did everything so not to fuck my warranty. Thats why I went through Harley. Got everything that could be done, done.

One thing I did that would void my warranty, but I felt it needed to be done was I went with a Vance and Hines Race headers to go with my race pipes. That voids the heads gasket warranty.

But when I got the engine race mapped that voices my engine warranty. But I picked up a Master Tune 2 and I keep the stock map that Harley assigned all of my engine upgrades on a memory stick, so when I go to the Harley shop to get anything done, It takes 5 min. to load in the stock Harley Tune so to not void my warranty. When I get beach from the shop, I then load in my Race Map. Think of a "Map" as a program on how everything on the motorcycle is told how to work. Engine Revs, full to air mixtures, injectors, compression, timing, etc.

For me, reliability and dependability was the most important thing. I have worked on every motorcycle I have ever owned. But now I rather hop on it and go.

Im friends with all of the mechanics at Simi Valley Harley. I guess loading my saddle bags full of Porn really helps on getting me deals. lol

Everything I did that could fuck with my warranty, the lead mechanic suggested it and suggested the spot that does the best race running. They know not to pug my bike into the machine without asking me if my map was changed.

And yes 118 horses. The showed the Mechanics at Simi Valley Harley the print out paper work from the Dyno Machine. They all doubted the Stage 4 before the instal, but after it was put in and they rode it even they were impressed. I also got the 1, 2 and 3 before the 4.

Hey Dyno, I forgot you ride!! Call me up lets do this!! You still got my number?

Just Dave

Guys out at Simi Harley are pretty cool, I like the guys in Glendale as well, which is where I got my bike.

I just got an email for the Love Ride in October that Glendale Harley does, biggest single day event in the US I'm told. Looks like we're going.

I ride somewhere on most weekends, next Wednesday night going to Schooners in Canyon Country with a friend, they have a live band, good pick of tap beers and food specials.

Vendzilla · 08-07-2014, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

That is the reason I do not want sports bike - too fast and dangerous. So I will stick with streetfighter/roadster/sports touring/standard (they have too many names, lol).

Are you in the LA area? If so, I can put you on a Sportster to see if you like it. Just don't wreck it!

Again, I would start with a used bike, get a good deal, see if you like it, if not, sell it and try a different one. I've known what I wanted for a long time..

I own a bunch of old magazines, here is my favorite

It's the very first issue of EasyRiders Magazine in great condition from June 1971

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MediumPimpin

a Harley is just a go slow poser bike, that has no braking or no handling at all.

But when you are stopped at a light on a Harley people will go...

"Hey man nice ride" so there is that.

riiiiiiiiiiight.

plenty of guys who can ride like this proof you wrong.

and I know as a "motorcyclist" you certainly cannot claim these skills are not valuable street riding skills, unlike being able to counter-steer or brake hard at @ 175mph on a track.

In fact, for the purpose of this thread and trying to relay real and safe and practical infos to a potential new rider, the skills at the speeds in this vid are head and shoulders more important.

PR_Glen · 08-08-2014, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MK Ultra

I saw something like that a couple of months ago.
I'm cruising north on the 101 when a couple of street glides pass me, the first one was basic stock but the second one had a very intricate and expensive looking skulls paint job, but the funny part was the chubby, middle-aged guy on the skulls bike was sporting one of these:

I can't imagine local clubs being too impressed seeing that shit on the roads.

MediumPimpin · 08-08-2014, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

riiiiiiiiiiight.

plenty of guys who can ride like this proof you wrong.

and I know as a "motorcyclist" you certainly cannot claim these skills are not valuable street riding skills, unlike being able to counter-steer or brake hard at @ 175mph on a track.

In fact, for the purpose of this thread and trying to relay real and safe and practical infos to a potential new rider, the skills at the speeds in this vid are head and shoulders more important.

Going through pylons at a walking pace is impressive to you? To be safe on the road you need a responsive ride, one that is light, not top heavy and has stopping power. Name one Harley that has that besides maybe a Vrod? I could do better then that guy on a Goped. Yes those riders do have skills, but put them on a better ride and what would happen then?

I was a mechanic for the City of Ft lauderdale police motorcycle fleet back then they had Kawasaki KZ1000 loaded up with all the gear that they needed. They were death traps anything over 60 MPH and it was a wild ride, the cops fucking hated them.

Then they switch to Harleys, they could not believe how much worse they were, they were stunned.

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MediumPimpin

Going through pylons at a walking pace is impressive to you? To be safe on the road you need a responsive ride, one that is light, not top heavy and has stopping power. Name one Harley that has that besides maybe a Vrod? I could do better then that guy on a Goped. Yes those riders do have skills, but put them on a better ride and what would happen then?

I was a mechanic for the City of Ft lauderdale police motorcycle fleet back then they had Kawasaki KZ1000 loaded up with all the gear that they needed. They were death traps anything over 60 MPH and it was a wild ride, the cops fucking hated them.

Then they switch to Harleys, they could not believe how much worse they were, they were stunned.

let's get real here, this thread is for a potential new rider and it's irresponsible to fill this thread with info that is way over what's practical.

1. you think 20+mph is walking speed? it's not. these are riding around town speeds and skills, period. that's not even up for discussion, it's like you think you're talking to someone who's never ridden. If those riders thought a dofferent bike would give them a competive edge, they'd use it.

2. my previous dyna and an xr1200 are both examples of h-d that are not top heavy and have excllent brakes.

edgeprod · 08-08-2014, 08:35 AM

I ride a Hayabusa, so I'm a bit biased, but the Harley/cruiser style sometimes gives a false sense of security for new riders, so you don't really know you're in trouble until you're WAY in trouble. It's nice to not have to lay down all the time to go fast, but the Hayabusa lets you know right away when things are going sideways -- it's hard to describe to someone who hasn't ridden.

Stay safe, in any event.

edgeprod · 08-08-2014, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

my previous dyna and an xr1200 are both examples of h-d that are not top heavy and have excllent brakes.

Agreed there. The h-d lineup has really impressed me lately. The Fatboy Lo was the most interesting to me, looks-wise, but I didn't love the ride. The cruisers at the top end, while expensive, really seemed to be a cut above what I had experienced in the past (when they rode more like a Goldwing). Now, they're very manageable, almost like riding down the road in your living room.

If I had to choose between another Porsche or one of the h-d cruisers, I'd take the latter without hesitation ... and for those who know me, that's saying something.

MediumPimpin · 08-08-2014, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

let's get real here, this thread is for a potential new rider and it's irresponsible to fill this thread with info that is way over what's practical.

1. you think 20+mph is walking speed? it's not. these are riding around town speeds and skills, period. that's not even up for discussion, it's like you think you're talking to someone who's never ridden. If those riders thought a dofferent bike would give them a competive edge, they'd use it.

2. my previous dyna and an xr1200 are both examples of h-d that are not top heavy and have excllent brakes.

Who the hell puts a new rider on a dyna or an xr1200? A new rider needs a light, easy to ride motorcycle with really good brakes. That will keep them safer, period.

Look at it this way most riders get into trouble with a car turning left in front of them. So you can either go left, maybe or right maybe, or stop. What bike would you want to be on in this instance at say 45 MPH?

Does your xr1200 handle so fucking good that you can go left or right, are your brakes so good and your training and experience so good that you could stop? Or are you old school and would just lay it down?

If a new rider is on oh say a CBR500 the odds go way up as all three options are looking better.

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Agreed there. The h-d lineup has really impressed me lately. The Fatboy Lo was the most interesting to me, looks-wise, but I didn't love the ride. The cruisers at the top end, while expensive, really seemed to be a cut above what I had experienced in the past (when they rode more like a Goldwing). Now, they're very manageable, almost like riding down the road in your living room.

If I had to choose between another Porsche or one of the h-d cruisers, I'd take the latter without hesitation ... and for those who know me, that's saying something.

goldwing is a fantastic tourer and worthy of consideration but what h-d has done with their touring frame is also very nice. I'd have a hard decision to make if I were needing to choose between the top of the line 2014 goldwing or a h-d ultra. both fantastic motorcycles.

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MediumPimpin

Who the hell puts a new rider on a dyna or an xr1200? A new rider needs a light, easy to ride motorcycle with really good brakes. That will keep them safer, period.

Look at it this way most riders get into trouble with a car turning left in front of them. So you can either go left, maybe or right maybe, or stop. What bike would you want to be on in this instance at say 45 MPH?

Does your xr1200 handle so fucking good that you can go left or right, are your brakes so good and your training and experience so good that you could stop? Or are you old school and would just lay it down?

If a new rider is on oh say a CBR500 the odds go way up as all three options are looking better.

when did i suggest putting a new rider on a dyna or xr? because I didn't. What id did do is suggest getting a bike after taking the beginner course.

you blew off H-d saying they don't handle but will get a "cool bike" comment at a stoplight. that's incorrect and the video proofs that, those bikes are being handled at realistic street speeds and precision competitions were designed around that- street skills.

Look, if you want to think h-d are what you think they are that's fine, but let's not go around spreading that opinion as fact when it's not. it's an opinion and one many millions of people have proven wrong.

edgeprod · 08-08-2014, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

goldwing is a fantastic tourer and worthy of consideration but what h-d has done with their touring frame is also very nice. I'd have a hard decision to make if I were needing to choose between the top of the line 2014 goldwing or a h-d ultra. both fantastic motorcycles.

My only reservation with the Goldwing is that I might be SEEN riding the Goldwing.

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

My only reservation with the Goldwing is that I might be SEEN riding the Goldwing.

aye, there's the rub!

Vendzilla · 08-08-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

I can't imagine local clubs being too impressed seeing that shit on the roads.

I have friends with local clubs, you are correct, they hate those posers

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

My only reservation with the Goldwing is that I might be SEEN riding the Goldwing.

Spot ON! They are nice bikes, but jeez, they have reverse!

I love the ride of my Road King, it has air shocks and a LePara seat, it has both gel and memory foam which is very comfortable and cool looking!

I love having a fat front tire so that on the freeway the cement grooves don't whip you all over the place. It's a little wild when you are doing 90 and hit a groove on the freeway with a skinny front tire

MK Ultra · 08-08-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

goldwing is a fantastic tourer and worthy of consideration but what h-d has done with their touring frame is also very nice. I'd have a hard decision to make if I were needing to choose between the top of the line 2014 goldwing or a h-d ultra. both fantastic motorcycles.

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

My only reservation with the Goldwing is that I might be SEEN riding the Goldwing.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

aye, there's the rub!

I've been looking into getting a touring bike for a trip I've been planning across the country and back in a few years. Choice number one was a Honda Sport Touring model called the ST1300, but 2013 was the last year they built that model

The Gold Wing is one of the premiere touring bikes on the road but I always saw them as a "land yacht" just too big and top-heavy.

But then in 2013 Honda started making a cut-down version of the Gold Wing called the F6B (Flat Six Bagger) and that has some definite possibilities.

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MediumPimpin

The XJ6 is a great choice, perfect to learn on and it has great brakes, great handling, there is no downside for a new rider to this bike.

I have owned over 100 motorcycles, have a Pro AMA racing license, I have worded at Honda, Kawasaki and BMW dealers. Also owned three of my own motorcycle shops.

If not the XJ stay in that style, Jap or a Italian is the way to go, a Harley is just a go slow poser bike, that has no braking or no handling at all.

But when you are stopped at a light on a Harley people will go...

"Hey man nice ride" so there is that.

Kevin, FTR, this is solid advice on a beginner bike, not trying to undermine that, just thought it odd that this solid advice would end with a oh yeah, and harleys suck type of comment.

Vendzilla · 08-08-2014, 09:44 AM

Goldwings are not top heavy, where you see a gas tank, well it's not there, it's much lower, the center of gravity on them is very low to make them handle better and they do!

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MK Ultra

I've been looking into getting a touring bike for a trip I've been planning across the country and back in a few years. Choice number one was a Honda Sport Touring model called the ST1300, but 2013 was the last year they built that model

The God Wing is one of the premiere touring bikes on the road but I always saw them as a "land yacht" just too big and top-heavy.

But then in 2013 Honda started making a cut-down version of the Gold Wing called the F6B (Flat Six Bagger) and that has some definite possibilities.

dang, that's a sharp scoot.

Vendzilla · 08-08-2014, 09:57 AM

Take a look at the new line from Harley, they call it the Rushmore project, if you like cruisers.
http://projectrushmore.harley-davidson.com/en_US/home

edgeprod · 08-08-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MK Ultra

The Gold Wing is one of the premiere touring bikes on the road but I always saw them as a "land yacht" just too big and top-heavy.

But then in 2013 Honda started making a cut-down version of the Gold Wing called the F6B (Flat Six Bagger) and that has some definite possibilities.

Ride a Goldwing ... it's not as top-heavy as you'd imagine. Now, picking one UP isn't all that fun .... but you shouldn't do doing that more than once anyway.

The F6B actually has a very sport-bike feel to it (to me), and defeats the whole cruiser idea.

scuba steve · 08-08-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

I ride a Hayabusa, so I'm a bit biased, but the Harley/cruiser style sometimes gives a false sense of security for new riders, so you don't really know you're in trouble until you're WAY in trouble. It's nice to not have to lay down all the time to go fast, but the Hayabusa lets you know right away when things are going sideways -- it's hard to describe to someone who hasn't ridden.

Stay safe, in any event.

i wouldn't recommended someone's first bike a hayabusa, a bit powerful i would think

edgeprod · 08-08-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by scuba steve

i wouldn't recommended someone's first bike a hayabusa, a bit powerful i would think

Jesus .. fuck .. of course not! Anyone who recommends that would be an asshole. It'd be an absolutely AWFUL first bike .. the slightest over-throttle, and you are FUCKED, if you haven't been riding a while.

Vendzilla · 08-08-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Ride a Goldwing ... it's not as top-heavy as you'd imagine. Now, picking one UP isn't all that fun .... but you shouldn't do doing that more than once anyway.

The F6B actually has a very sport-bike feel to it (to me), and defeats the whole cruiser idea.

Yeah, picking up a 800lb bike will make you grunt a little, at least that's what my Road King weighs

L-Pink · 08-08-2014, 10:08 AM

The old dirt bike/enduro rider in me would love to take a 2-3 month trip out west staying off paved roads as much as possible.

edit: I'd go for the more aggressive tread tire option.

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edgeprod · 08-08-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah, picking up a 800lb bike will make you grunt a little, at least that's what my Road King weighs

Well, picking it up is fine, it's STOPPING the picking-up process when you get it upright .. it usually goes over to the other side, because you're pushing so hard, you over-do it, lol. I fucked up the kickstand and laid one down in my driveway (600 lbs), and it just kept going back and forth LOL .. fucked up the fairings really good.

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 10:43 AM

The secret to picking up a bike is to turn away from it squat down and grab it from behind your but and squat up with it.

Just in case someone might not know that!

L-Pink · 08-08-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

The secret to picking up a bike is to turn away from it squat down and grab it from behind your but and squat up with it.

Actually, if you wait till your friends stop laughing at you, 2-3 guys makes it easier

dyna mo · 08-08-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Actually, if you wait till your friends stop laughing at you, 2-3 guys makes it easier

Lol!
Hah. True although that would be a long wait.

SongRider · 08-08-2014, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MediumPimpin

a Harley is just a go slow poser bike, that has no braking or no handling at all.

But when you are stopped at a light on a Harley people will go...

"Hey man nice ride" so there is that.

My Harley must be a dud then... It rides like a dream at ALL speeds and is pretty damn quick and stops on a dime.

I might need to get it looked at...

And if people are saying anything to me at a light I cant hear them... because I am on my HARLEY!!! But I DO get a LOT of folks giving the big "Thumbsup" every time I ride!

Vendzilla · 08-08-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SongRider

My Harley must be a dud then... It rides like a dream at ALL speeds and is pretty damn quick and stops on a dime.

I might need to get it looked at...

And if people are saying anything to me at a light I cant hear them... because I am on my HARLEY!!! But I DO get a LOT of folks giving the big "Thumbsup" every time I ride!

I was thinking the same, I have two disc's on the front and one one the back with some good tires, it stops fast

edgeprod · 08-08-2014, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

The secret to picking up a bike is to turn away from it squat down and grab it from behind your but and squat up with it.

Just in case someone might not know that!

Wow, shit! I've never tried that .. but then again, I have only needed to pick a bike up very rarely, thank goodness.

MK Ultra · 08-08-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Goldwings are not top heavy, where you see a gas tank, well it's not there, it's much lower, the center of gravity on them is very low to make them handle better and they do!

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Ride a Goldwing ... it's not as top-heavy as you'd imagine. Now, picking one UP isn't all that fun .... but you shouldn't do doing that more than once anyway.

To be honest I've never ridden a Gold Wing, but a couple years ago I sat on one that had the full tour pack and the "Mama's Throne" passenger seat, it just felt too big and bulky, kind of like I was sitting on the Road Dog, leaning it to the left and right a few times just reinforced my dislike for the way the bike felt. It just did not feel "right" to me.

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

The F6B actually has a very sport-bike feel to it (to me), and defeats the whole cruiser idea.

I haven't seen one close up yet, my local dealer hasn't had one in when I was there, but looking at the pictures I think this bike is much more touring than sport oriented, the seating position, handlebar location and footpeg placement all look to me to be a very relaxed type of ride, I'll need to get on one before I make up my mind about the bike in general.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Take a look at the new line from Harley, they call it the Rushmore project, if you like cruisers.
http://projectrushmore.harley-davidson.com/en_US/home

I'm a Harley owner, I like Harleys and will own one for a very long time to come.
A new CVO Road Glide can run up to $35k, the F6b starts around $20k.
I've kind of decided against another Harley for a Touring bike mostly because I would have to get rid of the one I have now to help pay for the new one.
I'd rather get a jap touring bike for the long rides and keep my Dyna to piss off the neighbors

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

The secret to picking up a bike is to turn away from it squat down and grab it from behind your but and squat up with it.

Just in case someone might not know that!

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Wow, shit! I've never tried that .. but then again, I have only needed to pick a bike up very rarely, thank goodness.

Skip to 2:10, mineistaken you should watch this, you kind of "walk" it up.

Make sure you have it in gear and if it's on it's right side have the kickstand down, if it's on it's left side move very slowly when you are nearing vertical, it can get a bit nerve-wracking.

Dirty D · 08-08-2014, 10:35 PM

Here is my bike...

Not quite stock - http://www.netace.com/vmax

This is NOT a recommendation for a 1st bike...

mineistaken · 08-09-2014, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

1. you think 20+mph is walking speed? it's not. these are riding around town speeds and skills, period. that's not even up for discussion, it's like you think you're talking to someone who's never ridden. If those riders thought a dofferent bike would give them a competive edge, they'd use it.

Of course different bike would give them an edge. If a streetbike rider did that same track he would do it easier and/or faster. I think that is his point.

mineistaken · 08-09-2014, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

Here is my bike...

Not quite stock - http://www.netace.com/vmax

This is NOT a recommendation for a 1st bike...

I like it, it looks like a mix of cruiser and streetbike, at least from the size and looks point of view.

dyna mo · 08-09-2014, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Of course different bike would give them an edge. If a streetbike rider did that same track he would do it easier and/or faster. I think that is his point.

no, if a streetbike rider did that same track he'd fall over on the first turn.

Look at the guy whose never even ridden a bike telling me this nonsense!

again, as I keep stressing to you, keep assuming shit about bikes and you can also assume you will soon be a statistic.

/

mineistaken · 08-09-2014, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

no, if a streetbike rider did that same track he'd fall over on the first turn.

Look at the guy whose never even ridden a bike telling me this nonsense!

again, as I keep stressing to you, keep assuming shit about bikes and you can also assume you will soon be a statistic.

/

You do not need to ride a bike to know (after reading feedback from bike riders) that street bike is easier to navigate and handle when you are driving city streets. That is a fact. And the thing that you assume only those who have ridden a bike could know this fact is pretty moronic..
I also know that most common deadly situation with bikes is cars turning left not seeing you. How can I know that without even riding a bike, that is a mystery. I simply can not know that, I have not ridden a bike..
I also know that dirk bike would be better in dirt then cruiser, how can I know that without even riding a bike... Mystery for sure.

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MediumPimpin Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,488	The XJ6 is a great choice, perfect to learn on and it has great brakes, great handling, there is no downside for a new rider to this bike. I have owned over 100 motorcycles, have a Pro AMA racing license, I have worded at Honda, Kawasaki and BMW dealers. Also owned three of my own motorcycle shops. If not the XJ stay in that style, Jap or a Italian is the way to go, a Harley is just a go slow poser bike, that has no braking or no handling at all. But when you are stopped at a light on a Harley people will go... "Hey man nice ride" so there is that. __________________ nats.mediumpimpin.com Last edited by MediumPimpin; 08-07-2014 at 05:06 PM..

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Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Goldwings are not top heavy, where you see a gas tank, well it's not there, it's much lower, the center of gravity on them is very low to make them handle better and they do! __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

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Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Take a look at the new line from Harley, they call it the Rushmore project, if you like cruisers. http://projectrushmore.harley-davidson.com/en_US/home __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	The old dirt bike/enduro rider in me would love to take a 2-3 month trip out west staying off paved roads as much as possible. edit: I'd go for the more aggressive tread tire option. . Last edited by L-Pink; 08-08-2014 at 10:10 AM..

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,995	The secret to picking up a bike is to turn away from it squat down and grab it from behind your but and squat up with it. Just in case someone might not know that! Last edited by dyna mo; 08-08-2014 at 10:46 AM..

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mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	That is the reason I do not want sports bike - too fast and dangerous. So I will stick with streetfighter/roadster/sports touring/standard (they have too many names, lol).

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edgeprod Permanently Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,019	I ride a Hayabusa, so I'm a bit biased, but the Harley/cruiser style sometimes gives a false sense of security for new riders, so you don't really know you're in trouble until you're WAY in trouble. It's nice to not have to lay down all the time to go fast, but the Hayabusa lets you know right away when things are going sideways -- it's hard to describe to someone who hasn't ridden. Stay safe, in any event.

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