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Old 08-30-2014, 06:59 AM   #51
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If it was up to me.... I would land ten thousand US Marines right smack in the middle of Ukraine... Then let's see what Putin is going to do. It's not like we haven't fought a dozen proxy wars in the past fifty years.
Those ten thousand US Marines will be peace of meat in there. You need air support, war ships,tanks,artillery and etc.....

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Old 08-30-2014, 07:00 AM   #52
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Nope, crazy lunatic dictators are like kids, you need to set boundaries for them.
That's exactly what Putin is doing....... he's setting boundaries for Washington
After all who's done the most invading over the last 20 years? Russia or USA?
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:20 AM   #53
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That's exactly what Putin is doing....... he's setting boundaries for Washington
By grabbing land from Ukraine? Yeah, that hurt the US pretty bad, I can see them crying a river from all the way over here.
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:36 AM   #54
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By grabbing land from Ukraine?
No by entering US airspace, testing capabilities, dropping US businesses, rejecting US/Euro products, currencies wars, trade wars, hacking wars. Its not actually clear how complete any land grab by Russia is yet and im not pro Russia but I would take a wait and see on that one. For sure, no-one should expect Russia not to fight back in some way against sanctions like this.
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You are just repeating western propaganda. Putin is one of the greatest leaders of our time. He has done great things for Russia's economy and enjoys approval ratings that US presidents can't reach.

The same was true for Hitler prior to WW2, but even more so. Pre-WW2 Hitler is arguably the greatest head of state this world has ever seen. Germany was in the dumps and the Nazi party turned it around very quickly and they became #1 in the world. It was one of the most stunning economic turnarounds ever. The events around WW2 have just made it extremely taboo to shed Hitler in any positive light, so nobody does.

The thing to watch out for is when a leader does great things, gains the overwhelming backing of his people and thus feels emboldened to take risks. He will be president of Russia until 2018. I do suspect that he will make a bold move of some kind before then.
once again you prove to be the resident GFY nazi - or extremely ignorant. or both.

i'd say go educate yourself but i am afraid this is a lost case
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:05 AM   #57
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If it was up to me.... I would land ten thousand US Marines right smack in the middle of Ukraine...
Are you mad? How long they will least there? Days? Hours? They will be turned into meat just immediately. Man, Ukraine is not Mexico. There will be no supply, no protection for these doomed marines nor even a way to escape. You should stop watching cheap Hollywood blockbusters

P.S. Once again: what's your rank? A private? I'm asking this because I doubt you have an officer education. A cannon fodder who's not allowed to think - yes, but not an officer for sure. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:06 AM   #58
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By grabbing land from Ukraine? Yeah, that hurt the US pretty bad, I can see them crying a river from all the way over here.
Who cares of the Ukraine? No, for real. Who cares of it?
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History will show that Putin's moves will set Russia back decades. They were actually on their way to being a real working country until he ran it into the ground with backwards thinking. If you don't want to play nice with the other kids in the sandbox, you'll get shut down economically -- unless you want to just try for an all out military world invasion. We've seen how that worked out for Japan and Germany.

Putin's actions now are a sign of weakness, not strength.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:46 AM   #61
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History will show that Putin's moves will set Russia back decades.
Are you kidding? The same was told in 2008 when Russia has kicked the Georgian ass. Nothing happened in fact. I do not support what Putin does in the Ukraine, but I strongly believe there will be not long term consequences because nobody gives a shit about that country. It's like Libya or Iraq. Were the States set back decades? Course not. Ukraine is a small Africa in the center of Europe, so nothing will happen.
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Who cares of the Ukraine? No, for real. Who cares of it?
Seems that you don't. So why you so much pretend that Russia has nothing going on in Ukraine? Just don't care. You could apply it to writing about it altogether, just don't care.

I care for Ukraine, not because of Ukraine per se, but because I don't like countries invading and annexing other countries. Especially Russia, and that has just to do with the fact that Russia is a bit closer to me, than for example Somalia or something. But I don't like that even if it happens in Africa.
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So why you so much pretend that Russia has nothing going on in Ukraine?
Me? When and where? I did always say that Ukrainian rebels have some kind of support from Russia. This is not a secret. On the other hand, I did say that if Putin will decide to start a real war against the Ukraine (in a way MrDiez and other fags are dreaming for) or even a small calming military operation as in case of Georgia, you will notice it
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Me? When and where? I did always say that Ukrainian rebels have some kind of support from Russia. This is not a secret. On the other hand, I did say that if Putin will decide to start a real war against the Ukraine (in a way MrDiez and other fags are dreaming for) or even a small calming military operation as in case of Georgia, you will notice it
You have downplayed Russia's role, as you seem to keep that either it's full war or nothing at all. The definition of "real war" is now quite blurred. Russia seems to have thousands soldiers and hundreds of tanks and other vehicles making war against Ukraine. Seems to be pretty real to me. Of course Putin could keep it's line, put everything it has on the line and say "They are not our forces."

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Russia seems to have thousands soldiers and hundreds of tanks and other vehicles making war against Ukraine. Seems to be pretty real to me.
Seems? Seems what? Seems to who? Bring me the real facts and let's discuss. As we say: "если кажется, крестится надо".

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You have downplayed Russia's role, as you seem to keep that either it's full war or nothing at all.
I can not downplay or overplay it. Neither me nor you because we both don't know anything for sure. Please don't pretend to be a director of SVR or GRU.
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Seems? Seems what? Seems to who? Bring me the real facts and let's discuss. As we say: "если кажется, крестится надо".

I can not downplay or overplay it. Neither me not you because we both don't know the real fact. Please don't pretend to be a director of SVR or GRU.
What is "real fact" to you? Multiple and quite reliable sources have identified Russian forces attacking against Ukraine troops. You can't know anything from certain, other than your own existence. And as you brag about being an officer, let me, just a NCO, to let tell you that war is full of uncertainty. You have to make conclusions with little and often uncertain information and act based on it. So, now that we have shitload information, good information and quite reliable information, it's not that hard to make conclusions.

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Something what is real. Real, not "seems to me". Please stop asking me these dumb questions.
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Something what is real. Real, not "seems to me". Please stop asking me these dumb questions.
So what's real to you? You get information, how do you define it being a real or not?

Also, I don't need to be even close 100 % certain about making conclusions and decisions regarding war and other similar situations. This is not science.

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No offense please, but I will not answer to your posts anymore.
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No offense please, but I will not answer to your posts anymore.
Good, no offence, I wish it would be the same in Ukraine.
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sooner or later Colonel Slanders will only answer the other PPP members and no one else! Yay!
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Ideally the border between Russia and Ukraine would reflect the genuine wishes of the clear majority on both sides as ascertained by a free and honest plebiscite.

Unfortunately, that's about as likely an occurrence as a Jewish Pope.
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Yes I mean, it's totally the Finns fault that Russia has also violated Finland's airspace 3 times since the 23rd of this month.. Obviously it's the West's fault for putting Finland and Ukraine's boarders so close to Russia.
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You forgot the "L".

No one got the PPP at first either, but it is catching on.
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That's exactly what Putin is doing....... he's setting boundaries for Washington
After all who's done the most invading over the last 20 years? Russia or USA?
why 20 years not 100 years?
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PPP strategy tip #1:

Selective Statistics swing things a certain way, choose wisely or no PutinPay for you.
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Yes I mean, it's totally the Finns fault that Russia has also violated Finland's airspace 3 times since the 23rd of this month.. Obviously it's the West's fault for putting Finland and Ukraine's boarders so close to Russia.
Well, according to some Russia's leaders, this is Russia's fault, because it let Finland, etc. get independent. There have been some talking about correcting this mistake.

Of course Russia didn't actually let anyone get independent, as countries declared to be independent. So Russia's mistake was not to oppose this with military means (like in "satellite" Hungary and Czechoslovakia), instead of saying "OK".

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I for care! I have many bank account there, all shady no tax dealings!
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What about every fucking other nation, most notably Ukraine? What about their interests?
they showed what they interest are in last 25 years. every 5-10 years they elect new power, later overthrow it during scandal/ revolution, and yet again - they still elect other thiefs later who will steal the hell out of them and their country..

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If the EU/US allow him to take over Ukraine, where will he stop?
I would suspect he will stop at the first NATO country.
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they showed what they interest are in last 25 years. every 5-10 years they elect new power, later overthrow it during scandal/ revolution, and yet again - they still elect other thiefs later who will steal the hell out of them and their country..
So, they want to vote thiefs. So, that's their interest. So Putin's actions are against their interests, as they didn't vote him.
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Noone cares what they (or anyone else) want unless they have enough power to defend things they want. Putin doesn't like what they want and he has enough will and resources to impose his will on them. If they don't like it they can wage war alone or with help from someone, if they dare.
Russia is not a charity, far from it. We spend large chunk of our budget on the army. Don't like what Russia doing? Spend on your army as well. Just don't expect another country to care about what you want.
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Noone cares what they (or anyone else) want unless they have enough power to defend things they want. Putin doesn't like what they want and he has enough will and resources to impose his will on them. If they don't like it they can wage war alone or with help from someone, if they dare.
Russia is not a charity, far from it. We spend large chunk of our budget on the army. Don't like what Russia doing? Spend on your army as well. Just don't expect another country to care about what you want.
You just defined "assholes".
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Old 08-31-2014, 01:46 PM   #94
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Assholes? Exactly. But it is better to be an ashole than be a bitch and take dicks in ass in this global prison countries exist in.
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Assholes? Exactly. But it is better to be an ashole than be a bitch and take dicks in ass in this global prison countries exist in.
They don't exclude each other. Although assholes tend think so. Asshole just means being asshole.
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They don't exclude each other. Although assholes tend think so. Asshole just means being asshole.
I am sorry, but they do. Strength is everything. With enough strength you can do everything you want. You even don't need money as everything is free for the strong.
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I am sorry, but they do. Strength is everything. With enough strength you can do everything you want. You even don't need money as everything is free for the strong.
You don't really get the concept of being asshole. It is not synonym for being strong.

But when you are strong and asshole, the result is what you described.
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Sure. And currently this is the case when Ru is being an asshole and is quite strong. At least stronger than Ua. And friends of Ua don't hurry to help it, no, they just talk and talk, and pretend that nothing special happens. These friends looked like they were stronger so Ua did chose to align with them, but it seems like that they are either not that strong or they just don't have any tiny bit of willpower.
In real life if a group of people has no willpower, if they scared, even much smaller group of motivated people can put them on their knees. I myself saw a case when two average men beat up a group of at least ten - they just picked one after another while rest were watching in fear and hoping that they will be spared.

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We have WW3... of course will not be the war with weapons... but economic war and energy war... has started...
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We have WW3... of course will not be the war with weapons... but economic war and energy war... has started...
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