blackmonsters

Why does someone who maxes out the SAT score think they should be admitted before someone else who scored well enough to get admitted and was a marching band standout?

Shouldn't it matter that marching band is talent.

But lets say that 100% bookworms should be admitted to college first; after I admit a percentage of them can I then start admitting students with visible/physical talent?

Simply put; at a certain point can I stop making the SAT score the most important factor?

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woj

it's not the most important factor... it's one of many factors they use to consider applicants for admission...

my guess is that GPA is the most important one... if you don't take your classes seriously enough to get decent grades in high school, you aren't going to take college seriously either...

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blackmonsters

But people are suing because they had high SAT scores and didn't get admitted.

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Horatio Caine

Why do they look for big physical guys on a football team? Why cant they let couple of Paki boys on and let them play strong safety?

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blackmonsters

Why does the football team stop looking for the biggest guys after the ofensive line is complete and start looking for fast guys or a "Paki boy" to kick field goals?

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blackmonsters

Try staying on topic.

Affirmative Action doesn't have anything to do with a marching band member being chosen over a book worm.

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Horatio Caine

Because they do not need any more players on offensive line, simpleton. Just like we don't need 200 people with Kinesiology degree who will be delivering pizza after graduation.

Horatio Caine

Maybe because college is about education and producing doctors, engineers, teachers etc.
I can't remember any profession with "marching band" in its title.

blackmonsters

True, all those professional band teachers leave "marching" out of their title because there is always concert season.

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PeR930

Who grew up wanting to be a matching band teacher? Nobody

Xenophage

Why do people think they should get preferential treatment just because their skin color is black?

blackmonsters

Yeah, nobody grows up wanting that; they don't usually turn to that until they see that porn is their other alternative.

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jimmycooper

"100% bookworms" is a better way to describe students with a high GPA. Test scores are more indicative of intelligence.

blackmonsters

I don't know; it's a question that's been asked though out America's history.
Why did America form such a system hundreds of years ago?

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blackmonsters

Sorry, but I don't feel that way on the firing range when training soldiers to shoot grenades.

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Horatio Caine

You silly little boy. Kids with musical talent don't waste time on marching bands. They practice their Beethoven instead. By the time they go to college most of them discovered their talent and performed number of gigs. Thats why they get music department scholarships not marching band.

Horatio Caine

I think he's talking about academic scores.

jimmycooper

That's your problem.

jimmycooper

Yep. Exactly.

beerptrol

The bookworms are usually the ones doing the athlete's homework and taking their tests in certain schools!

Plus the high sat/act balances(averages) out the dumb jocks scores

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PR_Glen

did you go to highschool in an 80's stereotype movie?


how did this turn into a racial thread?

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Horatio Caine

Have you been living under rock lately?

newB

This answer is going to be disjointed, mainly because so is your question(s).

To a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Those who are good at standardized tests think that the SAT should be weighted more heavily.

You're getting closer. Now what about those with creative talents that are not physical and cannot be quantified on a standardized test? (See Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences)

You don't need to, because it typically isn't. There's a correlation between SAT scores and how well a freshman does their first semester - when they take the general "weed out" courses - after that, their curriculum is going to become increasingly specific to their interest and possible career goals, and the SAT scores become less relevant. Therefore, universities want to make reasonably sure students can get past that point by having a minimum SAT requirement, but after that they want students with strong aptitude towards what the school has to offer.

You mention marching band - typically very important to 'black colleges' and those that go to bowl games. All else being equal, a "marching band standout" would therefore be a better candidate for Alabama than say Harvard. Now suppose instead that rather than being a marching band standout, they are now captain of their school's 4-year-running tri-state-area championship debate team. Their chances of getting into Harvard just went up dramatically.

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And incase you're totally clueless

UNC athletics report finds 18 years of academic fraud - CNN.com

Horatio Caine

Trivia question.
Who would you chose:
a. Harvard grad doctor with his diploma.
b. Grambling State grad doctor with marching band pictures.

beerptrol

No but I went to college in the late 80's early 90's and saw it first hand!

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JustDaveXxx

Intresting thread.


How many people here went straight into college University out of high school? How many people went to Jr. college before university? How many people started college and dropped out? How many people commenting actually finished college? Curious...


I have met some very genius and successful people that never went to college and or dropped out. College by no means garentees Life success or lack of going to college guarantees Life failure.



Personally I went to Jr. college, then I transferred into state university. My grades and GPA sucked ass after high school.


One key thing I noticed was when I finished Jr. college, with a 2.85 GPA, I had a greater selection of colleges than people with 3.8 GPAs coming out of high school.

Coming out of Jr. College, shows bigger universities, that I can do the work and that I can already handle college life and its academic courses.


I didn't do marching band, I never took the SAT, I didn't do community service and all of the lame shit that highs school students needed to do, to look good for school administrators.


When I was in University, I can't tell you how many people with high SAT scores, 4.0 high school GPAs, etc, fail out because they just couldn't deal with the new freedom away from mommy and daddy's household. So many people failed out or just quit.


College has a 80% drop out rate. And school administers know this. Thats why they are looking for things other than SAT scores and GPAs in account to choosing their future students.


Im wasn't the sharpest high school graduate and I knew I had a shit track record on what the college administrators were looking for. But when I finally got into university, I finished with 2 degrees and 2 minors and went on to Law School. You just never know who is who and who is going to do what by academic standards alone.


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blackmonsters

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

I had the high SAT score and the straight A's in high school and went to college with a
friend who's high school report card was terrifying!
I was like "is he even going to get into this college?????".

He graduated before me; I had to finish in summer school.

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JustDaveXxx

Once I got in, I never wanted to leave. I got forced to graduate.

I made more money applying for all of the hispanic scholarships, American Indian,(Even applied for the gay scolarships), state grants and federal pell grants. I made a lot of money fleecing the system.


The Dean of the communications saw what I was doing and forced me to graduate. Once I graduated, all of that money that was available to undergraduates wasn't available to graduate students.

If I wasn't forced to graduate, I still would be in school today. I would probably have 15 Bacholar degrees. Not kidding! Never wanted to get into the real world.


Between free money from school and getting a shit ton of sponsorships for competing in Brazilian Jui-Jitsu, life was easy. Free money, free food, free clothing, free shoes, etc. Miss those days


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blackmonsters

Yes, I left out abstract creativity specifically because we don't really have a test that makes sense for that.
But I will measure what creativity I can and the physical talents demonstrate some measure of a student's creativity.

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blackmonsters

Miss those days my ass!
Be glad you have a real job, ok.

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My music teacher back in Jr high would have done well in porn. Damn she had a nice rack.


Okay daydreaming over, back to reality. Some of these bookworm kids trying to enter college might possibly have an inflated sense of self-worth and thus have a high level of false entitlement, most likely inherited or given to them by their parents who think their kid is *special*.

Come to think of it that same sense of entitlement so many people seem to be walking around with today is the reason for all kinds of law suits, so it would be no surprise at all if it were the thing being used by kids to force their way into this college or that.

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Captain Kawaii

85% or so of the people in college should probably not be there.
Everyone should have the opportunity to go but why fill the world with more mediocrity with a diploma than already exists?

Captain Kawaii

Uh, you just made it one, numbnuts.


On another note.

Ask North Carolina how their programs are going. Just got sued by a former athlete who said he was pushed into underwater basket weaving classes to keep himself eligible. Now he has no sports career and no future.

AmeliaG

If somebody works really hard at school, and has aptitude, I'd expect them to be good at that type of academics.

If someone works really hard at band practice, and has aptitude, I'd expect them to be good at that type of music.

Does anyone have a link to the original article?

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blackmonsters

I advise people with musical talent to make a hip hop song; but maybe Beethoven is the new rage.

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School admissions has to determine how serious the student is. Are they going to stick with the program? Can they handle the work load? A high GPA and good testing scores prove that the student applied themselves in a broad range of subjects, which is important at the university level since they are dealing with fickle 17-18yo kids.

If someone has a 2.5 GPA and scored low on SAT/ACT, but they have a special talent, then a trade school centered around that talent may be a better option.

420

Why do you have to be admitted to college? Pay tuition if you want to go; if you fail then you pay extra to take the course again. 'Sorry sir, you have to be intelligent to get further education.'

blackmonsters

High schools don't hire coaches and band directors from trade schools.

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Horatio Caine

Nothing demonstrates failure more than 2.8 GPA in GC. Easiest classes and you are failing again.

Horatio Caine

Rap is poetry not music. You are getting confused.

Horatio Caine

I don't think thats something to be proud off. You wasted public money, time and most importantly opportunities for others. How is this funny at all? My scholorships came from companies like EDS and Arthur Anderson. Of course my GPA wasn't 2.8, my major wasn't in forest preservation and it took me 4 years to start making money in a real world.

JustDaveXxx

HAHAHAHA!! Yet you are here on GFY miserable, trolling others and picking fights.



Aurthor Anderson? The 10 year defunct big five accounting firm? Were you and accounting student drop out? Couldn't pass the CPA exam? Still paying back student loans for your failed stint in college? Are you mad because I figured out a way to get through school for free and got paid for it? Upset are we?


You want to slam me for my GPA out of Jr. college? You paid to go to college and I figured a way to get paid to go to college and your smarter than me??? OK dude! Good luck with that demonstration of higher GPA education.



You are completely clueless dude!

If you did go to school and if you did receive any scholarships, you would understand how they get distributed dumb ass.

Scholarships and and grants are decided and distributed from a list of student and instructor submited applicants. The applicants the actually get chosen have the Highest GPAs with in their fields of study. So the fact that I apply for everything scholarship, Grant and the 4.0 student does not, makes me the bad guy? Bitter?? Troll?? Your post clearly demonstrates that you are a clueless tool looking to pick a fight.


Just Dave

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