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For anyone who has not seen the grand jury report here is a copy to read if you like .

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The first two shots were in the car when Brown was trying to wrestle the gun away; that is how the hand wound happened


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DWB

Knowing this, why do think the police continue to use 9mm? It's not like they don't have options.

seeandsee

police errors dont have to be charged, but imagine someone killing cop tragedy, hypocrats

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Well, to be fair, I read the grand jury report and apparently he was using a .40. Turns out that shots to the hand and arms does not have the desired affect. Guess that is why cops are not trained to shoot at limbs instead of the torso.

As far as why do cops use a 9mm over a 357, I suspect a lot has to do with what if they miss.

dyna mo

interesting, perhaps seeric might have some insight to this. I'm now curious also.

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TheSquealer

We are probably about the same age. There was a time which you recall that all police used .38 revolvers for many decades as the standard. Then came the .38 special/magnum. Then they all started switching to .357 revolvers for more knockdown power. Then .357 magnums. Then Barettas appeared on the scene as a reliable, high capacity pistol... 16 in the clip, 1 in the pipe and took over as the military branches adopted them to replace .45's adn for a while, everyone had a glock 9 or baretta. It did not take very long before people started switching to .40's and .45's for the knockdown power as 9mm doesn't do much to stop a 300 pound, pissed off person.

Most police everywhere in the USA, choose and buy their own weapons (handguns anyway) as far as i know. Peoples choices are rarely perfect.

I would guess this cop realized immediately that a 9mm wasn't a great choice... regardless of how cool Mel Gibson made them look.

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baddog

I just consulted with a cop. He said the 9 and 40 are about the same and the reason he picked the 40 was price and the number of bullets it holds.

L-Pink

Attached link is from an FBI shootout that changed their view on stopping power. Under "Aftermath" it talks about different loads for the .40

1986 FBI Miami shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Rochard

One is a police office about to arrest someone for committing a crime, while the other is a criminal who just shot and killed someone because they don't want to go back to prison.

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Being this size, I can tell you that when I get pissed, people get nervous around me. Cops pull out tasers. Yes I have had one pointed at me.

Being a big guy, you know that when dealing with others you have to keep your distance and talk calmly at all times. If you are around police, more so. Brown being called a kid is ridiculous given his size. He was an idiot for attacking a cop, more so for running way, then charging the cop.

As far as carrying a 9mm, If I were a cop, I would carry something bigger, .45 acp or 40 SW

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seeric

Most of the departments let officers carry the calibre that they prefer. When I was an officer, we had duty weapons issued. They were 9MM Berretta.

Wilson was carrying a Sig Sauer P229 - .40 cal version, on the day that he shot MB.

Evidence photos of his duty weapon after the incident here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...case.html?_r=1

He testified to the same for the Grand Jury:

A: ’I have my, I’ll go in order. Magazine pouches sit right here, my weapon is on my right hip, I have an asp that sits kind of behind me and kind of to the right and then a set of handcuffs, another set of handcuffs, my OC spray or mace is on this side and then my radio and that’s it.’
Q: ‘Okay, so your mace is on your left side and your gun is on your right side?’
A: ’Correct.’
Q: ‘What type of weapon did your carry?’
A: ’I carry Sig Sauer, a P229 .40 caliber.’

If I had to be a cop these days, I would carry a .40 or a .45 calibre. 9MM is not enough stopping power these days.

A lot of the stopping power though is really controlled by the rounds that you put into it, regardless of the calibre.

Lot of personal preference involved with that.

seeric

Accuracy too. Much easier to group 9mm over higher calibre. So, yah, that is definitely part of it. Aaron M is your man to discuss calibre. Man takes his gun science seriously.

baddog

But as an African-American do you think his opinion can be trusted?

seeric

Definitely not.

AaronM

Once again "the man" is keepin a brotha down.

baddog

Just make sure your hands are in plain sight.

beenthereb4

It was a link for people to read the report so fuck you !

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baddog

Sorry, did not realize you are Mother Jones.

Best-In-BC

That's called a coward act.

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L-Pink

Actually that's called being a poor shot. If he would have killed him in 2 shots what would have changed?