DamageX

What's the next free site model? What ideas do you see people coming up with, in order o give away even more shit for free?

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Fucking typo, I sure as hell fat-fingered that one... I obviously meant pic posts.

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disinfected

Interactive sites. Just can't see how shooting porn, allowing video downloads inhibiting video uploads (to tubes) is sustainable. The second the new video is released the value of it goes to like 1 cent on the dollar.

That is just my opinion, but I'm sticking to it ;)

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Best-In-BC

Yea tgps and tubes hosting there own content is doing good. Be aware of all the Google restrictions on content, and some of those tube search sites/map style tubes are still there and blogs gain some strength with the last update it apeared

Best-In-BC

Alot of old tactics and scripts still work but hosting content and some text is key

chloelewis

I have given a lot of free videos to have more people come to my shows live. I think more models are too doing the same now. A video is not personal but talking and becoming friends with cam models is priceless. You cannot pirate live interaction and friendship on a tube site.

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custom post shoot ad placements. yeah, lots of green screens. can you dig it?

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DamageX

Right, but that's not the next free site model. It's just uploading your videos to tubes, which already exist. My question is, what comes after tubes?

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The reality. Thats the future. No more scripts, just the interactive and live and reality sex.

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DamageX

So how are you gonna give that away for free, in order to one-up the tubes and suck in the traffic?

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I think many are hoping that will not be possible and that tubes showing hardcore will be shut/seized. With ATVOD and other countries coming together, however good, bad or misguided their intentions are, I think free exposure to hardcore is in the twilight hours/days/months...just my

Klen

Doubt that,there was in Prague 24/7 reality show (bigsister)where anyone could come and fuck girls as long he signed a permission to be filmed yet they went out of business.

DamageX

Hope is a bad plan. You need ACTION, which we haven't seen much of. Tons of whining, sure, but no action, other than issuing shittons of DMCA's. Which is pretty much playing whack-a-mole.

Yeah, good luck with that... One thing I learned many years ago is that you can never put the shit back into the horse. Progress always goes forward, nothing ever goes back to the way it used to be.

Herding cats. Never expect a bunch of different parties, with vastly different interests, to agree on anything any time soon. Bureaucracy, if anything, only slows things down.

So, bright minds of GFY, what's the next adult free site model, to lure massive traffic away from tubes?

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As usual, you make me laugh...with the knowledge you are correct. Honestly, I think free sites will only be for people who make content or buy content. The other sites will be driven to tors or the street or....?

ITraffic

what is happening in mainstream? copy that yet again.

signupdamnit

In a way tubes have already evolved beyond the common tube of 2007. They now have more social networking and they also accept photo galleries.

I think the evolution will be to something more social, customizable and adaptable to the end user. Fuck if I know what it will be called.

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DamageX

I think adult precedes mainstream in what's going on there. "Content marketing", which is becoming more and more the norm in mainstream, is pretty much the same thing we're doing in adult: give shit away for free, in hopes of making a sale. In fact, I'd argue that mainstream has also had its pic posts, TGP's and now has tubes. Content marketing started with small info articles directly pitching some product. Then the articles kept getting longer and longer and nowadays you see the same long text being posted across a big variety of platforms. Social media sites, video sites, document sharing sites, you name it. So in a sense mainstream already has its own tubes, being used to drive traffic to specific offers.

Tube 2.0?

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BTW, not sure this is a good thing or a bad thing.

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AlexanderSmich

Maybe virtual dating with virtual helmet? Something like that...

Paul

IMO it'll be virtual reality, I think it'll take another 5 years before it starts to take off but I think that's where we're headed.

It's pretty incredible that the website Kickstarter helped kickstart virtual reality from a cool idea a few years ago into a concept that has 10's of billions of dollars pouring into designing the headsets and platforms.

Struggle4Bucks

The next free thing is fucking prostitutes for free where they afterwards do upsales like tupperware and girlfriend-gifts...

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Thank you dx for cutting threw the bs, one of the most knowledgeable guys for this thread

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DamageX

So basically give away recordings for free, but charge for the interaction? Except for the VR twist on it, how's it any different from uploading videos of cam shows to tubes, then sending them off to a cam site for the live interaction?

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Quite the regressive oh poor me and "blame them" attitudes, no wonder why most people here are broke.

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When VR properly takes off there will be no need to start off at a tube site, it's difficult to speculate what form it'll take since the technology is in it's infancy. I don't see VR as a twist or novelty like 3D, I think it'll be a technology that will completely change the way we use the internet.

Everything online is a race to zero these days

Even if we take cam sites as an example, as competition increases and we have more and more models on these sites the amount they charge will decrease over time until someone decides to make cam shows free in the hopes of gaining market share and destroys the pay business model.

You could argue that Apps like Tindr/Gindr have already had that effect on the dating membership sites.

Best-In-BC

Models who make good coin, the girls people like, wont go there unless they can make more profit


You could but you would fail, that doesn't even make sense, please explain?

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Why pay for a dating service when there are plenty of them you can join for free?

Makes sense to me

Apps like Tindr have exploded in popularity because they are free and easy to use, they provide an excellent service that is as good if not better than the subscription based sites/apps that cost $.

DamageX

I definitely agree with the cams part. The fiercer the competition in any market, the lower the price the end customer ends up paying.

Not sure I buy your VR argument though. I've recently tested a VR gadget called Oculous. And while the quality wasn't quite ripe, the stuff you got to see was still pre-recorded. So I don't really see an issue for tubes to serve VR content, as soon as the technology allows it. So the concept would be pretty much the same as today. Use tubes by uploading recorded stuff and drive the traffic to a site where you have to pay for live interaction. We still need some good VR cameras, I'm not aware of any currently on the market.

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Free holographic porn. Before that free 3D porn. Delivery style is TGPMPGGGPPISSCIUIGHF.

After that free robot or clone sex, those are "beamed" just like in Star Trek. After that you could get a girlfriend. That is the top of the evolution of this shit.

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What about those who already have a girlfriend?

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adultmobile

Most pointed out the live, interactive cams, which can't be pirated except in recorded form (and so, the live interaction itself it can't be pirated). Still, some pointed out that more performers online will decrease the prices and so the earning per performer. That's true in average, but not for specific performers... some rooms will be crowded of paying users, or even just have 1 whale user trashing $5k a month alone, even if all others being freeloaders.

This trend is not even future, it is there.

The naughty.com ( https://web.archive.org/web/20071014...w.naughty.com/ ) tgp people launched cam4.com ( https://web.archive.org/web/20071016.../www.cam4.com/ ) around 2007, it was really 100% free and performers exhibitionists, no one getting paid, just adverts based business; cam4 added tips in 2010, but I believe ads sales it is still the main business model, like tubes somewhat.

Let's switch to myfreepaysite ( https://web.archive.org/web/20040701...eepaysite.com/ ) and other real/fake free passwords sites by Leo R., around since 2001, this diversified into myfreecams.com in 2004, such "mfc" cam site was unknown and small for years, until from 2009 it started to allow nudity in free rooms, for optional tips (note the traffic source was the one of my FREE pay site which advertised the free word), this in a few years emptied many private-only cam sites as most guys signed-up to mfc being "free", simply.

Later, new sites such as chaturbate.com and bongacams.com was launched, inspired by both cam4 and myfreecams, and several old cam sites adapted to this "show lots of nude and play for free" new wave, just not to see all of their users go away to free cam sites, for example naked.com so much looks like mfc now, or cams.com (streamray) launched stripshow.com where shows are free, and so on.

I can tell cam sites, with partly free and partly "closed" shows, if done properly and with enough critical mass of models/users, it can stay up profitable sort of forever, I can't see anything today or in future it can let collapse proper cam sites - except wrong management. Instead, I did seen properly managed (prerecorded) photo / movie sites collapse or ghostify, no matter quality and dedication, simply due to market factors.

About the 3d or VR or virtual remote dildos/vaginas: I see those 3d helmets around since late 1980's, anyone remembers the movie "The Lawnmower Man" (1992) ?... but it didn't mass-market-happened yet, so I don't think it will happen soon. There was some remote controlled dildos/vaginas in some cam sites, these was mostly gone too that I know of.

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Ok sry I agree with you

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ITraffic

all the major tubes started out copying youtube.

Paul

I'm only speculating and hopefully it'll bring up an interesting discussion, it wasn't that long ago that people thought 3D would be the technology that would be next.

In the case of VR, no one has even released a headset for resale yet so it's very early days.

Will it take off and be the next thing? IMO yes because of the money being invested in it but technology changes so fast these days. When Oculus do finally release their headset next year it's going to be for hardcore gamers and innovators to begin with, the potential is unlimited if they get the VR experience right.

To begin with VR will be an interactive gaming experience, then if successful it'll expand into other areas (that'll take a few years at least) I'm not convinced that adult tubes will be the main source of traffic in 5 years, it depends how fast things change and if the current companies have the ability to adapt quick enough.

You only have to look at smartphone apps to see how quickly a company with a good idea can go from nothing to critical mass/disruptive technology within a very short space of time i.e. WhatsApp

All these things have the same thing in common though, take a paid service and offer a better service for free.

The only constant is change and IMO technology is advancing and changing at an increasing speed. Look at online streaming 5 years ago compared to now and how it's changed the way the majority of us consume media and the impact it's had on the cable subscription business model.

Youtube is the biggest pirate website on the internet and it's existence has legitimised all the adult tubes that steal adult producers content because they can do so with impunity.

C H R I S

I tend to agree that "the next thing" is already here with the tipping based cam sites or "free cams". These sites are doing insane numbers just from a media buying standpoint and as others have pointed out it's about 1 on 1 contact where people tend to bring out the whale money. Of course the one difference between this new model is the barrier to entry is much higher than all the previous models like tgp's, mgp's, etc.... Sure anyone can do a white label but it is alot harder to put together a vertical cam site than a simple TGP....

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Have your shooter make the models wear fake tattoos with your url. Better yet, have them say things during sex like "I'm totally putting this video on disinfectedporn.com".

DamageX

Again, you're 100% right regarding cams. But what you're mentioning has nowhere near the ability/chance of drawing away all the mass traffic from the tubes.

Agreed. No one said otherwise.

Great points. But IMO none of them argues against tubes remaining the biggest crowd pleasers out there. Let's assume that technology required for streaming VR evolves at a somewhat similar pace to the one needed for creating/experiencing interactive VR. In such a case I still don't see any reason why tubes couldn't remain the biggest traffic mongers out there. They already have most of the traffic, it's only a matter of gradually phasing in a new type of content.

As said above, I don't disagree with the arguments about cams. But they're still not giving away anywhere near what tubes do. Thus they're not the biggest traffic magnets out there and will probably never be. Out of the big pie of porn, only a small slice is comprised of people who enjoy live, interactive shows. Most just prefer to rub one out to the kind of porn they like.

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Most porn surfers want to meet a real girl.

DamageX

And then they move in together and go back to porn.

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aka123

Maybe, but most importantly: they will make new porn surfers. And porn cycle will go on.

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I think the next thing will be that small webmasters and sites will just dissapear. It will not be a change in technology but rather a change in business model.

adultmobile

(Free) Cam sites do not naturally draw away the mass traffic from the tubes. The Cam sites pay the tubes advertisements to (artificially) push traffic from tubes to Cams. The Cam sites can convert a few tube surfers into cash cows, and I mean $5,000 per month per user it often happens. In other words, Cam sites (along with gambling, scams, pills etc.) are who currently pays the hosting bills of the tubes, making the tubes possible in first place.
Note we talk of adult tubes: when it comes to youtube, there any mainstream corporation can bid the advertising space; to show on adult tubes, you dilute and damage a brand, rather than improve it, except if this is a cam site, pills brand, gambling or any scam.

About Oculus Rift's, I still think it will be limited to few young hardcore gamers, and perhaps very few professionals like architects into previewing homes to customers, or doctors into telemedicine, no reason everyone should get an Oculus at home.
PERHAPS, if Apple will launch some VR stuff, only in this case, it may become mass market, just because it is Apple. Not for any other reason

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This is happening since long time. In the past our affiliates was mostly independent tgp's, blogs and member sites with own traffic, just putting links and banners there.
Lately (at least in cams), we see mostly people who owns no site and no traffic, but just finds ways to work in order to "spam" the few big sites, either submitting watermarked videos to big tubes, posting links in chatrooms by hand or via bots, or ultimately buying traffic from brokers but I see less and less people making this with profit, most of the media buys seems to me done directly between the big guys, tube to tube and program to tube.

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DVTimes

1. Websites will be taken over by phone apps (and tv apps).

2. Probably some netflix of porn type thing.

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Stop making sense divvy. Streaming porn tube that could be played on various devices would be nice.

The only problem is neflix is like $8 and streaming porn would be $30.

fuzebox

HD tubes, less ads, higher quality video, served in more of a channel format... integration with streaming and mobile devices a la Netflix.

fuzebox

Haven't they already?

Only solution is to become a big webmaster.

DamageX

So still tubes, but in an evolved format, right? Tube 2.0 then?

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dvtimes is right. the next wave will be some killer porn phone apps.