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Old 01-07-2015, 07:02 PM   #101
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Oops, my mistake - looks like the corporate-owned Canadian government is getting ready to trash THEIR clean water and pristine lands now, too...

Energy East Pipeline: TransCanada's Keystone XL on Steroids » EcoWatch
"Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper has called the project ?extremely exciting,? "

The man is a complete tool. PLEASE lets Trade him for Obama.
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Old 01-07-2015, 07:39 PM   #102
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"Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper has called the project ?extremely exciting,? "

The man is a complete tool. PLEASE lets Trade him for Obama.
Here's an idea.

You have such a hard-on for Obama and you are so fascinated with US left-wing politics why don't you just move to the US and join the cult along with the other brain-dead drones like BF3TK?

Harper has done a much better job with his time in office than Obama has with his. Any objective person should be able to see that. But you are obligated by your extremely myopic left-wing eco-warrior views to hate Harper because he is an "evil conservative".



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Old 01-07-2015, 08:04 PM   #103
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The Koch homies at it again... Got yall mufucas yappin about nothin much, while they pockets get fatter and fatter off this stagnant keystone shit. Heh.
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Old 01-07-2015, 08:31 PM   #104
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Here's an idea.

You have such a hard-on for Obama and you are so fascinated with US left-wing politics why don't you just move to the US and join the cult along with the other brain-dead drones like BF3TK?

Where did that "Like" button go?

Seriously, I'm only for the pipeline because Mark Prince is so dead set against it

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Old 01-07-2015, 10:51 PM   #105
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Where did that "Like" button go?

Seriously, I'm only for the pipeline because Mark Prince is so dead set against it

Cute pic, but I'm not dead set against it. As I said in a previous post, its safer than rail and truck. I don't know, but I'm assuming it takes less energy to push the oil, etc.

All I'm doing is asking WHY it is such a big deal to have it. It seems extremely risky because:

- The oil it will contain is the most toxic kind of oil
- Very long distance from source to tap
- Passes through a major aquifer in the Northern part of the US
- Less profit due to low price of oil which looks like it's here to stay for a while
- Means more foreign oil for the US, and billions of US Dollars spent in Canada instead of the US
- Only about 50 permanent jobs

Where are the conspiracy-minded folk from GFY in this thread? Doesn't it seem like something ELSE is going on here?
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Old 01-07-2015, 11:18 PM   #106
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As a proud Albertan...The home of the tarsands. ..I can say that although the Keystone would be a nice to have addition to our distribution network, we are not terribly concerned either way. It's still coming out of the ground and we'll still sell it. To think the US doesn't need the oil is the pipe dream of hipsters and other idealistic fools.
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:07 AM   #107
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:52 AM   #108
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- Only about 50 permanent jobs
That number is so dumb (it's one that anti-keystone sources keep throwing out there).

Mark you do realize that by using that logic NOTHING would ever get built. Everything that is constructed is built by companies that DO construction.
When you have construction crews building a highway, for instance, it gives work to the company that contacted the job.
Sometimes it takes years to complete projects. Money is constantly being pumped into the project. People working on it are making great salaries. And they SPEND that money (just like they always do) which helps the economy.

After the job is done? They move on to the next project.

That's how things work.

Using your logic...nothing would ever be built because it doesn't employ people for LIFE to build that one thing.
Of course that's not reality. I rarely see any hint of reality in these discussions.
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Old 01-08-2015, 12:00 PM   #109
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Old 01-08-2015, 01:09 PM   #110
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Greetings!

Question: Why do Americans want the Keystone XL Pipeline so badly?

Today it is going up for a vote, and Obama says he will veto it. Pollution, Carbon, very dirty oil, Greenhouse gasses, danger to aquifer, bad bad bad, blah blah blah, to which I agree of course.

But forgetting pollution and dangers for a moment, the XL Pipeline would ship Canadian oil to Texas, not the other way around. The US would depend in part, on Canada for its energy needs. Why then would the US want this? If you're drilling and making your own oil and trying for energy independence, and since the pipeline would be potentially very dangerous, why would you want it?
this is actually very funny.. "why doesn't obama get the blame for lower gas prices?" right? gas prices are dropping due to fracking and other sources of domestic oil... like a pipelines etc.... all the stuff Obama is fighting against
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That number is so dumb (it's one that anti-keystone sources keep throwing out there).

Mark you do realize that by using that logic NOTHING would ever get built. Everything that is constructed is built by companies that DO construction.
When you have construction crews building a highway, for instance, it gives work to the company that contacted the job.
Sometimes it takes years to complete projects. Money is constantly being pumped into the project. People working on it are making great salaries. And they SPEND that money (just like they always do) which helps the economy.

After the job is done? They move on to the next project.

That's how things work.

Using your logic...nothing would ever be built because it doesn't employ people for LIFE to build that one thing.
Of course that's not reality. I rarely see any hint of reality in these discussions.
while Greece is credited with the birth of democracy wait until Mark Prince figures out it was the the other Greek creation that allowed democracy to be created... Prince will be doing mental jumping jacks until he explodes...
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A massive cleanup may continue for a week after streets flooded, two people were hospitalized and a strip club was evacuated when an early-morning crude oil pipeline break sent a geyser of black goo spurting into the air Thursday.
Streets were closed in Atwater Village near Glendale northeast of downtown Los Angeles after approximately 10,000 gallons of crude oil -- enough to fill a backyard swimming pool -- spilled over a half-mile area. An above-ground 20-inch pipeline broke around 12:15 a.m. Thursday near 5175 W. San Fernando Rd.

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April 2, 2013

Nearly 12,000 barrels of crude oil spilled out of Exxon Mobil?s Pegasus pipeline into a Mayflower, Arkansas neighborhood causing the evacuation of 22 homes last Friday. The pipeline originates in Patoka, Illinois, and carries crude oil to the Texas Gulf Coast from Western Canada.


April 5, 2013
Thousands of gallons of oil have spilled from a pipeline in Texas, the third accident of its kind in only a week.

Shell Pipeline, a unit of Royal Dutch Shell Plc, shut down their West Columbia, Texas, pipeline last Friday after electronic calculations conducted by the US National Response Center showed that upwards of 700 barrels had been lost, amounting to almost 30,000 gallons of crude oil.


April 26, 2013
The company that owns a pipeline that leaked 28,000 barrels of crude oil near a First Nations community in northwest Alberta ? the largest spill in the province in 35 years ? is now facing environmental charges.

Plains Midstream Canada ULC is facing three counts under the province's Environmental Protection and Enhancement Act

The April 2011 spill of almost 4.5 million litres of oil contaminated more than three hectares of beaver ponds and muskeg in a densely forested area.



June 12, 2010

A leaked pipeline sent oil spilling into a Salt Lake City creek, coating geese and ducks and closing a park, officials said Saturday as they started a cleanup effort expected to last weeks.
At least 400 to 500 barrels of oil spewed into Red Butte Creek before crews capped the leak site. Nearly 50 gallons of crude oil per minute initially had spilled into the creek, according to Scott Freitag, a Salt Lake City Fire Department spokesman.


June 7, 2011
Enbridge says it was not covering up the true size of a pipeline leak in the Northwest Territories, which leaked up to 1,500 barrels into the northern environment.

Enbridge had originally reported that only four barrels of oil leaked from its Norman Wells pipeline on May 9. But the company revised its estimate on Monday, saying 700 to 1,500 barrels had spilled.




Yep, pipelines have never caused any negative environmental impact

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Old 01-08-2015, 01:19 PM   #113
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There is already a pipeline that has been running for years...
This would be a new pipeline to double the capacity
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