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oppoten · 01-11-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

freedom of speech is not freedom from responsibility...

That much I agree with

pimpmaster9000 · 01-11-2015, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Moron, watch the whole fucking video and see why that caption is used at the very beginning. Surely your attention span can last about four minutes?

Pre-judging a book based on its cover only says that you can't be assed to take in any info, thus making you just as stupid as you claim the rest of us are.

ok I watched the video carefully here is a list of problems I have with it maybe you care to comment?

1) "muslim peace conference" was organized by an obvious non moderate (***how do I know this? glad you asked

look at point #2) and his crowd was made up of immigrants and refugees, a vital point I will address in #4

2) stoning is not in the quran this is from the international quranic center (they know better than BBC

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The Stoning Myth

also:
QuranicPath | Stoning to Death: A Violation of the Qur'an
Stoning to Death does not appear in the Qur?an
The Stoning of Women: Quranic Prescription or Barefaced Misogyny?Âha|ÂhaDr. David Liepert

***why do I believe this? glad you asked look at point #3 but keep in mind that claiming that stoning is in the quran hugely discredits every further word he says...it is a HUGE deal if he is any sort of imam or whatever...it makes a HUGE difference in defining his position as a "moderate" or extremist

3) what the obvious non moderate is saying is in complete contradiction to what I have personally discussed with moslems around the world...I can interview the local imam for you if you wish we can arrange for say 1000$ escrow to some board veteran? or how ever much you feel like losing...you deposit 1000$ ill deposit 1000$ and winner take all?

do not take this bet

you gotta have a mosque in your town go and ask first then take the bet later

4) the crowd consists of deeply religious muslims (not the same as radical muslims)...being deeply religious does not always equate to intelligence keep this in mind it is a vital point...

the problem-----> muslims consider the quran infallible...ask any muslim "IF the quran says *so and so* do you agree?" and you will always get the same answer "YES" (notice the bolded caps IF)

muslims believe in the quran without limit, reason or question...this does not necessarily mean that they know what is ACTUALLY in it...the crowd is made up of mostly refugees and immigrants from war torn 3rd world countries, they are not exactly free thinkers

they do not really represent 1/4 of humanity and you know this ...

5) the video never shows the actual public looking at the actual speaker...one can not tell that they are in the same room at all, or that the crowd is actually raising its hand to the actual questions being asked...

it is a fair point...considering the whole video from the very non-legit sounding name of the event to the flat out lie in the 1st second, to the flat out lie about stoning being in the quran, to the fact that the audience is made up of immigrants who, for all we know, do not even speak english and are raising their hands because others are?? keep in mind this is in norway not england

travel the world a bit...educate yourself...do not be a backwards xenophobe

DamageX · 01-11-2015, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

4) the crowd consists of deeply religious muslims (not the same as radical muslims)...being deeply religious does not always equate to intelligence keep this in mind it is a vital point...

Aren't most muslims deeply religious to begin with? Agreed, that doesn't equate to intelligence.

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

the problem-----> muslims consider the quran infallible...ask any muslim "IF the quran says *so and so* do you agree?" and you will always get the same answer "YES" (notice the bolded caps IF)

muslims believe in the quran without limit, reason or question...this does not necessarily mean that they know what is ACTUALLY in it...

Right. So proof of inferior intelligence and lack of education, at best.

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

the crowd is made up of mostly refugees and immigrants from war torn 3rd world countries, they are not exactly free thinkers

they do not really represent 1/4 of humanity and you know this ...

So people who apparently were smart enough to get the fuck out of Dodge and settle elsewhere are also stupid? Then I can only imagine what those who couldn't leave are like...

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

5) the video never shows the actual public looking at the actual speaker...one can not tell that they are in the same room at all, or that the crowd is actually raising its hand to the actual questions being asked...

Valid point, no argument here.

Now let's ponder this:

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Within Sharia law, some crimes known as the hudud crimes, for which there are specific penalties specified by Islam. For example, fornication is punished by stoning, the consumption of alcohol by lashing, and theft by the amputation of limbs.

Application of sharia law by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the same article, some 423 million people live in "Countries where Sharia applies in full, covering personal status issues as well as criminal proceedings." That's around 6.5% of the world's population.

So roughly 1/4 of Muslim countries/regions apply Sharia in full. That's quite a few more than the handful of countries you claim to be doing so. And that's not even considering the groups in other Muslim countries, who want full Sharia enforced in their own country.

But I'm sure they're all intelligent, tolerant and peaceful people, just like you're claiming they are.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-12-2015, 07:36 AM

@damagex

shariah is a moral code, you are not educated so I understand you confusion...its like the 10 commandments it does not always have judicial power

Sharia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sharia Law is a significant source of legislation in various Muslim countries, namely Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Brunei, United Arab Emirates and Qatar."

they fail to mention Avghanistan where there is an actual Shariah court. Avghanistan=fucked no contest close to 1000 stonings/year happen but the US playground is in turmoil mostly because the US keeps bombing them back to the stone age and no progress can happen during war anyway. Im sure its the muslims fault the USA keeps invading left and right

note that the stonings happen to everybody not just women..

In Brunei, UAE and Quatar, the stonings are legal but not used.

In other countries where stoning happens, it is done outside of the official judicial system by backwards idiots and they are mostly isolated incidents. I would not be surprised to hear one day about stoning in Europe but its still isolated just like murder with, for example, a knife, is in the west...

it is not as you think it is...it is extremely hard to prove adultery in the first place...just like in a western court it is hard to prove murder and get somebody sent to death row...I do not approve of physical punishment of any kind, but it really does not happen like you think...

DamageX · 01-12-2015, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

shariah is a moral code, you are not educated so I understand you confusion...its like the 10 commandments it does not always have judicial power

What part of "Countries where Sharia applies in full, covering personal status issues as well as criminal proceedings" is beyond your comprehension abilities?

pimpmaster9000 · 01-12-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

What part of "Countries where Sharia applies in full, covering personal status issues as well as criminal proceedings" is beyond your comprehension abilities?

Your link claims just 2 countries have full sharia *they forgot Avghanistan*
"Classical sharia systems are those where sharia plays dominant role and is present in most areas of a nation's legal system. Saudi Arabia and Iran are examples of classical sharia system"

The rest that apply it:
Sudan (stoning)
Mauritania (whipping)
Brunei (Whipping)
Iraq (Whipping)
Iran (Stoning)
Pakistan (Fully illegal to stone somebody, happens but arrests follow)
Quatar (Whipping)
Saudi Arabia (Stoning)
Yemen (Firing squad)
UAE (extremely rare)

in the USA 10.000 people kill each other with guns every year and that probably beats all these countries combined save for Avghanistan...

your case consists of like 5 countries total and in those 5 countries it is extremely hard to get stoned to death just like it is hard to be put on death row in the USA...

you are ignorant and xenophobic...the joke is on you LOL

DamageX · 01-12-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

you are ignorant and xenophobic...the joke is on you LOL

You are apparently illiterate.

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Mauritania:
The Penal Code contains Sharia crimes such heresy, apostasy, atheism, refusal to pray, adultery and alcoholism. Punishments include lapidation, amputation and flagellation.[38]

Sudan:
Sharia has been declared the chief source of all legislation in Sudan's 1968, 1973 and 1998 Constitutions.[55] In 2005, Sudan adopted an interim national constitution; it removed some references to Sharia, but included Sharia-derived criminal, civil and personal legal codes, as well as Sharia-mandated hudud punishments.[56] The Criminal Act of 1991 prescribes punishments which include forty lashes for drinking alcohol, amputation of the right hand for theft of a certain value and stoning for adultery.[57][58]

Afghanistan:
Criminal law in Afghanistan continues to be governed in large part by Islamic law. The Criminal Law of September 1976 codifies sharia, and retains punishments such as the stoning to death of adulterers. However virtually all courts, including the Supreme Court of Afghanistan, rely on Islamic law directly.[64]

Brunei:
Sharia courts decide personal status cases or cases relating to religious offences.[74] Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah declared in 2011 his wish to establish Islamic criminal law as soon as possible.[75] A new penal code enacted in May 2014 will eventually prescribe sharia punishments, including the severing of limbs for property crimes and death by stoning for adultery and homosexuality.[76]

Iran:
Article 167 of the constitution states that all judicial rulings must be based upon "authoritative Islamic sources and authentic fatwa".[79] Book 2 of the Islamic Penal Code of Iran is entirely devoted to hudud punishments, including flogging and stoning for adultery, and execution for men who have sex with men.[80]

Maldives:
Article 15 of the Act Number 1/81 (Penal Code) allows for hudud punishments.[108] Article 156 of the constitution states that law includes the norms and provisions of sharia.[109]

Pakistan:
Until 1978 Islamic law was largely restricted to personal status issues. Zia ul Haq introduced Sharia courts and made far reaching changes in the criminal justice system.[115] Articles 203a to 203j of the constitution establish a sharia court with the power to judge any law or government actions to be against Islam, and to review court cases for adherence to Islamic law. The penal code includes elements of sharia.[116] Under article 5, section 2 of the Ordinance No. VII of 1979, whoever is guilty of zina, "if he or she is a muhsan, be stoned to death at a public place; or if he or she is not a mushan, be punished, at a public place, with whipping numbering one hundred stripes".[117] Under a 2006 law, rape cases can be heard under civil as well as Islamic law.[118]

Qatar:
Sharia law is the main source of Qatari legislation according to Qatar's Constitution.[119][120] Sharia law is applied to laws pertaining to family law, inheritance, and several criminal acts (including adultery, robbery and murder). In some cases in Sharia-based family courts, a female's testimony is worth half a man's and in some cases a female witness is not accepted at all.[121] Flogging is used in Qatar as a punishment for alcohol consumption or illicit sexual relations.[122] Article 88 of Qatar's criminal code declares the punishment for adultery is 100 lashes.[123] Adultery is punishable by death when a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man are involved.[123] In 2006, a Filipino woman was sentenced to 100 lashes for adultery.[123] In 2012, six expatriates were sentenced to floggings of either 40 or 100 lashes.[122] More recently in April 2013, a Muslim expatriate was sentenced to 40 lashes for alcohol consumption.[124][125][126] In June 2014, a Muslim expatriate was sentenced to 40 lashes for consuming alcohol and driving under the influence.[127] Judicial corporal punishment is common in Qatar due to the Hanbali interpretation of Sharia Law. Article 1 of the Law No. 11 Of 2004 (Penal Code) allows for the application of "Sharia provisions" for the crimes of theft, adultery, defamation, drinking alcohol and apostasy if either the suspect or the victim is a Muslim.[128]

Yemen:
Law 20/1992 regulates personal status. The constitution mentions sharia.[138] Penal law provides for application of hadd penalties for certain crimes, although the extent of implementation is unclear.[139] Article 263 of the 1994 penal code states that "the adulterer and adulteress without suspicion or coercion are punished with whipping by one hundred strokes as a penalty if not married. [...] If the adulterer or the adulteress are married, they are punished by stoning them to death."[140]

Aceh:
Aceh is the only part of Indonesia to apply Sharia in full. Islamic courts in Aceh had long handled cases of marriage, divorce and inheritance. After special autonomy legislation was passed in 2001, the reach of courts extend to criminal justice.[142] Under a 2009 law, married people convicted of adultery can be sentenced to death by stoning, while unmarried people can be sentenced to 100 lashes. Offences such as being alone with an unrelated member of the opposite gender, gambling and breaking Islamic dress rules can be punished with a public caning.[143] In 2014, the provincial government of Aceh extended sharia's reach, enacting and enforcing sharia to apply it to non-Muslims as well.[144][145]

United Arab Emirates:
(Dubai and Ras Al Khaimah are not part of the federal judicial system.[156])
Rest of the UAE:
The court system comprises Sharia courts and civil courts. Judicial corporal punishment is a legal form of punishment in UAE due to the Sharia courts. Flogging is used in UAE as a punishment for criminal offences such as adultery, premarital sex and prostitution.[123] In most emirates, floggings of Muslims are frequent, especially for adultery, prostitution and drunkenness, with sentences ranging from 80 to 200 lashes.[157][158] Between 2007 and 2013, many people were sentenced to 100 lashes.[159][160][161][162][163][164][123][165] Moreover in 2010 and 2012, several Muslims were sentenced to 80 lashes for alcohol consumption.[166][167] Under UAE law, premarital sex is punishable by 100 lashes.[168] Stoning is a legal form of judicial punishment in UAE. In 2006, an expatriate was sentenced to death by stoning for committing adultery.[169] Between 2009 and 2013, several people were sentenced to death by stoning.[162][170][171] In May 2014, an Asian housemaid was sentenced to death by stoning in Abu Dhabi.[172][173][174] Sharia law dictates the personal status law, which regulate matters such as marriage, divorce and child custody. The Sharia-based personal status law is applied to Muslims and sometimes non-Muslims.[175] Non-Muslim expatriates are liable to Sharia rulings on marriage, divorce and child custody.[175] Sharia courts have exclusive jurisdiction to hear family disputes, including matters involving divorce, inheritances, child custody, child abuse and guardianship of minors. Sharia courts may also hear appeals of certain criminal cases including rape, robbery, and related crimes.[156] Apostasy is a crime punishable by death in the UAE. UAE incorporates hudud crimes of Sharia into its Penal Code ? apostasy being one of them.[176] Article 1 and Article 66 of UAE's Penal Code requires hudud crimes to be punished with the death penalty,[176][177] therefore apostasy is punishable by death in the UAE. Emirati women must receive permission from male guardian to remarry.[178] The requirement is derived from Sharia, and has been federal law since 2005.[178] In all emirates, it is illegal for Muslim women to marry non-Muslims.[179] In the UAE, a marriage union between a Muslim woman and non-Muslim man is punishable by law, since it is considered a form of "fornication".[179]

So there you have 11 countries/regions, with a combined population of ~423 million. 10 of them explicitly provide for death penalty for hudud/hadd crimes. 8 of these provide for stoning to death for certain hudud/hadd crimes.

But I'm sure you've traveled to all these countries and witnessed the intelligence, tolerance and peacefulness of their people. Surely I'm the uneducated and ignorant one, since I'm apparently dumb enough to reference to facts. Yep, the joke's on me.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-12-2015, 03:24 PM

dude can you count and comprehend?

mauritania=flagleation this is whipping
brunei="eventually prescribe sharia punishments" No known executions have occurred in Brunei since 1957.
malidives=you have to be kidding right? AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
pakistan=fully illegal, shariah is only a moral code not judicial want to bet?
quatar= a search of Amnesty reports does not confirm any execution since 2000,
aceh=AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH indonesia? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
UAE= [6] we did not find any reports of any recent execution by stoning in an Emirate.

Death Penalty Worldwide (cornell university)

so you do in fact have, like I claimed, ok less than I claimed 4 countries I said 5

DamageX · 01-12-2015, 03:27 PM

Holy shit, you are thick... I pity you.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-12-2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Holy shit, you are thick... I pity you.

your ignorance is obvious...

DamageX · 01-12-2015, 04:35 PM

I can't help but wonder whether you're an idiot for real or you just play one on GFY. Arguing with you is like arguing with a dog, no matter how many relevant facts you bring up it just barks back the same way. You can't read, you can't count, you can't spell. So I'm leaning towards the former. Anyway, I've wasted enough time on you. As I already said in a different post, I sincerely hope you don't breed.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-13-2015, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

I can't help but wonder whether you're an idiot for real or you just play one on GFY. Arguing with you is like arguing with a dog, no matter how many relevant facts you bring up it just barks back the same way. You can't read, you can't count, you can't spell. So I'm leaning towards the former. Anyway, I've wasted enough time on you. As I already said in a different post, I sincerely hope you don't breed.

you never presented any "facts" you posted a bullshit video, backed up with your stunning ignorance about world events, you made it painfully clear that you have never been anywhere outside of the western world in your entire life

when I offered that you put your money where your mouth is you, of course, went silent

arguing with a dog? nice you noticed...the way I debate with you is like training a dog...it goes not get it the first few times so you have to repeat LOL although its more out of amusement, you watch the dog being silly and stuff and it brings a smile to your face

now be a good boy and fetch me some new things to poke you with, one day you will understand that nobody is out to get you

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01-12-2015, 04:35 PM	#111
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	I can't help but wonder whether you're an idiot for real or you just play one on GFY. Arguing with you is like arguing with a dog, no matter how many relevant facts you bring up it just barks back the same way. You can't read, you can't count, you can't spell. So I'm leaning towards the former. Anyway, I've wasted enough time on you. As I already said in a different post, I sincerely hope you don't breed. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

01-12-2015, 07:36 AM	#104
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	@damagex shariah is a moral code, you are not educated so I understand you confusion...its like the 10 commandments it does not always have judicial power Sharia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Sharia Law is a significant source of legislation in various Muslim countries, namely Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Brunei, United Arab Emirates and Qatar." they fail to mention Avghanistan where there is an actual Shariah court. Avghanistan=fucked no contest close to 1000 stonings/year happen but the US playground is in turmoil mostly because the US keeps bombing them back to the stone age and no progress can happen during war anyway. Im sure its the muslims fault the USA keeps invading left and right note that the stonings happen to everybody not just women.. In Brunei, UAE and Quatar, the stonings are legal but not used. In other countries where stoning happens, it is done outside of the official judicial system by backwards idiots and they are mostly isolated incidents. I would not be surprised to hear one day about stoning in Europe but its still isolated just like murder with, for example, a knife, is in the west... it is not as you think it is...it is extremely hard to prove adultery in the first place...just like in a western court it is hard to prove murder and get somebody sent to death row...I do not approve of physical punishment of any kind, but it really does not happen like you think...

01-12-2015, 03:24 PM	#108
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	dude can you count and comprehend? mauritania=flagleation this is whipping brunei="eventually prescribe sharia punishments" No known executions have occurred in Brunei since 1957. malidives=you have to be kidding right? AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA pakistan=fully illegal, shariah is only a moral code not judicial want to bet? quatar= a search of Amnesty reports does not confirm any execution since 2000, aceh=AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH indonesia? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA UAE= [6] we did not find any reports of any recent execution by stoning in an Emirate. Death Penalty Worldwide (cornell university) so you do in fact have, like I claimed, ok less than I claimed 4 countries I said 5