29% of everyone in the European Union think the Sun revolves around the Earth.

[dyna mo]

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/a..._report_en.pdf

[dyna mo]

53% think psychology is science
41% believe astrology is science
34% of all Europeans think history is science
1 out of 3 euros think homeopathy is science

[dyna mo]

40% of all Euros think we depend too much on science and not enough on faith
37% believe science is not important
37% believe in luck more than science

[romeo22]

Nice % i didnt know it as well

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

53% think psychology is science
41% believe astrology is science
34% of all Europeans think history is science
1 out of 3 euros think homeopathy is science

Psychology ain't science? Sure it is. It is the same fucking stuff that we call biology when it studies other animals than humans (in common language). Humans being the target of the study doesn't make it hocus pocus.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

Psychology ain't science? Sure it is.

don't be daft. psychology is hardly science. you can't prove to any reasonable level a psychology experiment.


"psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability."

[CDSmith]

23% thought humans lived at the same time dinosaurs were around? wow.

Damn you Raquel Welsh. Damn you to hell.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by aka123

ain't

Originally Posted by aka123

ain't

Originally Posted by aka123

ain't

Originally Posted by aka123

ain't

Irony...

[woj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

don't be daft. psychology is hardly science. you can't prove to any reasonable level a psychology experiment.


"psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability."

Psychology | Define Psychology at Dictionary.com
"the science of the mind or of mental states and processes"

Psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Psychology is an academic and applied discipline that involves the scientific study of mental functions and behaviors."

it probably depends on what area of psychology you study...

if you are doing research on interpreting dreams, then it's probably debatable if that is science...

if you are doing "pavlov's dogs"-type of experiments, it's hard to argue that those experiments are not scientific...

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

don't be daft. psychology is hardly science. you can't prove to any reasonable level a psychology experiment.


"psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability."

It's far from complete compared to other forms of study but saying it's not a science is a grasp at best... That is basically the same as saying that nutrition isn't science because we haven't found the perfect diet yet.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

Psychology | Define Psychology at Dictionary.com
"the science of the mind or of mental states and processes"

Psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Psychology is an academic and applied discipline that involves the scientific study of mental functions and behaviors."

it probably depends on what area of psychology you study...

if you are doing research on interpreting dreams, then it's probably debatable if that is science...

if you are doing "pavlov's dogs"-type of experiments, it's hard to argue that those experiments are not scientific...

of course a magazine called "Psychology" will exclaim that psychology is science. That doesn't make it so.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

It's far from complete compared to other forms of study but saying it's not a science is a grasp at best... That is basically the same as saying that nutrition isn't science because we haven't found the perfect diet yet.

not at all an accurate comparison. nutritionists not finding the perfect diet isn't comparable to the fact that psychology is not science.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

23% thought humans lived at the same time dinosaurs were around? wow.

Damn you Raquel Welsh. Damn you to hell.

staggering!

[CPA-Rush]

psychology , philosophy and anthropology are not sciences , i love them all

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by woj

if you are doing "pavlov's dogs"-type of experiments, it's hard to argue that those experiments are not scientific...

Pavlov wasn't a psychologist. Psychology took his discovery and ran with it.

" In 1904, Pavlov was awarded the Nobel laureate "in recognition of his work on the physiology of digestion, through which knowledge on vital aspects of the subject has been transformed and enlarged".[13]

While at the Institute of Experimental Medicine he carried out his classical experiments on the digestive glands which is how he eventually won the Nobel prize mentioned above.[14]

Pavlov investigated the gastric function of dogs, and later, children,[15] by externalizing a salivary gland so he could collect, measure, and analyze the saliva and what response it had to food under different conditions. He noticed that the dogs tended to salivate before food was actually delivered to their mouths, and set out to investigate this "psychic secretion", as he called it.

Pavlov’s laboratory housed a full-scale kennel for the experimental animals. Pavlov was interested in observing their long-term physiological processes. This required keeping them alive and healthy in order to conduct chronic experiments, as he called them.

These were experiments over time, designed to understand the normal functions of animals.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Americans Scientific Knowledge and Beliefs about Human Evolution in the Year of Darwin | NCSE

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Americans Scientific Knowledge and Beliefs about Human Evolution in the Year of Darwin | NCSE

you missed the thread for that. this isn't it.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you missed the thread for that. this isn't it.

Dinosaurs lived at the same time as people.	
true:40%
false:48%
undecided:13%

I was referring to this ''gem''

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Dinosaurs lived at the same time as people.	
true:40%
false:48%
undecided:13%

I was referring to this ''gem''

I see.

people are people everywhere.

a dashed line on a map doesn't impact basic humanity.

based on these polls from both USA and Euro Union, it's obvious many humans simply are not interested at all in science, thus their lack of wanting to learn science, leading to their not understanding science.

[H-Tom]

I lost faith in humanity :/

[nico-t]

only in america

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

don't be daft. psychology is hardly science. you can't prove to any reasonable level a psychology experiment.


"psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability."

It is science; I won't step back from that. Neither all science should be valued with same criteria. Psychology is essiantially biology; the only difference is that it is applied to humans. Biology is science, you can agree to that? And biology studies humans too, as any other living thing. Psychology is just a subset of biology.

This "psychology isn't science" relates to religion. Like we have soul and such, and studying human behaviour, etc. is some fairy tail stuff that is more religion than science. But if you observe humans as mere animals; there is no fucking reason not to keep psychology as a science.

[dyna mo]

psychology is not a subset of biology. please just stop.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

psychology is not a subset of biology. please just stop.

OK, then what it is when you observe and study a specie called Homo sapiens? It is biology, but tell me what you think it is?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

OK, then what it is when you observe and study a specie called Homo sapiens? It is biology, but tell me what you think it is?

The real question is why do you feel the need to categorize psychology as a science?

You're in Euro Union right?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

OK, then what it is when you observe and study a specie called Homo sapiens? It is biology, but tell me what you think it is?

Do you believe astrology is Science? It's observation and study.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

41% believe astrology is science

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

The real question is why do you feel the need to categorize psychology as a science?

You're in Euro Union right?

Why do you feel to categorize it as not science?

"Biology is a natural science concerned with the study of life and living organisms, including their structure, function, growth, evolution, distribution, and taxonomy."

Biology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is biology, I do live in EU (and euro area), and the answer it being science is correct.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Do you believe astrology is Science? It's observation and study.

No, astrology isn't science. Although astronomy is.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

don't be daft. psychology is hardly science. you can't prove to any reasonable level a psychology experiment.


"psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability."

science
ˈsʌɪəns/
noun
noun: science

the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

your quote says psychology is not "scientifically rigorous"

it is a very grey area at best and one can not disqualify psychology as a science even with mental gymnastics of olympic caliber...the very definition of science is damning to your claim

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

Why do you feel to categorize it as not science?

"Biology is a natural science concerned with the study of life and living organisms, including their structure, function, growth, evolution, distribution, and taxonomy."

Biology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is biology, I do live in EU (and euro area), and the answer it being science is correct.

I would very much like to call it science, I really would. It's not an insult to point out it's not science. The field of psychology is important, it's just not scientific.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

science
ˈsʌɪəns/
noun
noun: science

the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

your quote says psychology is not "scientifically rigorous"

it is a very grey area at best and one can not disqualify psychology as a science even with mental gymnastics of olympic caliber...the very definition of science is damning to your claim

you think psychology is systematic? come on now. it's the polar opposite.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I would very much like to call it science, I really would. It's not an insult to point out it's not science. The field of psychology is important, it's just not scientific.

I disagree. At least as long as observing and writing a study about a monkey scratching its ass is science. It makes no fucking sense why it wouldn't be science when you observe and study human scratching its ass.

You can't repeat some destruction of dinosaurs either, but sure as hell paleontology is science.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you think psychology is systematic? come on now. it's the polar opposite.

How it is not systematic?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

I disagree. At least as long as observing and writing a study about a monkey scratching its ass is science. It makes no fucking sense why it wouldn't be science when you observe and study human scratching its ass.

You can't repeat some destruction of dinosaurs either, but sure as hell paleontology is science.

your view is duly noted on the poll results.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

How it is not systematic?

it should be extremely easy for you to prove it is systematic. much more easy to proof something exists rather than proof something does not exist. besides, you're the one that took that 1 poll result and ran with it. I was going more in the Euros believe the SUn revolves around the Earth. either way.

so where's your proof psychology is systematic please.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it should be extremely easy for you to prove it is systematic. much more easy to proof something exists rather than proof something does not exist. besides, you're the one that took that 1 poll result and ran with it. I was going more in the Euros believe the SUn revolves around the Earth. either way.

so where's your proof psychology is systematic please.

Okay, here is my proof. It is in the form of example study.

Test group is 200 humans; 100 Americans and 100 European. Test subjects are put to glass cages and kept there 24 hours, that is the time for observation too. Goal is to observe that are there differences in ass scratching habits between these two human groups. Further studies may include finding out that do these different ass scratching habits occur from genetical differences and or from learnt behaviour models.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

Okay, here is my proof. It is in the form of example study.

Test group is 200 humans; 100 Americans and 100 European. Test subjects are put to glass cages and kept there 24 hours, that is the time for observation too. Goal is to observe that are there differences in ass scratching habits between these two human groups. Further studies may include finding out that do these different ass scratching habits occur from genetical differences and or from learnt behaviour models.

this simply is a procedure for collecting data in an casual observational setting. which is fine, don't get me wrong. Perhaps something useful can be gleaned by such observations. But this example in no way illustrates that the study of psychology is systematic. it just proves that a observational procedure can be outlined. the variables involved in this experiment also reveal the risk in calling psychology science. The # of variables for observation here is astronomical.

Again, it's important, I would like to see it be as scientific as possible and I think it tries.

[PR_Glen]

ohh i didn't realize you didn't know the definition of the word science. My bad man. Carry on.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you think psychology is systematic? come on now. it's the polar opposite.

systematic
sɪstəˈmatɪk/
adjective
adjective: systematic

done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical.


psychology
sʌɪˈkɒlədʒi/
noun
noun: psychology; plural noun: psychologies

1.
the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behaviour in a given context.


sounds very scientific and systematic to me...are you saying there is no systematic way to study human behaviour because all humans are different?...or bashing psychology because it is a relatively new field of science and has flaws?...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

ohh i didn't realize you didn't know the definition of the word science. My bad man. Carry on.

obviously i was carrying on.

and surprised. you're usually better than this.

my bad.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

this simply is a procedure for collecting data in an casual observational setting. which is fine, don't get me wrong. Perhaps something useful can be gleaned by such observations. But this example in no way illustrates that the study of psychology is systematic. it just proves that a observational procedure can be outlined. the variables involved in this experiment also reveal the risk in calling psychology science. The # of variables for observation here is astronomical.

Again, it's important, I would like to see it be as scientific as possible and I think it tries.

Variables were given: American and European. This study isn't supposed to study everything in the same study. Study was arranged and executed systematically, thus it was systematic. It can also be repeated. Although the subjects get older etc. if same subjects are used, but so do everything else you study. Nothing stays the same. The fucking rock you study today, is tomorrow a day older and it has been exposed to various things.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

systematic
sɪstəˈmatɪk/
adjective
adjective: systematic

done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical.


psychology
sʌɪˈkɒlədʒi/
noun
noun: psychology; plural noun: psychologies

1.
the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behaviour in a given context.


sounds very scientific and systematic to me...are you saying there is no systematic way to study human behaviour because all humans are different?...or bashing psychology because it is a relatively new field of science and has flaws?...

yes, I am saying psychology is not [yet] a science exactly because all humans are different. It's crucial for science to be as precise and accurate as possible. impossible and dangerous to attempt in human psychology. Pretty sure an applied version of that is what police call profiling. like racial profiling.

but. As you can tell by my thread title and OP, that wasn't the point here. My [counter]point thread topic is an attempt to highlight that we are all the same, Americans are in general just as uninterested in learning science as those of you in the Euro Union.

either way though,

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes, I am saying psychology is not [yet] a science exactly because all humans are different. It's crucial for science to be as precise and accurate as possible. impossible and dangerous to attempt in human psychology. Pretty sure an applied version of that is what police call profiling. like racial profiling.

So, are you saying biology isn't science?

You have funny idea about science, by the way.

[candyflip]

Seeing the same people arguing ad nauseam over absolutely retarded shit that has no baring on their daily life, on a day in and day out basis is somewhat sad.

It's really gotta suck to have to constantly feel the need to defend some stupid position on a message board because you have such shitty self esteem that you feel you're never wrong or can't bend the slightest on your opinion.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

So, are you saying biology isn't science?

You have funny idea about science, by the way.

YOu don't have the slightest idea what my idea of science is. All you know is that I know psychology isn't science.

of course biology is science.

Is this all just to deflect from how many Euros think the Sun revolves around the Earth and that humans walked with dinosaurs, which?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Seeing the same people arguing ad nauseam over absolutely retarded shit that has no baring on their daily life, on a day in and day out basis is somewhat sad.

It's really gotta suck to have to constantly feel the need to defend some stupid position on a message board because you have such shitty self esteem that you feel you're never wrong or can't bend the slightest on your opinion.

psychobabble diagnosis looking up from the curb via gfy posts across the internet.

i wouldn't expect any more.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Seeing the same people arguing ad nauseam over absolutely retarded shit that has no baring on their daily life, on a day in and day out basis is somewhat sad.

It's really gotta suck to have to constantly feel the need to defend some stupid position on a message board because you have such shitty self esteem that you feel you're never wrong or can't bend the slightest on your opinion.

do you see the hypocrisy in your post? you completely wax over my OP, just to try and insult someone else for their posting style and choice of topics saying how sad and sucky that is combined with a shitty self-esteem.


yet in your world, it's perfectly OK to drive-by and post that.

clearly a sign of good high self-esteem.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

of course biology is science.

"yes, I am saying psychology is not [yet] a science exactly because all humans are different."

All other living things are different too, at least if those do sexual reproduction. + mutations on "clones".

You contradict yourself, but I don't care anymore. Now I am going to drink and watch drinking robot to steal stuff.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

"yes, I am saying psychology is not [yet] a science exactly because all humans are different."

All other living things are different too, at least if those do sexual reproduction. + mutations on "clones".

You contradict yourself, but I don't care anymore. Now I am going to drink and watch drinking robot to steal stuff.

when we start categorizing the psychology of dogs as science I will certainly start that thread.



enjoy your weekend amigo!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

53% think psychology is science
41% believe astrology is science
34% of all Europeans think history is science
1 out of 3 euros think homeopathy is science

Science can be almost anything that is studied.

Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge"[2]) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about nature and the universe. This knowledge is determined through the scientific method by experiments and observations, and may take the form of scientific facts, scientific models, or scientific theories.[nb 1] In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to a body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied. Ever since classical antiquity, science as a type of knowledge has been closely linked to philosophy. In the West during the early modern period the words "science" and "philosophy of nature" were sometimes used interchangeably,[3]:p.3 and until the 19th century natural philosophy (which is today called "natural science") was considered a separate branch of philosophy.[4]

In modern usage, "science" most often refers to a way of pursuing knowledge, not only the knowledge itself. It is also often restricted to those branches of study that seek to explain the phenomena of the material universe.[5] In the 17th and 18th centuries scientists increasingly sought to formulate knowledge in terms of laws of nature. Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the scientific method itself, as a disciplined way to study the natural world, including physics, chemistry, geology and biology. It is in the 19th century also that the term scientist began to be applied to those who sought knowledge and understanding of nature.[6] However, "science" has also continued to be used in a broad sense to denote reliable and teachable knowledge about a topic, as reflected in modern terms like library science or computer science. This is also reflected in the names of some areas of academic study such as social science and political science.


Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia