NemesisEnforcer

Don't care for second hand smoking of any kind: cigarettes, marijuana, beach bonfires and fire pits, etc.

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I hear you on that one, tho secondhand marijuana smoke is not the same as with cigarettes or cigars and I like its' sweet smell. But you have a good point, which is why I think e-cigs and the new vape pens are becoming so popular.

With the new vape pens what you are 'burning' (really just heating up a little) is cannabis oil, and while you can inhale it the best way to use it is like a cigar (no inhaling). It's oil so is best absorbed in the mouth. Then you exhale....vapor! No secondhand smoke, barely any smell. Just perfect for out 'n about, too.

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420

That happens with over use of any drug.

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Far-L

There may be something to this weed thing...

Psychotropics have been good for society since the invention of religion...

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So... let me get this straight... you say there are people that hate marijuana? How is that even possible?

I am going to have to go listen to some jazz and think about defiling dem white womuns and intelsexualshize dis concept...

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and the reason you think pot destroys braincells is the 'tests' they did on two poor monkeys that had over 200 times the psychoactive dose humans would have taken. At 100 times the psychoactive dose, still no brain damage. they literally just kept upping the doses until they discovered brain damage. nice eh?

but hey, at least you don't believe you have brain damage, have an ability for critical thinking, and question every piece of bullshit that is fed to you via proverbial spoon.

_Richard_

but, canadian camaraderie aside, here is another study that does state there was an 8 point iq drop:

Marcus: If teens use marijuana 'regularly,' they drop 8 IQ points | PunditFact

but 'regularly' is something like 4+ times a week, before you are 18, and would need to smoke like this till you're 39. Then, you get into the fact of whether IQ does measure intelligence, and further into the fact that you are basically an idiot anyway if you're dependant on something for over 20 years.

but, to discuss booze just damaging liver, that's not entirely accurate:

Ethanol (Alcohol) Metabolism: Acute and Chronic Toxicities

'the body?s digestive process creates metabolites such as acetaldehyde and other ?reactive oxygen species? which are toxic to the brain and other cells in the body. This is why you have a hangover, after drinking large quantities of alcohol.'

so..

slapass

It is a logic question. There are items that are "natural" that can helpful, and "natural" items that can be harmful. So it is not a plus or a negative but a characteristic. So to a person who has looked at that logically, it is like you are screaming, "And it is green!" There are things that are green that are helpful and/or harmful. Being green does not denote a positive or negative slant. It just is.

Then "it grows everywhere" is the same for me.
A) I had to think about but I realize it doesn't grow everywhere.
B) Lots of plants have the grow range of this plant. It is not that special in this regard.
c) Being that it is hardy doesn't make it better for me in anyway.

I think the big knock on the health angle is that most/lots of people burn it. Particulate in the lungs is proven to be bad over the long term.

aka123

I haven't seen anyone to turn mysteriously violent. Everyone who I have seen to get violent as drunk, have violent tendencies anyways. They just handle their tendencies better when not drunk.

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i used to smoke chronically and stopped for whatever reason. funny from the outside looking in seems like pretty much all chronic pot smokers have some kind of interior rage and anger issues they are self medicating. they are not naturally mellow but continually deferring and sublimating some deep painful frustration and wound. not judging, just something i have observed. i guess that's why pretty much all chronics see alcohol users as violent and rage filled. textbook projection.

Nicholas FirstMobileCash

My take on the matter is, propaganda and misinformation over a couple of decades swayed public opinion on a number of things... marijuana being one of them.

My opinion is that the pharmaceutical industry would rather get on you on costly painkillers to deal with pain, then grow a solution yourself. Someone recently mentioned the cotton industry doesn't want hemp clothing to become popular due to competition. I don't know enough about that, but they are both for the same reasons: MONEY.

I'm a big advocate for allowing people to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect others. Whenever someone tells me weed should be illegal, I ask them why not tobacco as well?

The money to be made from legalizing recreational drugs... it's enough reason IMO. They tax booze and cigarettes like crazy, why not pot as well?

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Dirty F

Fuck, you're retarded. You're the perfect example of what weed does to the brain.

Dirty F

Yeay, pot totally doesn't make you slow and stupid.

Nothing gets more retarded than stoners defending their magic plant from god.

Let me explain you something. Most people don't have a problem with weed. They have a problem with idiot stoners like you.

Jel

The reason people use that gateway drug argument, as far as I've been able to take a guess at anyway, is that pretty much everyone who does other, possibly more harmful drugs, started with pot/weed (was the case for me, and literally all those of my friends who did/do drugs - none of us stopped at only smoking).

So basically another instance where all buses are red, but not all red things are buses. Hence the correct statement that it's a gateway drug, insofar as the majority of users start with that rather than take heroin/meth/smack/charlie as a 1st drug, and most likely wouldn't have taken those others if they hadn't started with pot/weed. People get confused though imo, misinterpreting "it's a gateway drug" as "if you smoke you WILL end up doping other drugs", so because of the 2 different interpretations depending on your perception of it, neither 'side' can understand where the hell the others' viewpoint is coming from.

Just my theory on that particular facet of the whole thing

Bryan G

Lol. ok then....

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Freedom6995

It won't be long before the gig is up.

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arock10

To all the non smokers or people that smoked back in the day or people that always just got shitty weed, not all strains are the same.

So that stereotypical lazy stoner is most likely smoking swag or indica heavy weed (and well probably too much of it). The beauty of going somewhere that has it legal for sale like Amsterdam or denver or etc is you can buy specific strains and do specific dosages depending on what you are doing.

You will not be lazy at all off a few hits of good 100% sativa and a couple cups of coffee aka the classic hippie speedball.

Anyway, it just should be treated the same as alcohol. Taxed and regulated. Even heh though alcohol will kill you and weed won't

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most haters have never tried using the stuff others are just brainwashed sheeple. don't knock it until you have tried it

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I don't advocate for weed much, but to be honest why should someone give a shit what I smoke? People should be free to do what they want as long as they dont hurt others.

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same. Though it's 'annoying' for want of a better word, when people say it's 100% safe blah blah. I stole to pay for pot, my buddies stole to pay for it, a few of them went on to smack (and died), I have a lifelong friend who is a mental vegetable thanks to it (all he does is smoke, no other drugs). Just like everything it's about moderation, etc etc. Blanket statements are dumb.

Also a pita all the 'weed is our saviour' shit, but... I do get that - you don't hear from drinkers how great a few beers are after a hard days work, because it's perfectly legal almost everywhere in the world, so much like teh gays have to proclaim how great it is to suck another man's cock, to make it acceptable to the many people who think it's wrong, the dopehead stoners are in the same boat.

Conclusion: stoners have a lot in common with homos

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aka123

So, this is like taking magic poison from evil witch. After you drink it, surely you are so happy that you did, as you are under the spell. Addictive substances work the same way.

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The Porn Nerd

Fuck, you're retarded. You're the perfect example of what being an ignorant, judgemental dousche fucktard does to the world.

I suggest massive quantities of marijuana to cure you of your chronic dickishness.


Great post! This is exactly what I and many others have been saying. Marijuana IS a medicine, along with a recreational drug, and depending on the strain (type) of weed it will have differant effects.

Man, I WORK all damn day long (and night, too) so if I smoked body high Indica (as opposed to head high Sativa) I would be a stoned-out, couch-lock hippie cliche. LOL But I am not (sorry Haters) as I am motivated, successful, energetic and just plain awesome person.

As I said, pot ENHANCES whatever mood you are in - if you get the right strain to match that mood. Education is your friend.

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bronco67

The bullshit going on in DC with congressional Republicans (big surprise) threatening to jail the mayor over a law that was passed with 70% vote by the people is pretty reprehensible. These are your public servants, there to be your parents when you don't know any better.

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This thread proves 2 things to me:

1) People who hate weed are the ones who need it the most

2) GFY'ers hate anything they aren't making a referral bonus on.

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Bryan G

Umm, Alcohol destroys braincells as well you know that right?

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BlackCrayon

no doubt. excessive alcohol consumption will over decades, shrink the brain and can result in dementia.

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CDSmith

Except for all those "stoned while driving" cases I've heard about. Smoking up and getting behind the wheel is just as frowned upon by the po-po as having a high blood alcohol level is.


As to this "hate" thing all I'll say is this. No one who has seen the first three Cheech & Chong movies could possibly hate pot.

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Haha! True! They had a marathon on a while back and I saw them all. Was I stoned? Actually not really, just a wee whilst working. LOL

But I hear you when it comes to the po-po. My feelings are, because marijuana is still so demonized and any legalization nationwide would be a test of societal tolerances in a way, I would recommend extremely severe penalties for anyone caught smoking and driving (or handling heavy machinery, stoned at work, etc). It will take perhaps a generation or two before America, as a whole, learns to handle its' high.

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kittykatt

idk weed is good for you and your soul. shmoke and a pancake?

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PR_Glen

everyone has a vice, some more serious than others. Mine is fast food, eat that shit far more than i should but not enough to make me unhealthy, in fact i've just lost about 20 lbs since january and close to where i should be. The difference here is I don't go around digging up random articles blogs, obscure studies trying to prove that fast food is actually good for you and you can realistically lose weight while eating it! Do you guys understand the difference here? I'm sure some of you could come up with an argument that it's even less harmful than fast food, maybe enough to convince me, but you can't convince me or anyone that it is good for you or anyone, especially when it comes to short term memory and production loss.

That being said, if I can lose weight effectively while occasionally eating fast food, you can definitely be productive and have a functioning intellect despite moderate weed use.

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arock10

fast food is legal though

and kills way more people then weed

that is why people have to dig up articles

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The craziest point I don't understand is the ILLEGAL concept... You don't like it or want it around your family... Fine... But does that mean I should go to jail? My friends should go to jail? That's the point... Jail. Who should go to jail and why?

Sky diving is dangerous. Rock climbing, scuba diving, driving a car... Dangerous. Weed is not.

Sending parents, grand parents, kids to jail for weed is just hateful.

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aka123

Illegal isn't synonym for jail..well.. maybe in US it is.

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goddamn these gummi bears taste good.

ZeroHero

Yup that's true.

galleryseek

The legalization of marijuana has nothing to do with the advocation of its use, but rather in curtailing the violence associated with the black market, which is the inevitable consequence when you restrict the sale of a product or service that's in demand.

When you can admit to the fact that marijuana and other drugs will *always* be around, you then have to ask yourself, who is it that you want to control the market place? Cartels and gangs? Or legitimate businesses. Cartels and gangs lack legal arbitration, and instead rely on illegal means (violence) for solving disputes. This is why drugs and violence go hand in hand; it's not the drugs, it's the illegal environment.

Not to mention, on a philosophical premise, what one ingests into his or her own body should be their decision, as long as they are not initiating or threatening the initiation of force against another person or their property. If a stoner gets behind a wheel and mows down a few people, bring them to justice. If a stoner smokes and harms no one, action shouldn't be taken against them; and that's inclusive of any drug they're on.

Prohibition does not work.

MiamiBoyz

Let me take a wild guess...your father was an alcoholic who beat your mother right and you are following in his footsteps.

Thought so.

The Porn Nerd

Thanks for posting that vid!! Great post too. It is good to note that, with a few obnoxious objections, most here seem to fall in the "Do what you want but don't bother me" camp, which goes hand-in-hand with legalization. So that's a good sign. LOL

Prohibition does NOT work so here's my pithy theory as to why weed is still illegal:

1. Weed makes people anti-war/peace lovers, thereby creating resistance to Gov't and Corporate power. It makes people THINK and "the Man" does not want that.

2. Weed replaces many pharmaceuticals, thereby cutting into Corporate profits. A highly medicated (by seriously intense chemicals) population is a controllable population (irony?).

3. Gov't and Corps benefit financially from the War On Drugs (jails, police, weaponry, etc). But even if it can be shown that they can make even MORE money by selling and taxing marijuana they will resist because of reasons #1 and #2.

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ianmoone332000

I smoked "hash" since i was 13 until i was around 20 and stopped when the paranoia got too much. A few years later and i have had all sorts of problems with anxiety that still plaque me and i blame cannabis 100%. On the other side my best friend started smoking it with me and still smokes it to this day. He is perfectly normal. Why is this?. The honest truth is if you have underlying mental health issues like depression, anxiety, psychosis etc then cannabis will bring it to the forefront. There is no other explanation on why it brings some people mental health issues but no others. When i was in the hospital for my panic attacks, a lot of people were in there for similar things and they also believed it was cannabis related. Would these mental health issues have presented thereselves at some point in life if the person hadnt smoked weed?. Who knows. Cannabis in itself doesnt cause mental issues, its the person smoking it cause if anything like that is there then cannabis will just speed it up and make it worse

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Well hash is quite different than marijuana. It is super-potent and some hash strains are so intense I cannot go near them. In fact, even when I mix hash with weed it gives me a slight panic attack. It speeds up my heart, I can't breath as well, it freaks me out.

I have tried many, many different types of hash in my life and I almost always regret smoking it. LOL Try some good ol' fashioned mild Mary Jane instead of hash - but for God's sake don't mix it like most Brits and Europeans do. LOL Mixing it with tobacco freaks me out more than hash does!

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epitome

You're smart enough to know that people are answering a question you asked. They may not necessarily agree with the provided answers.

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scottybuzz

This thread needs some facts.

Cannabis: the facts - Live Well - NHS Choices

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L-Pink

The point he missed is I have zero problem with people's private vices. Just don't preface your vice by stating it's a natural plant/gift from God. Now you're justifying your vice of choice, after all there are natural poisons as well and you chose not to use them.


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This message is hidden because SuckOnThis is on your ignore list.

Caught those pics on my phone over the weekend where I wasn't logged in, and can't work out whether you quoted me just as an excuse to post some funny pics, in which case lol, I agree with the humour in them, or whether you were trying to make some kind of point by quoting me, and missing my point entirely.

Knowing what a stupid cunt you are, I'm going for the latter In case there are any other stupid cunts here - my point was blanket statements like "it hurts literally nobody" are dumb, just as if I'd said everyone steals to pay for weed, just because I and others did; or that everyone who smokes ends up a mental retard, just because my buddy and suckonthis did

The Porn Nerd

Thanks for explaining it further! I agree but my point was many condemn weed but support Big Pharma and seemingly have no problem with the endless drug commercials with their terrifying side effects.

Those tv commercials are fucking terrifying: "May cause death", "Uncontrollable limb movements may be permanent", etc etc. Yet all those happy, smiling dopey faces hawking this or that chemical. Yet marijuana is a plant with very little side effects with zero chance - ZERO - of death, permanent limb loss etc etc.

Anyway, it's snowing in NYC (again - enough already!) so time for a bowl.

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