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dyna mo · 03-22-2015, 10:20 AM

more on the UNited Nations against Iran

UN Sanctions against Iran

celandina · 03-22-2015, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Had Bush left Saddam alone there would be no IS.

As I said many times here... Saddam ( Mubarak, Assad, Khadaffi) are/ were bastards, but OUR bastards... Not me,but Truman said that in the 50ties about some tin pot SA dictator.

dyna mo · 03-22-2015, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

As I said many times here... Saddam ( Mubarak, Assad, Khadaffi) are/ were bastards, but OUR bastards... Not me,but Truman said that in the 50ties about some tin pot SA dictator.

you make it sound like hussein was a puppet to USA. he wasn't. Certainly we assisted him in fighting against Iran, etc. decades ago but how's Iran doing since hussein is dead? not any better, so he really didn't keep Iran in check, which was the point of him being a USA bastard.

Vendzilla · 03-22-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sandman!

when has Hezbollah attacked the usa ?

they have not i dont think

Hizballah has been involved in numerous anti-US terrorist attacks, including the suicide truck bombings of the US Embassy in Beirut in April 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut in October 1983, and the US Embassy annex in Beirut in September 1984, as well as the hijacking of TWA 847 in 1985 and the Khobar Towers attack in Saudi Arabia in 1996.

Vendzilla · 03-22-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Had Bush left Saddam alone there would be no IS.

Same could be said if Obama had listened to his generals and had not withdrew the troops when he did.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-22-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Comparing to El Baghdadi the Ayatollah is a democrat

We should have tried and imprisoned or executed that POS ... Mindless. When they get done fighting then what?

El Baghdadi is a criminal sociopath. So, get a delusional paranoid to fight him. This is the same mentality that created bin Laden -- how did that turn out?

Vendzilla · 03-22-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

its refreshing when you admit you have no clue how the world works.

You seem to have a problem with the English language, because I never said that.

I said I don't understand this one thing.

Try pulling your head out of your ass and respond intelligently?

Vendzilla · 03-22-2015, 02:52 PM

Here's what Obama said during an interview
?Two things. One is ISIL is a direct outgrowth of al Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion which is an example of unintended consequences ? which is why we should generally aim before we shoot. We?ve got a sixty country coalition. We will slowly push back ISIL out of Iraq. I?m confident that will happen. But what I?m worried about and what we have to stay worried about is even if ISIL is defeated the underlying problem of disaffected Sunnis around the world but particularly in some of these areas, including Libya, including Yemen, where a young man was growing up and has no education, has no prospects for the future, is looking around. And the one way that he can get validation power respect is if he?s a fighter. And this looks like the toughest gang around so let me affiliate with them. And now you?re giving me a religious rationale for doing this. That?s a problem we?re going to have generally and we can?t keep on thinking about counter-terrorism and security as entirely separate from diplomacy, development, education ? all these things that are considered soft but in fact are vital to our national security. And we do not fund those. If you ask the average person, ?How much do we spend on foreign aid?? They will say, ?25 percent of the federal budget.? Well, it?s little over 1 percent. We should be thinking about making investments there that ultimately save us from having to send our young men and women to fight or having folks come here and doing great harm.?

So in the first sentence, he is blaming Bush for Isis

Wrong. ISIS was an outgrowth of the Syrian civil war, which was a problem that was borne out of President Obama?s early policies in the Muslim world. The Obama administration?s double-minded behavior on foreign policy led to the ?Arab Spring? which led to the toppling of many governments and the rise of extremist terrorist organizations. ISIS is Obama?s baby? and yet he blames Bush for them.

crockett · 03-22-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Ayatollahs with atomic bombs sounds very reasonable ...

Has anyone openly threatened to invade Iran? The Ayatollah is delusional, maybe paranoic, and the Supreme Leader of a theocracy that has divine right to rule.

And you want to give The Ayatollah a nuclear weapons capability?

Humm yes Britain & the USSR did invade Iran during WW2. Not too many years later the US over through their govt because Iran decided the Brits were giving them a raw deal and nationalized the oil industry. The Brits were actually giving them an incredibly shitty deal, so their being upset about such a shitty deal was justified.

We were then on somewhat friendly terms until the Islamist Revolution whom saw the US installed govt as corrupt which it likely was.

During that period a US naval vessel shot down and killed everyone on board an Iranian civilian passenger jet due to mistaken identity. In among this time line Israel attacked a suspected nuclear site and we have been messing with them every since..

Delusional and paranoid, are you fucking kidding? YOU would have to be delusional to not understand why they are paranoid and want nukes. It's very simple they want nukes so we stop fucking with them. We have helped create the problem in which they see the only way out as having nukes..

What the hell do you think the US would do if a foreign govt killed a president or shot down one of our civilian airliners? We have gone to war for much less.

crockett · 03-22-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Here's what Obama said during an interview
“Two things. One is ISIL is a direct outgrowth of al Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion which is an example of unintended consequences — which is why we should generally aim before we shoot. We’ve got a sixty country coalition. We will slowly push back ISIL out of Iraq. I’m confident that will happen. But what I’m worried about and what we have to stay worried about is even if ISIL is defeated the underlying problem of disaffected Sunnis around the world but particularly in some of these areas, including Libya, including Yemen, where a young man was growing up and has no education, has no prospects for the future, is looking around. And the one way that he can get validation power respect is if he’s a fighter. And this looks like the toughest gang around so let me affiliate with them. And now you’re giving me a religious rationale for doing this. That’s a problem we’re going to have generally and we can’t keep on thinking about counter-terrorism and security as entirely separate from diplomacy, development, education — all these things that are considered soft but in fact are vital to our national security. And we do not fund those. If you ask the average person, ‘How much do we spend on foreign aid?’ They will say, ‘25 percent of the federal budget.’ Well, it’s little over 1 percent. We should be thinking about making investments there that ultimately save us from having to send our young men and women to fight or having folks come here and doing great harm.”

So in the first sentence, he is blaming Bush for Isis

Wrong. ISIS was an outgrowth of the Syrian civil war, which was a problem that was borne out of President Obama’s early policies in the Muslim world. The Obama administration’s double-minded behavior on foreign policy led to the “Arab Spring” which led to the toppling of many governments and the rise of extremist terrorist organizations. ISIS is Obama’s baby… and yet he blames Bush for them.

You are very delusional. ISIS came from the guys which Bush paid off not to be insurgents. They stopped fighting in Iraq and started fighting in Syria. Obama stopped paying them and they came back to Iraq.

Yes Obama also had some bad policies in Iraq with him being so stand offish about it, but he most certainly did not create the problem with ISIS. They were there since Bush years, they just went off to Syria after they started getting paid to stop fighting and got better organized.

MaDalton · 03-22-2015, 03:46 PM

all the evil middle east dictators kept the radical muslims in check - it all started when Russia attacked Afghanistan and the US gave weapons to the Mujaheddin (now known as Al Qaeda) to fight a proxy war for them

that turned Afghanistan into the shithole terrorist breeding pit it is now - with all the consequences

so basically it all stems from the cold war

Vendzilla · 03-22-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

all the evil middle east dictators kept the radical muslims in check - it all started when Russia attacked Afghanistan and the US gave weapons to the Mujaheddin (now known as Al Qaeda) to fight a proxy war for them

that turned Afghanistan into the shithole terrorist breeding pit it is now - with all the consequences

so basically it all stems from the cold war

There has been conflict in the area before the cold war, long before the cold war started
List of modern conflicts in the Middle East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GregE · 03-22-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

all the evil middle east dictators kept the radical muslims in check - it all started when Russia attacked Afghanistan and the US gave weapons to the Mujaheddin (now known as Al Qaeda) to fight a proxy war for them

that turned Afghanistan into the shithole terrorist breeding pit it is now - with all the consequences

so basically it all stems from the cold war

True.

And the really ironic part is that the cold war was almost over by then, although no one knew it at the time.

GregE · 03-22-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

There has been conflict in the area before the cold war, long before the cold war started
List of modern conflicts in the Middle East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is true but you have to go back to the Turks 1915 Armenian holocaust and, before that, all the way back to the Mongols sacking of Baghdad to see barbarity and senseless slaughter on today's levels.

Vendzilla · 03-22-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

This is true but you have to go back to the Turks 1915 Armenian holocaust and, before that, all the way back to the Mongols sacking of Baghdad to see barbarity and senseless slaughter on today's levels.

After the way the USSR backed down in Afghanistan, I never understood why we needed to attack the country. Yeah go after Osama, but after we did pool out, Obama wanted to go back, Makes no sense thinking we could do something that the USSR failed at, Twice!

When I heard Obama say in a speech that's what he wanted to do, I couldn't believe how the liberals rallied around him after calling Bush a war monger.

RandyRandy · 03-22-2015, 07:12 PM

Joshua G · 03-22-2015, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Next, I did not ask you about your view on Iran and nukes.

who cares that you didnt ask what i think. its clear you need training wheels to think. i was just trying to help you. thats what nice people do, help the handicapped.

Joshua G · 03-22-2015, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah go after Osama, but after we did pool out, Obama wanted to go back, Makes no sense thinking we could do something that the USSR failed at, Twice!

funny thing. dick cheney thought the same thing in iraq. hey, just conquer saddam, withdraw & let the iraqis sort it out.

then reality set in. they realized oh shit, we can't just leave chaos behind. Look at all the terrorist militias taking over society! Thanks dick cheney.

& thank you vendzilla for showing us you learned nothing from cheney, & want to repeat his mistakes.

hey vendzilla, maybe USA should not have occupied germany. They shoulda listened to you & cheney & let the nazis rebuild.

LOL.

& PS - its pulled out, not pooled out.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-22-2015, 08:32 PM

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(Reuters) - Iran has supplied weapons, money and training to the Shi'ite Houthi militia that seized Yemen's capital in September, as Tehran steps up its regional power struggle with Saudi Arabia, Yemeni and Iranian officials say.

Exactly how much support Iran has given the Houthis, who share a Shi'ite ideology, has never been clear. Sunni countries in the Gulf accuse Iran of interference via Shi'ite proxies in the region, something Tehran denies. ...

...A Western source familiar with Yemen also said the Houthis had been getting training and money.

"It's been happening for over a year. We've seen Houthis going out to Iran and Lebanon for military training."

"We think there is cash, some of which is channeled via Hezbollah and sacks of cash arriving at the airport. The numbers of those going for training are enough for us to worry about,? the source said. The first Yemeni security official said Houthi fighters had received training by Hezbollah in Lebanon.

A senior Iranian official told Reuters that the Quds Force, the external arm of the Revolutionary Guard, had a "few hundred" military personnel in Yemen who train Houthi fighters....

Iranian support seen crucial for Yemen's Houthis | Reuters

Fuck the Ayatollah.

He's a liar and by proxy responsible for the deaths of his own Shiites this past week

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At least 142 people were killed and 351 were wounded when suicide bombers blew themselves up at two mosques attended by Shiite worshipers in the Yemeni capital Sanaa on Friday, medical sources said. ...
....Yemen is torn by a power struggle between the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in the north and the U.N.-recognized President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi, who has set up a rival seat in the south with the backing of Sunni-led Gulf Arab states.

The mosques in Sanaa are known to be used mainly by supporters of the Houthi group, which controls most of northern Yemen.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...y-prayers.html

Iran never hurt anyone -- horseshit.
Iran wants to export their Shia version of the Islamic Republic while ISIS wants to export their Sunni Islamic Caliphate.
Camelshit v. Goatshit.

Welcome to the new Sodom and Gomorrah soon to be a glass parking lot. Let's hope there are not Khamsin winds when it happens.

Vendzilla · 03-22-2015, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

funny thing. dick cheney thought the same thing in iraq. hey, just conquer saddam, withdraw & let the iraqis sort it out.

then reality set in. they realized oh shit, we can't just leave chaos behind. Look at all the terrorist militias taking over society! Thanks dick cheney.

& thank you vendzilla for showing us you learned nothing from cheney, & want to repeat his mistakes.

hey vendzilla, maybe USA should not have occupied germany. They shoulda listened to you & cheney & let the nazis rebuild.

LOL.

& PS - its pulled out, not pooled out.

Proof that you must be really fucking dense, you failed completely to see what I was pointing out.

We pulled out of Afghanistan, please tell us why the fuck we went back? Remember that more troops did under Obama going back to that country than when Bush handled it.

And BTW, Cheney said that way back in 1994, Before he was VP

Maybe you are just pointing out that Obama should have stayed there instead of pulling out of Iraq against his generals advice? Now that it looks like we are going to have to go back?

just a punk · 03-23-2015, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

so basically it all stems from the cold war

So what about Iraq, Libya and Syria then?

Barry-xlovecam · 03-23-2015, 07:19 AM

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But the decision to leave Iraq by that date was not actually taken by President Obama — it was taken by President George W. Bush, and by the Iraqi government.

In one of his final acts in office, President Bush in December of 2008 had signed a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the Iraqi government that set the clock ticking on ending the war he’d launched in March of 2003. The SOFA provided a legal basis for the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq after the United Nations Security Council mandate for the occupation mission expired at the end of 2008. But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate.

Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence | TIME.com

They, the Iraqi government, Shia dominant BTW, ISIS are Sunni, wanted us to GTFO and we did.

Don't blame the "son" for the "father's" sins ...

ISIS attacked the Iraqi and Syrian governments. Iranians are Shia. It's complicated and their war is 1000+ years old Shiaâ--Sunni relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

celandina · 03-23-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

you make it sound like hussein was a puppet to USA. he wasn't. Certainly we assisted him in fighting against Iran, etc. decades ago but how's Iran doing since hussein is dead? not any better, so he really didn't keep Iran in check, which was the point of him being a USA bastard.

You did not get my point... Let me try another analogy: " Enemy of my enemy is my friend"...
So, all the dead/retired dictators ought not to have been deposed by the idiots running EU and the USA. They ought to have been supported and at worst tolerated.

But it is not too late, we have more of them today which ought to be our friends:

1) Assad since he is fighting ISIS
2) Sisi since he is fighting ISIS
3) Putin since he is fighting Chechen extremists allied to ISIS
4) Mushariff who would fight ISIS if US supported his return to Pakistan
5) Hesbolah since they are fighting ISIS
6) Iran revolutionary guards since they are fighting ISIS
7) The Kurds since they are fighting ISIS ( not even night vision googles were given to them by USA).

And my favoured the special forces of Chad who are so wonderfully barbarian and who are giving Boko Haram ( now allied to ISIS) run for their money....

But guess what my last analogy " Those who did not learn from history are ought to repeat it"

In other words can you spell Hitler ???

My favoured new special forces :

Just search Chad military

crockett · 03-23-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

They, the Iraqi government, Shia dominant BTW, ISIS are Sunni, wanted us to GTFO and we did.

Don't blame the "son" for the "father's" sins ...

ISIS attacked the Iraqi and Syrian governments. Iranians are Shia. It's complicated and their war is 1000+ years old Shiaâ--Sunni relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Never mind facts, you are arguing with Vendzilla..everything is always Obamas fault.. he watched on TV after all so he knows a thing or two..

dyna mo · 03-23-2015, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

You did not get my point... Let me try another analogy: " Enemy of my enemy is my friend"...
So, all the dead/retired dictators ought not to have been deposed by the idiots running EU and the USA. They ought to have been supported and at worst tolerated.

But it is not too late, we have more of them today which ought to be our friends:

1) Assad since he is fighting ISIS
2) Sisi since he is fighting ISIS
3) Putin since he is fighting Chechen extremists allied to ISIS
4) Mushariff who would fight ISIS if US supported his return to Pakistan
5) Hesbolah since they are fighting ISIS
6) Iran revolutionary guards since they are fighting ISIS
7) The Kurds since they are fighting ISIS ( not even night vision googles were given to them by USA).

And my favoured the special forces of Chad who are so wonderfully barbarian and who are giving Boko Haram ( now allied to ISIS) run for their money....

But guess what my last analogy " Those who did not learn from history are ought to repeat it"

In other words can you spell Hitler ???

i got your point, i just disagree with it is all. the [opposing] dictators foreign policy is failed policy, we look to history to see that, each and every one of those arrangements crumbles. It's not even an option now because of the internet and information being available through it.

you highlight exactly why the USA needs to stay the fuck out of the fight against ISis. because it means more of the same- sleeping with fuckwad dictators. those guys are going to have to deal with ISIS regardless of USA. that's happening right now. let them deal with it on their own and we won't have to continue with failed foreign policy of my enemy's enemy is my friend sort of strategy. we don't need to be friends.

celandina · 03-23-2015, 08:52 AM

Fuck it it will not let me post my new favoured special forces ... From Chad, US seal team six eat your heart out

just search a few pictures.

celandina · 03-23-2015, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i got your point, i just disagree with it is all. the [opposing] dictators foreign policy is failed policy, we look to history to see that, each and every one of those arrangements crumbles. It's not even an option now because of the internet and information being available through it.

you highlight exactly why the USA needs to stay the fuck out of the fight against ISis. because it means more of the same- sleeping with fuckwad dictators. those guys are going to have to deal with ISIS regardless of USA. that's happening right now. let them deal with it on their own and we won't have to continue with failed foreign policy of my enemy's enemy is my friend sort of strategy. we don't need to be friends.

OK then, lets agree to disagree..... And stay friends. I think you also believe that USA ought to have stayed out of Second World War.... But the 3rd one will be much shorter.

dyna mo · 03-23-2015, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

OK then, lets agree to disagree..... And stay friends. I think you also believe that USA ought to have stayed out of Second World War.... But the 3rd one will be much shorter.

right on!

i do like your perspective, i think parallels between ancient Rome and now are in fact very valid, just like plenty of history needs to be examined and compared to now. we just make different conclusion based on that. you keep it respectful and i respect that.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-23-2015, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

[y]ou highlight exactly why the USA needs to stay the fuck out of the fight against ISis. because it means more of the same- sleeping with fuckwad dictators. those guys are going to have to deal with ISIS regardless of USA. ...

It is hard to contain war criminals. You are right though -- it is the locals' responsibility but only up to a point.

ISIS is trying to suck the USA into their fight. You have to look at their ulterior motivations -- is ISIS a proxy for someone? Or, is ISIS just Saddam's bogeyman ... Or, the bogyman of the Ayatollah? Of course some allude to greater conspiracies: the MOSSAD, the CIA maybe even the FSB.

All I know for sure is that ISIS and al Qaeda are committing war crimes: attacking civilian populations without any justification and cutting off their captives heads like its 1200 AD. My enemy ISIS is my enemy al Qaeda's enemy -- so who should I make my alliance with? I say Neither.
Same goes for the Ayatollah he, and his government, are part of this madness.

trevesty · 03-23-2015, 09:35 AM

TIL a biker on GFY is more knowledgeable about geo politics and real time intelligence data from Iran / Hezbollah than the entire western world's intelligence apparatus.

The more you know.

dyna mo · 03-23-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

It is hard to contain war criminals. You are right though -- it is the locals' responsibility but only up to a point.

ISIS is trying to suck the USA into their fight. You have to look at their ulterior motivations -- is ISIS a proxy for someone? Or, is ISIS just Saddam's bogeyman ... Or, the bogyman of the Ayatollah? Of course some allude to greater conspiracies: the MOSSAD, the CIA maybe even the FSB.

All I know for sure is that ISIS and al Qaeda are committing war crimes: attacking civilian populations without any justification and cutting off their captives heads like its 1200 AD. My enemy ISIS is my enemy al Qaeda's enemy -- so who should I make my alliance with? I say Neither.
Same goes for the Ayatollah he, and his government, are part of this madness.

and they are succeeding. they [prolly] know that it is currently impossible for US to not get sucked into it. was reading this weekend ISIS published the names of US servicemen, in an attempt to have them and their families targeted, etc.

i don't believe in isolationist policy but i do fully believe in realizing failed policy and not continuing to embrace it, that means not partnering up with these radical factions

Barry-xlovecam · 03-23-2015, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

and they are succeeding. ...

The world is being baited--definately. The question is who is cutting the bait?

dyna mo · 03-23-2015, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The world is being baited--definately. The question is who is cutting the bait?

what do you mean?

Joshua G · 03-23-2015, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Proof that you must be really fucking dense, you failed completely to see what I was pointing out.

We pulled out of Afghanistan, please tell us why the fuck we went back? Remember that more troops did under Obama going back to that country than when Bush handled it.

And BTW, Cheney said that way back in 1994, Before he was VP

Maybe you are just pointing out that Obama should have stayed there instead of pulling out of Iraq against his generals advice? Now that it looks like we are going to have to go back?

pointless to dialogue with you. we talk past each other. just take your thought pollutions to the fox news forum where people will high 5 you for being stupid.

GregE · 03-23-2015, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

what do you mean?

If I understand his question correctly, he's asking who really wants the USA (and other Western countries) to jump into the battle with both feet? It's a good question.

My guess would be that it's ISIS that wants us in there because they sincerely believe that they can bleed us dry in so doing.

Vendzilla · 03-23-2015, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G

pointless to dialogue with you. we talk past each other. just take your thought pollutions to the fox news forum where people will high 5 you for being stupid.

Love when I make a point and you choose to ignore it

Vendzilla · 03-23-2015, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

TIL a biker on GFY is more knowledgeable about geo politics and real time intelligence data from Iran / Hezbollah than the entire western world's intelligence apparatus.

The more you know.

Funny how when people have nothing intelligent to say resort saying stupid things

ZeroHero · 03-23-2015, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

Usa and iran friends again

Yup BFF

dyna mo · 03-23-2015, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

If I understand his question correctly, he's asking who really wants the USA (and other Western countries) to jump into the battle with both feet? It's a good question.

My guess would be that it's ISIS that wants us in there because they sincerely believe that they can bleed us dry in so doing.

that's what i think too, i got the impresssion Barry was suggesting something else.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-23-2015, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

what do you mean?

It's a metaphor.

Create your own enemy so you can start a war -- false flag (<maybe>). At any rate, ISIS is running out of Western hostages to decapitate so what is next?

But the topic is the 'terrorist list'. Iran funds Hezbollah and they are both facilitators and executors of terrorism, respectively. That is a known fact. So, now that the enemy fights our enemy they are on our side? Of course not.

dyna mo · 03-23-2015, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

It's a metaphor.

Create your own enemy so you can start a war -- false flag (<maybe>). At any rate, ISIS is running out of Western hostages to decapitate so what is next?

But the topic is the 'terrorist list'. Iran funds Hezbollah and they are both facilitators and executors of terrorism, respectively. That is a known fact. So, now that the enemy fights our enemy they are on our side? Of course not.

i know it's a metaphor!

i meant are you implying nefarious USA government created ISIS or something else.

IMO, the terrorist threat grew from the vacuum created when the cold war timed out.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-23-2015, 02:00 PM

No it is not a CIA or MOSSAD operation ...
This from 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/wo...anted=all&_r=0
This is from 2008
Iran's Involvement in Iraq - Council on Foreign Relations
And this from yesterday
Kurdish MP: 30,000 Iranian soldiers, military experts fighting i

I don't know what is going on exactly ... Look toward the northern front in Syria ...

Ayatollah -- Hello Vietnam?

03-22-2015, 02:52 PM	#58
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	Here's what Obama said during an interview ?Two things. One is ISIL is a direct outgrowth of al Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion which is an example of unintended consequences ? which is why we should generally aim before we shoot. We?ve got a sixty country coalition. We will slowly push back ISIL out of Iraq. I?m confident that will happen. But what I?m worried about and what we have to stay worried about is even if ISIL is defeated the underlying problem of disaffected Sunnis around the world but particularly in some of these areas, including Libya, including Yemen, where a young man was growing up and has no education, has no prospects for the future, is looking around. And the one way that he can get validation power respect is if he?s a fighter. And this looks like the toughest gang around so let me affiliate with them. And now you?re giving me a religious rationale for doing this. That?s a problem we?re going to have generally and we can?t keep on thinking about counter-terrorism and security as entirely separate from diplomacy, development, education ? all these things that are considered soft but in fact are vital to our national security. And we do not fund those. If you ask the average person, ?How much do we spend on foreign aid?? They will say, ?25 percent of the federal budget.? Well, it?s little over 1 percent. We should be thinking about making investments there that ultimately save us from having to send our young men and women to fight or having folks come here and doing great harm.? So in the first sentence, he is blaming Bush for Isis Wrong. ISIS was an outgrowth of the Syrian civil war, which was a problem that was borne out of President Obama?s early policies in the Muslim world. The Obama administration?s double-minded behavior on foreign policy led to the ?Arab Spring? which led to the toppling of many governments and the rise of extremist terrorist organizations. ISIS is Obama?s baby? and yet he blames Bush for them. __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

03-22-2015, 03:46 PM	#61
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,822	all the evil middle east dictators kept the radical muslims in check - it all started when Russia attacked Afghanistan and the US gave weapons to the Mujaheddin (now known as Al Qaeda) to fight a proxy war for them that turned Afghanistan into the shithole terrorist breeding pit it is now - with all the consequences so basically it all stems from the cold war __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

03-22-2015, 07:12 PM	#66
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03-22-2015, 10:20 AM	#51
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03-23-2015, 08:52 AM	#76
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03-23-2015, 09:35 AM	#80
trevesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 3,802	TIL a biker on GFY is more knowledgeable about geo politics and real time intelligence data from Iran / Hezbollah than the entire western world's intelligence apparatus. The more you know.

03-23-2015, 02:00 PM	#92
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	No it is not a CIA or MOSSAD operation ... This from 2006 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/wo...anted=all&_r=0 This is from 2008 Iran's Involvement in Iraq - Council on Foreign Relations And this from yesterday Kurdish MP: 30,000 Iranian soldiers, military experts fighting i I don't know what is going on exactly ... Look toward the northern front in Syria ... Ayatollah -- Hello Vietnam?