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EonBlue · 04-06-2015, 10:06 AM

Ontario plans cap-and-trade on greenhouse gas emissions - The Globe and Mail

We're doomed.

This will be the final nail in the coffin of the economy of Ontario. Yet the numbskulls will still blame it on Harper.

And this will have zero effect on climate one way or another.

Two comments from the article sum it perfectly:

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Cap n' Trade is Liberal perfection. It's inexplicable, unmanageable, wasteful, and corruptible.

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The only two words you need to pay attention to in this article is "raising money". The rest is superfluous.

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dyna mo · 04-06-2015, 10:14 AM

get ready for the price of gasoline to go up too. suppliers pass along the fees to consumers.

EonBlue · 04-06-2015, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

get ready for the price of gasoline to go up too. suppliers pass along the fees to consumers.

Of course. The cost of everything is going to go up.

We already get majorly gouged with taxes on our gas already.

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dyna mo · 04-06-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

Of course. The cost of everything is going to go up.

We already get majorly gouged with taxes on our gas already.

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how much are your taxes on gas? in Cali, we're at ~.85c/gal

the irony with passing along the fees, is it completely bypasses the point of the fees, there is no cap if the penalty is simply passed along.

BlackCrayon · 04-06-2015, 10:30 AM

wynn is making sure she won't remain in power. shes worse than dalton.

PR_Glen · 04-06-2015, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

how much are your taxes on gas? in Cali, we're at ~.85c/gal

the irony with passing along the fees, is it completely bypasses the point of the fees, there is no cap if the penalty is simply passed along.

14.7 cents per litre which is about 14% give or take. i'm sure there is other bs tax involved though

EonBlue · 04-06-2015, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

how much are your taxes on gas? in Cali, we're at ~.85c/gal

the irony with passing along the fees, is it completely bypasses the point of the fees, there is no cap if the penalty is simply passed along.

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

14.7 cents per litre which is about 14% give or take. i'm sure there is other bs tax involved though

27.9 cents per litre in Ontario right now - close to a third of the total current price. That is including sales tax. That works out to around 105.7 cents per US gallon.

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EonBlue · 04-06-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

wynn is making sure she won't remain in power. shes worse than dalton.

Problem is she has four more years to wreak havoc before she has to face the public. By then too much damage will have been done. And I have no faith in the public to make her accountable for the mess she has made/is making/will continue to make.

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2MuchMark · 04-06-2015, 01:40 PM

It looks like a great idea.

SilentKnight · 04-06-2015, 01:52 PM

Have to pay down the coal plant fiasco, e-health, Ornge and all the other Libtard failures over the past few decades. McSquinty got out before the lynch mob.

EonBlue · 04-06-2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

It looks like a great idea.

Of course you would say that. You live in a province that has a similar scam in place already. It is a horrible idea that will accomplish nothing other than increase revenues for the government for them to piss away. It is no coincidence that Quebec and Ontario will be facing Greek style economic crises and austerity measures in the coming years (already started in Quebec). And here's the worst part for you - poor people can't afford to give a shit about CO2.

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Have to pay down the coal plant fiasco, e-health, Ornge and all the other Libtard failures over the past few decades. McSquinty got out before the lynch mob.

They won't pay anything down. They will just increase spending accordingly with their new windfall. The thought of cutting spending has never entered their tiny little pea brains.

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Dvae · 04-06-2015, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

It looks like a great idea.

What would be a great idea was to add surcharges or special taxes for electric vehicles. After all you use the same roads. Why shouldn't you pay your fair share?

2MuchMark · 04-06-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

What would be a great idea was to add surcharges or special taxes for electric vehicles. After all you use the same roads. Why shouldn't you pay your fair share?

It's not a road tax, it's a fossil fuel tax. (even though they don't want to call it a "tax").

Try to think of it like this. Let's say you pay $1.30 at the pump for a litre of gas, and you are told that $1.30 covers all of the costs of the gas including drilling, refining, profit, etc. It sounds relatively fair expect for the fact that one important cost is left out : The cost of pollution in the damage to the air, greenhouse gasses, oil spills, etc.

By taxing fossil fuels and giving that money (or some of it) to green energy plans, you do 3 things: You encourage development in green energy, make using fossil more expensive, and make going green more attractive.

Sure some scamming or corruption or other backroom deals going on but this is a great start.

PR_Glen · 04-07-2015, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

27.9 cents per litre in Ontario right now - close to a third of the total current price. That is including sales tax. That works out to around 105.7 cents per US gallon.

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yeah, i guess they didn't include the hst on the gov website.

Sly · 04-07-2015, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

It's not a road tax, it's a fossil fuel tax. (even though they don't want to call it a "tax").

Try to think of it like this. Let's say you pay $1.30 at the pump for a litre of gas, and you are told that $1.30 covers all of the costs of the gas including drilling, refining, profit, etc. It sounds relatively fair expect for the fact that one important cost is left out : The cost of pollution in the damage to the air, greenhouse gasses, oil spills, etc.

By taxing fossil fuels and giving that money (or some of it) to green energy plans, you do 3 things: You encourage development in green energy, make using fossil more expensive, and make going green more attractive.

Sure some scamming or corruption or other backroom deals going on but this is a great start.

I think he's pointing out that by using higher MPG vehicles (electric/hybrid,) you are paying less gas tax than all other cars, yet doing just as much damage to the road. I don't know what it's like in Canada, but in the United States the idea behind the gas tax was to pay for road construction and maintenance. It has gone very sideways since the original implementation, but that was the purpose.

2MuchMark · 04-07-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I think he's pointing out that by using higher MPG vehicles (electric/hybrid,) you are paying less gas tax than all other cars, yet doing just as much damage to the road. I don't know what it's like in Canada, but in the United States the idea behind the gas tax was to pay for road construction and maintenance. It has gone very sideways since the original implementation, but that was the purpose.

Hi SLy,

Same here - I don't have the exact numbers but the tax on gas is huge, and based on the condition of the roads in Montreal, I'm willing to bet that zero goes to fixing the roads. The amount of pot holes are out of control and some of them are dangerously deep. About 5 years ago I hit a pot hole at only about 30 km/h and it knocked the tire off my wheel and caused about $1500 in damage. Montreal's roads are a joke.

j3rkules · 04-07-2015, 08:18 AM

The only two words you need to pay attention to in this article is "raising money". The rest is superfluous.

PR_Glen · 04-07-2015, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Hi SLy,

Same here - I don't have the exact numbers but the tax on gas is huge, and based on the condition of the roads in Montreal, I'm willing to bet that zero goes to fixing the roads. The amount of pot holes are out of control and some of them are dangerously deep. About 5 years ago I hit a pot hole at only about 30 km/h and it knocked the tire off my wheel and caused about $1500 in damage. Montreal's roads are a joke.

roads are covered by taxes on fuel, registration fees and tolls in canada. which are very high..

Dvae · 04-07-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

It's not a road tax, it's a fossil fuel tax. (even though they don't want to call it a "tax").

Try to think of it like this. Let's say you pay $1.30 at the pump for a litre of gas, and you are told that $1.30 covers all of the costs of the gas including drilling, refining, profit, etc. It sounds relatively fair expect for the fact that one important cost is left out : The cost of pollution in the damage to the air, greenhouse gasses, oil spills, etc.

By taxing fossil fuels and giving that money (or some of it) to green energy plans, you do 3 things: You encourage development in green energy, make using fossil more expensive, and make going green more attractive.

Sure some scamming or corruption or other backroom deals going on but this is a great start.

Mark you are absolutely delusional if you think that politicians aren't going to start taxing in some fashion electric cars. Whether it be tolls or some kind of highway tax you can call it whatever you want. They aren't going to suddenly stop spending money just because there are no fossil fuels being used.

In your utopian dream we will all be driving electric cars. That's good you say but wait, where are they going to get money to build roads and bridges, tunnels etc.

dyna mo · 04-07-2015, 04:36 PM

dyna mo · 04-07-2015, 04:46 PM

typical libtard lack of thinking-----

The cap-and-trade for fuels is a regulation already adopted by the California Air Resources Board that will increase the cost of gasoline and diesel fuels by up to 76 a cents a gallon, according to the agency’s own analysis

And those costs won’t stop at the pump – they’ll increase the cost of everything that uses gasoline and diesel to transport products to market.

This hidden gas tax will hit middle and low-income families and small businesses the most, and will make it more expensive for local governments and school districts to provide public safety, ambulances, school transportation and other services upon which Californians rely.

The cost to fuel providers will be determined by government-run auctions at which companies and individuals buy and sell carbon allowances. The current minimum price of those allowances is about $12 per ton. But those costs could fluctuate widely if there is a shortage of allowances or if one or more traders purchases large volumes of allowances and elects to withhold them from the market.

Experts say the volatile nature of carbon trading markets could result in price spikes of $1 per gallon or more.

The cap places a hard limit on how much gasoline and diesel can be sold. If robust economic growth occurs, the cap could prevent the sale of gasoline and diesel, even if demand calls for more gasoline and diesel consumption.

Cap and Trade for Fuels | CA Fuel Facts

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,170	typical libtard lack of thinking----- The cap-and-trade for fuels is a regulation already adopted by the California Air Resources Board that will increase the cost of gasoline and diesel fuels by up to 76 a cents a gallon, according to the agency’s own analysis And those costs won’t stop at the pump – they’ll increase the cost of everything that uses gasoline and diesel to transport products to market. This hidden gas tax will hit middle and low-income families and small businesses the most, and will make it more expensive for local governments and school districts to provide public safety, ambulances, school transportation and other services upon which Californians rely. The cost to fuel providers will be determined by government-run auctions at which companies and individuals buy and sell carbon allowances. The current minimum price of those allowances is about $12 per ton. But those costs could fluctuate widely if there is a shortage of allowances or if one or more traders purchases large volumes of allowances and elects to withhold them from the market. Experts say the volatile nature of carbon trading markets could result in price spikes of $1 per gallon or more. The cap places a hard limit on how much gasoline and diesel can be sold. If robust economic growth occurs, the cap could prevent the sale of gasoline and diesel, even if demand calls for more gasoline and diesel consumption. Cap and Trade for Fuels \| CA Fuel Facts