going to the protest 2nite

[brassmonkey]

no crime for me if i film you tuff shit

[Harmon]

?There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs ? partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.?

Booker T. Washington 1881

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Harmon

?There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs ? partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.?

Booker T. Washington 1881

a retard such as yourself could not hold back. why do they keep you here?

[RyuLion]

Congratz to you..proof with pics..

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

a retard such as yourself could not hold back. why do they keep you here?

He said it not me. Was he black? Yes he was. And he SAW it in 1881.

Hold back? You are talking about going to protests...

You are such a moron. This guy tried hard as fuck to make change... you fucked it up. And you continually fuck it up with posts like this about attending protests for attention.

You are a fucking stooge. A low life, piece of shit.

He was right. He was damn fucking right. At least about you.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Congratz to you..proof with pics..

only if a crime is committed im not snitching on a protest you are near pm if u want to join

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Harmon

He said it not me. Was he black? Yes he was. And he SAW it in 1881.

Hold back? You are talking about going to protests...

You are such a moron. This guy tried hard as fuck to make change... you fucked it up. And you continually fuck it up with posts like this about attending protests for attention.

You are a fucking stooge. A low life, piece of shit.

He was right. He was damn fucking right. At least about you.

to provide a bit of context, Booker T Washington public beliefs and influence weren't exactly 100% positive for Black peeps in the US. For example, he advocated that peeps work within the punitive Jim Crow system rather than strive to change it (although to be fair in private his beliefs were more progressive)

The point is, a lot of what he said and wrote publicly is pretty problematic (and in some cases contrary to what he actually thought). His approach was also tied to a specific belief system regarding the connection between class and morality that today is still part of the problem.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

to provide a bit of context, Booker T Washington public beliefs and influence weren't exactly 100% positive for Black peeps in the US. For example, he advocated that peeps work within the punitive Jim Crow system rather than strive to change it (although to be fair in private his beliefs were more progressive)

The point is, a lot of what he said and wrote publicly is pretty problematic (and in some cases contrary to what he actually thought). His approach was also tied to a specific belief system regarding the connection between class and morality that today is still part of the problem.

I didn't write it, I just quoted it. It was written/said by a black man. I am not even sure what he was trying to say to be quite honest. All I know is that it was written in 1881. Was he a time traveler?

[xXXtesy10]

are you taking ak47 as posted before?

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

im not snitching

makes a change

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

to provide a bit of context, Booker T Washington public beliefs and influence weren't exactly 100% positive for Black peeps in the US. For example, he advocated that peeps work within the punitive Jim Crow system rather than strive to change it (although to be fair in private his beliefs were more progressive)

The point is, a lot of what he said and wrote publicly is pretty problematic (and in some cases contrary to what he actually thought). His approach was also tied to a specific belief system regarding the connection between class and morality that today is still part of the problem.

It's called a gateway policy. It makes neither side happy but is necessary to move forward to the actual liberation of the oppressed. Don't ask don't tell was a gateway policy that eventually led to the liberation of non straight military personnel.

An effective politician says and does what the public actually needs to move forward, they sacrifice their own agenda & opinions for the greater good. This is nothing new.

There is a connection between class and morality, that is not the problem. When you have more resources and no worries about feeding your children, or yourself, you're more capable of doing what's ethically acceptable. Many of the very poor, or very rich, exhibit a deficit of many morals overall. Neither have much to lose. The super rich feel they should be held up in bad times because of all the good they've done, the super poor feel they should be held up because they've been dealt a bad card. When I mention very poor/rich, that is the bottom rung of any given society, not what someone in one nation might consider poor in another.

You cannot be higher class and maintain your position without appropriate ethics, but you can with inappropriate morals.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Harmon

I didn't write it, I just quoted it. It was written/said by a black man. I am not even sure what he was trying to say to be quite honest. All I know is that it was written in 1881. Was he a time traveler?

the point I was trying to make was that he was a man with a lot of problematic beliefs and practices. To quote W.E.B. Dubois (a pivotal Civil Rights leader during that era): "Mr. Washington?s programme practically accepts the alleged inferiority of the Negro races"

Originally Posted by Bladewire

It's called a gateway policy. It makes neither side happy but is necessary to move forward to the actual liberation of the oppressed. Don't ask don't tell was a gateway policy that eventually led to the liberation of non straight military personnel.

An effective politician says and does what the public actually needs to move forward, they sacrifice their own agenda & opinions for the greater good. This is nothing new.

that's not exactly what occurred in the case of Booker T. His approach was more about preparing Black Americans to fill specific (subservient) positions in an unjust system, not about enacting greater progressive change. The doc The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow gives a really wicked analysis of his approach

Originally Posted by Bladewire

There is a connection between class and morality, that is not the problem. When you have more resources and no worries about feeding your children, or yourself, you're more capable of doing what's ethically acceptable. Many of the very poor, or very rich, exhibit a deficit of many morals overall. Neither have much to lose. The super rich feel they should be held up in bad times because of all the good they've done, the super poor feel they should be held up because they've been dealt a bad card. When I mention very poor/rich, that is the bottom rung of any given society, not what someone in one nation might consider poor in another.

the connection between class and morality to which I was referring was the attitude that poor peeps somehow had it coming, that simply being poor indicates laziness, poor character, blah blah blah

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You cannot be higher class and maintain your position without appropriate ethics, but you can with inappropriate morals.

dude, seriously.

think back to the financial crisis back in '08. How many peeps earned massive profits from that? How many of them went to jail?

If you're poor you can get jail time for kiting a check, but participate in an elaborate, ongoing scam that nearly brings down the global economy? Pay a corporate fine that equals a small percentage of the overall profit gained through the unethical means.

No one at any point on the income scale has a better claim on morality than anyone else, and I'd argue that within the current system those who have the most already sometimes have the least to lose.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Harmon

?There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs ? partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.?

Booker T. Washington 1881

Respectable man

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Respectable man

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Harmon

He said it not me. Was he black? Yes he was. And he SAW it in 1881.

Hold back? You are talking about going to protests...

You are such a moron. This guy tried hard as fuck to make change... you fucked it up. And you continually fuck it up with posts like this about attending protests for attention.

You are a fucking stooge. A low life, piece of shit.

He was right. He was damn fucking right. At least about you.

Word. Hahahahahas like brassmonkey are exactly what's being referenced in that quote.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

no crime for me if i film you tuff shit

You may find this useful, seeing how you live in a country where your first (and probably only) language is English.

Good luck man!