Joshua G

i read debates about this all the time. Hawking says we must leave this planet within 1000 years or we will be extinct.

but why does anyone think people can live outside earth? cause star trek says so?

fact is, many things are required on earth for us to live. The planet must be in the habitable zone. there must be abundant water. there must be a specific mixture of gases in the air, including oxygen. the earth must be tilted so there are seasons. there must be a magnetic field to protect us from cosmic rays. there must be ozone to protect us from UV rays. there must be a moon to provide a stable earth orbit around the sun. there must be a stable climate over thousands of years, no ice planets, supervolcanos or asteroids. we need to live with an air pressure of 14psi, & we need gravity. Need fertile soil to grow plants, & abundant land for both the plants & animals we eat.

the next closest planets are venus & mars. they are too hot, & too cold. no atmospheres. the next star is 24 trillion miles away. it takes a decade just to launch a robot to photograph Pluto, only 3 billion miles away. any human population traveling outside the solar system will reproduce into something not human in a gravity free environment.

we can barely get 3 people to live 6 months in an enclosed tube only miles outside earth orbit. How is the whole human race going to live without earth? & who would want to live inside a tube, with no gravity, no outdoors, for all their lives?

pipe dream.

dyna mo

Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.

josephhector

i can't understand properly what you want to say

ZeroHero

It was before the big wars, before we relocate our civilisation on planet earth, right?

PornoPlopedia

No. We will have destroyed our planet way before being able to create another viable home for us in the universe

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aka123

My answer is; probably. I don't exactly understand what you mean about whole human race living outside Earth? The ones those stay on Earth die, or all population is moved? And why all population should be moved anyways? America is populated by Europeans despite the fact that not everybody went there.

Also, there are billions of people; there will be enough people willing to live in tube or another planet. If that will be a evolutionary bottle neck, then it is.

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interstellar and battlestar galatica

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Rochard

Why do we need seasons?

Yes, I think we will leave the planet. Eventually we will build ships just like on Star Trek and go out and explore. I don't think any of them will ever have the intention of returning to earth; They will spend entire generations exploring the universe.

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Joshua G

the idea is that our planet will have another extinction event, & the human race will have to find an alternate place to live or else the whole of humanity, & all acquired knowledge, dies, & life returns to the frogs.

so if one is egalitarian, we are not talking about a few richie riches taking off for a better life. we're talking re-establishing all the people on earth somewhere else. i believe the best bet is to live underground, that its impossible to establish a population in outer space, ever. too many obstacles. we would need to invent ways of generating gravity, generating sunlight, & food, & something akin to an outdoor area, otherwise its a group of people living in a jail right?

so can a population of people ever live in space? i dont think it will ever happen.

Joshua G

yes, a few elon musks will do that. but im talking about continuing the whole human race outside earth. do you think that a group of explorers can build a new population in space? you do understand there is no gravity, food, air, air pressure, sunlight with bad rays filtered out...generations of humans reproducing without gravity will quickly evolve into blobs and/or something other than a human. how does one maintain a billion people without a planet?

aka123

What is wrong with the frogs?

Well, if frogs can live in here, so do we. I don't understand why you assume humans living just in some space station.. outside Earth I mean. Also relocating all the people is not necessary for the continuum of humans (and life in general, if whole Earth dies). Sure it is nice to get everybody on board if it's doom on Earth, but it is not really required. Some tens of thousands would be enough. We have been in there before.

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aka123

What is wrong with blobs?

They would still be alive. I will rather be blob than dead. "I" have already been all kinds of things, and see, it went just fine.

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What's that movie where everyone is living a perfect life in space. Perfectly manicured lawns etc and a crash happens..
Will Smith?

VSKevin

Definitely think we will! Thought it might not happen until we really rip all the resources outta Earth like in Interstellar!

It's a must watch for sci-fi geeks!

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crockett

Elysium and it was Matt Damon. I suspect it will be something close to that. Earth will be the shit hole and they will build some sort of orbiting satellite housing platform for those whom can afford to leave.

Then again.. it's probably easier to instead build a sheltered city underground or under water here on Earth as even if we turn this planet to shit, we would still have a better chance here in some sort of protective environment than out in space or on a second planet with no atmosphere.

The biggest thing a second colony on a place like Mars would do, is make sure we all can't be wiped out by a killer asteroid or perhaps a nuclear war..

Rochard

Eventually we will find a planet that can support us. There seems to be an endless amount of planets, so eventually we will find one able to support life as we know it.

Most planets will have gravity to some degree; The moon has gravity just not as much as we are used to.

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dyna mo

i'm going to say no, we won't relocate.

the difficulties with costs, the technology, etc will extend the ability to do it too far into the future, consequently, the human race will be wiped out before we achieve the capacity for outer space colonization.

Joshua G

we have a better shot living on saturns moon titan than we would travelling anywhere outside the solar system. how do you supply a ship with enough food & alcohol for an 80,000 year trip to the nearest star? humans havent even been alive that long.

Joshua G

i wouldnt say the entire race would die. just like 65 million years back, not every single life was extinguished. congress would be safe in DOD bunkers, ready to carry on the human race with their values.



im with you though, people need too many resources to just pack on a ship & go somewhere else. my bet is AI will carry the torch of knowledge after they kill all the humans.

Penny24Seven

The nearest star is 4 light years away. They would have to send out hundreds of space probes like now and hope 500 years from now 1 of them finds something even close to live on and then all the shit it would take after that seems like it would never happen.
If you have to travel through space for hundreds of years you need food for hundreds of years and how are you born on a ship just to know your whole life until you die will be spent on that ship.
Nobody who leaves earth will ever see a new place to live or their kids or their kids kids kids kids. You have to grasp how far shit is and how long it takes to get there

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dyna mo

i wouldn't be surprised that there are government safe places. was at the getty museum recently and commented to my acquaintance that the rumor is there is a vast network of tunnels and rooms underneath it. she asked me if i thought if it was bomb proof/had nuclear doors. duh, of course it would!

but, i think of this in terms of fermi's paradox, if there are aliens, where are they? and there's actually math that shows the milky way should have been colonized by now. no where in the visible universe has technologically advanced life. to me, that points to it being impossibly difficult to accomplish, even over 100s and 100s of millions of years.

here's a good article on the math
Sentient Developments: New mathematical study reveals that our Galaxy should have been colonized by now

and when you think that the nearest exoplanet is, i think, 5 light years away, then we can ALMOST rule out being able to colonize another planet without needing to live in tubes.

i say almost because there's a pretty cool article i read that, according to NASA, warp drive is maybe doable.

Make it so!: NASA engineers say they successfully tested a real ‘warp drive’

anyway, so the only chance we'd have to colonize outer space would be within this solar system, and i'm with your OP, we're not cutout to live in tubes on other planets in addition to the immense difficulties and challenges that would need to be overcome.

dyna mo

i wonder if the machines could survive a massive natural event such as a super solar flare that knocks everything the fuck out. or a supervolcano eruption that blips out the sun for 100,000 years so the machines' batteries run out. something like that.

Joshua G

this is the issue i see everytime i debate someone who thinks we will live in space. a total lack of humility & understanding how large the universe is, & how many miraculous coincidences line up on earth just to make our lives possible. just take 1 factor out like water or ozone, & forget it, no life on earth.

Joshua G

a machine intelligence would have none of the physical restraints of carbon organisms & in theory the entire universe could become their playground, so an extinction event on earth would be irrelevent as the important machinery would be relocated into space. Less important machines would be allowed to wither, much like humans do with the poor.

L-Pink

I think there will be a perfect utopia set up on planet Libtard.

crockett

NASA has potentially figured out how to make a warp drive. It's been in the news a lot recently and they just did a test on it, which seems to show it will actually work in space.

dyna mo

This would suggest machines would have colonized earth by now right? I would imagine machines will also have a difficult time with space. I do imagine they could be vunerable to particular cataclysmic events. Solar flare can zap out way past earth.

dyna mo

I links a good article on that a few posts up.

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who will relocate us again?

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MiamiBoyz

No, we will never leave this planet to live. We do not have the technology for such a long journey even to explore to see if there might possibly be a planet that could sustain humanoids. The likelihood of it having the right mix of gases to breath...the right gravitational pull so that we might weigh 150 on earth on planet x we weigh 900 lbs, and so many more.

The human animal is going to run it's course right here on earth just as millions and millions of other species have come and gone before us. We will join them in the history books as one more extinct species.

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MPGdevil

God put us on Earth. God will move us somewhere else.

just a punk

Nope. It will simple kill itself like many times in the past

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I remember watching the landing on the moon on TV. A wise old man that had been in world war 2 chimed in real quick and pointed out how they're going to make a "fucking nazi" a hero.

His words hit home with me and I'll maintain to this day that the entire bullshit about Outer Space is only concerned with the weapons industry and the weaponization of space. Even the that stupid expensive pathfinder probe looking at rocks on Mars was and is nothing more then to develop long distance remote drone tech.

Screw space and screw NASA and all the other bullshit. Go out and clean up the fucking oceans instead.

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Antonio

Why move to another planet? Build space cities and move there, much like a spacecraft, but bigger and better equipped for living there long term. And it will probably happen much sooner than you think.

dyna mo

gonna be hard to colonize outer space amigos! and not arrive at the destination with a bunch of **********s.

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Joshua G

so the only reason we are looking for aliens is so we can bomb them? OK.

ilnjscb

self repair capable robots and nanobots = terraforming

I give it 45 - 60 years

pimpmaster9000

why would we move to another planet?...makes no sense to keep our physical bodies and be limited by heat and weather ect...an advanced society can project a perfect "hollodeck"...upload the mind on to a chip or the brain in to a jar and we could all exist on a giant space ship...

it would make more sense to live in a virtual world in a small confined environment than to actually move to other planets and face the challenges there...

if you can not tell the difference, then it is the same...

here is some food for thought...

how do you know we are not already uploaded to some matrix? not by some grand architect but by ourselves...the most logical conclusion would be than an advanced society ceased to exist in flesh and blood form but opted for something more convenient...

like sim city...only 1000 years in the future where you can actually upload your thoughts in to the simulation...

you could have a virtual child and not be able to tell the difference...

making complicated space ships to bend time and support fragile human life is not the way I thin it will go...

we could be on our way to another planet right now! a whole planet put on a chip, travelling for the last 2000 years, when we arrive to the planet, our technology will replicate our bodies for us and terraform the planet to our needs...until then we travel space on auto pilot, in a dream where you simply continue your life in complete oblivion...

this is a more logical scenario for long distance space travel IMO

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AmateurKing

Somebody is watching too much Marvel and scifi movies.

Who knows. A comet might collide before that and we might also have the fate of dinosaurs a thousand years from now.

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pimpmaster9000

heres a 5 min cartoon about the double slit experiment, its basically proof that we are uploaded and that our environment reacts like a computer program would, the more you think about it the more sense it makes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

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Who will be the first people to get they swerve on in space?

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Because of our nature, it is so difficult to live anywhere else... But, who knows, maybe one day we'll find some place where we can live and go there...

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I think we might relocate, but it won't be a planned thing that we work for and achieve in the end. It will be a byproduct of something other, something that we can't iven imagine yet.
I can compare it with videophones. When I was young there were fiction movies and books where actors used videophones, and we all thought that engineers will invent a videophone earlier or later and how it will be related to the voice phone etc. Instead of this we got internet, we got skype, and oh yes, by the way we can also use internet and skype as a videophone. And it looks like there's nothing special in this and it is affordable for anyone.

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No so that humans can bomb other humans.

Problem with Star Trek fans is their in ability to think logically.

The only contact you're ever going to make with an alien will be Mexican and you're never going to fly in outer space or live on another planet. But there's good odds that some patriotic creep is using a satellite listen in on your phone conversations and very soon there's going to be a damn heavily armed police drone pulling you over on the highway asking to see your license. And all of this enslaving technological shit is being made possible by organizations like NASA.

OK??? Or do you need William Shatner to explain this?

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