Question about 4K videos

[RR Productions]

Hello, I'm content producer and several of my clients and some newest who are contacted with me recently, are asking me about do the shoots with the fucking 4K.

My question is, really there are so many users having screens on their computers or laptops that fully capture this format? and besides today that everybody is looking porn from their mobile devices??

except NaughtyAmerica who frequently update with 4K videos, other big brands do not. (Bangbros, Brazzers and all Mingueek sites, etc...)

and they are precisely average companies who are asking their producers for do the scenes in 4K. Why?

if I or some of my cameramans invest in a good 4K camera we need to shoot a whole year to amortize the video camera, or at least try to do about 30-40 shoots and make not less than 300 euros of profit per shoot.

and then maybe the 5K format appear and they ask me for do the shoots in 5K camera LOL

[pminus]

Maybe they just want to get the most "BANG" for their buck. No pun intended!

[CurrentlySober]

Its future proofing.

[The Porn Nerd]

Well charge them more for the 4K shoot. Tell them it's on a scale: SD, HD, UHD.

Good luck!

[pornguy]

You have to slim them donwn once shot or there are few pcs that can run them and the BW will kill them.

[KickAssJesse]

Originally Posted by RR Productions

Hello, I'm content producer and several of my clients and some newest who are contacted with me recently, are asking me about do the shoots with the fucking 4K.

My question is, really there are so many users having screens on their computers or laptops that fully capture this format? and besides today that everybody is looking porn from their mobile devices??

except NaughtyAmerica who frequently update with 4K videos, other big brands do not. (Bangbros, Brazzers and all Mingueek sites, etc...)

and they are precisely average companies who are asking their producers for do the scenes in 4K. Why?

if I or some of my cameramans invest in a good 4K camera we need to shoot a whole year to amortize the video camera, or at least try to do about 30-40 shoots and make not less than 300 euros of profit per shoot.

and then maybe the 5K format appear and they ask me for do the shoots in 5K camera LOL

Offering the best resolution for their product has always been the norm. 4K will soon be the new standard and you'll have to adapt to keep customers happy.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Well charge them more for the 4K shoot. Tell them it's on a scale: SD, HD, UHD.

Good luck!

Agree with this. Charge 'em more

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Its future proofing.

This is the answer!

Shoot at the bleeding edge because the content can always be rendered down to any format you wish. You can always do that but you can NOT increase.

You need to start with the most data possible.

Years from now the 4K will still be usable where as the standard def and even HD will be antiquated.

[MaDalton]

We just started with 4k

[RR Productions]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Well charge them more for the 4K shoot. Tell them it's on a scale: SD, HD, UHD.

Good luck!

Of course I know, and companies should know that If I have to shoot in 4K I have to charge some plus of 100-150? compared to previous budgets, otherwise I have to be a lot of time working just to pay the camera, and if I hire any cameraman who has bought the camera also he will want a plus of 100? at least.

[RR Productions]

Originally Posted by KickAssJesse

Offering the best resolution for their product has always been the norm. 4K will soon be the new standard and you'll have to adapt to keep customers happy.

years ago also 3D had to be the standard and finally it was a bluffff...... Ok, now oculus? we'll see what lasts...

[RR Productions]

just I'm curious about how many users right now really are able to watch porn in 4K...

in recent months I have received requests to produce contents from several companies because they like my work and are interested in some new spanish faces, but fuck, they ask me to shoot in 4K, and they are small companies even newcomers...

I'm based in Barcelona and in this place there are several well-known brands producing, like Teamskeet, Bangbros, Mofos, Brazzers, Evil Angel, Sex-art, etc, etc... and my workmates (cameramans, photographers, etc.) are working for all them and don't shoot in 4K, so don't have this kind of camera. Really so important?

also big european studios like DDF, 21sextury, Legalporno, etc... don't shoot in 4K, but hey! the crappy Woodman scenes in cheap rooms yes, are shooted in 4K and likes to brag about it!

By that I mean that right now (I think), it's more a brand strategy than a real need for users, and small companies (and some big like Naughtyamerica) are intended to highlight on the rest announcing their videos in 4K when very few users actually have their screens adapted to this format.

let's be honest, the users in a very high percentage want to enjoy porn from the privacy of their mobiles or laptops and the current resolution is more than enough for their masturbations.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by RR Productions

just I'm curious about how many users right now really are able to watch porn in 4K...

in recent months I have received requests to produce contents from several companies because they like my work and are interested in some new spanish faces, but fuck, they ask me to shoot in 4K, and they are small companies even newcomers...

I'm based in Barcelona and in this place there are several well-known brands producing, like Teamskeet, Bangbros, Mofos, Brazzers, Evil Angel, Sex-art, etc, etc... and my workmates (cameramans, photographers, etc.) are working for all them and don't shoot in 4K, so don't have this kind of camera. Really so important?

also big european studios like DDF, 21sextury, Legalporno, etc... don't shoot in 4K, but hey! the crappy Woodman scenes in cheap rooms yes, are shooted in 4K and likes to brag about it!

By that I mean that right now (I think), it's more a brand strategy than a real need for users, and small companies (and some big like Naughtyamerica) are intended to highlight on the rest announcing their videos in 4K when very few users actually have their screens adapted to this format.

let's be honest, the users in a very high percentage want to enjoy porn from the privacy of their mobiles or laptops and the current resolution is more than enough for their masturbations.

Very true indeed. We have 4k content on some of our high end sites. Does nothing for sales whatsoever.

What's the going rate in Barcelona for a b/g shoot these days? Cheaper than CZ?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

We just started with 4k

How's it going, have sales improved? Do you prefer the editing & the final footage?

[DAMNMAN]

I'm shooting everything in 4K and I don't charge any more for it than 1080P. Cost of doing business.
You also have to spend a few Gs on a new editing machine. BTW

[DAMNMAN]

I'm shooting everything in 4K and I don't charge any more for it than 1080P. Cost of doing business.
You also have to spend a few Gs on a new editing machine. BTW

[pminus]

Originally Posted by DAMNMAN

I'm shooting everything in 4K and I don't charge any more for it than 1080P. Cost of doing business.
You also have to spend a few Gs on a new editing machine. BTW

Great signature and WTF, Earthlink? OMA!!!

[SmutHammer]

I'm looking into buying a new laptop once windows 10 comes out. one feature that it absolutely has to have is a 4k touch screen. I have seen that 4k is becoming pretty norm as far as laptops. I'm guessing it won't be long before most people have 4K.
I'm looking into purchasing a 4k camera for new shoots and all of my new sites will offer 4k, I doubt it will be 100 mbs/sec after render.

[RR Productions]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Very true indeed. We have 4k content on some of our high end sites. Does nothing for sales whatsoever.

So I'm right, users value the content, not if it's in 4K...

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

What's the going rate in Barcelona for a b/g shoot these days? Cheaper than CZ?

Always it was cheaper than Cz, especially when shooting with new girls, but now there really are some very good girls and we are paying them the same european standard rates, the good thing is that here we don't pay agency fees because we do the agreements directly with girls. When I come to Cz or Hungary or bring girls from other countries to Barcelona it's better do it with agent of course.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by RR Productions

So I'm right, users value the content, not if it's in 4K...

Always it was cheaper than Cz, especially when shooting with new girls, but now there really are some very good girls and we are paying them the same european standard rates, the good thing is that here we don't pay agency fees because we do the agreements directly with girls. When I come to Cz or Hungary or bring girls from other countries to Barcelona it's better do it with agent of course.

Pushing the 4k angle does make a difference if done right

I agree that most don't have the tools to watch it properly though but that's a matter of time imo.

[Cash4Members]

4k is the future , but as you just said , you should charge more for your content , otherwise you're just amortizing your camera...a good 4k cost a lot , but i think it is a good investment

[_Richard_]

i don't think many are able to even view it.. and isn't 8k coming up soon?

edit: yea 8k and 10k

[RR Productions]

Originally Posted by Cash4Members

4k is the future , but as you just said , you should charge more for your content , otherwise you're just amortizing your camera...a good 4k cost a lot , but i think it is a good investment

I remember years ago 3D also had to be the future and some companies shoot in this format but it really did not work, and the reality is that it keeps shooting as usual. So I prefer to be cautious and looking what are doing big companies like Bangbros, Brazzers ... and now they are not updating and shooting 4K...

[CurrentlySober]

4K is here to stay. For what its worth, and I'm not trying to 'Brag' I have a 4K UHD TV already. Admittedly theres not much content yet, and I'm hardly likely to watch porn on it - Yet I still have it simply cause, to me, its '*future proofing'

*= Yes I know the future proofing of a current 4K TV is debatable (Formats etc) but the point is I still have one - & if I have one - Many others must too...

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

How's it going, have sales improved? Do you prefer the editing & the final footage?

we have clients that ask for it - it is their part to sell it

Sony A7s with Atomos Shogun

[jsmih]

The camera costs are down pretty low (Lumix FZ1000 for $900) so why wouldn't you future proof your shoot? Also gives you the option of good quality 8 MP screen grabs. Only real downside is the larger files as you can always just render down to HD. Plus, HD from 4K tends to look very good.

[The Porn Nerd]

The thing I HATE about 4k is the extreme aspect ratio, or black lines. Often you will see a close-up of a girl's head on the extreme left of the frame then acres of negative space to the right (like the wallpaper or something). It's a problem with 16.9 anyway but just seems more annoying in 4k. I hate it when the shooter has to tilt his camera to get a full body shot. LOL Often you can only get someone's eyes in a close-up, etc etc. Awesome for home theater systems, of course.

I've yet to see a porn vid in 4k that blew me away and made me think the scene wouldn't have been just as good in HD or even SD. I don't need to count the zits on a pornstar's ass in stunning UHD.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

....

I've yet to see a porn vid in 4k that blew me away and made me think the scene wouldn't have been just as good in HD or even SD. I don't need to count the zits on a pornstar's ass in stunning UHD.

That's the same people said about porn when HD came up. Too much details bs, no one can watch it blablabla

Now look at paysites, anyone not shooting HD is as good as a has been. Members almost demand HD quality content (depending on niche a bit of course).

4k will be as normal in a few as HD is right now.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Roald

That's the same people said about porn when HD came up. Too much details bs, no one can watch it blablabla

Now look at paysites, anyone not shooting HD is as good as a has been. Members almost demand HD quality content (depending on niche a bit of course).

4k will be as normal in a few as HD is right now.

I totally agree. And I for one was one of the models saying not to go HD because I didn't want the close up detail, any lump or bump could be seen, but now we film in HD.

Looking into 4k more, are simple gopro 4k's going to do the job as well as a 10 grand Sony?

[jsmih]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Looking into 4k more, are simple gopro 4k's going to do the job as well as a 10 grand Sony?

I'd say no, unless GoPro comes out with something that either has a zoom or isn't a super wide angle.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

I totally agree. And I for one was one of the models saying not to go HD because I didn't want the close up detail, any lump or bump could be seen, but now we film in HD.

Looking into 4k more, are simple gopro 4k's going to do the job as well as a 10 grand Sony?

Sony a7s can be had for less than $2500.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Sony a7s can be had for less than $2500.

see setup above - without 4k recorder you won't get a 4k video out of the A7s. and from the 2 currently available the Shogun is the cheaper one for about $2000

If you don't need 422, the GH4 is the better choice, it can record 4k internally. The Sony cant.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

see setup above - without 4k recorder you won't get a 4k video out of the A7s. and from the 2 currently available the Shogun is the cheaper one for about $2000

If you don't need 422, the GH4 is the better choice, it can record 4k internally. The Sony cant.

Still a LOT less than $10k

[SplatterMaster]

Anyone looking at the new Blackmagic mini? You can get 4K with an EF mount for $2999

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/pro...kmagicursamini

Oh and the new Sony's are looking good

Sony a7R II Alpha Mirrorless Digital Camera (a7RII Camera Body) B&H

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

Anyone looking at the new Blackmagic mini? You can get 4K with an EF mount for $2999

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/pro...kmagicursamini

I am looking to upgrade to a 4k camera from my 2 Sony FS100s. My partner has a BMC and we both have the Pocket model. The Ursa Mini is what I think I will be going with next.

[SplatterMaster]

Originally Posted by candyflip

I am looking to upgrade to a 4k camera from my 2 Sony FS100s. My partner has a BMC and we both have the Pocket model. The Ursa Mini is what I think I will be going with next.

Cool. It looks like a nice camera for the price.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

Cool. It looks like a nice camera for the price.

I wanted the Ursa, but they announced the mini before the Ursa was even widely available.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Roald

That's the same people said about porn when HD came up. Too much details bs, no one can watch it blablabla

Now look at paysites, anyone not shooting HD is as good as a has been. Members almost demand HD quality content (depending on niche a bit of course).

4k will be as normal in a few as HD is right now.

Maybe but I still refuse to give up my VHS tapes. :D

[RR Productions]

Originally Posted by Roald

That's the same people said about porn when HD came up. Too much details bs, no one can watch it blablabla

Now look at paysites, anyone not shooting HD is as good as a has been. Members almost demand HD quality content (depending on niche a bit of course).

4k will be as normal in a few as HD is right now.

I think 4K "maybe" will be normal but not in few time, just a few companies are testing updating some 4K videos, have a look the majority of companies, and above all the big brands, any of them are updating with a single 4K video.

[The Porn Nerd]

So again I ask: is 4k making anyone MORE SALES?
No it is not.
No one says "Aw fuck, I woud've joined that site if only it had 4K...."
The ROI is not there with 4K. Yet.

(Bookmark this thread and bump it in 2020.)

[JayAllan]

First off

The OP states a list of several companies that don't shoot 4K. That is incorrect as I shoot for a few on that list and we shoot 4k for them.

All content will be viewed on 4k or higher monitors by the majority of consumers. That is a fact and if you disagree that's fine but you are simply not informed.

What the consumer "needs" and what they will get from TV and monitor manufacturers is 2 different things.

Footage shot in 4k when downscaled looks better than native 1080p footage.

4k cameras and storage is inexpensive at the consumer am-pro market level.

If one is shooting crap it will look even more crappy in 4k.

[JayAllan]

I could go with either the URSA or the URSA mini but having ND built in would be sweet.

Their 4.6k chip looks very interesting! Word is still out on low light native ISO however which is what has stopped me from buying any BM Design Cameras so far.

Originally Posted by candyflip

I wanted the Ursa, but they announced the mini before the Ursa was even widely available.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by RR Productions

Hello, I'm content producer and several of my clients and some newest who are contacted with me recently, are asking me about do the shoots with the fucking 4K.

My question is, really there are so many users having screens on their computers or laptops that fully capture this format? and besides today that everybody is looking porn from their mobile devices??

except NaughtyAmerica who frequently update with 4K videos, other big brands do not. (Bangbros, Brazzers and all Mingueek sites, etc...)

and they are precisely average companies who are asking their producers for do the scenes in 4K. Why?

if I or some of my cameramans invest in a good 4K camera we need to shoot a whole year to amortize the video camera, or at least try to do about 30-40 shoots and make not less than 300 euros of profit per shoot.

and then maybe the 5K format appear and they ask me for do the shoots in 5K camera LOL

Users of 4k will be high end users at this point. Demographic to be high paying customers. Charge for it. give them what they want and transcode to lower formats for everyone else.
It will change in the future but make more for the extra you do now.
It may very well mean higher speed editor equipment. 4K is huge in size and not many can digest that in short order.
Lots a luck.
You can't notice the difference between 3k and 5k on a 2d screen under 30".

[jsmih]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

It may very well mean higher speed editor equipment. 4K is huge in size and not many can digest that in short order.

Some pretty inexpensive editors can handle 4k video, although they can only output to HD. Sony Vegas Movie Studio Plantinum ($79) is one. This lets you shoot in 4k for the future, but pretty easily work in HD. I'm not sure, but most likely the edit file could be opened by their higher end product that does 4k (Vegas Pro, $399) if you later want to render to 4k.

[The Porn Nerd]

So bottom line is content producers are shooting in 4K to 'future proof' their content (cover their ass) but no paysite owners have chimed in saying they make more money or more sales with 4k over traditional HD. Got it.

OK so the decision is easy: when I start MAKING MONEY from 4K I will shoot more in 4K. Til then? Suck it. LOL

[JayAllan]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

So bottom line is content producers are shooting in 4K to 'future proof' their content (cover their ass) but no paysite owners have chimed in saying they make more money or more sales with 4k over traditional HD. Got it.

OK so the decision is easy: when I start MAKING MONEY from 4K I will shoot more in 4K. Til then? Suck it. LOL

Yes! Do that

I wish all my competitors agreed with you

[sinclair]

I've been shooting 4k since July of last year, once I got my hands on a couple of Panny GH4's. Full upgrade to my editing as well. At the time I offered 4K to the handful of clients that were buying from indie shooters and a small price increase. None wanted to pay for it, in fact most around that time asked for a decrease in cost.

On the flip side, corporate leads...small businesses and agency's all started to look for 4K and with the budget and more work. That was the end of me shooting for adult other than for my own projects.

Plenty of inexpensive 4k options on the market these days, no reason for anyone not to make the leap even for hotel room POV shooters.

[DAMNMAN]

Originally Posted by pminus

Great signature and WTF, Earthlink? OMA!!!

Email is 20 years old and still using it. Most had AOL at the time, I had earthlink.

[DAMNMAN]

Originally Posted by pminus

Great signature and WTF, Earthlink? OMA!!!

Thanks about the sig. I think it makes people think who are already reasonable. Nothing you can say or do affects the god fearing sheeple.

[DAMNMAN]

Originally Posted by Roald

That's the same people said about porn when HD came up. Too much details bs, no one can watch it blablabla

Now look at paysites, anyone not shooting HD is as good as a has been. Members almost demand HD quality content (depending on niche a bit of course).

4k will be as normal in a few as HD is right now.

Exactly!!!!!

[brandonstills]

My phone (Note 4) has a resolution of 2560x1440.

I'm currently on the iMac 5k and using a 39" 4k monitor as a secondary display.

A year from now, people won't even be having this debate. It will be an obvious yes.